Was Timothy McVeigh groomed by the FBI in the same way it groomed Jerry Drake Varnell to participate in a plot to blow up the BancFirst building in Oklahoma City?
This is the first disappointing article I've seen from Focal Points, implying as it does that Islamic hijackers captured passenger airliners and flew them into buildings on 9/11 – i.e. the official story, which fails to hold water in a thousand different ways. I suggest John Leake read a couple of David Ray Griffin's 9/11 books and get up to speed on this issue. The article is fine otherwise.
I think John’s point is that, even if you take the FBI at face value, they failed.
Whatever actually happened on that day, at least part of it was airplanes hitting at least two buildings — that’s clearly on video. Now, did those allisions cause the buildings to fall? About that, I, and many others smarter than I, have grave doubts.
Nevertheless, as I understand it, the FBI, according to the FBI, failed to detain those they *claim* flew the planes despite knowing that they were bad actors.
The so-called hijackers were merely actors in a drama meant to stigmatize Muslims, a drama concocted by Zionists. The airplanes that hit the towers were drones, no passengers or crew onboard.
They were drone aircraft, remote control at WTC, not American 11 not United 175. By the field I presume you mean at Shanksville PA. There was no airliner in that field, and that was exactly what the County Coroner Mr. Miller said to the cameras and reporters as he came out of that field. More the ACARS radio system that was onboard United 93 was still communicating from somewhere in Illinois about 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed at Shanksville. That factoid was revealed in the discovery process for the only criminal trial to ever come from the events of the day, that of the ‘other hijacker’ Massoui. You can read about those events and more in Christopher Bollyn’s several books on the matter.
93 was not a drone, and no piece of that or any other Boeing was in the Shanksville field. There are many suppressed facts involved, and until you are willing to examine those facts and reach your own conclusions we have nothing more to talk about. If you don’t understand the many ways phone calls can be faked, we have nothing more to discuss. All the best!
Can you imagine staged phone calls with transcripts? I ask you the same question you or someone else asked John: do you believe known liars like the FBI?
10 years ago you would have been completely accurate with your statement. However, in the last 2 years I have learned much about Zionism. Now with Trumpanyahu 2.0 we are seeing it playing out on a daily basis. With the GOP flying the Zionist Flag at its convention, and its members stumbling over each other to pass legislation and policy that is repugnant to the US Constitution while favoring the Zionists, it's plain for all to see.
So where did the loved ones (passengers and crew) of all those families disappear to? Did they get sucked up in a rehearsal for the Rapture? Don't be a maroon.
If you make a hare-brained allegation like that, you should be prepared to support it when challenged. I'm sure you are smart enough to condense it into a paragraph or two. I'm waiting....
I cited the work of Bollyn and his countless articles and several books on the matter that are now 20+ years old. There is a chance that you and Jennifer were not even born when it all happened. There are many who wrote detailed books 20+ years ago including Michael Ruppert a former LA detective. If you and Jennifer are not honest enough to inform yourselves on details you are currently ignorant of, I won’t be wasting any more of my time speaking with humans in denial of facts. Go ahead and believe everything your government tells you. 👍
The FBI claimed they allegedly flew the alleged planes into the buildings, but this wasn't until AFTER they had allegedly done so – and so it doesn't mean much that they didn't detain them beforehand. In any event, did they hijack and crash airliners or not? You strongly imply that they did, speaking of "innumerable indications they were Islamic terrorists who were plotting something terrible". I hope you're not giving credibility to the mainstream narrative, despite the innumerable and incontrovertible indications that it's an impossible fairy tale.
I agree on the 911 issue, Roy — though I'm disappointed in the Carlson interview on different grounds (separate comment).
Your comment has a lot of flack from certain people who are obviously unfamiliar with the MASS of evidence Griffin accumulated on the problems with 9/11. The evidence of the non-hijackers is voluminous, not only in their blatant non-devout-Muslim behavior (liquor and women), and their stunning incompetence as "pilots," and the sequential foul-ups from the FBI over the flight manifests, and the bizarre passport find on the streets of NYC, and etc etc etc. There is also
* the excellent piece by Aidan Monaghan on the maturity of remote control technology for commercial aviation —
I remember, from way back when, that rumor had it that the FBI had encouraged many of the 1968 DNC rioters, and then went on to encourage illegal acts by various other groups opposed to the Vietnam War and the establishment in general. That seems to be the FBI's playbook. Kash Patel et al had better do something serious about changing this, or resign.
All of this comes from the CIA's "playbook"; who, as they are legally forbidden to operate on US soil, use the FBI as their proxy. As you point out, their tactics are identical.
