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Yes. But because the helicopter group shuttles VIPs around like possibly senators too…. Maybe it’s a message to the senators doing the confirmation hearings?
Lots of people don’t want these selections confirmed.
Not true. It is a perfect cover. We don’t know. But it is feasible that a person was targeted in this way, and we have decades of experience to show that the Deep State considers We The People to be expendable and collateral damage
And we'll never know either way I would presume. Perhaps it was a perfect storm of incompetence, or maybe it was a single individual such as a pilot even. Very strange occurrence in that airspace though.
Agree. Maybe to trigger folks about ‘Trumps unsafe cuts & policies’. You do wonder though whether the fact that it was russian citizens on the plane was deliberate or unfortunate.
I think the current news coverage and Trump attacks would beg to differ. Also, if this were a movie I might think this is foreshadowing and narrative building. POTUS helicopter rammed by "training mission...aw shucks, ya know this isn't the first time...that's a very dangerous airspace...happens all the time...nothing to see here...etc"
Absolutely. There have been several close calls in the last few years and it was only a matter of time until something like this happen, sadly. DEI is getting people killed.
Disgusting comment. How about the part where Trump fired the head of the FAA on the 20th and never replaced him? And then he offered buy outs of gov positions and the control center had someone doing the job of 2 people.
We saw it on roof cam footage from the Kennedy Center. The lights on both aircraft were shining brightly.
The Sikorsky flew straight into the plane and cut it in half…directly over the half-frozen Potomac (8 minutes before hypothermia would set in).
There was ZERO attempt at evasive maneuvers from the Black Hawk.
This looks EXACTLY like an act of domestic terrorism from within OUR OWN MILITARY.
What happened the day before? Trump signed an Executive Order removing so-called transgender individuals from the military and from the reserves. Clean sweep.
The question must be asked: Was this tranny SABOTAGE as an act of REVENGE⁉️⁉️😡
Not implausible since they think the monsters in their head will go away when they can live out their demented imaginations in the real world. What if I "identified as an F-16 fighter pilot?" Should DEI accommodate that delusion for me?
We have a society of blamers who think someone owes them something. Anger and retaliation are their go-to responses when they don't get their way.
New video shows the helicopter hovered in place u til the aircraft was overhead, timed enough to raise up into the craft. Look intentional. We're there really soldiers in it? Could it have been remote controlled?
I wouldn't be surprised if they ignored the altitude restrictions (maximum of 200 feet MSL) in the area around DCA, so they could better see the surrounding area. Considering they collided at 400 to 500 feet, they probably lost the airplane in ground lights, something else that wouldn't have happened if they were 200 feet BELOW that airplane and looking UP at it.
This happened some years ago with a female fighter pilot. They wanted the first female fighter pilot, so they chose this particular individual, who wasn't capable, and she ended up crashing.
I hardly think this would relate to trans in terms of gender, as that is merely a social engineering aspect of subverting our culture/society. If there is footage that demonstrates what you have said here someone must have ordered and orchestrated this and I would hardly think the 3 on board were kamikaze pilots but that the chopper was taken over remotely. Just part of the long ongoing treasonous efforts, IF this played out as you state with no evasive maneuvers.
Not sure why that would not be possible with regard to the level of technology we are living within, unless it would be specific to a helicopter. At the time of 9/11 this was known to be possible with commercial aircraft, though I don't believe for a second that commercial jets flew into any of the buildings. Also, what is referred to as the deep state obviously is entrenched in the military and has been for many many decades-- it would have to be. And they ARE the prime enemies of the U.S. No 'foreign' enemies necessary, and how could they do it unless given secrets by traitors here?
That's hilarious. We (the army) don't have fly-by-wire helicopters that can be taken over remotely. And if that were to happen, you think the crew would just ride along happily, to just see what's going to happen? No crew in their right mind would get on an aircraft that they didn't control, 100%. Not going to happen. Take your tinfoil hat off, please.
So did you look at the post right above your comment with a link to video that contradicts your statement? That "tinfoil hat" comment is a little dated don't you think? And since remote control planes have been around for more than a couple of decades I find your comment ludicrous. Of course, those in the chopper never would have thought they wouldn't have 100% control.
You don't think they'd declare an emergency when they figured out they didn't have control? I find your comment ludicrous... You act like pilots flying a helicopter are just along for the ride and whatever happens, happens. Pretty stupid idea. Then, the idea that, somehow, actuators were installed to make control inputs that nobody knows about? There are so many levels of stupidity to "taking control of a helicopter" that's not fly-by-wire... nobody's going to fly something like that. Stop with the conspiracy theories.
