Yes, well done. It would be so refreshing to see dialogue that isn't designed to be a "gotcha game." It's so old. We trust you Dr McCullough, not the minions of the MSM. Carry on sir, you are leading an army!
Well, I think you've handled the assault on the truth very capably Doc. The important thing for me is that thanks to you, we can now identify several more enemies of the truth, and of humanity. Well done, Doc... and I am sorry you have to deal with these disingenuous, hypocritical, lying, cheating, substandard, examples of human excreta.
Yes Jeck, she sure does make it obvious! I've seen her enough times on CBS News and how often to me she shows herself as a blatant and obvious shill for big pharma.
Perhaps I can help Dr. Grounder understand what she is looking at. The graph with dual y-axes in the report is the superposition of 2 graphs, but in a numerically acceptable way. The graphs both have the same x-axes and even though their y-axes have different units, they match almost exactly in amplitude, so they are fine for quantitative visualization. And the curves fit so closely that the result of overlaying them is chilling! You could not see this reality any more clearly than through the brilliant visualization you chose to use. Kudos to you!
Did the report include quantitative measure of correlation? If yes, then the graphs are irrelevant. Would love to read it, but too busy writing stuff at the moment.
Mike Yeadon commented recently on molecular biology
"Then my employer starting hiring “molecular biologists”. I objected to this title, because those I met were not biologists in any way. They were tech people. The most important qualification was that they could use computers and complicated software.
We shared no common foundation of knowledge or understanding of how things were supposed to work. Eventually they got retitled as “bioinformatics” as the discipline and “bioinformaticians” as the trade. We did try to collaborate but it was almost hopeless. The assumptions being made couldn’t be formalised.
I spent months speaking with these new experts at a range of levels, from people adding literally invisible materials from empty tubes, supplied by vendors, which came with data sheets and eventually online codes to what was supposedly in them, to the people who then manipulated the output (the names of the dwarves in great profusion) and onto those who made claims for potential new drug targets.
I was greatly helped by one hire who had a biology background, then had hopped into young molecular biology for his PhD and jumped into drug discovery in my department. He reported directly to me. He was the only one I got any real sense out of. And yes, it turned out that a great deal of this was an act of faith.
It seemed to me that if you made enough measurements, the weight of evidence would form something solid from the smoke. I never got past my scepticism about any of it. It was all too vague and imprecise, which seemed fatally wrong given all we had was the four dwarves to start with."
By accusing Dr. McCullough of misinformation, Grounder hoped that she was safe and would not be accused of misinformation herself. Yet, she presented herself as a stupid greedy and malicious ignorant spreader of lies, desinformation, misinformation and irrationality. So, she still ignore the fact that not a single childhood schedulled vaccine has been really and meaningfully tested for safety? She came across like a mentally blinded idiot, who is solely interested in protecting her captured corrupted position. She comes across like someone who wants her lies to sound like truths, hoping that the real truths, which are a threat to her lies and her captured corrupted position, get buried in the premeditated confusion of her stupid, empty and absurd questions. She sounds like someone who wishes to impose the absurd irrational idea that making money selling poison to maim and kill children is comparable to making money selling healthy and healing substances to save children. So, for her, injuring and killing people is just like healing and saving people. For her, you should not criticise big pharma, as you have conflict of interest by selling healthy stuff that helps people. Gosh, she is really lost. She sounds like someone who has lost the sense of truths and lies. She lost it completely and is unable to tell truths from lies. Deep down, she is a victim of her own illusions. She needs to see a psychiatrist so to be placed on those madning psychotropic drugs ASAP. My goodness!
To your point, Grounder’s late husband, Grant Wahl, (formerly of Sports Illustrated) died suddenly on December 9, 2022 in Qatar while covering the World Cup. His agent stated, “he appeared to have suffered some sort of acute distress in the press room of the stadium ahead of the Argentina v Netherlands game… Paramedics arrived on the scene but were unable to revive him.” https://www.tvinsider.com/1073741/grant-wahl-cause-of-death-wife-world-cup-qatar/
Now, what is the likelihood she in some way convinced her husband to take the vaxx? According to the article I linked, his autopsy showed that he died from “an aortic aneurysm that ruptured.” In the article she completely normalizes and excuses away what caused her husband to die suddenly.