Good work. Move to the head of the class and pay attention. Now you have entered my wheelhouse. As a Nam infantry combat vet I can tell you this:
Aside from the riots, the Alinsky sloganeering, bought and promoted “love songs”, the deluge of street drugs and the promulgation of “free love” that lead to Roe v. Wade, 1973 for hippie and Jody minions, to “rage against the man”, the point of the riots, looting, burning, murder, and bombings in the 1960’s and 70’s was to create chaos from which vacuums the deep State operates. It was all backed by the deep State and friendame’s that hate America for one reason or another. The protests were funded by and intended to extend the war in Vietnam by hijacking the original legitimate protests against a Congress in disarray during those obviously intentionally tumultuous years of the 1960’s and 70’s. Assassinations of beloved candidates, Civil Rights, and the Vietnam War protests would all set the stage to permanently demoralize America to this day and create a loathsomeness where corruption moves among the survivors. By inverting the movement into a “anti war movement” they were able to push back on President Johnson’s administration and perpetually demoralize America and the military and divide America to this day. The deep State therefore knew that China, Russia, and N. Korean tunnel diggers were the real elephants in that war room, and the war interfered with the deep State globalist plans to divide China and Russia, eventually make China and proxy Vietnam a favored nations (1990’s), and deal with destroying Russia sometime later, like now with Ukraine.
Thus, of the 80 million Boomers born between 1946 and 1964, if one could get 8% to hate on their own country and anyone in uniform service to her on the grounds that the President and his military are corrupt using an “anti war movement” that no one could deny was a good thing, then an entire unprecedentedly massive generation will carry that loathsomeness for the military perpetually.
According to the unique Constitutional Republic the Executive Branch, President, his Cabinet, State Department and its agencies, and the military are all subordinate to the President and Commander in Chief, the only person duly elected by the people to do so.
Also, the misunderstood purpose of a military is to protect the government first by deterring war with it’s perceived strength, otherwise end a war as quickly as possible with the fewest deaths, especially collateral damage of civilians. But since Vietnam America has consistently viewed the military as the villain, which it has been for six decades because it has been corrupted and controlled by the deep State that simply waited out each Presidential administration.
During those riotous years of the 1960’s within the 8% arose Boomer leaders (you now know many of the names) who were instrumental antagonists in the anti war movement who actually knew it wasn’t poor ole “uncle” Ho Chi Minh and the VC/NVA American soldiers were fighting, but China, Russia, and N. Korean tunnel diggers pushing the Communists into the South. They N. Vietnam military were foisted up to be revolutionaries like themselves trying to save their country, and in that regard the protest leaders accepted the accolades and gains as leaders. They included Castro and Guevara as their hero’s as they slandered in every way possible to denigrate the service of veterans, the military, and anyone in Uniform service to her, cop, fireman, mailman, you name it. Those born a decade later were lead to believe the “anti war protests” were a good thing, but in reality it extended the war by many years in Nam by interfering with military objective, killing millions more, dividing America to this day by the intentional confusion, weakened the Executive Branch that must remain a strong third branch of government, and perpetually demoralizing America and it’s military that is basically blamed for everything, while the deep State operators in academia, .Gov, tech, and corporate run the wars and all government endeavors through research and development without concern for the Executive Branch while it uses the military as it’s whipping boy.
This include the attempted assassinations of anyone, citizen or President in it’s way toward globalism where American independence and autonomy must be expunged.
During the 1960’s and 70’s riots, begun at strategic politically astute university’s like UC Berkeley, Columbia, Boston to Georgetown they made Marxism popular on campuses across America, and specifically vowed to “march through the institutions” (Gramsci), and indeed they did. By the 1990’s they had captured those institution, corrupting them one and all, initiated the covert non dissenting uniparty under the Democrat Party banner, and immediately made their old friends China and Vietnam “besties, simultaneously gutting middle class skilled manufacturing, sending the jobs to slave regimes abroad.
You can figure out the rest, but now you understand the assassination attempts on President Trump, the lawfare against his administration’s , and the attempted coups.
The deep State, that is the Leftist’s in America that hate or are simply indifferent to the United States, have been in America from the beginning. However, during The Wilson 1913 Presidency the hierarchal minded and their lunatic friendame eugenicists, began realizing a world without America as we had known it. They were the socialites of academia, politics, tech, and Corporate, all instrumental in the promotion of both wars from a financial gain perspective in research and development. To them, having a Constitutional Republic with three branches of government was to sloppy, not controllable which is what all hierarchal minded slave drivers imagine in their “Great Societies”. Globalists just think bigger, and to them America must go by dividing into tribalism of racism, gender, ethnicity, whatever gets the people occupied.
The biggest problem in America today is the legacy of my Boomer generation and their offspring who live in relative comfort and continue to delude themselves that “that will never happen in America”. They were born in the bosom of freedom and prosperity, never fought a war, have no idea of the actual military ethos, but because of the inversion by the deep State globalists in the 1960’s and 70’s find it acceptable to consistently blame the easy villain, the military, when it’s the deep States capture of the institutions that have caused the chaotic demise across the board for six decades creating the emasculation of men, fragility of women, and believing a woke military is a good thing. The deep State loves the WEF/WHO and Communism.
Academia, .Gov bloated bureaucracy, tech, and corporate, which includes the collusion of medical research and development are all mentioned in the 1961 farewell address of Five Star General, President, and Commander in Chief to be wary of going forward. Unfortunately as an honest and humble foremost military man Eisenhower exemplified the “military industrial complex” as concerning, and the Leftist hate America deep State ran with that narrative blaming the military for the war in Nam to bring America to it’s knees.
Very interesting. What was it, do you think, about the times during the Wilson Presidency, that prompted socialite and various leaders of industry to envision ways to create a different America? Why at that time? What was happening then?
