My colleague from the NYS governor's press corps worked for NPR at the time of the Pentagon crash and was one of the first people on the scene, arriving before the wall collapsed. I was able to interview him. He said that he was paged to go to the scene of an explosion inside of the Pentagon, not an airplane crash; and that when he arrived, he said it did not look like an airplane had crashed. So by this and other indications, there was no airplane; there is no photo of any recognizable wreckage on the ground. No jets or landing gear were recovered (they are titanium and will survive nearly any crash).
They’ve been lying to us for years; to push for NSA citizen surveillance by way of the “Patriot” Act and a pretext to start a proxy war on the so called Axis of evil (which is in reality Bush/Cheny/Mossy/Halliburton Execs). Building 7/Israeli art students/Dancing Israelis know….and we do too…
To explicitly tie Justin's comment to John's claim that this is "strange." No--Not strange--they've been lying.
Why did John come up with such a lame framing? It would have been far more straightforward to conclude "There's no way--it's simply not credible that this is the only footage."
Not true, i saw several photos of pieces of airframe wreckage outside of the pentagon on the lawn. I have to say however, the gatekeepers have done a very poor job of reporting on these events adequately which allow conspiracy theories to erupt like water poured on greek fire. It's almost like they want people to develop these alternate theories...
OK so I shall say to my readers — BREAKING NEWS, ARNOLD F SAYS HE SAW PHOTOS OF THE AIRFRAME. But he cannot produce them, so we have to take his world for it.
There was a congressperson who has said he walked to the site very shortly after it happened and he said he did not see any signs of any airplane wreckage.
the general public is unfortunately being cleaved into two factions on this and multiple issues of importance... like the resurrection of Jesus, covid and the vaccines, the communist conspiracy, the American fascist plot to take over the FDR White House, Pearl Harbor, McCarthy, JFK assassination, TWA 800, etc. There is one truth out there and we need to search for the Truth since its proven that many of history's gatekeepers are proven to be full of crap. The reality is every person has to make their own mind up based on evidence presented.
But let's stop quabbling. I hear very intelligent people on both sides of this conspiracy/non-conspiracy issue, and let's have those who say it wasn't a conspiracy provide us a few photos that are irrefutable. I did my research, and could not find evidence, just like in the government's very poor version of W Trade 7 collapse. I love a good mystery, and I'm open to however it might be resolved definitively. AND, in this case, because it involves lots of real people dying and so much potential espionage with enormous implications to our country, AND when we already know 100% factually there was a layer of conspiracy in that the CIA were allowing the hijackers to operate freely within the US for years while keeping the FBI in the dark, AND, as everyone seems to agree, the government has not been able to provide convincing evidence, this conspiracy, especially, needs the light of day.
April Gallop US Army, was working just feet away from the point of impact. After the explosion she found and retrieved her son from Day Care, and proceeded to leave the building. She clearly stated that she saw nothing at all suggesting an airliner crashed there. No seats, no bodies, no baggage, no landing gear assemblies.
It doesn't look like a Boeing crashed there because a Boeing didn't crash there. Occam applies.
That’s a fair question, and an easy answer. We don’t know, and it doesn’t matter. What matters is that the entity telling the story is notorious for its mendacity, and that there was no Boeing at the Pentagon. The liars lied again, old news. FYI there were some irregular landings at Cleveland that day, deplaning passengers at a NASA facility as I recall. We were all told a story that was not true. Some of us have realized it by now, some never will. Truth has no defense against a fool intent upon believing a lie.
Another one. Because you have no actual answers. You are hilarious! And special! Narcissism—a conviction about one's superiority and entitlement to special treatment—is a robust predictor of belief in conspiracy theories. Narcissism strongly predicts belief in conspiracy theories because it fulfills a narcissist's need for superiority, offering secret knowledge that makes them feel special and smarter than the "fools."
I know that there are numerous witness statements saying that they saw the airliner fly into the Pentagon and I have a hard time reconciling their testimonies with these clips.
CNN's Jamie McIntyre says he saw no pieces of a plane at the Pentagon on 9/11
It's easy to reconcile if you understand the role of paid witnesses. Another example is the "Harley Guy" at WTC. For the cameras, just moments after the events, he summarized a part of "the Official Narrative". Those who perpetrated these events are masters of deception and propaganda. They DO place 'story tellers' in appropriate places to develop and sustain a given narrative.
None of the identifiable parts numbers on the pieces matched the 757 that supposedly crashed. The most comprehensive book I have found is 9/11 Enemies Foreign and Domestic by Edward Hendrie published 2010. Keep those dimensions in mind while looking at the "crash site" at Shanksville, too.
Isn't Hendrie the guy who believes the world is not a globe and does not rotate on its axis? And that the earth and the sun are stationary? And that there are evil forces behind the lies? And something absurd about gravity, I can't remember. And wrote a book about it?
Now that's a hoot!! Yes, I just looked to see about other authors with the same name but might include a middle name or initial, but there aren't any. I looked at the available books on Amazon and there he is---Edward Hendrie as the author of the book I recommended and author of the concepts you recounted. That was a surprise to me. Thanks for pointing that out.