Yes, there are UAV helicopters. But they're UAVs. They're not standard UH-60 helicopters that are modified to be remotely piloted, then an aircrew gets into, unknowingly, and someone else "remotely takes over". It would take a whole lot of modifications to make a standard UH-60 remotely controlled, and in the preflight, all of that comes to light, and nobody would fly it.
Did you see the video that shows it's possible or not? It's specific to the Black Hawk... already done. I'm not saying that's definitely what took place, but there has to be some explanation for that chopper not make some sort of evasive maneuver. I suppose your theory is they were kamakaze pilots or apparently couldn't control the helicopter or all of them just weren't paying attention? I'm sure we'll never get the truth why they failed to evade the crash so all that's left is speculation.
Yeah, I saw the video. It's experimental. It's for WILLFUL operation by a crew that KNOWS the aircraft will operate autonomously. And it's not in production or use. It's in TESTING. And I don't know of a single pilot that would get into an aircraft that could have control stolen from them. Crazy talk...
Whatever your wild ideas of "kamakaze pilots"... stop with your projecting. My theory is that they got distracted and let their altitude increase. They ended up being at the same altitude as the airplane and couldn't see it because of the city lights. No wild, insane conspiracy theories like you're dreaming up.
They probably didn't take evasive action because they never actually identified the airplane they were supposed to see. Hopefully, we'll find out from the voice recorder from the Blackhawk. I'm sure you still won't believe it, though...
Plausible. And stir Russia up at the same time. And make it look like the govt is not in control. I’d guess Musk will have the diagnostics to figure it out.
Sure are a lot of assumptions coming from you... if you can't see the airplane because of ground lights (yes, they blend together), and they think they see the airplane ATC is talking about, why would they take evasive action? Until you've been there and lose an airplane in ground lights, please refrain from making thoughtless, idiotic comments.
This stinks to high heaven. Who was on that plane? A whistleblower? Blackhawk helos are capable of remote controlled flight. Simple matter to take control over it, mute the pilot's mic and intercept the jet at the perfect place and time. This was a hit.
I’ve heard that there were two Russian skaters - their best - on that plane. Trying to make Trump and our military look bad? The other ideas are good, too, but this might be international as well.
it's a clear night. the video shows the helicopter flying directly into the flight path of the jet?? Why no evasive maneuvers? They were at the same altitude so visual contact seems highly probable
It's extremely easy to not see an airplane at the same altitude in an area as brightly lit up as DC. Unless you've actually been in the situation, you won't understand. But, you'll still make comments...
Some of the discussion claimed the plane was going 150 mph. So I could see that the helicopter might not have seen the plane. But the helicopter should not have been at the same altitude, air traffic control should have warned the aircraft much earlier than 30 seconds to impact.
Helicopter pilot not qualified to pilot a tricycle on a playground. Was he or she on drugs or legally blind? And whoever authorized this flight to go thru airlines flight path and gave authority for this pilot to even fly period should be court martialed and imprisoned for 30 years.
You seem to know a lot about what happened... but you actually have no idea how hard it is to spot an aircraft at night at the same altitude, especially in brightly lit city areas. And you have no idea of the control measures in place to keep these two aircraft separated, and to keep this from happening. But you're ready to pass judgement in a situation you know nothing about...
They couldn't see a illuminated airliner in front of them? I live right next to a heliport in a brilliantly lit city. I watch the helicopter take off and land every day, and quite often at night. And in the middle of the night. They maneuver quite well around all kinds of structures and obstacles. The name is "Native Air" in Deming NM
It's extremely easy to lose an airplane in ground lights when a city is lit up as much as DC. You watch helicopters take off and land? Congratulations. You do it from the GROUND, right? Try it from the same altitude with a very brightly lit city behind them. Very easy for them to blend in, especially if they're on a converging course. So, did you happen to look up how they ACTUALLY deconflict the aircraft in that area? Hint: The Blackhawk is supposed to be at a MAXIMUM of 200 feet MSL on his route. The airplane, in a normal landing procedure, will be several hundred feet above that while passing over that route. With the altitude deconfliction, the airplane would likely be very visible because the helicopter is below it, looking UP. As it happened, they were at the same altitude, and the helicopter crew likely couldn't see the airplane or thought ATC was talking about the other airplane that they probably could see.
Unless you've been IN THAT SITUATION, don't assume it's just so easy like it is on the ground.
See my above posting, There's also the air traffic control that only radio warned 30 seconds before impact. That alone caused the disaster. If the helicopter pilot and the flight path he had put him at the same altitude as the airliner, that alone is entirely wrong, either the helicopter pilot or who directed his flight path are incompetent to the max. Also, you're saying that the airplane would be more visible if it were several hundred feet above the helicopter, but when both aircraft were at the same altitude the helicopter couldn't see the plane? You know that makes no sense. My interest in this disaster concerns what went wrong and how it should never happen again.