To me America is looking exactly like Germany did in the '20s and '30s in the runup to the big one (the second big one): Impoverished from paying for wars past and present, jobs are poor paying to non existent, pornography has been turned into and industry, the gulf between wealthy and poor ever widening, and our own government and banking interests have been co-opted by Zionists.
After Wilson sold America to the Bankers, there were no more Americans born into the bosom of freedom and prosperity. Most of my friends who served in Vietnam were 'drafted'. And my wife's dad enlisted in 1956 to get away from a violent home, retiring as Drill Sergeant in '76 after 20 yrs. He did 3 tours one in Panama '68.
I read Blowback last week in 3 days, then Read John and Peters book in 2 days after that. The FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies are pretty much involved with nearly all terror plots over the past several decades. Read the trial testimonies of the 1993 WTC bombing that almost took down the Trade center. Feds actually provided the explosives that were in the van that exploded. Feds had to admit it at trial. Hell of a transcript to read.
I was a fraud prosecutor in the 1990's. I knew several ATF agents who were in Waco for the Koresh tragedy serving as backup for the special Eastern based team that had the lead role. I worked with them on a lot of arson cases, as I spent a week at the ATF school for prosecutors in Glynco Georgia to learn how to investigate and try arson cases. I like those guys. Feds had plenty involvement with that unnecessary Waco tragedy.
Oklahoma City happened a couple years after I left, so it was interesting to read about ATF involvement in investigating the suspects and planners, even though the FBI took over 3 months before the actual bombing and shares most of the blame for not stopping the bombing. Had ATF remained on the investigation, I doubt the bombing would have occurred. Both agencies had more than one CI working the 20 or more conspirators at Elohim City. What a shame the judge excluded almost all testimony about this at the McVeigh trial. The prosecutors were more than willing to take out a few patsies and let most of the most serious conspirators get off Scot free. Blowback lays out these sordid details at great length.
I remember going to the federal courthouse in Dallas during the Holyland Foundation trial of the Muslim "terrorists". Walked right by some of the defendants standing outside talking to their attorneys. Feds set that one up too. I remember reading an article maybe 15-18 years ago that laid out how the FBI set up, recruited and helped plan 23 out of the 25 convictions of Muslim extremists . The details of these 23 cases all followed the same pattern-FBI looking for and recruiting and then training the suspects and usually busting them before the acts actually occurred. Seems the terrorists needed some help as the terrorists weren't very good at developing their own plans to carry out these schemes.
The plan to kidnap Governor Whitmer in Michigan? All set up by the feds. Most of the "terrorists" were acquitted or convicted of far lesser charges after this all came out at the trials. Seems the Feds had such a difficult time finding real Muslim terrorists that they were more than happy to focus again on white domestic supremacist terrorists, or Covid terrorists, or parent terrorists at school board meetings complaining of radical sexual curriculums being pushed on their kids. And let's not forget the J6 terrorists? Lots of questions about fed involvement in setting up that mess. Did they ever figure out who planted the bombs under the park bench? And I won't even get into 911.
There are a lot of unanswered questions about Fed Involvement over all these years-especially the FBI on all these acts of domestic terror. And don't forget our worthless Congress, our Presidents and the Ministry of Truth mainstream media. What have they done to bring us the Truth? --almost nothing. And you would think after all these years the Feds could actually find and prosecute some terrorist from Iran, or Palestine, Afghanistan or even Russia or China who actually committed a terrorist act here in the United States. If these countries would actually send some real terrorists here, maybe the FBI wouldn't have to focus on investigating so many American citizens.
It's great to see people researching and writing on this kind of subject.
As to Timothy McVeigh/Jerry Varnell--no, I don't think the cases were groomed quite the same way. With Varnell, it's an obvious case of manipulating a vulnerable personality in an everyday (for the FBI) make-crime case in which convicting someone (anyone) for the purpose of showing what a great job they are doing w/the tax-payer's money. They had no particular interest in blowing up the bank or anything else if it wasn't needed to accomplish the goal: convicting their make-crime (victim). With McVeigh, they very much wanted to blow up the Federal Building in order to de-rail ongoing investigations (Mena AR) and probably convinced McVeigh he was participating in a Deep
State Hijinks "school play" (you'll know what that means if you follow George Webb at all) to achieve some patriotic law enforcement aim, and was probably told he would be given some kind of "get out of jail free" card/witness protection plan and pay-off, etc. And maybe he was. But in any case, it's highly unlikely that he didn't know that "his" fertilizer bomb couldn't do the damage it was purported to do/but didn't. Witnesses reported the setting of charges to the support columns in the building, which is what brought it down. Aside from blowing up the evidence rooms in the building, the other motivations for the event were to push along the ever-unfolding police- surveillance state overturning of our constitutional republic--the coup d'etat that has been underway since at least '63 or '45.
I've watched the video, and you can't like it and have it stick. I proved that by coming in with another browser (no same cookies, etc) and my prior like was not visible. And despite all the time it's been up, there's been no other Like's? No comments? The like I put up during the video kept blinking in and out.
