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Robert Jacobs's avatar

This is foolish.

Gaza an autonomous, self governed territory whose government, Hamas, used its armed regulars and citizenry to organize and perpetrate an act of war against Israel.

The response by Israel is against the government of Gaza, which IS Hamas.

The idea that Hamas is just a terrorist entity in Gaza is beyond naive - it is Islamic propaganda. Hamas is the accepted and supported (according to every poll of Gazans) government of the population.

Every honest observer of any war effort knows civilian deaths are unavoidable. But every sentient citizen knows Hamas lies, at all times, because it is the Muslim Brotherhood. Any "death toll" reported by Hamas is, of course, questionable.

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JohnG's avatar

The problem I have John is that I've seen no comprehensive description of what has been destroyed, both in terms of the percentage of Gaza leveled as well as the number of people killed (other than reports from known partisan sources). The images, like the one you presented here, are reminiscent of the images I saw early on in the Ukraine war. I believe we all want the truth, but we're constantly being bombarded with propaganda.

I also believe most Americans would want Israel to go to great lengths to avoid killing Gaza civilians, while not placing their own military in greater danger.

As far as the oddity of how Israel missed the invasion, sure, did seem odd. But, as anyone who's ever worked in the military or government knows, bureaucracy is almost never efficient, nor responsive. To think that their bureaucracy would be to any degree different is, in my opinion, placing too much credit with Israel.

Can you elucidate what you would have Israel do differently (i.e. more specifically how a "law enforcement" response would look like materially? This is the problem I have with Glen Greenwald. I have yet to hear what he would have Israel do differently.

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