"On the face of it, it strikes me as very imprudent to conduct training flights at night that cross the final approach to Reagan D.C. To me, the word “training” suggests a potential for making errors that an instructor is called upon to correct."
There is never any need to have military aircraft on the flight path of commercial aircraft.
So, when are they supposed to conduct night training for routes they'll fly AT NIGHT? "There is never any need to have military aircraft on the flight path of commercial aircraft." Do you even know what that means? Such a blanket statement... Didn't think so. The local procedures put that helicopter well below the flight path of the landing airplane. Do a little research, and what I just said will make some sense to you. Figure out how to look at a situation with an open mind, get some correct, logical information, and make a rational decision, rather than just making silly blanket statements.
Do you know what you're saying? Realist is 100% correct, there should under no circumstances be military aircraft in the flight path of air travel. That means the same altitude.
I guess I'll have to say it again, then. The helicopter was supposed to be BELOW the commercial traffic, not at the same altitude. He's also supposed to be laterally separated by ATC. There likely have been numerous altitude deviations in the past that haven't gotten violations. That's a problem. Start violating pilots when they deviate, and they'll stop. Commanders hate having to explain their pilots' actions to the FAA guys. If the helicopter had been at 200 feet or below, as required on the VFR charts, there would have been no collision.
Sorry for hurting your feeling. Obviously stating common sense struck a nerve.
More likely about treasonous leaders in the military, and perhaps a need to sacrifice someone either in the chopper or the plane. Clearly not accidental based on what people are saying about the footage. As someone else pointed out these helicopters can be flied remotely.
But, as we all can clearly see, with the United States Corporation's military.....
they are BEYOND INCOMPETENT!
We see this at ANY airport, too.......with the mass hiring of Wokies/DEI......UNQUALIFIED individuals that have no business having the jobs that they do.
They aren't qualified to CLEAN TOILETS!!
And this goes for ALL aspects of our Infrastructure......
Designing/Building......buildings, bridges, and so on.
I do NOT trust the 'new wave' of these individuals, AT ALL!!!
When that new bridge, in Baltimore, is built......wonder how long it will take before IT FAILS?!?!?! I, for one, would NEVER drive over that new bridge, after it's re-built!! LOL
Those who have never seen the movie, 'IDIOCRACY', had better watch it!
I was merely following your train of thought and speculating. I know nothing of helicopters.
However, I am deeply concerned about the hysteria regarding AI --its inaccurate answers, puerile analysis, high energy resources use and depletion, and its debilitating effect on the IQ. Apply that to driving or flying -- as a substitute, not an assistant -- and neither transportation nor society will improve. Tangentially, I might add that I don't want incompetents forcing us all into algorithmic medicine, either -- Oracle's Larry Ellison is a genius at databases, not cancer or mRNA technology. Sorry this is off-topic.
I agree. The AI hype is way overstated. While it is a great tool for very complex situations, it is only a tool and never a substitute for human intelligence.
Sorry, spewing CIA's favorite 'Conspiracy Theories' phrase, no longer works!!
I just makes YOU look STUPID!
The ACTUAL RECORDED FLIGHT PATHS for both aircrafts has BEEN SHOWN.
ANY member of the PUBLIC can go to several aviation websites, that SHOW, in REAL TIME, ALL AIR TRAFFIC.
The FlightAware (I believe that it was) FLIGHT TRACKING website, released the screen shot of the flight paths.
THE PLANE was on it's normal, steady landing path......when THE HELO CHANGED IT'S COURSE, and 'TURNED RIGHT', which put IT on the path to COLLIDE WITH THE AIRPLANE. If The HELO did NOT 'turn right', IT WOULD HAVE MISSED THE PLANE!
GOT IT???
Or is your IQ SO LOW......that your shit-for-brains cannot logically LOOK AT FLIGHT PATHS??????????
So, what altitude was the Blackhawk SUPPOSED to be at for that section on their route? There's a specific number... And what altitude was he ACTUALLY at? Answer that, then YOU can go back to huffing whatever you huff...
You do understand that airplanes can go above and below others, right? Happens all the time. That's the trick to getting DC air routes to work...
IMO, it's not too bright to be doing "training missions" at night around an airport where big jet airliners are taking off and landing every few seconds.
Also, why do so many government VIPs HAVE to be ferried about on luxury/fancy helicopters? Let them drive a car like the rest of us. Those super-important meetings they are going to aren't really that important.