As a freedom and liberty guy, the LAST thing I or the freedom and liberty community would want, is physical destruction of people and property. What I and others in my circles want, is for those in "government" to, on their own accord, with their own epiphanies, to resign PEACEFULLY and to join the peaceful voluntarists under their own choosing. It's basically along the lines of the Mathew 5:14 parable in the Bible. In that parable, we see a City on A Hill shining its light in a magnifiscent way. What we want is for the cop, the FED, the tax collector, WHOEVER to see this group of people doing amazing things for humanity and in their quiet hour they ask themselves, "what am I doing ??". Then they decide to walk away from their evil deeds and join the good side of humanity. We do NOT want them physically harmed, because we want them able bodied when they join the GOOD side at their own choosing. Likewise, the last thing I or people in my circles want, is the destruction of buildings, and infrastructure. Take public schools as an example. NOT if, but WHEN public education becomes obsolete in the future, we want the buildings in good enough shape to be repurposed - sold to the highest bidder at an auction. We certainly don't want roads, bridges, airports, shipping ports, to be damaged because when humanity finally transtions into a voluntarist society, we want to continue commerce and trade with no interuptions, The last thing we want is to have to build stuff from scratch. So the point I'm making, ANY person or group that advocates destruction and physical harm is {1} NOT a freedom and liberty person or group {2} is a person or group who I absolutely will NOT associate with. The TRUE freedom and liberty person believes in RANDOM ACTS OF KINDNESS and finding actual tangible SOLUTIONS for humanity. Because look, I aint a dumb idiot, I know dam well the FEDS show up at voluntarist meet up groups in disguise to see what we're up to. And I bet some of these Bozo's have at one time tried to egg people on to do shit. Sorry FED, it aint going to work wth me. I can spot a FED from a mile away. They think they can come in to a voluntrist gathering "under cover" and try to do their bullshit. Sorry FEDs, if you come to me and people in my circles, you aint fooling us - you stick out like a sore thumb. You might as well put flashing red lights on your under cover clothes. It's so amazing to me that these FEDs will spent so much time and energy trying to "get someone" - and they could use that SAME time and energuy by joining the good side and doing GOOD. But that's my rant for the day.
It seems society has always had a particular career ladder (or perhaps trade guild) for those individuals who have an affinity for violence. First, the military sifts through those who show certain predilections and traits along with an amenable background of isolation and lack of resources or family support. This is the apprentice stage. Graduates move to places like the FBI where they become journeymen sociopaths if they can be controlled or moved to psychopathic jail-house assassin and all-around disposable asset if not. To move to the master stage like a Comey, Clapper or Wray they must complete several final exams such as planning and running domestic operations ranging in levels of violence and entrapment of the "right" people to further the political agenda of whomever happens to be America's top sociopath at the moment. (Those rare individuals who are both psychotic but also controlled graduate Magna Cum Laude to the CIA.)
The FBI was started as a purely political hit squad and continues as that to this day as its prime directive. Any solving of crimes is simply for self-perpetuation and public optics.
Regarding Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing...Ty Bollinger's 2013 book... Monumental Myths of the Modern Medical Mafia and Mainstream Media and the Multitude of Lying Liars covered the OKC bombing and other events in full. It was fascinating and I couldn't put it down until I finished it. There was a great deal of information in it, which the government hid..
I listened to the interview today and it was very good. Tucker asked a number of pertinent questions. That much of what we know (though, not all) is due to the lawyer brother of a man from San Diego visiting inlaws in Mexico and getting picked up coming back across the border. He happened to look like the person identified as John Doe #2, and he was tortured to death. His brother Jesse has gathered evidence from other people (some of whom also died in prison in mysterious circumstances, and just before court hearings where they were to be witnesses as to what happened to Jessie's brother.) There's still info that hasn't been released, as well as the video of two men getting out of a truck. FBI insiders everywhere, including someone from Germany. So crazy, you'd think it's beyond fiction....
"There are no coincidences." We will never know for sure, the details of these and other atrocities. What we DO know for sure at this point is that our government is corrupt to the core and by virtue of it's size, resources and power, it is without doubt the most corrupt government on planet Earth!
If this information is accurate, I have some real sympathy for Varnell who has some very serious mental problems that made this "an obvious case of manipulating a vulnerable personality". That's a quote from someone else's comment.
John, the real horror is this would not have happened if he were black, or a woman, they will not realse the video, adn three men, a la epstein, ooopss, hanged and slaughtered in there federal cells.
Whitmer kidnapping, and in fact J6 are all in the same entrapment.
This is the first disappointing article I've seen from Focal Points, implying as it does that Islamic hijackers captured passenger airliners and flew them into buildings on 9/11 – i.e. the official story, which fails to hold water in a thousand different ways. I suggest John Leake read a couple of David Ray Griffin's 9/11 books and get up to speed on this issue. The article is fine otherwise.
The FBI claimed they flew the planes into the buildings and the FBI failed to detain them before (according to the FBI) they did so.
And you believe everything the FBI says.
FDR knew a couple hours ahead that the Japanese were about to send their bombers towards Pearl Harbor. There was time to get sailors off our ships.
As for 911, think powerful Intelligence Agencies, and entire countries.
I think John’s point is that, even if you take the FBI at face value, they failed.