That part of the Pentagon in the years prior went through extensive reinforcing. It would seem obvious that explosives were incorporated when that was going on, these operations are carried out with long lead times.
I had a brother who was a DOD auditor and found a defense contractor stealing millions upon milions in falsified billings. His audit went up in smoke on 9-11 at the Pentagon
I have often heard that explanation, i.e., "the plane ate my audit." But wouldn't the Pentagon keep its financial accounts electronically and with offsite backups?
Correct. The documents were related to the missing $2.3 trillion missing in Pentagon audits. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney was on the track. The day before she deposed Rumsfeld and it was on C-Span. Her auditors were working in the Pentagon that day and most all of the casualties were those congressional auditors.
Actually Congress already knew the funds were missing. As you know the government and congress moves very slowly. McKinney's committee was investigating known facts. Just guessing, they must have known for many months, even years, about the missing funds. It was quite comical, in a perverse sort of way, to see Rumsfeld stonewalling the investigation. He knew what was going to happen the next day, she did not. On the steps outside in front of the cameras, Rumsfeld told the press that Dr. Zakheim was going to get to the bottom of the missing funds. He did not tell the press that Dr. Zakheim was a Brooklyn born dual citizen Rabbi, the Comptroller of the Pentagon in the time leading up to the event.
Yes, AIPAC manipulated the system and unseated McKinney. Get rid of those who ask impertinent questions.
That is the stupidest thing I have read today, and that's saying something. If it was some explosion, whose remains (remember, they were identified as passengers) were recovered from the wreckage. You need to think through your embarrassingly hollow conspiracy theories.
The post event first responders extracted "bodies" Now as to who did the forensics and how were id's made, well that is the story we really haven't been told. If I were, and I was, a very competent trained accident investigator, and had i been at this scene I would have also pulled all video from around the Pentagon two to three dsys on either side of 9-11 and examined those carefully for other clues.
I have never once read of recovered remains nor are there any images of ambulances or hearses at the scene, or any real recovery operation of any kind. Plane crashes have hundreds of personnel on scene for days.
Barbara Olson, wife of U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson was on that plane, her remains were identified and returned to him for decent burial. She made two cell phone calls to her husband during the hijacking, describing the armed hijackers and the chaotic situation, before she died in the crash.
I was flying a lot in the 2000's and you could not make cell phone calls from airplanes, period. Towers were more scarce and the tech was incapable of connecting at high speed and altitude. That call was theater. Neither Barbara Olson nor anyone else could have made a call on that day. If you doubt this, find one civilian, not linked to government, who made a cell call in 2001.
Vogel, Steve (November 21, 2001). "Remains Unidentified For 5 Pentagon Victims; Bodies Were Too Badly Burned, Officials Say". The Washington Post. The rest of the remains were identified forensically and returned to their families. I know how disappointed you must be.
NPR? You have to be kidding. Not exactly a credible source. If there wasn't a plane, what happened to the people who boarded that flight? I know someone who was working for Rumsfeld at the time. He responded to a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Your entire story is ridiculous. You think magic was involved. Abracadabra.
<< If there wasn't a plane, what happened to the people who boarded that flight? >> I guess you have not heard of Operation Northwoods. What makes you think there was a "flight"?
It was a regularly scheduled flight. Now think about how many hundreds of people would have to be in on it to fake the flight, and all the passengers, and all the family and friends of the passengers, the ticket and counter personnel, baggage handlers, air traffic controllers, etc., etc.
Is it so hard to imagine the flight was diverted, landed somewhere else, and the crew and passengers murdered? It's easier to believe a 757 was flown at over 500 Mph at ground level without stalling or breaking up before hitting a target so precisely it boggles the mind and all of this by a hijacker who probably wasnt even close to being well trained enough?
It would be much easier to imagine that the plane and passengers somehow crashed into the ocean. Have you ever tried to give serious thought to the logistics and the number of people who would have to be involved to make a regularly scheduled passenger jet and passengers just disappear? And then the number of people who would know about a missile launch, and one that couldn't be detected?
The trouble with the 9/11 conspiracies is there are a thousand different scenarios - Hijackings/no hijacking, jets/missiles, planted explosives, thermite, holograms. If they could boil it down to ONE THEORY, we could discuss it.
Planes do not "stall" at 500 mph at ANY altitude. What would make the plane break up before hitting the building? The plane that hit the pentagon only had to be at ground level for a few 100 yards or less. They are now talking about some difficult maneuver that the plane did, but if people didn't see the plane, how do they know about any maneuver? Maybe from the flight recorder?
Did any reporter ever talk to the crew of the Minnesota Air National Guard who saw the jet hit the Pentagon? What did the crew say? Their names can be found with an easy search.
I did not get my news from NPR. I got an eyewitness account from a reporter I had known for about 18 years. As an investigative editor I must be proficient in knowing whether people are being honest. I found him to be sincere, especially given that he was supporting my argument that there was no airplane. That is not exactly NPR.