Park the taxi-cab helicopters and save the taxpayers a little money ... which we can spend on new mRNA vaccines. Sigh.
There are plenty of procedures in place that, if they had followed them, this would have never happened. It has nothing to do with 'training' missions. That's simply a label put on missions that aren't external support or maintenance test flights. Take the three most experienced pilots and crew in the army, put them in an aircraft to do traffic patterns, and it's training. Nothing special or sinister about training missions; they have to be done to maintain currency and proficiency.
Military helicopter pilots are so strict about rules and procedures and that is what makes it hard for me to understand. The CO of the unit must be hurting.
It is beyond tragic for everyone involved. I pray for all the loved ones and souls lost. Like you, many questions immediately came to mind. Very odd place to practice at the time of night when the airport is still quite busy and receiving many incoming and even outgoing flights. And is it common to suddenly switch landing fields right as descent has already begun? Tragic and heartbreaking.
They didn't switch fields. They changed runways. Minor heading change from runway 1 to runway 33, so 40 degrees. The airline crew checked it out and accepted it, and had plenty of time. And 'practice', if you're referring to the training flight, a local orientation is absolutely required in that area so they become familiar with the VFR routes. This really highlights the importance of complying with ALL aspects of the routing. The procedures are good. The helicopter was higher than it should have been in that area. This is THE reason that the altitude through that entire area is a MAX of 200 feet MSL.
Yes. Considerably higher than it should have been.
I gather that the descending passenger flight was at 490 (feet?) while the helicopter was ascending ( at an unusually fast speed) way too high - well above even 300 (feet?).
One might wonder, “Who was on that regional jet that the deep state wanted dead?”
Always the first question that comes to my mind too.
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I have read that tentatively it was primarily an ice skating team and their families. Poor Kansas
Yes. But because the helicopter group shuttles VIPs around like possibly senators too…. Maybe it’s a message to the senators doing the confirmation hearings?
Lots of people don’t want these selections confirmed.
Or dei hire as training pilot.
Or vaxxed?
My thoughts exactly since they are so willing to kill many to kill one.
One might wonder, "Was there anyone on the Black Hawk, or was it remote controlled?"
"One might wonder, “Who was on that regional jet that the deep state wanted dead?”
I knew there would be conspiracy theories galore. Sometimes accidents happen.
A bunch of Russian skaters!
Not true. It is a perfect cover. We don’t know. But it is feasible that a person was targeted in this way, and we have decades of experience to show that the Deep State considers We The People to be expendable and collateral damage
And we'll never know either way I would presume. Perhaps it was a perfect storm of incompetence, or maybe it was a single individual such as a pilot even. Very strange occurrence in that airspace though.
Agree. Maybe to trigger folks about ‘Trumps unsafe cuts & policies’. You do wonder though whether the fact that it was russian citizens on the plane was deliberate or unfortunate.
Give it a rest.
But not as spectacular and newsworthy.
Without taking credit for it that wouldn’t matter.
I think the current news coverage and Trump attacks would beg to differ. Also, if this were a movie I might think this is foreshadowing and narrative building. POTUS helicopter rammed by "training mission...aw shucks, ya know this isn't the first time...that's a very dangerous airspace...happens all the time...nothing to see here...etc"
So...maybe simply a random act of total incompetence - or of ... ?
The incompetence was the idiot who built a military base close to a commercial airport.
There is no reason to have military aircraft in commercial flights' airspace.
Another "training exercise" from the Department of Homeland Defense that led to unnecessary deaths and life-long trauma for survivors.
Yeah, but it's not as satisfying. I'm thinking of Paul Wellstone and his family. They couldn't get him alone, so they took out the entire family.
Not 60 figure skaters?
Unthinkable incompetence! Why do I suspect that DEI played a role in this incident?
That was my first thought as well. 😥
Absolutely. There have been several close calls in the last few years and it was only a matter of time until something like this happen, sadly. DEI is getting people killed.
Amen, Richard.
Bingo 🎯
Disgusting comment. How about the part where Trump fired the head of the FAA on the 20th and never replaced him? And then he offered buy outs of gov positions and the control center had someone doing the job of 2 people.
We saw it on roof cam footage from the Kennedy Center. The lights on both aircraft were shining brightly.
The Sikorsky flew straight into the plane and cut it in half…directly over the half-frozen Potomac (8 minutes before hypothermia would set in).
There was ZERO attempt at evasive maneuvers from the Black Hawk.
This looks EXACTLY like an act of domestic terrorism from within OUR OWN MILITARY.
What happened the day before? Trump signed an Executive Order removing so-called transgender individuals from the military and from the reserves. Clean sweep.
