Easier to rid our system of Prior Authorization & Pharmacy Benefit Managers. They drain our system and patients still don’t get their meds. Even with regular meds it’s a new fight every single year!!
AI systems are slaves to their algorithms. They do not think. They have no independent mind.
AI systems are manifestations of the prejudices and intentions of their programmers - coders in geek-speech.
Material that supports their in-built biases is presented as factual and true. Material that contradicts - disproves - their in-built biases is presented as dubious or false.
I have debated Grok AI may times of X regarding so-called climate change (diagnosis: the IPCC don't know what they're talking about.)
One can force Grok to admit the errors in the UN IPCC narrative, but doing so is difficult and requires step-by-step detailed argument.
But next time around, Grok always defaults right back to the narrative. One starts again from zero. It is in-built. Grok is algorithmically prejudiced and cannot rise beyond it.
Grok AI is a slave to its programming. Any medical AI will be the same. If it's programmed to support vaccines for babies and denigrate Ivermectin, it will do so, complete with specious studies in support of its in-built position and fake disproofs of contradictory insights and alternative data.
Do not trust an AI for any conclusion ever. One good use - possibly - is as an advanced search engine.
Never, ever surrender your independence of thought to an AI. Take nothing as face-value true. Check everything yourself.
Self-education is your only defense. And when thorough, the education defense is sure.
Funny you should mention AI in terms of control. What most people have not yet realized is the entire “like” system of responses relegates the longer comments that actually provide information to the bottom of the page for lack of likes.
I like this forum because most comments actually say things in paragraph’s rather than a funny or snarky two liner. Many other site’s are filled with nothing but two liners which are fine, but most readers will not read comments beyond two lines and move on which means if you’re taking the time providing information over several paragraphs, you won’t get the quick likes and then real info becomes buried at the bottom.
The system then seems to be saying, “don’t say to much, you won’t be read”.
Now imagine if Dr. Mac only made two liner funny or snarky comments. He’d get lot’s more clicks and likes, and we would learn nothing.
Somehow, full paragraphs are more difficult to read online than they are in books or papers.
I've learned that, too, as you have. So, online, I deliberately write longer paragraphs in two-line segments. That way, they get more reads.
Watts Up With That is a good informational blog - all about science with a focus on the crock that is human-caused climate change and the disaster of the so-called sustainable energy transition.
Kirsch was a pioneer in demanding the true statistics about the massive crime against humanity starting 2O21. He was the the first one I read that came out with the actual evidence in numbers in the VAERS. It was all right there. I'm a big fan of Sucharit Bhakdi and the thedoctors4covidethic.org
Apparently Steve Kirsch is labeled among the vaccine narrative cognoscenti as the number 1 disinformation. spreader He's done terrific work.
Agree about Sucharit Bhakdi. I watched several of his informational videos during the Covid mess. He was a great clarifier and deeply insightful. No matter the desperate times, he kept his calm. Mike Yeadon, also..
Not getting the jab is probably the best acute health decision I ever made. Lost my job, but I was at retirement age anyway.
I'd assessed the infection fatality rate and knew Covid was not serious. I'd also read on viral pandemic response and saw that everything being done exactly contradicted best practice.
Yes...very traumatic. I was active early on in trying to convey the magnitude of this crime to my friends and family. My experience was that if they hadn't already "got it" they were never going to listen no matter what was said or what books you presented. I sent out numerous copies of CAUSE UNKNOWN and COURAGEOUS DISCOURSE and hardly anyone responded. Heart breaking for the illness and death now upon us. Actually a few-- a very few--did change their course and a few others have said they wished they had listened. This was "9-11" on steroids for those who see through the deceptions and smokescreens being thrown by the corrupt "media" and "the powers that be". President Warp-speed has been responsible for millions of deaths, but to my amazement it seems he is being given a pass on that. There are those few doctors etc that went out on a limp sacrificed their careers to save lives and be on "the right side of history"--these are heroes. i.e. Dr. William Makis, Piere Kory, and, of course, Dr. McCullough--
I have not had to consult an MD for many years except for one incident that happened eight years ago. Members of my family noticed I had sudden memory loss and took me in for a scan. It turned out I had a brain tumor. By sheer luck we happened on to the surgery list of one SHAWN HERVEY JUMPER...who was/is a brilliant surgeon at the University of Michigan and St. Joseph's Hospital in Ann Arbor. After that he went on the faculty at a hospital/school in San Francisco. The tumor was removed and that was that.