For interesting propaganda on the Pentagon ‘plane’ attack see Sean Ryan’s show interviewing a military clean up guy who said he was there shortly afterward.Ryan himself has been accused of being Mockingbird. Interesting to watch a good liar at work.
By "dear friends" of course you mean the CIA. A creation of the Dulles brothers. Partners with Hitler's Banker Prescott Bush during WWII, a subsidiary of the Rockefellers and their one-world public-private partnership (Fascist) governing model. That created outposts for conducting US policy around the globe, including the very controversial one in the ME. Long a CIA-puppet, regime after regime, party affiliation of no importance, just there for the patina of democracy. Where leaders who try to break from their CIA puppetmasters get the Sharon treatment.
By "dear friends" of course you mean the Bush Crime Syndicate, which includes the capos and family loyalists with names like Cheney, McConnell, Roberts, Rove, Murdoch, Ford, Kristol, Kissinger, Rumsfield, et al.
Because it was an inside job, from top to bottom. Useful to transforming a free nation into a perpetual police surveillance state, shredding the US Constitution and imposing US hegemony across the globe. Necessary to pass the Anti-Constitutional "Patriot Act," repugnant to the Constitution, the name reflecting the adversary, not the protectee, declaration of war against patriotic, constitutionalist Americans.
And anyone who thinks that a puppet state wags the US master dog probably believes that Building Seven came down as a result of debris and vibrations from the buildings that collapsed next them because jet fuel burns so hot.
The Bush family name makes the name and actions of "Benedict Arnold" seem like a little fisticuffs between family. Traitors of extraordinary depraved evil to the United States of America. Enemies within. From Hitler's Banker to Communist China's "Best friends ever in the White House" they can be relied upon to fleece and destroy this once-great nation. Blood money has always been their ticket to fame and fortune. It's in their DNA.
Surprised you didn't mention PNAC and the follow up criminality by Kagan's wife Vicoria Nuland in the Ukraine coup and her role with her non profit present at the Bloomberg School of Public Health Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins Steering Committee plandemic conspirators.
The end game was to bleed this nation dry. Over 10 trillion dollars spent on the illegal unconstitutional undeclared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Over 4 trillion dollars spent on the Covid plandemic. Who were the banksters and corporations and Foundations that profitted while We the People were left to deal with a devalued currency and decimated economy? Largest crimes in history after the Nazi plundering.
Actually, although the whole thing was an inside job, the plane and its passengers were real. The goal was simply to start the war. People get excited by the idea that a missile hit, when the ugly, more boring reality is that a plane slammed into a building and killed everyone on board.
Huge jet engines - nowhere to found. Luggage - none.
Pentagon camera's not recording, other local camera's not recording.
No plane would make that hole(s) through several walls of reinforced contrete.
Guided missile targeted Navy auditors work on finding the missing $ Trillions mentioned Rumsfeld the day before.
Similar to Building 7 that was hit by plane collapsing in free fall destroying the Enron fraud evident and 'plane' demolishing the Canter Fitzgerald floor.
Lucky Larry who got huge double dip insurance claims, fortunately had a dental issue and had to visit the dentist changing his regular routine.
Nothing to see here, just as Bush (s), Chaney, Dov Zokhime, Rumsfeld Brennan et all + the 5 dancing Israel's who swiftly flown home and appeared on TV as hero's and many Bin Laden family who were allowed to fly out when all flights were grounded. and Israeli 'Art Group' who under cover of the Geltin Art project who spent many wiring the towers for the controlled demolition.
Even a certified moron could work soon after attack that was the world of cabal over dangerous people many living in the USA and working for the government and military. Yet they roam free and then came their next mass trauma even the Operation Warp Speed and great PlanScamDemic bioweapon attack.
The jet engines disintegrated, as is always the case in a catastrophic event such as this. Luggage and other identifiable belongings were recovered but had been damaged by the lingering fire that followed the crash. You live in a parallel universe. But what I do not understand is why Bush did not stop Muslim immigration into our country on September 12, 2001, while New York and Arlington were still smoldering. At point we knew all we needed to know about Islam. That is the part of the situation I wonder about to this day, and that is what makes me paranoid about the last 24 years of our history.
Re > " The jet engines disintegrated," lol gotta be joking
I'm happy in logical, realist, flexible and analytical universe.
"An engine that produces 30,000 lbs of thrust and weighs 6,000 lbs.
These engines do just 'disintegrate' nor do aluminium plane bodies go mass concrete wall or huge steel frame of the twin towers. Also jet fuel does not melt steel (thermite can) and there were residues of termite.
These are fairly basic entry level physics unless you are living in a parallel universe.
Since you are such a fan of conspiracies, here is a real one for you to chew on that does not defy physical reality as your earlier opinions seem to do. Start reading at: "They all know. They all knew. Everyone on the left. Every grandee, every premier and governor in the Democrat Party, U.K.’s Labour Party, Canada’s Liberal Party. Every vicious moron that runs the U.N., including the Secretary-General. Every top leftie strategist... ."https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/the-electorate-isnt-5050-the-real-a46
I don't think you understand what happened. Also, remains of all the passengers were recovered and identified. I drove by the next day and could see the actual wreckage from up by Army Navy Drive and Columbia Pike.