The question must be asked: Was this tranny SABOTAGE as an act of REVENGE⁉️⁉️😡
Not implausible since they think the monsters in their head will go away when they can live out their demented imaginations in the real world. What if I "identified as an F-16 fighter pilot?" Should DEI accommodate that delusion for me?
We have a society of blamers who think someone owes them something. Anger and retaliation are their go-to responses when they don't get their way.
And violence. At the end of the day, leftists are ALWAYS violent.
If the Justice system fails, sometimes The People need to take matters into their own hands.
I'm thinking, of course, about the ongoing mRNA murder of innocents.
I wouldn't be surprised if we learn they were "training" a pilot who should never have become a pilot in the first place.
(Or, we'll never learn that. They'll cover up the fact the pilot wasn't really qualified to pilot such a potentially dangerous aircraft).
New video shows the helicopter hovered in place u til the aircraft was overhead, timed enough to raise up into the craft. Look intentional. We're there really soldiers in it? Could it have been remote controlled?
I wouldn't be surprised if they ignored the altitude restrictions (maximum of 200 feet MSL) in the area around DCA, so they could better see the surrounding area. Considering they collided at 400 to 500 feet, they probably lost the airplane in ground lights, something else that wouldn't have happened if they were 200 feet BELOW that airplane and looking UP at it.
This happened some years ago with a female fighter pilot. They wanted the first female fighter pilot, so they chose this particular individual, who wasn't capable, and she ended up crashing.
Yes. But I mentioned this above…
Because the helicopter group shuttles VIPs around like possibly senators too…. Maybe it’s a message to the senators doing the confirmation hearings?
Lots of people don’t want these selections confirmed. Just another idea.
I hardly think this would relate to trans in terms of gender, as that is merely a social engineering aspect of subverting our culture/society. If there is footage that demonstrates what you have said here someone must have ordered and orchestrated this and I would hardly think the 3 on board were kamikaze pilots but that the chopper was taken over remotely. Just part of the long ongoing treasonous efforts, IF this played out as you state with no evasive maneuvers.
...chopper was taken over remotely.
Is that possible? After all, if the deep state could do that, so could the enemies of the US.
Edit- of course the deep state are also enemies of the US.
Not sure why that would not be possible with regard to the level of technology we are living within, unless it would be specific to a helicopter. At the time of 9/11 this was known to be possible with commercial aircraft, though I don't believe for a second that commercial jets flew into any of the buildings. Also, what is referred to as the deep state obviously is entrenched in the military and has been for many many decades-- it would have to be. And they ARE the prime enemies of the U.S. No 'foreign' enemies necessary, and how could they do it unless given secrets by traitors here?
not possible
Long article, but how do you answer to the video within this post that shows exactly that for a Black Hawk? https://forbiddennews.substack.com/p/revelation-of-the-method-the-deep?r=2iyu62&triedRedirect=true
That's hilarious. We (the army) don't have fly-by-wire helicopters that can be taken over remotely. And if that were to happen, you think the crew would just ride along happily, to just see what's going to happen? No crew in their right mind would get on an aircraft that they didn't control, 100%. Not going to happen. Take your tinfoil hat off, please.
So did you look at the post right above your comment with a link to video that contradicts your statement? That "tinfoil hat" comment is a little dated don't you think? And since remote control planes have been around for more than a couple of decades I find your comment ludicrous. Of course, those in the chopper never would have thought they wouldn't have 100% control.
You don't think they'd declare an emergency when they figured out they didn't have control? I find your comment ludicrous... You act like pilots flying a helicopter are just along for the ride and whatever happens, happens. Pretty stupid idea. Then, the idea that, somehow, actuators were installed to make control inputs that nobody knows about? There are so many levels of stupidity to "taking control of a helicopter" that's not fly-by-wire... nobody's going to fly something like that. Stop with the conspiracy theories.
Yes, there are UAV helicopters. But they're UAVs. They're not standard UH-60 helicopters that are modified to be remotely piloted, then an aircrew gets into, unknowingly, and someone else "remotely takes over". It would take a whole lot of modifications to make a standard UH-60 remotely controlled, and in the preflight, all of that comes to light, and nobody would fly it.
Did you see the video that shows it's possible or not? It's specific to the Black Hawk... already done. I'm not saying that's definitely what took place, but there has to be some explanation for that chopper not make some sort of evasive maneuver. I suppose your theory is they were kamakaze pilots or apparently couldn't control the helicopter or all of them just weren't paying attention? I'm sure we'll never get the truth why they failed to evade the crash so all that's left is speculation.
