What if Mangione isn't the gunman, and what if UHC CEO Brian Thompson had announced his intention to speak uncomfortable truths about the U.S. government?
So glad to see someone look at this story from this angle. I heard whispers of this early on, but no one in the media, even indie media, pursued it. Thank you, John, for following through.
I am a portrait artist and can see that the faces in the two images of 'Mangione' do not match. The brow ridge, or 'glabella' in the top image dives into the nasal bone where it is on the same plane of the nasal bone in the bottom image. You can tell this from the way the light does not vary from brow ridge to the nose in the lower image.
From the moment this story hit the news I have always thought something was wrong with the narrative being presented. The shooter was very calm and methodical and appears to have executed a well thought out plan. The shooter manually racking the slide of the gun after each shot was rather unusual, but the shooter showed no signs of being at all surprised by this. He very methodically managed it like it was totally expected which doesn't suggest any unexpected "malfunction". For this same methodical planner to be hanging around days later with a manifesto on him and still carrying the alleged murder weapon seems extremely odd.
Yes, it didn't look like he was clearing unexpected jams, he was working the slide as if it were part of what he fully expected to have to do. Not sure what that mean, but it seems significant.
The Chief Financial Officer of Arthur Anderson accounting (presciently?) jumped ship in 1997 (shortly before the Enron fraud hit the fan, soon to be followed by the Worldcom fraud, both of which HUGE frauds destroyed the Arthur Anderson accounting firm). "The firm collapsed by mid-2002, as details of its questionable accounting practices for energy company Enron and telecommunications company Worldcom were revealed amid the two high-profile bankruptcies." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen#Collapse
Who was the CFO of Arthur Anderson?
Answer: Stephen Hemsley.
"Hemsley began his career at Arthur Andersen, where he served as Managing Partner and Chief Financial Officer. In 1997, he joined UnitedHealth Group, initially serving in senior financial roles." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Hemsley#Career
Where did Hemsley go?
Answer: to United Health Group!!!
"Stephen J. Hemsley (born June 4, 1952) is an American businessman who is the chair of the board and chief executive officer of UnitedHealth Group Inc."
> "Business Week reported his annual salary as $14,518,164.[9] For 2016, his compensation was estimated at $31.3 million, representing a 55.8 percent increase compared to 2015,[10] which was estimated at $14,500,000 by FierceHealthcare.[11] "
> "According to bizjournals.com the country's highest-paid CEO, Hemsley, made $101.96 million in 2010.[13]"
> "In 2011, he was named the highest paid CEO by Forbes following a large gain in the value of his stock ownership.[14]"
> "In late 2011, Hemsley's most recent annual compensation was estimated by Forbes at $48.8 million."
> "In 2025, following his return as CEO of UnitedHealth Group, Hemsley was awarded a compensation package that included $60 million in stock options"
I never thought that Mangione acted alone. Just a cursory evaluation should determine that! He was waiting for the man at such an early hour- how did he even know where and when to find him. I suspected and still do, that the poor victim was doing or going to do something that the corrupt powers didn’t like. And the lapdog media’s lack of curiosity seals it as truth.
Being a full fledged member of the Tin Hat Society, I have to agree this story/incident has to be in the top 10. Bizarre doesn’t even begin to explain it so you have to posit some evil genius element. Add to this the Brian Kholberger incident & one is struck by the sense of ‘what am I seeing here’. I would love to engage in some James Bond like scenario, but my problem is these people can’t even play a good Sean Connery.
Last December I went to the Mcdonalds in Altoona PA which is 50 miles from me where the so called shooter got arrested at the person that tip off the police never got the FBI reward I left and had a feeling they arrested the wrong person and my neighbor told me when he saw the photo of him before he got supposedly arrested she told me the gunman looks like a female so I can to the conclusion this is some kind of Psy-Op, so none of this is adding up and doesn't passed the smell test.
I always say about these shooting cases that I start from the premise of, "I don't know anything," since I'm (hopefully) never at the scene of the crime. But I will try to follow the cases as they move through discovery and eventual trial. Along the way, I've also learned to say, "I don't know if I'm hearing the truth from anyone." It helps me to better analyze these cases, if I'm interested enough.
I think you might be on to something. But, in regards to your JFK reference, I think the fact that JFK was trying to stop Israel's nuclear weapons testing in Dimona, and his trying to get AIPAC to register as a foreign agent (then known as the American Zionist Council) played a bigger impact on his murder than his trying to pump the breaks on the Vietnam war. https://x.com/MaryKostakidis/status/1879141270028968338
As a mediator, I discovered I was almost always able to surface much more information from disputants than attorneys, courts, etc. John, you also have the curious mind of a mediator that would make you excellent at the task. The challenge is finding the opportunity to open such dialogue with someone like Mangione. Mediation is typically confined to civil matters, though I did have occasion to touch upon criminal matters. (Mediation confidentiality does not hold in criminal situations, so one has to be creative in navigating the legal system.) For the conversation that you would make happen with Mangione, you would have to be "hired" by the defense attorney and thus fall under attorney-client privilege protection. It is something that can be done, it would just take some effort and skill. (Why would an attorney bring you in? To get a deeper, richer narrative with which to defend his client.)