Her career is in media but one has to wonder what drives her ethics when Dr. Grounder was alarmed about opioid crisis in 2013 but a dozen years later her informed opinion has done nothing to help curb the explosion of deaths & disasters.. she even has 2013 Bioterrorism videos in case pandemic doomsayers are needed.. https://web.archive.org/web/20131215074510/https://www.celinegounder.com/
November 12, 2013 - Who Is Responsible for the Pain-Pill Epidemic?
"What I didn’t know was that my time in medical school had coincided with a boom in the prescribing of narcotics by outpatient doctors, driven partly by the pharmaceutical companies that sold those drugs. Between 1999 and 2010, sales of these “opioid analgesics”—medications like Vicodin, Percocet, and OxyContin—quadrupled.
By 2010, the United States, with about five per cent of the world’s population, was consuming ninety-nine per cent of the world’s hydrocodone (the narcotic in Vicodin), along with eighty per cent of the oxycodone (in Percocet and OxyContin), and sixty-five per cent of the hydromorphone (in Dilaudid)."
Instead she sinks her pharma fueled claws into anyone questioning a product that has NEVER been required to show efficacy since faith in syringe delivery as magic immune system improvement is never questioned. Imagine how willfully blind you need to be to insist injecting material with NO plausible biological mechanism for producing T-cell immunity also has no risk for toxins to cause neurological harms.
Learn human biology Tootsie.. no it's not part of the Rockefeller-Gates Biotech Mafia curriculum but before launching jihad for jabbing healthy babies maybe learn how immune systems are oriented to the barriers. Breaking the skin is ALWAYS a greater risk for more serious immune challenges.. bee stings.. snake bites.. snake oil vaccines!!
Pamela Drew - KUDOS from a Mama Bear of a vaccine-injured Child:
"Instead she sinks her pharma fueled claws into anyone questioning a product that has NEVER been required to show efficacy since faith in syringe delivery as magic immune system improvement is never questioned. Imagine how willfully blind you need to be to insist injecting material with NO plausible biological mechanism for producing T-cell immunity also has no risk for toxins to cause neurological harms."
Dr. Celine Grounder's questions were not about scientific import or requests for clarification or extension. They were polemical and of a sort setting the ground for discredit or defamation.
Dr. Grounder said no association had been found "between vaccines and autism," citing a Danish study.
I posted a graphic on X showing just that association.
The data were extracted from Figure 2 of the Hulscher, et al., McCullough Foundation preprint on vaccination and autism.
It shows the association between Autism rate and vaccinations to age 2. The association that Dr. Grounder contested.
The line through the data is a fit. It can be interpreted as showing an increase in autism with vaccination status, followed by a plateau, then a second increase, a second plateau, and a third increase now underway.
The relation is inferential. It does not establish causality. But it bloody well shows association. An association that calls for an investigation in science.
Every question asked was an attempt to slander and discredit your work and revealed the underlying bias and ignorance of the questioner. Don't worry, you got this.
Your defense of your study was superb, Dr McCollough. If she had carefully read your study she would not have asked some of the questions she did. The main stream medical institutions are going to hold on to vaccines by their bloody fingernails. Unfortunately, all her exceptional education is being used to support the industry and not true science.
Her name IS incorrect in the article as another commenter noticed: it is Gounder. She has a long list of educational achievements but doesn’t have children. So she’s missed out on the best education a person can have & doesn’t exactly have a “dog in the fight” concerning childhood vaccines.
The profound ignorance of those who promote vaccines is appalling.. They are closed to learning the truth, because it would affect their Bottom Line.
I recall the name Yingling from over 80 years ago..It is an unusual name. .They had a farm in Gibsonia, Pennsylvania. Were you related to them?
Well done Hulscher et al! It takes much courage to face the unrelenting tidal wave of corporate nonsense.
considering that her own husband dropped dead "suddenly," i'm pretty sure she's suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance.
Wow....May he RIP!
After a mountain of rock solid evidence, she remains horribly hypnotized.
#NOTABOUTYOURHEALTH Is it? Was it?
Yes, well done. It would be so refreshing to see dialogue that isn't designed to be a "gotcha game." It's so old. We trust you Dr McCullough, not the minions of the MSM. Carry on sir, you are leading an army!