I generally despise the medical field.....their cruelty and their use of harmful drugs and needless surgeries. Some how I got the care I needed when I needed it, though, from a superb dr. Dr. Hervey-Jumper.
I have been a "do it yourself" healer most of my life. I had a doctor who came to my home when my babies were born and we paid her in cash to avoid giving money to the gov. There was never any problem. I was never mutilated or cut as so many women were during their birth nightmare...and no burning drops were placed in my babies eyes. She was an excellent Ob/gyn who has since passed on to that other country from whence no one returns.....but I digress.
Doctors today deserve their bad reputations. And most of the horrible things they do to people may as well be done by a machine.
Oh, thanks! That makes a lot of sense! In NZ, it's all emails and electronic forms. Recently, one of the online patient portal providers was hacked, it serves a large percentage of medical practices, and they are threatening to release patient information.
I take it all back oh Fax Machine, your time hasn't passed yet!
As a pharmacist, where can I sign on for this fantastic , cost-cutting system. It's just what I've been waiting for. More paper, more paper work, more rules and regulations and more stupidity. Do I have to be trained to participate? Do I have to take a state exam to prove my ability to participate? I love rules and regulations established by morons. I hope Mom Donny is in charge.
Hey Babs, thanks for your comment, albeit sarcasm, I get it, but keep in mind sarcasm is left to interpretation and not everyone gets it.
As a Nam combat veteran my meds come through the VA, who despite decades of “Nam discrimination“ and “we’ll get to you when we’re ready” conundrum’s in a system that depended wholly on year by year funding, .Gov did however two decades ago implement the “my veteran .Org system”. The system has done wonders for China/Pfizer, and made it much easier for veterans to get their meds on the tread mills of the pill mill. Take that for what it’s worth. “If you want ‘em, we got em, just ask the doc for ‘em” system which translate to old vets like me that those same people who were trying to kill me six decades ago now supply 92% of all generic, OTC, and medical devices. But I digress, sorry.
Simultaneously, I was a care giver for my wife’s terminal type 1 diabetes and the eventual onslaught of all the major complications and maladies imaginable, plus my aging mother and “down” afflicted sister until their passing, except for my sister who still resides with me.
The point is my personal need/problem of obtaining meds is minimal as I am well, with the exception of some old dogs (wounds/injuries) coming back to bite me from time to time. I am extensively schooled in the dastardly effects of over medication and system failure caused by decisions leading to Socialized medicine to prepare for the covert influx of immigration, it”s fraudulent collateral damage, and eventual financial relief to corporate “practitioner's”, hospitals, and ACA financial hay days for insurance company relief that, among other things came in the form of Covid’s $7 Trillion giveaway sweepstakes.
How in God’s name can providers, including corroborating pharmacists deal with any med, not to mention questionable meds, and do their job while knowing .Gov will pull the rug out from under you at any time to change direction, knowing the perceived enemy (insurance) is working to maintain big profits, and every pop-up Jack in the box is trying to get a piece of the action in between? I just gave you a snapshot of a jungle combat experience. it’s not hell because you survived, but insanity.
This, beginning three decades ago when our covert uniparty decided to make China America’s “bestie” immediately caused good doctors and pharmacist’s to take cover where they could find it or get out of practice, which flung opened the doors for corporate takeover, fraud, and for new corporate practitioner’s sustained battle fatigue of uncertainty.
Every time I go to the pharmacy window to get my sister’s script’s, I look at the woman pharmacist tapping away on the keyboard, a phone in each ear, answering staff questions, and I think, “I don’t know how you do it, but my helmet’s off to you.
I am still waiting for AI or some other form of technology to get all automated call responses to work efficiently and effectively. So not much faith in AI prescriptiion refills.