Yeah, I saw the video. It's experimental. It's for WILLFUL operation by a crew that KNOWS the aircraft will operate autonomously. And it's not in production or use. It's in TESTING. And I don't know of a single pilot that would get into an aircraft that could have control stolen from them. Crazy talk...
Whatever your wild ideas of "kamakaze pilots"... stop with your projecting. My theory is that they got distracted and let their altitude increase. They ended up being at the same altitude as the airplane and couldn't see it because of the city lights. No wild, insane conspiracy theories like you're dreaming up.
They probably didn't take evasive action because they never actually identified the airplane they were supposed to see. Hopefully, we'll find out from the voice recorder from the Blackhawk. I'm sure you still won't believe it, though...
Plausible. And stir Russia up at the same time. And make it look like the govt is not in control. I’d guess Musk will have the diagnostics to figure it out.
Sure are a lot of assumptions coming from you... if you can't see the airplane because of ground lights (yes, they blend together), and they think they see the airplane ATC is talking about, why would they take evasive action? Until you've been there and lose an airplane in ground lights, please refrain from making thoughtless, idiotic comments.
Notice the comment by bvd9701. The helicopter flew directly into the plane
It's an unfortunate possibility.
This stinks to high heaven. Who was on that plane? A whistleblower? Blackhawk helos are capable of remote controlled flight. Simple matter to take control over it, mute the pilot's mic and intercept the jet at the perfect place and time. This was a hit.
I’ve heard that there were two Russian skaters - their best - on that plane. Trying to make Trump and our military look bad? The other ideas are good, too, but this might be international as well.
Three things.
1) Same FAA that didn't disclose truth about mystery drones in New Jersey.
2) Last year Congress authorized additional long haul flights to/from DCA - despite many warnings
about adding flights to most congested air space in country.
3) Training mission in middle of most congested air space? Same BS as fire hydrants and reservoirs with no water.
Vaxxident?
You have to wonder…
it's a clear night. the video shows the helicopter flying directly into the flight path of the jet?? Why no evasive maneuvers? They were at the same altitude so visual contact seems highly probable
It's extremely easy to not see an airplane at the same altitude in an area as brightly lit up as DC. Unless you've actually been in the situation, you won't understand. But, you'll still make comments...
The plane’s lights must have been shining into the helicopter from the diagram. How could they not see it?
Some of the discussion claimed the plane was going 150 mph. So I could see that the helicopter might not have seen the plane. But the helicopter should not have been at the same altitude, air traffic control should have warned the aircraft much earlier than 30 seconds to impact.
Helicopter pilot not qualified to pilot a tricycle on a playground. Was he or she on drugs or legally blind? And whoever authorized this flight to go thru airlines flight path and gave authority for this pilot to even fly period should be court martialed and imprisoned for 30 years.
You seem to know a lot about what happened... but you actually have no idea how hard it is to spot an aircraft at night at the same altitude, especially in brightly lit city areas. And you have no idea of the control measures in place to keep these two aircraft separated, and to keep this from happening. But you're ready to pass judgement in a situation you know nothing about...
They couldn't see a illuminated airliner in front of them? I live right next to a heliport in a brilliantly lit city. I watch the helicopter take off and land every day, and quite often at night. And in the middle of the night. They maneuver quite well around all kinds of structures and obstacles. The name is "Native Air" in Deming NM
It's extremely easy to lose an airplane in ground lights when a city is lit up as much as DC. You watch helicopters take off and land? Congratulations. You do it from the GROUND, right? Try it from the same altitude with a very brightly lit city behind them. Very easy for them to blend in, especially if they're on a converging course. So, did you happen to look up how they ACTUALLY deconflict the aircraft in that area? Hint: The Blackhawk is supposed to be at a MAXIMUM of 200 feet MSL on his route. The airplane, in a normal landing procedure, will be several hundred feet above that while passing over that route. With the altitude deconfliction, the airplane would likely be very visible because the helicopter is below it, looking UP. As it happened, they were at the same altitude, and the helicopter crew likely couldn't see the airplane or thought ATC was talking about the other airplane that they probably could see.
Unless you've been IN THAT SITUATION, don't assume it's just so easy like it is on the ground.
See my above posting, There's also the air traffic control that only radio warned 30 seconds before impact. That alone caused the disaster. If the helicopter pilot and the flight path he had put him at the same altitude as the airliner, that alone is entirely wrong, either the helicopter pilot or who directed his flight path are incompetent to the max. Also, you're saying that the airplane would be more visible if it were several hundred feet above the helicopter, but when both aircraft were at the same altitude the helicopter couldn't see the plane? You know that makes no sense. My interest in this disaster concerns what went wrong and how it should never happen again.