Re "I don't think you understand what happened. " lol
" the wings and huge jet engines that would snapped off if a plane body had the body gone through the hole, which it physically couldn't + the plane body wouldn't fit in missile hole).
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Please explain how the wings and engines 'disintegrated'.
Failing that let's agree to disagree and draw a line under this matter.
Those videos were all over local TV in DC and Virginia. From every conceivable viewpoint. For weeks. There also are multiple photographs, everyone in DC with a camera went out there and shot pictures. You could see it from Columbia Pike and Army Navy Drive.
Find ANY of those "local reports" and post them here.
Because I think you are full of crap. 9/11 was never "local news". It was the only story, worldwide, for months afterward. And if there were pics & video of airplane pieces on the pentagon lawn, they would have been plastered everywhere.
So until you can provide material proof of your claims, you're full of crap.
Ok Lydia, this is your gotcha moment. All video footage from all perspectives was confiscated within 45 minutes of impact at the pentagon. Somewhere, there is an interview of witnesses at a nearby gas station who were surprised when agents came and took footage from their systems. I watched that interview in 2001, but have no idea how to find it now. Photographs are also telling. No debris in early shots and then poof! There was an under-sized engine and some luggage on the lawn. You are not supporting what you write with documents which makes you sus.
I drove by there the next day. You could see the airliner outline. It was not a cruise missile. I know several people who worked there. None of them think it was anything but a Boeing 757. And I also know two people who had loved ones aboard that airplane. Where do you think the aircraft went if not into the Pentagon? And where do you think the passengers went?
I lived a mile from the Pentagon on that fateful day. I cannot comment on the training of the pilot nor the path that plane took, but I can verify its existence and the smoke spiraling up from that building as I crossed Chain Bridge. I can also attest to a very worried State Department worker who sat in his car, not knowing what to do - to go to the meeting we had or to return to the building.. The Emergency Manager, Mark Penn, had been appointed to that position September 10th. He did heroic work as did the first responders. The area the plane hit had just been renovated, so its structure was much sturdier than the remainder of the building. The fire risk was from the wood that traversed the roof of the building. The damage, in short, would have been much greater were it not for the strengthening construction that had just been completed. The "how" this was effected may never be known - and I question whether the airport would have had visual sight of the building given all the buildings in Crystal City. And it was an airplane - not a cruise missile. And there wasn't wreckage all over the ground because the plane penetrated the Pentagon with the tail sticking out. Have a large picture of that somewhere - 25 years later. Worked with emergency management and the community and then-Governor Warner's office (volunteer)b for three very long years.
Sorry, I appreciate the eye witness reports and discussions but, where is the video evidence? A 757 is a huge plane. Even at 530 mph we should be able to see something that big hit a reinforced wall. Right?
That's almost the same video I saw on Telegram, except this one shows a large flying object and only for a split second whereas the other one you could see several frames of video of a smaller object.
So the transponder on flight AA77 was turned off at some point after takeoff and reportedly crashed on the Ohio/Kentucky border as reported by law enforcement . This report was quickly squelched and totally suppressed. But law enforcement typically doesn’t fabricate information unless they are ordered to do so. So to me that indicates a coverup. So it is consonant with reality to believe that what local law enforcement reported is true. To me it seems odd but necessary to fit the narrative that ALL passengers on board were killed. But what’s not is clear is whether or not bodies were recovered from the Kentucky site. None at all, not a trace, were found at the Pentagon. The flight manifest is only partially available..more to follow. It’s interesting.
Who told you nothing was found at the Pentagon crash site, and why do you choose to believe it? I remember seeing photos of some plane wreckage back tat the time, and apparently the black box and body parts WERE recovered, with DNA identifying most of them.
Purely speculating; their flight may have turned off transponders, switched transponders after a course correction, then arrived as “a different aircraft”. Or they could have “sacrificed” the entire flight - crew, aircraft, and passengers. With that degree of corruption and deviousness, all is possible. A third option is that they never took off-the flight was a pure fabrication and the plane was simply rolled down the runway to a remote location, passengers and crew gassed or drugged then released. Who knows at this point? I’ll do some digging b/c it’s an interesting question.
You have to use your own logic and common sense to think about the logistics of the details and how many people would have to be in on the deception. After the fact, when thinking about almost 3,000 dead Americans, NOBODY would have enough of a conscience to make an anonymous tip? "Two people can keep a secret, IF ONE OF THEM IS DEAD". All these theories require at least dozens of people in on it, and no actual fight and hijacking would require HUNDREDS of people - NO WAY ON EARTH THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
I used to think that too, but after all the lying, scheming, colluding and censorship that occurred from 2020 til now, I have re thought my view on that. I heard someone once say that where goals align, no conspiracy is necessary though that may not fit with this scenario. It's a shame that we can't trust our government and I'm sure all the trust I had earlier was undeserved as well.