Whatever actually happened on that day, at least part of it was airplanes hitting at least two buildings — that’s clearly on video. Now, did those allisions cause the buildings to fall? About that, I, and many others smarter than I, have grave doubts.
Nevertheless, as I understand it, the FBI, according to the FBI, failed to detain those they *claim* flew the planes despite knowing that they were bad actors.
The so-called hijackers were merely actors in a drama meant to stigmatize Muslims, a drama concocted by Zionists. The airplanes that hit the towers were drones, no passengers or crew onboard.
Who do you think we're at the controls of the plane that went down in the field?
They were drone aircraft, remote control at WTC, not American 11 not United 175. By the field I presume you mean at Shanksville PA. There was no airliner in that field, and that was exactly what the County Coroner Mr. Miller said to the cameras and reporters as he came out of that field. More the ACARS radio system that was onboard United 93 was still communicating from somewhere in Illinois about 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed at Shanksville. That factoid was revealed in the discovery process for the only criminal trial to ever come from the events of the day, that of the ‘other hijacker’ Massoui. You can read about those events and more in Christopher Bollyn’s several books on the matter.
They called their families to say goodbye as the plane descended. Not a drone.
A third grader could record faked theatrical dialogue. Quit being spoonfed.
93 was not a drone, and no piece of that or any other Boeing was in the Shanksville field. There are many suppressed facts involved, and until you are willing to examine those facts and reach your own conclusions we have nothing more to talk about. If you don’t understand the many ways phone calls can be faked, we have nothing more to discuss. All the best!
Can you imagine staged phone calls with transcripts? I ask you the same question you or someone else asked John: do you believe known liars like the FBI?
You have no clue as to what "Zionism" even means. Just stop.
10 years ago you would have been completely accurate with your statement. However, in the last 2 years I have learned much about Zionism. Now with Trumpanyahu 2.0 we are seeing it playing out on a daily basis. With the GOP flying the Zionist Flag at its convention, and its members stumbling over each other to pass legislation and policy that is repugnant to the US Constitution while favoring the Zionists, it's plain for all to see.
So where did the loved ones (passengers and crew) of all those families disappear to? Did they get sucked up in a rehearsal for the Rapture? Don't be a maroon.
That’s a fairly long story and beyond the scope of these comments
If you make a hare-brained allegation like that, you should be prepared to support it when challenged. I'm sure you are smart enough to condense it into a paragraph or two. I'm waiting....
I cited the work of Bollyn and his countless articles and several books on the matter that are now 20+ years old. There is a chance that you and Jennifer were not even born when it all happened. There are many who wrote detailed books 20+ years ago including Michael Ruppert a former LA detective. If you and Jennifer are not honest enough to inform yourselves on details you are currently ignorant of, I won’t be wasting any more of my time speaking with humans in denial of facts. Go ahead and believe everything your government tells you. 👍
The FBI claimed they allegedly flew the alleged planes into the buildings, but this wasn't until AFTER they had allegedly done so – and so it doesn't mean much that they didn't detain them beforehand. In any event, did they hijack and crash airliners or not? You strongly imply that they did, speaking of "innumerable indications they were Islamic terrorists who were plotting something terrible". I hope you're not giving credibility to the mainstream narrative, despite the innumerable and incontrovertible indications that it's an impossible fairy tale.
I agree on the 911 issue, Roy — though I'm disappointed in the Carlson interview on different grounds (separate comment).
Your comment has a lot of flack from certain people who are obviously unfamiliar with the MASS of evidence Griffin accumulated on the problems with 9/11. The evidence of the non-hijackers is voluminous, not only in their blatant non-devout-Muslim behavior (liquor and women), and their stunning incompetence as "pilots," and the sequential foul-ups from the FBI over the flight manifests, and the bizarre passport find on the streets of NYC, and etc etc etc. There is also
* the excellent piece by Aidan Monaghan on the maturity of remote control technology for commercial aviation —
https://911pilots.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/AutopilotSystemsMonaghan.pdf — and
* the maturity of real-time voice morphing —
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm — and
* the technical impossibility of the phone calls —
https://web.archive.org/web/20070115235407/http://physics911.net/projectachilles/ and
https://www.consensus911.org/point-pc-4/
just to touch the surface...
I remember, from way back when, that rumor had it that the FBI had encouraged many of the 1968 DNC rioters, and then went on to encourage illegal acts by various other groups opposed to the Vietnam War and the establishment in general. That seems to be the FBI's playbook. Kash Patel et al had better do something serious about changing this, or resign.
All of this comes from the CIA's "playbook"; who, as they are legally forbidden to operate on US soil, use the FBI as their proxy. As you point out, their tactics are identical.
