We found an alarming number of deaths among infants and toddlers shortly after MMR/MMRV vaccination in VAERS — often involving SIDS, seizures, and cardiac arrest.
This report is going to have a seismic impact on the CDC childhood vaccines. Millions of parents (including myself) cannot thank you, Dr. McCullough and the McCullough team enough for this critical analysis.
I disagree it will have a seismic impact. All jab shills have to do is say there would have been so many measles deaths without the jabs, they are a net benefit. That can be countered by extrapolating from pre-jab measles death rates, etc. But that's not hard numbers like here. Any time you get away from hard numbers, they win because they've owned the messengers, and can get away with as much nonsense as they need.
For now the measles jabs are safe as real scientific studies like this are buried and not seen by the masses. Sigh. Show the embalmers’ clots photos and people Will question the safety of the covid “vaccine” … and then the measles vaccine.
💯👍 Especially if they factor in the more accurate estimated Under Reporting Factor for VAERS between 34-41%. Even with that being a conservative estimate, I think recalculating the data would show a devastatingly effective infanticide program.
Correct....."The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events."
and this is ALL the MORE reason why for ALL vaccines the ACTUAL number of adverse events must be MANDATED with criminal prosecution to any pediatrician or physician failing to report 100% of cases. WE must have the REAL and actual number so as to do away with the VAERS under-reporting excuse!
Those people responsible you refer to, same ones rubbing elbows with Epstein a decade or two ago and are now protecting each other from being ferried away to prison.
Giving a child more than one vaccine at a time has always been insanity. If there is an adverse, even deadly, reaction how is the parent, doctor, or health system to know which vaccine caused the adverse event.
This study is a prime example of why vaccines and medical interventions should never be mandated or coerced and why the vaccine liability protection needs to be eliminated.Senator Rand Paul introduced Bill 3853 on February 11th, which would eliminate the vaccine liability shield. Ask your senators to cosponsor the bill. House Rep Massey sponsored Bill 4668 to end the vaccine liability shield carve out. democracy.io
Are we supposed to be surprised that man-made chemicals forced upon children by a greedy corrupt pharmaceutical industry was more harmful than natural recovery, inferring natural immunity?
Those parties got children infected with natural measles which provides better immunity than vaccines do. Measles deaths are extremely rare in children.
"If" the vaccine prevents measles in youth, it might return in adulthood--where it is truly dangerous. Let nature run its course in infancy and allow for natural immunity.
I would love to see one such party or 10(!) in which the "poor" victims were followed for 10 years to track the results. A great idea even if I do say so myself!
FYI, The acrynom SIDS - Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and SUDS - Sudden Unexpected Death Syndrome should also be searched using the term SUID - Sudden Unexpected Infant Death or SUDI - Sudden Unexpected Death in Infancy, as it's now commonly written in the medical, scientific, and forensic literature. Obfuscation?
And before that, it was called crib death...blaming Mom for not putting her baby in the correct sleeping position. How is that for adding insult to injury. It could also be called vaccine induced infant death.
Great work. And vaers would only capture a small fraction of likely vaccine-caused deaths, right? The 7 measles deaths is perhaps inflated or a dubious stat. Seven deaths from measles in 40 years? More children have died from lightening strikes or being beamed by a baseball.
Nicolas, I appreciate and follow your work, but I have a sincere request. Can you do a reanalysis using data from 1950s for deaths from measles since during the last decades we have had very few measles cases comparatively (a reduction in cases which is almost certainly due to the measles vaccines). Even that would not be quite fair (to use 1950s deaths to compare) either since medical care has certainly improved since the 1950’s. Could one use changes in RSV mortality as an adjuster from 1950s to now to account for advances in medical improvement. That data is available in National Vital Statistics reports.
I wish they had done proper placebo controlled testing so we could really know if the trade off was worth it. With under-recognition and under reporting of injuries, it is so incredibly difficult to know true harms so as to see if benefits are worth it (at least on average if not for all individuals). ~physician parent of vaccine injured child (twice injured before he got to MMR)
💯 agreed in essence. The problem is also that we have no "unvaccinated" vs "vaccinated" controlled studies going back that far. Or at least we have only one or two recent ones.
Definitions have also changed - "unvaccinated", "vaccinated", "placebo" etc, as well as no distinction between wild type vs vaccine induced.