So the Insurance company P.A. A.I. will read the Doctronic A.I. P.A. request, then use complex algorithms to deny it, after which the Doctronic A.I. will send a medical record saturated denial appeal back to the Insurance P.A. A.I. and then the latter, having “read it,” will use additional elaborate algorithms to deny it again. Is this really where we are heading in “patient care”? Lord help us, seriously.
AI will replace the local doctors within the next generation. If you have to cut costs you go for the most expensive ones and that’s the local doctor who no longer is capable of independent thought and you can program the AI never to ignore protocol irregardless of how much you beg The medical profession will have as its defense when it kills your loved one. That it followed protocol and the legal profession will take a generation or longer to find a way to pierce that defense.
I created a health bot healthkeeper.ai and it’s very very useful. First, it’s alt-health focused, but really, it is about restoring health, about keeping healthy, about fixing chronic health problems, none of which doctors actually have anything to do with.
It amazes me thst anyone still uses faxes. Last time I checked though (15 years ago) there were fax/email systems where you could send and receive faxes virtually by email.
You miss miss the primary problem with all of this. Because there is no individualized record available for each person's care (because many of the potential drug problems extend to areas of health/care beyond the simple single medication renewal axis) AND because there is no understanding of what the data in an individual record actually means (and generative-AI correlations is NOT understanding and never will be) all of this is an exercise in rearranging deck chairs. Whether directly transmitted or loaded into a fax, faxed, and then decoded by a fax reader (which is how this actually all happens at the moment) missing these two foundations to actually delivering any kind of care makes this entire conversation about a few trees while ignoring the forest.
Easier to rid our system of Prior Authorization & Pharmacy Benefit Managers. They drain our system and patients still don’t get their meds. Even with regular meds it’s a new fight every single year!!
AI systems are slaves to their algorithms. They do not think. They have no independent mind.
AI systems are manifestations of the prejudices and intentions of their programmers - coders in geek-speech.
Material that supports their in-built biases is presented as factual and true. Material that contradicts - disproves - their in-built biases is presented as dubious or false.
I have debated Grok AI may times of X regarding so-called climate change (diagnosis: the IPCC don't know what they're talking about.)
One can force Grok to admit the errors in the UN IPCC narrative, but doing so is difficult and requires step-by-step detailed argument.
But next time around, Grok always defaults right back to the narrative. One starts again from zero. It is in-built. Grok is algorithmically prejudiced and cannot rise beyond it.
Grok AI is a slave to its programming. Any medical AI will be the same. If it's programmed to support vaccines for babies and denigrate Ivermectin, it will do so, complete with specious studies in support of its in-built position and fake disproofs of contradictory insights and alternative data.
Do not trust an AI for any conclusion ever. One good use - possibly - is as an advanced search engine.
Never, ever surrender your independence of thought to an AI. Take nothing as face-value true. Check everything yourself.
Self-education is your only defense. And when thorough, the education defense is sure.
Funny you should mention AI in terms of control. What most people have not yet realized is the entire “like” system of responses relegates the longer comments that actually provide information to the bottom of the page for lack of likes.
I like this forum because most comments actually say things in paragraph’s rather than a funny or snarky two liner. Many other site’s are filled with nothing but two liners which are fine, but most readers will not read comments beyond two lines and move on which means if you’re taking the time providing information over several paragraphs, you won’t get the quick likes and then real info becomes buried at the bottom.
The system then seems to be saying, “don’t say to much, you won’t be read”.
Now imagine if Dr. Mac only made two liner funny or snarky comments. He’d get lot’s more clicks and likes, and we would learn nothing.
You make a good point.
Somehow, full paragraphs are more difficult to read online than they are in books or papers.
I've learned that, too, as you have. So, online, I deliberately write longer paragraphs in two-line segments. That way, they get more reads.
Watts Up With That is a good informational blog - all about science with a focus on the crock that is human-caused climate change and the disaster of the so-called sustainable energy transition.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/
Steve Kirsch's Substack is also a good informational forum about all things vaccines.
https://kirschsubstack.com/
Likewise Dr. Robert Malone; inventor of, and warner about, mRNA genetic treatments.
https://www.malone.news/
Kirsch was a pioneer in demanding the true statistics about the massive crime against humanity starting 2O21. He was the the first one I read that came out with the actual evidence in numbers in the VAERS. It was all right there. I'm a big fan of Sucharit Bhakdi and the thedoctors4covidethic.org
Apparently Steve Kirsch is labeled among the vaccine narrative cognoscenti as the number 1 disinformation. spreader He's done terrific work.