Good work. Move to the head of the class and pay attention. Now you have entered my wheelhouse. As a Nam infantry combat vet I can tell you this:
Aside from the riots, the Alinsky sloganeering, bought and promoted “love songs”, the deluge of street drugs and the promulgation of “free love” that lead to Roe v. Wade, 1973 for hippie and Jody minions, to “rage against the man”, the point of the riots, looting, burning, murder, and bombings in the 1960’s and 70’s was to create chaos from which vacuums the deep State operates. It was all backed by the deep State and friendame’s that hate America for one reason or another. The protests were funded by and intended to extend the war in Vietnam by hijacking the original legitimate protests against a Congress in disarray during those obviously intentionally tumultuous years of the 1960’s and 70’s. Assassinations of beloved candidates, Civil Rights, and the Vietnam War protests would all set the stage to permanently demoralize America to this day and create a loathsomeness where corruption moves among the survivors. By inverting the movement into a “anti war movement” they were able to push back on President Johnson’s administration and perpetually demoralize America and the military and divide America to this day. The deep State therefore knew that China, Russia, and N. Korean tunnel diggers were the real elephants in that war room, and the war interfered with the deep State globalist plans to divide China and Russia, eventually make China and proxy Vietnam a favored nations (1990’s), and deal with destroying Russia sometime later, like now with Ukraine.
Thus, of the 80 million Boomers born between 1946 and 1964, if one could get 8% to hate on their own country and anyone in uniform service to her on the grounds that the President and his military are corrupt using an “anti war movement” that no one could deny was a good thing, then an entire unprecedentedly massive generation will carry that loathsomeness for the military perpetually.
According to the unique Constitutional Republic the Executive Branch, President, his Cabinet, State Department and its agencies, and the military are all subordinate to the President and Commander in Chief, the only person duly elected by the people to do so.
Also, the misunderstood purpose of a military is to protect the government first by deterring war with it’s perceived strength, otherwise end a war as quickly as possible with the fewest deaths, especially collateral damage of civilians. But since Vietnam America has consistently viewed the military as the villain, which it has been for six decades because it has been corrupted and controlled by the deep State that simply waited out each Presidential administration.
During those riotous years of the 1960’s within the 8% arose Boomer leaders (you now know many of the names) who were instrumental antagonists in the anti war movement who actually knew it wasn’t poor ole “uncle” Ho Chi Minh and the VC/NVA American soldiers were fighting, but China, Russia, and N. Korean tunnel diggers pushing the Communists into the South. They N. Vietnam military were foisted up to be revolutionaries like themselves trying to save their country, and in that regard the protest leaders accepted the accolades and gains as leaders. They included Castro and Guevara as their hero’s as they slandered in every way possible to denigrate the service of veterans, the military, and anyone in Uniform service to her, cop, fireman, mailman, you name it. Those born a decade later were lead to believe the “anti war protests” were a good thing, but in reality it extended the war by many years in Nam by interfering with military objective, killing millions more, dividing America to this day by the intentional confusion, weakened the Executive Branch that must remain a strong third branch of government, and perpetually demoralizing America and it’s military that is basically blamed for everything, while the deep State operators in academia, .Gov, tech, and corporate run the wars and all government endeavors through research and development without concern for the Executive Branch while it uses the military as it’s whipping boy.
This include the attempted assassinations of anyone, citizen or President in it’s way toward globalism where American independence and autonomy must be expunged.
During the 1960’s and 70’s riots, begun at strategic politically astute university’s like UC Berkeley, Columbia, Boston to Georgetown they made Marxism popular on campuses across America, and specifically vowed to “march through the institutions” (Gramsci), and indeed they did. By the 1990’s they had captured those institution, corrupting them one and all, initiated the covert non dissenting uniparty under the Democrat Party banner, and immediately made their old friends China and Vietnam “besties, simultaneously gutting middle class skilled manufacturing, sending the jobs to slave regimes abroad.
You can figure out the rest, but now you understand the assassination attempts on President Trump, the lawfare against his administration’s , and the attempted coups.
The deep State, that is the Leftist’s in America that hate or are simply indifferent to the United States, have been in America from the beginning. However, during The Wilson 1913 Presidency the hierarchal minded and their lunatic friendame eugenicists, began realizing a world without America as we had known it. They were the socialites of academia, politics, tech, and Corporate, all instrumental in the promotion of both wars from a financial gain perspective in research and development. To them, having a Constitutional Republic with three branches of government was to sloppy, not controllable which is what all hierarchal minded slave drivers imagine in their “Great Societies”. Globalists just think bigger, and to them America must go by dividing into tribalism of racism, gender, ethnicity, whatever gets the people occupied.
The biggest problem in America today is the legacy of my Boomer generation and their offspring who live in relative comfort and continue to delude themselves that “that will never happen in America”. They were born in the bosom of freedom and prosperity, never fought a war, have no idea of the actual military ethos, but because of the inversion by the deep State globalists in the 1960’s and 70’s find it acceptable to consistently blame the easy villain, the military, when it’s the deep States capture of the institutions that have caused the chaotic demise across the board for six decades creating the emasculation of men, fragility of women, and believing a woke military is a good thing. The deep State loves the WEF/WHO and Communism.
Academia, .Gov bloated bureaucracy, tech, and corporate, which includes the collusion of medical research and development are all mentioned in the 1961 farewell address of Five Star General, President, and Commander in Chief to be wary of going forward. Unfortunately as an honest and humble foremost military man Eisenhower exemplified the “military industrial complex” as concerning, and the Leftist hate America deep State ran with that narrative blaming the military for the war in Nam to bring America to it’s knees.
Very interesting. What was it, do you think, about the times during the Wilson Presidency, that prompted socialite and various leaders of industry to envision ways to create a different America? Why at that time? What was happening then?