Well, I think you've handled the assault on the truth very capably Doc. The important thing for me is that thanks to you, we can now identify several more enemies of the truth, and of humanity. Well done, Doc... and I am sorry you have to deal with these disingenuous, hypocritical, lying, cheating, substandard, examples of human excreta.
MASTERFULLY, METICULOUSLY and RESPECTFULLY done as usual, Dr. McCullough and Mr. Hulscher!
Thanks. Dr Grounder made it obvious that she is a clown.
Yes Jeck, she sure does make it obvious! I've seen her enough times on CBS News and how often to me she shows herself as a blatant and obvious shill for big pharma.
Perhaps I can help Dr. Grounder understand what she is looking at. The graph with dual y-axes in the report is the superposition of 2 graphs, but in a numerically acceptable way. The graphs both have the same x-axes and even though their y-axes have different units, they match almost exactly in amplitude, so they are fine for quantitative visualization. And the curves fit so closely that the result of overlaying them is chilling! You could not see this reality any more clearly than through the brilliant visualization you chose to use. Kudos to you!
@joely - MASTERFUL "help"!
Did the report include quantitative measure of correlation? If yes, then the graphs are irrelevant. Would love to read it, but too busy writing stuff at the moment.
"BA in Molecular Biology"; indeed; indeed
Mike Yeadon commented recently on molecular biology
"Then my employer starting hiring “molecular biologists”. I objected to this title, because those I met were not biologists in any way. They were tech people. The most important qualification was that they could use computers and complicated software.
We shared no common foundation of knowledge or understanding of how things were supposed to work. Eventually they got retitled as “bioinformatics” as the discipline and “bioinformaticians” as the trade. We did try to collaborate but it was almost hopeless. The assumptions being made couldn’t be formalised.
I spent months speaking with these new experts at a range of levels, from people adding literally invisible materials from empty tubes, supplied by vendors, which came with data sheets and eventually online codes to what was supposedly in them, to the people who then manipulated the output (the names of the dwarves in great profusion) and onto those who made claims for potential new drug targets.
I was greatly helped by one hire who had a biology background, then had hopped into young molecular biology for his PhD and jumped into drug discovery in my department. He reported directly to me. He was the only one I got any real sense out of. And yes, it turned out that a great deal of this was an act of faith.
It seemed to me that if you made enough measurements, the weight of evidence would form something solid from the smoke. I never got past my scepticism about any of it. It was all too vague and imprecise, which seemed fatally wrong given all we had was the four dwarves to start with."
how inspiring
James Jones - THANK YOU for sharing this enlightening and TERRIFYING information from COURAGEOUS, SACRIFICIAL, BRILLIANT Dr. Yeadon.
in return, thank you.
By accusing Dr. McCullough of misinformation, Grounder hoped that she was safe and would not be accused of misinformation herself. Yet, she presented herself as a stupid greedy and malicious ignorant spreader of lies, desinformation, misinformation and irrationality. So, she still ignore the fact that not a single childhood schedulled vaccine has been really and meaningfully tested for safety? She came across like a mentally blinded idiot, who is solely interested in protecting her captured corrupted position. She comes across like someone who wants her lies to sound like truths, hoping that the real truths, which are a threat to her lies and her captured corrupted position, get buried in the premeditated confusion of her stupid, empty and absurd questions. She sounds like someone who wishes to impose the absurd irrational idea that making money selling poison to maim and kill children is comparable to making money selling healthy and healing substances to save children. So, for her, injuring and killing people is just like healing and saving people. For her, you should not criticise big pharma, as you have conflict of interest by selling healthy stuff that helps people. Gosh, she is really lost. She sounds like someone who has lost the sense of truths and lies. She lost it completely and is unable to tell truths from lies. Deep down, she is a victim of her own illusions. She needs to see a psychiatrist so to be placed on those madning psychotropic drugs ASAP. My goodness!
To your point, Grounder’s late husband, Grant Wahl, (formerly of Sports Illustrated) died suddenly on December 9, 2022 in Qatar while covering the World Cup. His agent stated, “he appeared to have suffered some sort of acute distress in the press room of the stadium ahead of the Argentina v Netherlands game… Paramedics arrived on the scene but were unable to revive him.” https://www.tvinsider.com/1073741/grant-wahl-cause-of-death-wife-world-cup-qatar/
Now, what is the likelihood she in some way convinced her husband to take the vaxx? According to the article I linked, his autopsy showed that he died from “an aortic aneurysm that ruptured.” In the article she completely normalizes and excuses away what caused her husband to die suddenly.