I believe there was a conspiracy. I just don't believe 90+% of the theories. I believe four jets were hijacked, two hit the
Twin Towers. one hit the pentagon and one crashed in a field. I could easily believe that military jets may have shot down the one in PA as the passengers were trying to breech the cabin.
This is old news but just like Lee Harvey and JFK, the entire 9/11 event is sus. The Pentagon is surrounded by cameras but only one video "survived"? More sus. I watched the video years ago and to my eye it was a missile. It clearly was not a large airplane. And if it was, where the hell is all the airplane debris??? It just magically vaporized the way the Twin Towers vaporized?
Like I said, "Sus!"
Really?! A huge 757 comes in at high speed just a few feet off the ground without pancaking into the earth and scattering airplane parts all over the Pentagon? Makes me feel stupid just wasting time talking about it.
I'm more concerned with the psyops that are happening right now. It's far from over.
I imagine several have. Anyone who believes otherwise hasn't even been paying attention.
Obviously, I can't prove it but I would not hesitate to put money that it was an Israeli missile. (Oops... someone is now going to call me anti-semitic. Of course, they will be a "Christian" Zionist.)
Maybe, but Chaney was running the show whilst George Bush was reading 'My pet goat (upside down!) to Children who had been singing Kite hit building! Another occult ritual mass trauma sacrifice and mega multi agenda with criminal agenda's. All the gold stolen from basement of one of the towers with allegedly a J Bush affiliated company involved in the removal.
Well now, that is a rabbit hole most want to pretend does not exist. The simple answer is that 9/11 propelled the US military into the Middle East in service to Israeli ambitions. As regards the Pentagon, the section hit by the missile destroyed records of hundreds of trillions of dollars the Pentagon lost track of, much of which went to Israel. Trillions unaccounted for. Your tax dollar at work.
The ambition was to occupy Afghanistan and then use it as a base to topple Iran. But after 20 years(!) in Afghan, we had to turn tail and run just like in Vietnam. And big bad Iran is still there facing Israel. Oh my!
The official story of the strike on the Pentagon is so full of holes it's laughable. First of all, commercial jets are not designed to fly at speeds greater than 350 mph in the thick atmosphere at sea level. No way could a commercial jet fly at 500 mph at or near sea level, it would break apart!
Second, where are the pieces of the jet in the wreckage? Where are the jet engines, the wing sections, the tail section, the fuselage sections? Where are the passenger bodies (and blood!) and passenger luggage? The story is absurd.
Back in the 1990's after the pilots shut off the autopilot in preparation for landing, the 737 they were flying rolled upside down and flew into the ground in a wooded area near Pittsburgh at 300 mph. There was so much blood in the several acres of woods at the crash site, it was cordoned off as a health hazard. Body parts everywhere, cleanup workers would break down in tears as they worked thru the wreckage. I remember reading about a worker who said, "there was a hand with a ring on it." There was NONE OF THIS at the Pentagon! It's likely the Pentagon was hit by a missile. It certainly was NOT hit by a commercial jet!
"Numerous points based on the physical evidence of the crash site seem to make an overwhelming cumulative case against a 757 having crashed there, provided one ignores the eyewitness evidence. However, most of these points involve some error in evaluating the evidence. Those errors include the following."
'A Boeing 757 could not have executed the attack maneuver'
'Eyewitnesses saw a small plane'
'The Pentagon attack left no aircraft debris'
'Aircraft crashes always leave large debris'
'The Pentagon attack left only a small impact hole'
'The wings of a 757 should have been visible outside the Pentagon'
'Engine parts from the Pentagon crash don't match a 757'
'Standing columns in the Pentagon impact hole preclude the crash of a 757'
'The C-ring punch-out hole was made by a warhead'
'Flight-path obstacles can't be reconciled with the crash of a 757'
'Only A Small Plane or Missile Could Have Caused Pentagon Damage'
'The Pentagon Attack Plane was a Boeing 737 Instead of a Boeing 757'
'The Jetliner that appeared to crash into the Pentagon actually flew over it'
What a stupid post. Do you believe you've presented an argument? Is this list of points designed to create a pile of arguments that you think you've disproven?
"The "no plane" claims were debunked long ago." 😂
LOL no they were not. All of those questions have not been well-answered in any meaningful concrete way.
Having inherent freedoms certainly allows incorrect ideas to propagate. One must consider the seeming authoritarian governmental laws of Germany that made it illegal to deny the Holocaust—perhaps this has a positive outcome in stifling conspiracy theories from growing...this would be an interesting discussion regards to the limits of freedom.
You don’t need to be politically correct with me. There are dozens of unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 but it’s such a sacred cow you get cancelled/censored for even asking said questions!
I've been asking questions publicly since the spring of 2002. I have been cancelled for other things (questioning #metoo and #covid for example) but never for questioning 9/11.
well, we need to know a lot more. there is no proof that such a flight ever existed, and the manifest looked like the plane should be taking off from the pentagon rather than crashing into it. Were these friends involved in government?
Of course Google still insists the Covid shots are safe and effective. They were rigorously tested they say for safety and efficacy and the VAERS database verifies their safety. Does not even mention any potential evidence to the contrary. Nothing to see here. Take your 10th booster like a good corporate citizen and shut up.