To me America is looking exactly like Germany did in the '20s and '30s in the runup to the big one (the second big one): Impoverished from paying for wars past and present, jobs are poor paying to non existent, pornography has been turned into and industry, the gulf between wealthy and poor ever widening, and our own government and banking interests have been co-opted by Zionists.
That's a long one(!) and ss comments section doesn't register when I click the like button;-)
Thanks.
After Wilson sold America to the Bankers, there were no more Americans born into the bosom of freedom and prosperity. Most of my friends who served in Vietnam were 'drafted'. And my wife's dad enlisted in 1956 to get away from a violent home, retiring as Drill Sergeant in '76 after 20 yrs. He did 3 tours one in Panama '68.
I read Blowback last week in 3 days, then Read John and Peters book in 2 days after that. The FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies are pretty much involved with nearly all terror plots over the past several decades. Read the trial testimonies of the 1993 WTC bombing that almost took down the Trade center. Feds actually provided the explosives that were in the van that exploded. Feds had to admit it at trial. Hell of a transcript to read.
I was a fraud prosecutor in the 1990's. I knew several ATF agents who were in Waco for the Koresh tragedy serving as backup for the special Eastern based team that had the lead role. I worked with them on a lot of arson cases, as I spent a week at the ATF school for prosecutors in Glynco Georgia to learn how to investigate and try arson cases. I like those guys. Feds had plenty involvement with that unnecessary Waco tragedy.
Oklahoma City happened a couple years after I left, so it was interesting to read about ATF involvement in investigating the suspects and planners, even though the FBI took over 3 months before the actual bombing and shares most of the blame for not stopping the bombing. Had ATF remained on the investigation, I doubt the bombing would have occurred. Both agencies had more than one CI working the 20 or more conspirators at Elohim City. What a shame the judge excluded almost all testimony about this at the McVeigh trial. The prosecutors were more than willing to take out a few patsies and let most of the most serious conspirators get off Scot free. Blowback lays out these sordid details at great length.
I remember going to the federal courthouse in Dallas during the Holyland Foundation trial of the Muslim "terrorists". Walked right by some of the defendants standing outside talking to their attorneys. Feds set that one up too. I remember reading an article maybe 15-18 years ago that laid out how the FBI set up, recruited and helped plan 23 out of the 25 convictions of Muslim extremists . The details of these 23 cases all followed the same pattern-FBI looking for and recruiting and then training the suspects and usually busting them before the acts actually occurred. Seems the terrorists needed some help as the terrorists weren't very good at developing their own plans to carry out these schemes.
The plan to kidnap Governor Whitmer in Michigan? All set up by the feds. Most of the "terrorists" were acquitted or convicted of far lesser charges after this all came out at the trials. Seems the Feds had such a difficult time finding real Muslim terrorists that they were more than happy to focus again on white domestic supremacist terrorists, or Covid terrorists, or parent terrorists at school board meetings complaining of radical sexual curriculums being pushed on their kids. And let's not forget the J6 terrorists? Lots of questions about fed involvement in setting up that mess. Did they ever figure out who planted the bombs under the park bench? And I won't even get into 911.
There are a lot of unanswered questions about Fed Involvement over all these years-especially the FBI on all these acts of domestic terror. And don't forget our worthless Congress, our Presidents and the Ministry of Truth mainstream media. What have they done to bring us the Truth? --almost nothing. And you would think after all these years the Feds could actually find and prosecute some terrorist from Iran, or Palestine, Afghanistan or even Russia or China who actually committed a terrorist act here in the United States. If these countries would actually send some real terrorists here, maybe the FBI wouldn't have to focus on investigating so many American citizens.
And what about the unfortunate Thomas Matthew Crooks? Does anyone really think he was not set up?
If anyone set him up, it was the upper tiers of the Biden regime.
It's great to see people researching and writing on this kind of subject.
As to Timothy McVeigh/Jerry Varnell--no, I don't think the cases were groomed quite the same way. With Varnell, it's an obvious case of manipulating a vulnerable personality in an everyday (for the FBI) make-crime case in which convicting someone (anyone) for the purpose of showing what a great job they are doing w/the tax-payer's money. They had no particular interest in blowing up the bank or anything else if it wasn't needed to accomplish the goal: convicting their make-crime (victim). With McVeigh, they very much wanted to blow up the Federal Building in order to de-rail ongoing investigations (Mena AR) and probably convinced McVeigh he was participating in a Deep
State Hijinks "school play" (you'll know what that means if you follow George Webb at all) to achieve some patriotic law enforcement aim, and was probably told he would be given some kind of "get out of jail free" card/witness protection plan and pay-off, etc. And maybe he was. But in any case, it's highly unlikely that he didn't know that "his" fertilizer bomb couldn't do the damage it was purported to do/but didn't. Witnesses reported the setting of charges to the support columns in the building, which is what brought it down. Aside from blowing up the evidence rooms in the building, the other motivations for the event were to push along the ever-unfolding police- surveillance state overturning of our constitutional republic--the coup d'etat that has been underway since at least '63 or '45.