As I've mentioned many times, I love mysteries and "real crime" stories. I like your approach, John. Anyone investigating the guilt or innocence of a party has to be scrupulous in remaining true to facts and open to interpretation. I'm rewatching Poirot, and he's always a delight.
Oh, John!! "...an agency through which $1.52 trillion of federal money flowed in fiscal year 2024, or about 22.5% of all federal spending." I'm boiling inside. I never go to my "Medicare" doctor. I treat myself with herbs and devise my own physical therapy as needed. I wish I could have some of the money I pay into Medicare monthly to defray my very real expenses toward maintaining my health. Good herbal concoctions are expensive, and some work and some don't. I've spent a goodly sum on protecting myself from vaxxed shedders and chemtrails trying a plethora of products.
Thus, my healthcare is privately funded by me. I wish we had a system where money could be available for maintaining health according to the user's preferences. Medicare thinks going to a gym is maintaining your health...which is about all any Medicare plan offers besides lectures on nutrition...which I've studied since my early 20s.
I do use the dental and vision parts of Medicare and keep Medicare for a catastrophic event. The dental and vision payments have significantly decreased in the last two years. I pay more for my glasses now than Medicare does.
Tampon Tim was supposed to do an anti Gun Rant at Minneapolis this morning at the mass shooting presser when they told him “it the shooter” was a Tranny with “Kill Trump” written on his rifle magazine. TT had the Limo do a u Turn back to Democrat Summer Camp.
So glad to see someone look at this story from this angle. I heard whispers of this early on, but no one in the media, even indie media, pursued it. Thank you, John, for following through.
There’s always three sides to a story… and most times, most never get past the first two narratives: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-two-narratives-they-give-the
I am a portrait artist and can see that the faces in the two images of 'Mangione' do not match. The brow ridge, or 'glabella' in the top image dives into the nasal bone where it is on the same plane of the nasal bone in the bottom image. You can tell this from the way the light does not vary from brow ridge to the nose in the lower image.
Another Patsy.
From the moment this story hit the news I have always thought something was wrong with the narrative being presented. The shooter was very calm and methodical and appears to have executed a well thought out plan. The shooter manually racking the slide of the gun after each shot was rather unusual, but the shooter showed no signs of being at all surprised by this. He very methodically managed it like it was totally expected which doesn't suggest any unexpected "malfunction". For this same methodical planner to be hanging around days later with a manifesto on him and still carrying the alleged murder weapon seems extremely odd.
Yes, it didn't look like he was clearing unexpected jams, he was working the slide as if it were part of what he fully expected to have to do. Not sure what that mean, but it seems significant.
"UNITEDHEALTH GROUP CEO HISTORY: FROM BURKE TO HEMSLEY"
https://www.historyoasis.com/post/unitedhealth-group-ceo-history
A bit of history:
The Chief Financial Officer of Arthur Anderson accounting (presciently?) jumped ship in 1997 (shortly before the Enron fraud hit the fan, soon to be followed by the Worldcom fraud, both of which HUGE frauds destroyed the Arthur Anderson accounting firm). "The firm collapsed by mid-2002, as details of its questionable accounting practices for energy company Enron and telecommunications company Worldcom were revealed amid the two high-profile bankruptcies." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen#Collapse
Who was the CFO of Arthur Anderson?
Answer: Stephen Hemsley.
"Hemsley began his career at Arthur Andersen, where he served as Managing Partner and Chief Financial Officer. In 1997, he joined UnitedHealth Group, initially serving in senior financial roles." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Hemsley#Career
Where did Hemsley go?
Answer: to United Health Group!!!
"Stephen J. Hemsley (born June 4, 1952) is an American businessman who is the chair of the board and chief executive officer of UnitedHealth Group Inc."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Hemsley
> "Business Week reported his annual salary as $14,518,164.[9] For 2016, his compensation was estimated at $31.3 million, representing a 55.8 percent increase compared to 2015,[10] which was estimated at $14,500,000 by FierceHealthcare.[11] "
> "According to bizjournals.com the country's highest-paid CEO, Hemsley, made $101.96 million in 2010.[13]"
> "In 2011, he was named the highest paid CEO by Forbes following a large gain in the value of his stock ownership.[14]"
> "In late 2011, Hemsley's most recent annual compensation was estimated by Forbes at $48.8 million."