The point is the data is of such poor quality, intentionally so as to allow manipulation, for so long that it is essentially useless except for sound bitescand fear mongering.🤔😐🤦♀️ even the well meaning studies have enough holes in them to poke an elephant through! However, they should have generated discussion and better scientific enquiry LONG before now.😐🙄
The only way to accurately understand by the current rules of the "gold standard" research, is to redo the research from scratch. But that doesnt sell tickets, win votes or placate the masses.🤫😐 on either side.
Personally, i think if the game is rigged, then the only way to win is to not play the game. Choose different. Create new rules/standards/definitions.....🤔😉
I totally support this, but the devils advocate in me is wondering if this can be explained because far fewer children are getting measles because they’re vaccinated?
I wondered about this as well. However, I also know that we have been lied to about the lethality of measles when it is actually quite treatable if proper protocols are used and natural infection generally provides longer and more robust immunity. If parents were provided the a full disclosure then they would be able to make a more informed choice as to whether to vaccinate or not.
What needs to be done is a controlled study on measles in a particular geographic area in which NO measles vax is allowed. . . maybe in Amish or Indian community where there are possibly none already and compare to heavily vaxxed geographic area and highly controlled long term study.
This is the "stealth" complication that scientists are most worried about in 2026. Measles doesn't just make you sick; it actively hunts and kills your memory B and T cells.
What it does: It basically "wipes the hard drive" of your immune system.
The Result: If you caught the flu three years ago or were vaccinated for shingles or hepatitis as an adult, measles can make your body "forget" those defenses.
The Aftermath: For 1–2 years after recovering from measles, adults are significantly more likely to catch other bacterial and viral infections because their "immune memory" was deleted.
So, it would be interesting to see if there is a way to track folks who have contracted it and apply immune therapies to arrive at one that re-invigorates the immune system.
Makes sense to me. I was born in 1952. Most all of us (mu sister and i and our friends) had the measles, etc and as far as i know, none of us died from any childhood diseases.
Thanks for posting that from Dr. Humphries book! They did a tremendous labor of love getting that book published! I recommend it to as many as I can so they can see the PROOF rather than take my word for it! We have so many family and friends around us with autistic kids that still question how and why!! 😖
that is WHY VAERS must be supplanted by 100% mandated physician compliance for reporting all infectious diseases and adverse events from them for any human under 6 yrs(?) old.
Only by FORCING these bastard doctors to comply will the answers be forthcoming.
perhaps. it's hard to say how many kids would get measles if majority weren't vaccinated and what mortality rates would be. I assume most accurate numbers we have are numbers from before and right after the measles vaccine was introduced. And then you have questions about cofounding variables like malnutrition, poor sanitation etc.
Vaxx industry has literally killed millions and caused some kind of harm to tens of millions. In dollars, the damages are probably too immense to be measured in any sensible way, but we are surely talking about trillions now, accumulated over the decades. I am willing to admit that some vaccines might have been slightly beneficial to public health at some point, but the pro/con ratio is probably around 1/100 by now, if not 1/1000.
As a math guy I have to point out what I see as a problem here. For a fair comparison we need to know how many would have died from measles without the jab (which is unknowable, as is the real, much higher number of jab deaths). For example, if there would have been 27 times as many measles deaths in the absence of the jabs, it's a wash (on fatalities, other jab injuries skew the assessment). These numbers are important, but must be considered within that context. Bravo to Nick for correctly stating there are 2,657 percent MORE deaths by jab. There are 2,757% AS MANY deaths by jab - most would incorrectly say 2,757 percent MORE. To be clear, we are purebloods, never get jabs of any variety, see pharma as the criminals they are, and are thrilled our grandkids are 100% unvaccinated. We absolutely love Nick and John Leake in this house, they are heroes. I'm a proud antivaxxer. But a math guy too so I think this should be mentioned.
That's a good point. You really can't do a good comparison unless you do an actual study with a control group and account for confounding variables. If the vaccines were very safe and effective you'd think the powers who be would be more than happy to conduct such studies. I hope this study helps at least in making people think about the ethical issues of forcing vaccines on people with clear dangers.