It may have been a plane that crashed into the pentagon; however, Google pretty much parrots the official narrative on everything. Zero credibility on COVID during the fake pandemic and now almost 6 years in, so they have zero credibility for me. I would not trust Google or Wikipedia for anything more controversial than “What is the area of Iowa?” or “who is the current coach of Indiana’s college football team?”
Not just Google, but Politifact, Popular Mechanics, the Associated Press. Thousands of on the ground eyewitnesses, the local police dept, the coroner, American Airlines, all the families of the passengers with DNA evidence.
That's because the Feds, or whoever, went round to all the local businesses and confiscated any video they might have. Many of them testified to this but it was not included in the official report.
I watched a documentary over 20 years ago where they went to all the local gas stations and stores that had videos and interviewed them. Their responses didn't match the official story so I'm sure you won't find it now.
Interesting, because I heard that there were no wings found on the ground! It could only have been a missile that hit the very spot where major records were kept related to the disappearance of billions.
No, the hole cutout is explained when you actually look at the evidence. Most people making the claim of "no wings" have not looked closely. And they haven't because it's a lot to get through.
Proponents of the no-Boeing theory have made the following claims about the damage to the Pentagon's facade:
1. There was only one impact hole measuring no more than 18 feet across.
2. The impact hole was at most 65 feet across.
3. Standing columns remained where heavy 757 parts should have obliterated them.
4. The hole was too small to accommodate wing ends and tail.
Claim 1 is based on the selective presentation of photographs in which fire retardant spray obscures the entire first floor. Claim 2 is based on the fallacy that the distance between the expansion joints bounding the collapsed region of the facade marked the maximum extent of impact punctures. Post-crash photographs clearly show impact punctures extending over twenty feet to the right and to the left of the expansion joints.
Claim 3 is based on the confusion of hanging sections of the second floor for columns. Claim 4 is true, but consistent with the crash of a 757 whose wing ends and tail are too light to puncture the Pentagon's walls.
It wasn't a missile. Real people were in a real plane and it crashed directly into the reinforced wall of the Pentagon - they were essentially vaporized on impact.
It’s well established that it was a cruise missile. Still it is important to continually bring these subjects up to enlighten people who may be seeing it for the first time. In official circles they tell us that a guy that could barely fly a single engine plane was able to perform a very difficult corkscrew dive in a large jet and hit the pentagon just a few feet above the grass. And most cameras were turned off that day by coincidence.
The theory is a cruise missile could fly like a jet plane, come in low from a great distance away so as not to detect its launch. I urge people to do their own research from multiple sources and come to their own conclusions. Also see how mainstream reports changed in the first couple days to come up with one official narrative.
Literally dozens of people saw the jet before it hit the Pentagon. I read many of the 87 listed reports. They were interviewed in the days after the event. Most of them saw it flying low, headed toward the Pentagon and then saw and heard the explosion.
I read many of the responses and there was understandably a lot of confusion. You have something flying at 500 miles an hour that you only see for a second or two at most. There was a lot of confusion about what they saw. At least one even commented: Where is the wreckage? A building does not eat a plane. Clearly if it was a 757 there would a wing tip or a tail section snapped off when hitting the building. Common sense. There are no photos showing a wing or tail section. It shows absolutely nothing. The theory of a cruise missile flying at 500 miles in your line of site for a second or two could resemble a plane conceivably. Plus the power of suggestion as you are hearing news reports. Also like the 911 commission purposely omitted reports that did not agree with the official narrative. Not sure if these were random because I heard eyewitness reports that said they saw no plane.
Show me one pentagon photo that shows plane parts scattered. Planes are made very thin. If they hit a solid wall debris would be flying off everywhere. Also it is too structurally weak to penetrate much of the building. This event kicked off a doubling of our defense budget, the Patriot Act (which was already written), wars across the Middle East for bogus reasons. Many people were enriched by these big lies.
Not seeing plane wreckage at the pentagon in any of those photos. A couple photos showed random plane wreckage but no pentagon in the photo. You need to have both in the photo to establish linkage. Where is a photo of a snapped off wing or tail section at the pentagon? I know it is hard to believe that elements of our government would make up an elaborate lie, but this the world we live in. A world run by psychopaths.
I don't have the exact names of the individuals who identified the wreckage, but there were hundreds of eyewitness investigators on the ground who discovered the wreckage, the remains of the passengers, their DNA also. I did a search however, and here are the investigators, a lengthy list. If you want to call all these people conspirators and liars, then you're beyond help. https://share.google/aimode/FJ8Ii8MExNgiBSIuI
AI uses mainstream media reports especially Google. That link is totally bogus. Anyone that has done any amount of research knows the official narrative of all the 9/11 events were fiction. Of course I may be talking to a bot. There never was plane debris found in the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania.