> "In 2025, following his return as CEO of UnitedHealth Group, Hemsley was awarded a compensation package that included $60 million in stock options"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Hemsley#Compensation
The "news" tells us that Luigi Mangione assassinated United Heath Care exec Brian Thompson.
That must be what happened if they said so on the "news," right? RIGHT?? 😅
All I can really say is that this whole thing has stunk like a cia op from the beginning.
I never thought that Mangione acted alone. Just a cursory evaluation should determine that! He was waiting for the man at such an early hour- how did he even know where and when to find him. I suspected and still do, that the poor victim was doing or going to do something that the corrupt powers didn’t like. And the lapdog media’s lack of curiosity seals it as truth.
Being a full fledged member of the Tin Hat Society, I have to agree this story/incident has to be in the top 10. Bizarre doesn’t even begin to explain it so you have to posit some evil genius element. Add to this the Brian Kholberger incident & one is struck by the sense of ‘what am I seeing here’. I would love to engage in some James Bond like scenario, but my problem is these people can’t even play a good Sean Connery.
Ive thought all of what you said from the very beginning…. The whole thing is suss.
Last December I went to the Mcdonalds in Altoona PA which is 50 miles from me where the so called shooter got arrested at the person that tip off the police never got the FBI reward I left and had a feeling they arrested the wrong person and my neighbor told me when he saw the photo of him before he got supposedly arrested she told me the gunman looks like a female so I can to the conclusion this is some kind of Psy-Op, so none of this is adding up and doesn't passed the smell test.
I always say about these shooting cases that I start from the premise of, "I don't know anything," since I'm (hopefully) never at the scene of the crime. But I will try to follow the cases as they move through discovery and eventual trial. Along the way, I've also learned to say, "I don't know if I'm hearing the truth from anyone." It helps me to better analyze these cases, if I'm interested enough.
I think you might be on to something. But, in regards to your JFK reference, I think the fact that JFK was trying to stop Israel's nuclear weapons testing in Dimona, and his trying to get AIPAC to register as a foreign agent (then known as the American Zionist Council) played a bigger impact on his murder than his trying to pump the breaks on the Vietnam war. https://x.com/MaryKostakidis/status/1879141270028968338
As a mediator, I discovered I was almost always able to surface much more information from disputants than attorneys, courts, etc. John, you also have the curious mind of a mediator that would make you excellent at the task. The challenge is finding the opportunity to open such dialogue with someone like Mangione. Mediation is typically confined to civil matters, though I did have occasion to touch upon criminal matters. (Mediation confidentiality does not hold in criminal situations, so one has to be creative in navigating the legal system.) For the conversation that you would make happen with Mangione, you would have to be "hired" by the defense attorney and thus fall under attorney-client privilege protection. It is something that can be done, it would just take some effort and skill. (Why would an attorney bring you in? To get a deeper, richer narrative with which to defend his client.)
This story was fishy from the beginning (or maybe I’ve just become increasingly cynical and distrusting with age).
I never thought those photos matched and thought that they were two different people.
I am also fairly confident the truth will never fully come out. (See above).
As I've mentioned many times, I love mysteries and "real crime" stories. I like your approach, John. Anyone investigating the guilt or innocence of a party has to be scrupulous in remaining true to facts and open to interpretation. I'm rewatching Poirot, and he's always a delight.
Oh, John!! "...an agency through which $1.52 trillion of federal money flowed in fiscal year 2024, or about 22.5% of all federal spending." I'm boiling inside. I never go to my "Medicare" doctor. I treat myself with herbs and devise my own physical therapy as needed. I wish I could have some of the money I pay into Medicare monthly to defray my very real expenses toward maintaining my health. Good herbal concoctions are expensive, and some work and some don't. I've spent a goodly sum on protecting myself from vaxxed shedders and chemtrails trying a plethora of products.
Thus, my healthcare is privately funded by me. I wish we had a system where money could be available for maintaining health according to the user's preferences. Medicare thinks going to a gym is maintaining your health...which is about all any Medicare plan offers besides lectures on nutrition...which I've studied since my early 20s.
I do use the dental and vision parts of Medicare and keep Medicare for a catastrophic event. The dental and vision payments have significantly decreased in the last two years. I pay more for my glasses now than Medicare does.
Who took his position?
Hedley Rees has an opinion/ info on that.
Think it was Chris Whitty.
Tampon Tim was supposed to do an anti Gun Rant at Minneapolis this morning at the mass shooting presser when they told him “it the shooter” was a Tranny with “Kill Trump” written on his rifle magazine. TT had the Limo do a u Turn back to Democrat Summer Camp.