Complete cognitive dissonance.
Her career is in media but one has to wonder what drives her ethics when Dr. Grounder was alarmed about opioid crisis in 2013 but a dozen years later her informed opinion has done nothing to help curb the explosion of deaths & disasters.. she even has 2013 Bioterrorism videos in case pandemic doomsayers are needed.. https://web.archive.org/web/20131215074510/https://www.celinegounder.com/
November 12, 2013 - Who Is Responsible for the Pain-Pill Epidemic?
The New Yorker by Celine Gounder
https://web.archive.org/web/201311142/http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2013/11/who-is-responsible-for-the-pain-pill-epidemic.html
"What I didn’t know was that my time in medical school had coincided with a boom in the prescribing of narcotics by outpatient doctors, driven partly by the pharmaceutical companies that sold those drugs. Between 1999 and 2010, sales of these “opioid analgesics”—medications like Vicodin, Percocet, and OxyContin—quadrupled.
By 2010, the United States, with about five per cent of the world’s population, was consuming ninety-nine per cent of the world’s hydrocodone (the narcotic in Vicodin), along with eighty per cent of the oxycodone (in Percocet and OxyContin), and sixty-five per cent of the hydromorphone (in Dilaudid)."
Instead she sinks her pharma fueled claws into anyone questioning a product that has NEVER been required to show efficacy since faith in syringe delivery as magic immune system improvement is never questioned. Imagine how willfully blind you need to be to insist injecting material with NO plausible biological mechanism for producing T-cell immunity also has no risk for toxins to cause neurological harms.
Learn human biology Tootsie.. no it's not part of the Rockefeller-Gates Biotech Mafia curriculum but before launching jihad for jabbing healthy babies maybe learn how immune systems are oriented to the barriers. Breaking the skin is ALWAYS a greater risk for more serious immune challenges.. bee stings.. snake bites.. snake oil vaccines!!
https://stream.gigaohm.bio/w/mAyR15Hpvn7rEc1NT4fuqp
Pamela Drew - KUDOS from a Mama Bear of a vaccine-injured Child:
"Instead she sinks her pharma fueled claws into anyone questioning a product that has NEVER been required to show efficacy since faith in syringe delivery as magic immune system improvement is never questioned. Imagine how willfully blind you need to be to insist injecting material with NO plausible biological mechanism for producing T-cell immunity also has no risk for toxins to cause neurological harms."
Dr. Celine Grounder's questions were not about scientific import or requests for clarification or extension. They were polemical and of a sort setting the ground for discredit or defamation.
Dr. Grounder said no association had been found "between vaccines and autism," citing a Danish study.
I posted a graphic on X showing just that association.
The data were extracted from Figure 2 of the Hulscher, et al., McCullough Foundation preprint on vaccination and autism.
It shows the association between Autism rate and vaccinations to age 2. The association that Dr. Grounder contested.
Here's the link: https://x.com/patfrank830/status/1987176986448367701
The line through the data is a fit. It can be interpreted as showing an increase in autism with vaccination status, followed by a plateau, then a second increase, a second plateau, and a third increase now underway.
The relation is inferential. It does not establish causality. But it bloody well shows association. An association that calls for an investigation in science.
Patrick Frank - THANK YOU for this EXCELLENT clarification.
Thanks for the word. :-)
Every question asked was an attempt to slander and discredit your work and revealed the underlying bias and ignorance of the questioner. Don't worry, you got this.
Thank you for the heads up they will write a hit piece on Dr McCullough
Your defense of your study was superb, Dr McCollough. If she had carefully read your study she would not have asked some of the questions she did. The main stream medical institutions are going to hold on to vaccines by their bloody fingernails. Unfortunately, all her exceptional education is being used to support the industry and not true science.
Her name IS incorrect in the article as another commenter noticed: it is Gounder. She has a long list of educational achievements but doesn’t have children. So she’s missed out on the best education a person can have & doesn’t exactly have a “dog in the fight” concerning childhood vaccines.
AMEN - "...she’s missed out on the best education a person can have..."