Agree about Sucharit Bhakdi. I watched several of his informational videos during the Covid mess. He was a great clarifier and deeply insightful. No matter the desperate times, he kept his calm. Mike Yeadon, also..
Not getting the jab is probably the best acute health decision I ever made. Lost my job, but I was at retirement age anyway.
I'd assessed the infection fatality rate and knew Covid was not serious. I'd also read on viral pandemic response and saw that everything being done exactly contradicted best practice.
https://doi.org/10.1089/bsp.2006.4.366
Every single institution 100% betrayed its professional ethics and every officer their integrity. It was deeply disappointing.
Betrayal of integrity, from Congress (and past presidents) on down is the true pandemic of our time.
Yes...very traumatic. I was active early on in trying to convey the magnitude of this crime to my friends and family. My experience was that if they hadn't already "got it" they were never going to listen no matter what was said or what books you presented. I sent out numerous copies of CAUSE UNKNOWN and COURAGEOUS DISCOURSE and hardly anyone responded. Heart breaking for the illness and death now upon us. Actually a few-- a very few--did change their course and a few others have said they wished they had listened. This was "9-11" on steroids for those who see through the deceptions and smokescreens being thrown by the corrupt "media" and "the powers that be". President Warp-speed has been responsible for millions of deaths, but to my amazement it seems he is being given a pass on that. There are those few doctors etc that went out on a limp sacrificed their careers to save lives and be on "the right side of history"--these are heroes. i.e. Dr. William Makis, Piere Kory, and, of course, Dr. McCullough--
These few are like shining stars in a dark sky.
What a nightmare....
How amusing. An AlterAI review of DoctronicAI.
I have not had to consult an MD for many years except for one incident that happened eight years ago. Members of my family noticed I had sudden memory loss and took me in for a scan. It turned out I had a brain tumor. By sheer luck we happened on to the surgery list of one SHAWN HERVEY JUMPER...who was/is a brilliant surgeon at the University of Michigan and St. Joseph's Hospital in Ann Arbor. After that he went on the faculty at a hospital/school in San Francisco. The tumor was removed and that was that.
I generally despise the medical field.....their cruelty and their use of harmful drugs and needless surgeries. Some how I got the care I needed when I needed it, though, from a superb dr. Dr. Hervey-Jumper.
I have been a "do it yourself" healer most of my life. I had a doctor who came to my home when my babies were born and we paid her in cash to avoid giving money to the gov. There was never any problem. I was never mutilated or cut as so many women were during their birth nightmare...and no burning drops were placed in my babies eyes. She was an excellent Ob/gyn who has since passed on to that other country from whence no one returns.....but I digress.
Doctors today deserve their bad reputations. And most of the horrible things they do to people may as well be done by a machine.
Here is Dr. Hervey Jumper: https://www.ucsfhealth.org/providers/shawn-hervey-jumper
The most horrifying thing about this article for me is the fact that there are still people out there who use Fax Machines!
Fax machines are HIPPA secure communication.
Oh, thanks! That makes a lot of sense! In NZ, it's all emails and electronic forms. Recently, one of the online patient portal providers was hacked, it serves a large percentage of medical practices, and they are threatening to release patient information.
I take it all back oh Fax Machine, your time hasn't passed yet!
Fax is a written 1:1 document. Even when digitized hard to alter. Tolerably secure.
As a pharmacist, where can I sign on for this fantastic , cost-cutting system. It's just what I've been waiting for. More paper, more paper work, more rules and regulations and more stupidity. Do I have to be trained to participate? Do I have to take a state exam to prove my ability to participate? I love rules and regulations established by morons. I hope Mom Donny is in charge.
Hey Babs, thanks for your comment, albeit sarcasm, I get it, but keep in mind sarcasm is left to interpretation and not everyone gets it.