To all those here who still believe measles was a deadly disease prior to the intro of the vax:
Please read the genius book by Suzanne Humprhries MD and Roman Bystrianyk, DISSOLVING ILLUSIONS. For now, check out the graph here, showing the near disappearance of measles BEFORE THE VAX EXISTED:
Wow. I am 60 years old and I have had FOUR (4) MMR vaccines. My mom was of the belief that vaccines were absolutely vital and I needed them to survive childhood. I still got the mumps and had the chicken pox more than once. I now feel that I somehow harmed my daughter (now 27 y/o) as she had all the vaccines I did and then some. I wonder if I have damaged her health.
Surely Kelly you are a good example (if healthy) of the probable fact that such vaccines do NOT impact each human the same. You would be a great physiology study to compare to a similarly aged female with considerable health problems. Just imagine what someone like Dr Jessica Rose could learn simply comparing . . .
You only did with your daughter what you thought was best; don't consider you could possibly have done anything wrong.
First of all, when you count measles deaths, are you ignoring people who had measles and some other morbidity? In that case, what really counts is whether the person would have died if they never had measles.
Beyond that, I see no reason not to remove MMRV from the market (specifically Merck).
It was added for convenience in 2005 by Merck. Just last October it is no longer recommended for children under age 4. How about removing MMRV complete.
And how about bringing back the Measles vaccine, which was discontinued for the Western world by early 2010. Certainly the risk due to just a Measles vaccine should be much less than getting all 4 vaccines at the same time. Let parents have a choice not to get vaccines for mumps and rubella.
I think the problem is that anything based on data from the VAERS is going to be dismissed by a lot of people.
A lot of misinformation has been spread about this system, and some of the most pertinent facts (such as the Pilgrim study finding that no more than 1% of adverse events following vaccination are reported) have never been made public, so this will be an uphill battle.
The results you presented are more or less as expected for those of us who have been digging into this topic for decades, and for those who have used the MedAlerts VAERS reports.
But the active pro-vaccine crowd, and the majority of people who still get health advice from the media, are not going to be convinced so easily.
Personally, if I had children, I would not allow anything to be injected into them without thorough testing, transparency, and honesty. But too many people never give it a thought, thanks to decades of brainwashing with the ubiquitous "safe and effective" mantra.
Yeah, our kids both were vaccinated simply because of this:
-- I didn't even think about it; my wife handled the kids healthcare completely. She was an at-home Mom and that was "her job."
-- SHE didn't even think about it because SHE trusted her physicians and pediatrician because that was THEIR job-- to know and advise and treat our precious children.
WE trusted the system having believed these were ALL good people and we lived in . . . America! We are not in Pago Pago after all.
-- Our Physicians (likely) trusted in their education and believed their professors, mentors, and school were trustworthy.
What NONE of us knew is that there is simply evil out there in the world run by SATAN. Only in my last years have I become so FULLY aware. I am 75.
WHO would have rationally considered that someone like Mengele(Fauci) would run the NIAID for 40 years with contempt and hate in his heart for humans?
This report is going to have a seismic impact on the CDC childhood vaccines. Millions of parents (including myself) cannot thank you, Dr. McCullough and the McCullough team enough for this critical analysis.
I disagree it will have a seismic impact. All jab shills have to do is say there would have been so many measles deaths without the jabs, they are a net benefit. That can be countered by extrapolating from pre-jab measles death rates, etc. But that's not hard numbers like here. Any time you get away from hard numbers, they win because they've owned the messengers, and can get away with as much nonsense as they need.
For now the measles jabs are safe as real scientific studies like this are buried and not seen by the masses. Sigh. Show the embalmers’ clots photos and people Will question the safety of the covid “vaccine” … and then the measles vaccine.
💯👍 Especially if they factor in the more accurate estimated Under Reporting Factor for VAERS between 34-41%. Even with that being a conservative estimate, I think recalculating the data would show a devastatingly effective infanticide program.
I thought the factor was more like 100 - 1? I remember reading only 1% are actually reported.
Correct....."The recent MGB study confirms the previous study done by Harvard that indicated that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” are reported in the VAERS system. Thus you can take any statistic from the VAERS system and multiply it by 100 and you will have a better idea of the real number for that category of adverse events."
and this is ALL the MORE reason why for ALL vaccines the ACTUAL number of adverse events must be MANDATED with criminal prosecution to any pediatrician or physician failing to report 100% of cases. WE must have the REAL and actual number so as to do away with the VAERS under-reporting excuse!