"On the face of it, it strikes me as very imprudent to conduct training flights at night that cross the final approach to Reagan D.C. To me, the word “training” suggests a potential for making errors that an instructor is called upon to correct."
There is never any need to have military aircraft on the flight path of commercial aircraft.
So, when are they supposed to conduct night training for routes they'll fly AT NIGHT? "There is never any need to have military aircraft on the flight path of commercial aircraft." Do you even know what that means? Such a blanket statement... Didn't think so. The local procedures put that helicopter well below the flight path of the landing airplane. Do a little research, and what I just said will make some sense to you. Figure out how to look at a situation with an open mind, get some correct, logical information, and make a rational decision, rather than just making silly blanket statements.
Do you know what you're saying? Realist is 100% correct, there should under no circumstances be military aircraft in the flight path of air travel. That means the same altitude.
"Do you even know what that means? Such a blanket statement... Didn't think so."
It means there is never any need to have military aircraft on the flight path of commercial aircraft.
"The local procedures put that helicopter well below the flight path of the landing airplane."
The helicopter was obviously on the flight path of the commercial aircraft. Do you even know what that means? Didn't think so.
I guess I'll have to say it again, then. The helicopter was supposed to be BELOW the commercial traffic, not at the same altitude. He's also supposed to be laterally separated by ATC. There likely have been numerous altitude deviations in the past that haven't gotten violations. That's a problem. Start violating pilots when they deviate, and they'll stop. Commanders hate having to explain their pilots' actions to the FAA guys. If the helicopter had been at 200 feet or below, as required on the VFR charts, there would have been no collision.
Sorry for hurting your feeling. Obviously stating common sense struck a nerve.
This is so depressing there were so many young people on the flight! I can’t believe this could happen- army needs to clean its act up.
CLEARLY, it was the Helo's fault!!
Was this a WOKE military pilot flying it????
The flight path is CLEAR....the Helo TURNED INTO THE FLIGHT PATH of the airplane!
Anyone can SEE it!
The Helo 'turned right' on the last segment of it's flight path, before THE HELO HIT THE PLANE!
If the Helo did NOT 'turn right', and STAYED on that flight path, it would NOT HAVE HIT THE PLANE!
It WAS a military TRAINING flight!
A two year old can SEE what happened, and WHO was a FAULT here!!
So, it's NOT about 'air traffic controllers' (as LibTards are blaming Trump).......it's about WOKE military!
I remember Secretary Pete promoting DEI in air traffic control.
Yep!
More likely about treasonous leaders in the military, and perhaps a need to sacrifice someone either in the chopper or the plane. Clearly not accidental based on what people are saying about the footage. As someone else pointed out these helicopters can be flied remotely.
Could very well be. I'm not ruling that out.
But, as we all can clearly see, with the United States Corporation's military.....
they are BEYOND INCOMPETENT!
We see this at ANY airport, too.......with the mass hiring of Wokies/DEI......UNQUALIFIED individuals that have no business having the jobs that they do.
They aren't qualified to CLEAN TOILETS!!
And this goes for ALL aspects of our Infrastructure......
Designing/Building......buildings, bridges, and so on.
I do NOT trust the 'new wave' of these individuals, AT ALL!!!
When that new bridge, in Baltimore, is built......wonder how long it will take before IT FAILS?!?!?! I, for one, would NEVER drive over that new bridge, after it's re-built!! LOL
Those who have never seen the movie, 'IDIOCRACY', had better watch it!
Because THAT is what we are now living in!!!
'IDIOCRACY' can NOW be labeled as a Documentary!!
About flying these BH's remotely/autonomously. https://open.substack.com/pub/forbiddennews/p/revelation-of-the-method-the-deep?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2iyu62
"As someone else pointed out these helicopters can be flied remotely."
WTF? Does that sentence sound right to you???
Well, it's ungrammatical. 'Helicopters can be FLOWN remotely."
And then the terrifying reality: is it prudent to use remotely or self-flying helicopters?
"And then the terrifying reality: is it prudent to use remotely or self-flying helicopters?"
Of course not. But is it true that they can be flown remotely? And we do not know that it was.
I was merely following your train of thought and speculating. I know nothing of helicopters.
However, I am deeply concerned about the hysteria regarding AI --its inaccurate answers, puerile analysis, high energy resources use and depletion, and its debilitating effect on the IQ. Apply that to driving or flying -- as a substitute, not an assistant -- and neither transportation nor society will improve. Tangentially, I might add that I don't want incompetents forcing us all into algorithmic medicine, either -- Oracle's Larry Ellison is a genius at databases, not cancer or mRNA technology. Sorry this is off-topic.