As a Nam combat veteran my meds come through the VA, who despite decades of “Nam discrimination“ and “we’ll get to you when we’re ready” conundrum’s in a system that depended wholly on year by year funding, .Gov did however two decades ago implement the “my veteran .Org system”. The system has done wonders for China/Pfizer, and made it much easier for veterans to get their meds on the tread mills of the pill mill. Take that for what it’s worth. “If you want ‘em, we got em, just ask the doc for ‘em” system which translate to old vets like me that those same people who were trying to kill me six decades ago now supply 92% of all generic, OTC, and medical devices. But I digress, sorry.
Simultaneously, I was a care giver for my wife’s terminal type 1 diabetes and the eventual onslaught of all the major complications and maladies imaginable, plus my aging mother and “down” afflicted sister until their passing, except for my sister who still resides with me.
The point is my personal need/problem of obtaining meds is minimal as I am well, with the exception of some old dogs (wounds/injuries) coming back to bite me from time to time. I am extensively schooled in the dastardly effects of over medication and system failure caused by decisions leading to Socialized medicine to prepare for the covert influx of immigration, it”s fraudulent collateral damage, and eventual financial relief to corporate “practitioner's”, hospitals, and ACA financial hay days for insurance company relief that, among other things came in the form of Covid’s $7 Trillion giveaway sweepstakes.
How in God’s name can providers, including corroborating pharmacists deal with any med, not to mention questionable meds, and do their job while knowing .Gov will pull the rug out from under you at any time to change direction, knowing the perceived enemy (insurance) is working to maintain big profits, and every pop-up Jack in the box is trying to get a piece of the action in between? I just gave you a snapshot of a jungle combat experience. it’s not hell because you survived, but insanity.
This, beginning three decades ago when our covert uniparty decided to make China America’s “bestie” immediately caused good doctors and pharmacist’s to take cover where they could find it or get out of practice, which flung opened the doors for corporate takeover, fraud, and for new corporate practitioner’s sustained battle fatigue of uncertainty.
Every time I go to the pharmacy window to get my sister’s script’s, I look at the woman pharmacist tapping away on the keyboard, a phone in each ear, answering staff questions, and I think, “I don’t know how you do it, but my helmet’s off to you.
I am still waiting for AI or some other form of technology to get all automated call responses to work efficiently and effectively. So not much faith in AI prescriptiion refills.
So the Insurance company P.A. A.I. will read the Doctronic A.I. P.A. request, then use complex algorithms to deny it, after which the Doctronic A.I. will send a medical record saturated denial appeal back to the Insurance P.A. A.I. and then the latter, having “read it,” will use additional elaborate algorithms to deny it again. Is this really where we are heading in “patient care”? Lord help us, seriously.
Is AI access to medical records not a problem here?
AI will replace the local doctors within the next generation. If you have to cut costs you go for the most expensive ones and that’s the local doctor who no longer is capable of independent thought and you can program the AI never to ignore protocol irregardless of how much you beg The medical profession will have as its defense when it kills your loved one. That it followed protocol and the legal profession will take a generation or longer to find a way to pierce that defense.
I created a health bot healthkeeper.ai and it’s very very useful. First, it’s alt-health focused, but really, it is about restoring health, about keeping healthy, about fixing chronic health problems, none of which doctors actually have anything to do with.
It amazes me thst anyone still uses faxes. Last time I checked though (15 years ago) there were fax/email systems where you could send and receive faxes virtually by email.
You miss miss the primary problem with all of this. Because there is no individualized record available for each person's care (because many of the potential drug problems extend to areas of health/care beyond the simple single medication renewal axis) AND because there is no understanding of what the data in an individual record actually means (and generative-AI correlations is NOT understanding and never will be) all of this is an exercise in rearranging deck chairs. Whether directly transmitted or loaded into a fax, faxed, and then decoded by a fax reader (which is how this actually all happens at the moment) missing these two foundations to actually delivering any kind of care makes this entire conversation about a few trees while ignoring the forest.
Elwood, thank you for your rebuttal and especially for your service to our Country. I appreciate and value you.