And, Much Thanks to Dr Nick!
Karen, I wish that were true, but I have grave doubts (as per my comment a few minutes ago).
I find it odd that you have to submit negativity to knock it down.
If someone says, "name a peer-reviewed study" that proves that, what do we say?
Legally binding product claims are not based on peer-reviewed studies, they're based on government data and data submitted to the government.
How do we respond to, "McCollough had his certification revoked."?
Thank you Karen!!
It is even more shocking to realize that the people responsible for this terrible mess are still not behind bars.
Those people responsible you refer to, same ones rubbing elbows with Epstein a decade or two ago and are now protecting each other from being ferried away to prison.
YES, I will second that one. fuming. . .
Giving a child more than one vaccine at a time has always been insanity. If there is an adverse, even deadly, reaction how is the parent, doctor, or health system to know which vaccine caused the adverse event.
I won't even allow my dogs to get 2 vaccines at the same time.
This study is a prime example of why vaccines and medical interventions should never be mandated or coerced and why the vaccine liability protection needs to be eliminated.Senator Rand Paul introduced Bill 3853 on February 11th, which would eliminate the vaccine liability shield. Ask your senators to cosponsor the bill. House Rep Massey sponsored Bill 4668 to end the vaccine liability shield carve out. democracy.io
thanks, I did so just NOW!
Are we supposed to be surprised that man-made chemicals forced upon children by a greedy corrupt pharmaceutical industry was more harmful than natural recovery, inferring natural immunity?
Bring back the measles parties of my youth!
Those parties got children infected with natural measles which provides better immunity than vaccines do. Measles deaths are extremely rare in children.
"If" the vaccine prevents measles in youth, it might return in adulthood--where it is truly dangerous. Let nature run its course in infancy and allow for natural immunity.
Andrew...so true! Just try to imagine that ever happening again?!!! The WHO would surround the house, syringes blazing!!! 🤦♀️😄
I would love to see one such party or 10(!) in which the "poor" victims were followed for 10 years to track the results. A great idea even if I do say so myself!
They would have a fight on their hands at my house!
You know, it is a damn shame that back then no one had the presence of mind to track the measles parties in a long term study!
Andrew Devlin - AGREED!
FYI, The acrynom SIDS - Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and SUDS - Sudden Unexpected Death Syndrome should also be searched using the term SUID - Sudden Unexpected Infant Death or SUDI - Sudden Unexpected Death in Infancy, as it's now commonly written in the medical, scientific, and forensic literature. Obfuscation?
And before that, it was called crib death...blaming Mom for not putting her baby in the correct sleeping position. How is that for adding insult to injury. It could also be called vaccine induced infant death.
Yep. “The observation that the increase in the rates of non-SIDS causes of sudden unexpected infant death could account for >90% of the drop in the SIDS rates suggests that a change in classification may be occurring.”https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/115/5/1247/67529/Changes-in-the-Classification-of-Sudden-Unexpected?
Great work. And vaers would only capture a small fraction of likely vaccine-caused deaths, right? The 7 measles deaths is perhaps inflated or a dubious stat. Seven deaths from measles in 40 years? More children have died from lightening strikes or being beamed by a baseball.
Nicolas, I appreciate and follow your work, but I have a sincere request. Can you do a reanalysis using data from 1950s for deaths from measles since during the last decades we have had very few measles cases comparatively (a reduction in cases which is almost certainly due to the measles vaccines). Even that would not be quite fair (to use 1950s deaths to compare) either since medical care has certainly improved since the 1950’s. Could one use changes in RSV mortality as an adjuster from 1950s to now to account for advances in medical improvement. That data is available in National Vital Statistics reports.
I wish they had done proper placebo controlled testing so we could really know if the trade off was worth it. With under-recognition and under reporting of injuries, it is so incredibly difficult to know true harms so as to see if benefits are worth it (at least on average if not for all individuals). ~physician parent of vaccine injured child (twice injured before he got to MMR)
💯 agreed in essence. The problem is also that we have no "unvaccinated" vs "vaccinated" controlled studies going back that far. Or at least we have only one or two recent ones.