Popular Mechanics might not be an objective source of information. Jim Meigs, who has appeared as an authority or historian in various TV documentaries, is the former editor of Popular Mechanics magazine. He's a member of the Manhattan Institute, which is chaired by multi-billionaire Betsy Devos. SourceWatch describes the MI as a right-wing, pro-privatization, corporate front group which is funded by many tax-exempt foundations set up by billionaires. It says the MI is not required to reveal its funders, but SourceWatch has found many of them and lists those on the site. Some of these corporate fronts also sponsor programs on PBS and NPR. The Koch brothers and ALEC are two notables associated with the MI.
No, it's not. Missiles, small planes, no planes, etc. were debunked long ago.
Pentagon Attack Errors
Numerous points based on the physical evidence of the crash site seem to make an overwhelming cumulative case against a 757 having crashed there, provided one ignores the eyewitness evidence. However, most of these points involve some error in evaluating the evidence. Those errors include the following -
'A Boeing 757 could not have executed the attack maneuver'
'Eyewitnesses saw a small plane'
'The Pentagon attack left no aircraft debris'
'Aircraft crashes always leave large debris'
'The Pentagon attack left only a small impact hole'
'The wings of a 757 should have been visible outside the Pentagon'
'Engine parts from the Pentagon crash don't match a 757'
'Standing columns in the Pentagon impact hole preclude the crash of a 757'
'The C-ring punch-out hole was made by a warhead'
'Flight-path obstacles can't be reconciled with the crash of a 757'
'Only A Small Plane or Missile Could Have Caused Pentagon Damage'
'The Pentagon Attack Plane was a Boeing 737 Instead of a Boeing 757'
'The Jetliner that appeared to crash into the Pentagon actually flew over it'
Your link is spot on. The mainstream narrative is totally impossible. Most evidence points to a cruise missile, or a missile and some well placed explosives.
yep. same here. The USA has not been one of the good guys for a long time. JFK saw this, saw that the monster that Truman had created (which he later regretted) called the CIA was indeed a monster and threatened to break it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the four winds. And look what happened to JFK
If it didn't hit the Pentagon and that was some other object instead, then what happened to the aircraft and all those people? Buried in the sand outside Las Vegas? This is the very first I've ever heard of a "corkscrew maneuver". Sounds like someone's opinion, since this story doesn't offer any backup. If they have video or a radar record of such a maneuver, then right there is the proof of it being this aircraft. I dunno, this whole article reeks of fish. When it first happened, people were claiming that it was all faked, even with the pictures of all the aircraft wreckage inside that big hole in the Pentagon. Wrecked jet engines were visible and the 64 aircraft occupants bodies were recovered.
The goal of the "no plane" claims was to make those questioning the official story look like nutcases, and not at all interested in what happened to the passengers in their assertions.
I find it interesting that comments here are diametrically split on this issue—no middle ground. There are hard core "I know the truth and you are an idiot if you disagree with me" on both sides of the equation. I find this very disturbing that truth on this issue appears to be so open to interpretation. I interpret this as meaning both that the government and its mainstream news mouthpieces have lost all authority to convey truth to American public. This is worrisome as with the rise of manipulative AI, its only going to get worse.
Why is so much time, trouble and ink wasted on the details or exactly how it was done, when we should be trying to find out who was behind it?
Also, why does everyone seem to think conspiracy theories have to be complicated? The simplest explanation, four hijacked jets did all the damage, or missiles, explosives, or anything else could be possible, but it gets us no closer to the people behind it all.
The evidence is unequivocally clear. There was NO plane that "crashed " into the Pentagon. Immediately after the so called plane crash the FBI confiscated any and all security camera feeds anywhere near the Pentagon. Not to mention there was absolutely zero evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon no debris whatsoever. Where did the plane go?
It is (evidence=clear) but there are folks who trust the Govt. As evidenced by the whole convid shot thing. I believe the overriding motive was population control-these shots are causing HUGE sterile populations. ED is normalised, viagra is normalised, there are commercials now, there never used to be.
David Chandler, a prominent 911 researcher "decurved" the security hut footage. In the corrected footage, a plane was revealed with the correct colours rather than a white streak. If he's still around he'll be open to emails. I don't have the link to the footage though, anybody here?
How the “students” with hundred of boxes of explosives were in the basement for weeks prior. Then the security cameras not working during the same time. Don’t forget the testimonials of the witnesses and first responders. Also the dancing Jews and how Israel rejoiced at the news.
But the smoking gun is the man who stood to actually profit off the insurance claim. Of course a Jew who just purchased the policies and made millions off of old buildings that were full of asbestos and would cost a fortune to renovate.
Then look at the government who stood to profit off the “patriot” act that robbed Americans of their liberties.
It’s one big scam like everything else that profits the oppressors at the expense of the oppressed. No different than the covid scam…
An airliner at full speed crashing into a hardened building won't produce identical photos to a plane crashing in a field. Use your brain. Those who don't believe the crash have no explanation why the entire military, press, FBI, and thousands of eyewitness of citizens would all collude together in a conspiracy to fabricate this crash. Why on earth would they, how could they, and a collusion of that magnitude is simply impossible
That’s because it wasnt a plane; it was a hypersonic cruise missile made by our dear friends….