If you thought that interview was good, you should listen to Jesse Trentadue talk about his brother's murder. Mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M05-hNlMlIA
I've watched the video, and you can't like it and have it stick. I proved that by coming in with another browser (no same cookies, etc) and my prior like was not visible. And despite all the time it's been up, there's been no other Like's? No comments? The like I put up during the video kept blinking in and out.
There's no "like" tally.
And James Corbett’s treatment of OKC.
https://corbettreport.com/okc-a-conspiracy-theory/
As a freedom and liberty guy, the LAST thing I or the freedom and liberty community would want, is physical destruction of people and property. What I and others in my circles want, is for those in "government" to, on their own accord, with their own epiphanies, to resign PEACEFULLY and to join the peaceful voluntarists under their own choosing. It's basically along the lines of the Mathew 5:14 parable in the Bible. In that parable, we see a City on A Hill shining its light in a magnifiscent way. What we want is for the cop, the FED, the tax collector, WHOEVER to see this group of people doing amazing things for humanity and in their quiet hour they ask themselves, "what am I doing ??". Then they decide to walk away from their evil deeds and join the good side of humanity. We do NOT want them physically harmed, because we want them able bodied when they join the GOOD side at their own choosing. Likewise, the last thing I or people in my circles want, is the destruction of buildings, and infrastructure. Take public schools as an example. NOT if, but WHEN public education becomes obsolete in the future, we want the buildings in good enough shape to be repurposed - sold to the highest bidder at an auction. We certainly don't want roads, bridges, airports, shipping ports, to be damaged because when humanity finally transtions into a voluntarist society, we want to continue commerce and trade with no interuptions, The last thing we want is to have to build stuff from scratch. So the point I'm making, ANY person or group that advocates destruction and physical harm is {1} NOT a freedom and liberty person or group {2} is a person or group who I absolutely will NOT associate with. The TRUE freedom and liberty person believes in RANDOM ACTS OF KINDNESS and finding actual tangible SOLUTIONS for humanity. Because look, I aint a dumb idiot, I know dam well the FEDS show up at voluntarist meet up groups in disguise to see what we're up to. And I bet some of these Bozo's have at one time tried to egg people on to do shit. Sorry FED, it aint going to work wth me. I can spot a FED from a mile away. They think they can come in to a voluntrist gathering "under cover" and try to do their bullshit. Sorry FEDs, if you come to me and people in my circles, you aint fooling us - you stick out like a sore thumb. You might as well put flashing red lights on your under cover clothes. It's so amazing to me that these FEDs will spent so much time and energy trying to "get someone" - and they could use that SAME time and energuy by joining the good side and doing GOOD. But that's my rant for the day.
Spare a thought for UK freedom of expression
It seems society has always had a particular career ladder (or perhaps trade guild) for those individuals who have an affinity for violence. First, the military sifts through those who show certain predilections and traits along with an amenable background of isolation and lack of resources or family support. This is the apprentice stage. Graduates move to places like the FBI where they become journeymen sociopaths if they can be controlled or moved to psychopathic jail-house assassin and all-around disposable asset if not. To move to the master stage like a Comey, Clapper or Wray they must complete several final exams such as planning and running domestic operations ranging in levels of violence and entrapment of the "right" people to further the political agenda of whomever happens to be America's top sociopath at the moment. (Those rare individuals who are both psychotic but also controlled graduate Magna Cum Laude to the CIA.)
The FBI was started as a purely political hit squad and continues as that to this day as its prime directive. Any solving of crimes is simply for self-perpetuation and public optics.
Regarding Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing...Ty Bollinger's 2013 book... Monumental Myths of the Modern Medical Mafia and Mainstream Media and the Multitude of Lying Liars covered the OKC bombing and other events in full. It was fascinating and I couldn't put it down until I finished it. There was a great deal of information in it, which the government hid..
Documentary: "The Nobel Lie" OKC Bombing
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/a-noble-lie-oklahoma-city-bombing
I listened to the interview today and it was very good. Tucker asked a number of pertinent questions. That much of what we know (though, not all) is due to the lawyer brother of a man from San Diego visiting inlaws in Mexico and getting picked up coming back across the border. He happened to look like the person identified as John Doe #2, and he was tortured to death. His brother Jesse has gathered evidence from other people (some of whom also died in prison in mysterious circumstances, and just before court hearings where they were to be witnesses as to what happened to Jessie's brother.) There's still info that hasn't been released, as well as the video of two men getting out of a truck. FBI insiders everywhere, including someone from Germany. So crazy, you'd think it's beyond fiction....
The young man may also have been taking SSRIs, as were the other young school shooters.
"There are no coincidences." We will never know for sure, the details of these and other atrocities. What we DO know for sure at this point is that our government is corrupt to the core and by virtue of it's size, resources and power, it is without doubt the most corrupt government on planet Earth!
If this information is accurate, I have some real sympathy for Varnell who has some very serious mental problems that made this "an obvious case of manipulating a vulnerable personality". That's a quote from someone else's comment.
John, the real horror is this would not have happened if he were black, or a woman, they will not realse the video, adn three men, a la epstein, ooopss, hanged and slaughtered in there federal cells.
Whitmer kidnapping, and in fact J6 are all in the same entrapment.