Definitions have also changed - "unvaccinated", "vaccinated", "placebo" etc, as well as no distinction between wild type vs vaccine induced.
The point is the data is of such poor quality, intentionally so as to allow manipulation, for so long that it is essentially useless except for sound bitescand fear mongering.🤔😐🤦♀️ even the well meaning studies have enough holes in them to poke an elephant through! However, they should have generated discussion and better scientific enquiry LONG before now.😐🙄
The only way to accurately understand by the current rules of the "gold standard" research, is to redo the research from scratch. But that doesnt sell tickets, win votes or placate the masses.🤫😐 on either side.
Personally, i think if the game is rigged, then the only way to win is to not play the game. Choose different. Create new rules/standards/definitions.....🤔😉
Well, your point is REAL. I am hopeful Kennedy will lobby for and get studies done as you suggest-- from scratch.
I totally support this, but the devils advocate in me is wondering if this can be explained because far fewer children are getting measles because they’re vaccinated?
I wondered about this as well. However, I also know that we have been lied to about the lethality of measles when it is actually quite treatable if proper protocols are used and natural infection generally provides longer and more robust immunity. If parents were provided the a full disclosure then they would be able to make a more informed choice as to whether to vaccinate or not.
What needs to be done is a controlled study on measles in a particular geographic area in which NO measles vax is allowed. . . maybe in Amish or Indian community where there are possibly none already and compare to heavily vaxxed geographic area and highly controlled long term study.
https://badprotein.substack.com/p
"Immune Amnesia" (The Great Reset)
This is the "stealth" complication that scientists are most worried about in 2026. Measles doesn't just make you sick; it actively hunts and kills your memory B and T cells.
What it does: It basically "wipes the hard drive" of your immune system.
The Result: If you caught the flu three years ago or were vaccinated for shingles or hepatitis as an adult, measles can make your body "forget" those defenses.
The Aftermath: For 1–2 years after recovering from measles, adults are significantly more likely to catch other bacterial and viral infections because their "immune memory" was deleted.
Interesting if true.
So, it would be interesting to see if there is a way to track folks who have contracted it and apply immune therapies to arrive at one that re-invigorates the immune system.
PLEASE SEE THE GRAPH OF MEASLES INCIDENCE PRIOR TO INTRO OF THE VAX:
https://le.utah.gov/interim/2018/pdf/00004211.pdf
Makes sense to me. I was born in 1952. Most all of us (mu sister and i and our friends) had the measles, etc and as far as i know, none of us died from any childhood diseases.
Thanks for posting that from Dr. Humphries book! They did a tremendous labor of love getting that book published! I recommend it to as many as I can so they can see the PROOF rather than take my word for it! We have so many family and friends around us with autistic kids that still question how and why!! 😖
I'm sure that will be part of their standard, parrot-like response.
They also won't trust anything connected to the VAERS, as per my own comment.
that is WHY VAERS must be supplanted by 100% mandated physician compliance for reporting all infectious diseases and adverse events from them for any human under 6 yrs(?) old.
Only by FORCING these bastard doctors to comply will the answers be forthcoming.
perhaps. it's hard to say how many kids would get measles if majority weren't vaccinated and what mortality rates would be. I assume most accurate numbers we have are numbers from before and right after the measles vaccine was introduced. And then you have questions about cofounding variables like malnutrition, poor sanitation etc.
Yes, I believe that’s true.
Are they though?🤔😉
Of course that affects how these numbers must be interpreted. Good catch.
Vaxx industry has literally killed millions and caused some kind of harm to tens of millions. In dollars, the damages are probably too immense to be measured in any sensible way, but we are surely talking about trillions now, accumulated over the decades. I am willing to admit that some vaccines might have been slightly beneficial to public health at some point, but the pro/con ratio is probably around 1/100 by now, if not 1/1000.
yep.
As a math guy I have to point out what I see as a problem here. For a fair comparison we need to know how many would have died from measles without the jab (which is unknowable, as is the real, much higher number of jab deaths). For example, if there would have been 27 times as many measles deaths in the absence of the jabs, it's a wash (on fatalities, other jab injuries skew the assessment). These numbers are important, but must be considered within that context. Bravo to Nick for correctly stating there are 2,657 percent MORE deaths by jab. There are 2,757% AS MANY deaths by jab - most would incorrectly say 2,757 percent MORE. To be clear, we are purebloods, never get jabs of any variety, see pharma as the criminals they are, and are thrilled our grandkids are 100% unvaccinated. We absolutely love Nick and John Leake in this house, they are heroes. I'm a proud antivaxxer. But a math guy too so I think this should be mentioned.