I agree. The AI hype is way overstated. While it is a great tool for very complex situations, it is only a tool and never a substitute for human intelligence.
If people are interested in the flight path, and other data......
watch the video within this article.......
The Urgent Call to “Return to Base” & The Chopper’s Strange Movements Make No Sense (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/urgent-call-return-base-choppers-strange-movements-make/
Oh, stop with the conspiracy theories. You don't have a clue WHY it was the helicopter's fault. It has nothing to do with the flight PATH. Just stop.
Sorry, spewing CIA's favorite 'Conspiracy Theories' phrase, no longer works!!
I just makes YOU look STUPID!
The ACTUAL RECORDED FLIGHT PATHS for both aircrafts has BEEN SHOWN.
ANY member of the PUBLIC can go to several aviation websites, that SHOW, in REAL TIME, ALL AIR TRAFFIC.
The FlightAware (I believe that it was) FLIGHT TRACKING website, released the screen shot of the flight paths.
THE PLANE was on it's normal, steady landing path......when THE HELO CHANGED IT'S COURSE, and 'TURNED RIGHT', which put IT on the path to COLLIDE WITH THE AIRPLANE. If The HELO did NOT 'turn right', IT WOULD HAVE MISSED THE PLANE!
GOT IT???
Or is your IQ SO LOW......that your shit-for-brains cannot logically LOOK AT FLIGHT PATHS??????????
Good GOD......go back to huffing your bong!
So, what altitude was the Blackhawk SUPPOSED to be at for that section on their route? There's a specific number... And what altitude was he ACTUALLY at? Answer that, then YOU can go back to huffing whatever you huff...
You do understand that airplanes can go above and below others, right? Happens all the time. That's the trick to getting DC air routes to work...
Blackhawk should have been hundreds of feet lower.
Since you're either too fkn STUPID, or too fkn LAZY to go and LOOK YOURSELF...... (you're PATHETIC!)
HERE YA GO!!!
Even a 5 year old can READ the data......
https://x.com/ADSBex/status/1884793847068164379
I know where the Blackhawk was supposed to be, and at what altitude. It looks like you don't have a clue. All you can do is call people names.
So, how long have you been flying?
You're hilarious. You don't have a clue what altitude deconfliction means, do you?
IMO, it's not too bright to be doing "training missions" at night around an airport where big jet airliners are taking off and landing every few seconds.
Also, why do so many government VIPs HAVE to be ferried about on luxury/fancy helicopters? Let them drive a car like the rest of us. Those super-important meetings they are going to aren't really that important.
Park the taxi-cab helicopters and save the taxpayers a little money ... which we can spend on new mRNA vaccines. Sigh.
There are plenty of procedures in place that, if they had followed them, this would have never happened. It has nothing to do with 'training' missions. That's simply a label put on missions that aren't external support or maintenance test flights. Take the three most experienced pilots and crew in the army, put them in an aircraft to do traffic patterns, and it's training. Nothing special or sinister about training missions; they have to be done to maintain currency and proficiency.
Military helicopter pilots are so strict about rules and procedures and that is what makes it hard for me to understand. The CO of the unit must be hurting.
It should be noted that the “risk management” you speak of is incompatible with our current DEI infused military.
I need the vaccine status of all involved before I weigh in.
It's a safe bet the military personnel were jabbed. Also, the commercial pilots, come to that.
It's more than suspicious and requires an immediate investigation: thorough and transparent.
So much potential evidence was destroyed in that collision. Ex: Can the pilots be tested for covid-jab-related heart damage?
Yes, anyone can. Unless they were burnt to a cinder.
Transparent! LOL
It's actually not that difficult to see what happened if you know where to find the local procedures.
It is beyond tragic for everyone involved. I pray for all the loved ones and souls lost. Like you, many questions immediately came to mind. Very odd place to practice at the time of night when the airport is still quite busy and receiving many incoming and even outgoing flights. And is it common to suddenly switch landing fields right as descent has already begun? Tragic and heartbreaking.
They didn't switch fields. They changed runways. Minor heading change from runway 1 to runway 33, so 40 degrees. The airline crew checked it out and accepted it, and had plenty of time. And 'practice', if you're referring to the training flight, a local orientation is absolutely required in that area so they become familiar with the VFR routes. This really highlights the importance of complying with ALL aspects of the routing. The procedures are good. The helicopter was higher than it should have been in that area. This is THE reason that the altitude through that entire area is a MAX of 200 feet MSL.
Yes. Considerably higher than it should have been.
I gather that the descending passenger flight was at 490 (feet?) while the helicopter was ascending ( at an unusually fast speed) way too high - well above even 300 (feet?).
But. I wasn't there.