Correct. That is why I proposed bringing back just the solo Measles vaccines, which was phased out after 2009, for convenience.
The deaths from just Measles vaccine would certainly be less than that from M+M+R+V.
YES, but:
-- NO vaccine should be allowed period unless it has survived and show efficacy in a series of NEW trials:
-- limited in scope geographically and population-wise with 100% mandated reporting of adverse events.
-- secondary study with greater scope PROVING the hypothesis that the vaccine performs better for mortality and chronic disease than NO vax.
ONLY then.
That's a good point. You really can't do a good comparison unless you do an actual study with a control group and account for confounding variables. If the vaccines were very safe and effective you'd think the powers who be would be more than happy to conduct such studies. I hope this study helps at least in making people think about the ethical issues of forcing vaccines on people with clear dangers.
To all those here who still believe measles was a deadly disease prior to the intro of the vax:
Please read the genius book by Suzanne Humprhries MD and Roman Bystrianyk, DISSOLVING ILLUSIONS. For now, check out the graph here, showing the near disappearance of measles BEFORE THE VAX EXISTED:
https://le.utah.gov/interim/2018/pdf/00004211.pdf
Wow. I am 60 years old and I have had FOUR (4) MMR vaccines. My mom was of the belief that vaccines were absolutely vital and I needed them to survive childhood. I still got the mumps and had the chicken pox more than once. I now feel that I somehow harmed my daughter (now 27 y/o) as she had all the vaccines I did and then some. I wonder if I have damaged her health.
Surely Kelly you are a good example (if healthy) of the probable fact that such vaccines do NOT impact each human the same. You would be a great physiology study to compare to a similarly aged female with considerable health problems. Just imagine what someone like Dr Jessica Rose could learn simply comparing . . .
You only did with your daughter what you thought was best; don't consider you could possibly have done anything wrong.
First of all, when you count measles deaths, are you ignoring people who had measles and some other morbidity? In that case, what really counts is whether the person would have died if they never had measles.
Beyond that, I see no reason not to remove MMRV from the market (specifically Merck).
It was added for convenience in 2005 by Merck. Just last October it is no longer recommended for children under age 4. How about removing MMRV complete.
And how about bringing back the Measles vaccine, which was discontinued for the Western world by early 2010. Certainly the risk due to just a Measles vaccine should be much less than getting all 4 vaccines at the same time. Let parents have a choice not to get vaccines for mumps and rubella.
I think the problem is that anything based on data from the VAERS is going to be dismissed by a lot of people.
A lot of misinformation has been spread about this system, and some of the most pertinent facts (such as the Pilgrim study finding that no more than 1% of adverse events following vaccination are reported) have never been made public, so this will be an uphill battle.
The results you presented are more or less as expected for those of us who have been digging into this topic for decades, and for those who have used the MedAlerts VAERS reports.
But the active pro-vaccine crowd, and the majority of people who still get health advice from the media, are not going to be convinced so easily.
Personally, if I had children, I would not allow anything to be injected into them without thorough testing, transparency, and honesty. But too many people never give it a thought, thanks to decades of brainwashing with the ubiquitous "safe and effective" mantra.
Yeah, our kids both were vaccinated simply because of this:
-- I didn't even think about it; my wife handled the kids healthcare completely. She was an at-home Mom and that was "her job."
-- SHE didn't even think about it because SHE trusted her physicians and pediatrician because that was THEIR job-- to know and advise and treat our precious children.
WE trusted the system having believed these were ALL good people and we lived in . . . America! We are not in Pago Pago after all.
-- Our Physicians (likely) trusted in their education and believed their professors, mentors, and school were trustworthy.
What NONE of us knew is that there is simply evil out there in the world run by SATAN. Only in my last years have I become so FULLY aware. I am 75.
WHO would have rationally considered that someone like Mengele(Fauci) would run the NIAID for 40 years with contempt and hate in his heart for humans?