My colleague from the NYS governor's press corps worked for NPR at the time of the Pentagon crash and was one of the first people on the scene, arriving before the wall collapsed. I was able to interview him. He said that he was paged to go to the scene of an explosion inside of the Pentagon, not an airplane crash; and that when he arrived, he said it did not look like an airplane had crashed. So by this and other indications, there was no airplane; there is no photo of any recognizable wreckage on the ground. No jets or landing gear were recovered (they are titanium and will survive nearly any crash).
They’ve been lying to us for years; to push for NSA citizen surveillance by way of the “Patriot” Act and a pretext to start a proxy war on the so called Axis of evil (which is in reality Bush/Cheny/Mossy/Halliburton Execs). Building 7/Israeli art students/Dancing Israelis know….and we do too…
To explicitly tie Justin's comment to John's claim that this is "strange." No--Not strange--they've been lying.
Why did John come up with such a lame framing? It would have been far more straightforward to conclude "There's no way--it's simply not credible that this is the only footage."
Substack is wide open start your own non-"lame framing "
John is a consummate true-crime author. I expect much more from him.
ITS CALLED RESTRUCTURED GASLIGHTING.
9-11 was an inside job and every element of the government narrative is a complete lie. https://larrykaifesh.substack.com/p/9-11-a-day-of-treason-updated-with
Not true, i saw several photos of pieces of airframe wreckage outside of the pentagon on the lawn. I have to say however, the gatekeepers have done a very poor job of reporting on these events adequately which allow conspiracy theories to erupt like water poured on greek fire. It's almost like they want people to develop these alternate theories...
OK so I shall say to my readers — BREAKING NEWS, ARNOLD F SAYS HE SAW PHOTOS OF THE AIRFRAME. But he cannot produce them, so we have to take his world for it.
There was a congressperson who has said he walked to the site very shortly after it happened and he said he did not see any signs of any airplane wreckage.
I saw it and good enough for me. do your own research sir.
hahahahah! Puuh leeze. When you hand someone that cliche, you should know who they are. But hey point taken.
the general public is unfortunately being cleaved into two factions on this and multiple issues of importance... like the resurrection of Jesus, covid and the vaccines, the communist conspiracy, the American fascist plot to take over the FDR White House, Pearl Harbor, McCarthy, JFK assassination, TWA 800, etc. There is one truth out there and we need to search for the Truth since its proven that many of history's gatekeepers are proven to be full of crap. The reality is every person has to make their own mind up based on evidence presented.
You likely would have missed.
The proof is done forensically with chain of custody. Remember, 9-11 at the Pentagon was a crime scene.
Poor is an understatement.
Even the AP "fact check" only shows two photos of wreckage, and these could not look more suspiciously like photo-op's:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-911-pentagon-airplane-debris-598153051732?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share
Why could they not just show some photos of the wreckage across the landscape? Why are there not 100's of photos on the internet?
And the FBI's own "vault" of 9/11 images has not one photo that has naked eye evidence of plane debris on the site.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11-attacks-investigation-and-related-materials/9-11-images
But let's stop quabbling. I hear very intelligent people on both sides of this conspiracy/non-conspiracy issue, and let's have those who say it wasn't a conspiracy provide us a few photos that are irrefutable. I did my research, and could not find evidence, just like in the government's very poor version of W Trade 7 collapse. I love a good mystery, and I'm open to however it might be resolved definitively. AND, in this case, because it involves lots of real people dying and so much potential espionage with enormous implications to our country, AND when we already know 100% factually there was a layer of conspiracy in that the CIA were allowing the hijackers to operate freely within the US for years while keeping the FBI in the dark, AND, as everyone seems to agree, the government has not been able to provide convincing evidence, this conspiracy, especially, needs the light of day.
April Gallop US Army, was working just feet away from the point of impact. After the explosion she found and retrieved her son from Day Care, and proceeded to leave the building. She clearly stated that she saw nothing at all suggesting an airliner crashed there. No seats, no bodies, no baggage, no landing gear assemblies.
It doesn't look like a Boeing crashed there because a Boeing didn't crash there. Occam applies.
OK, then, where did the Boeing aircraft that took off from Dulles go, and where are its passengers?
That’s a fair question, and an easy answer. We don’t know, and it doesn’t matter. What matters is that the entity telling the story is notorious for its mendacity, and that there was no Boeing at the Pentagon. The liars lied again, old news. FYI there were some irregular landings at Cleveland that day, deplaning passengers at a NASA facility as I recall. We were all told a story that was not true. Some of us have realized it by now, some never will. Truth has no defense against a fool intent upon believing a lie.
Another one. Because you have no actual answers. You are hilarious! And special! Narcissism—a conviction about one's superiority and entitlement to special treatment—is a robust predictor of belief in conspiracy theories. Narcissism strongly predicts belief in conspiracy theories because it fulfills a narcissist's need for superiority, offering secret knowledge that makes them feel special and smarter than the "fools."
This lady.
Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9hjB3DGk
I know that there are numerous witness statements saying that they saw the airliner fly into the Pentagon and I have a hard time reconciling their testimonies with these clips.
CNN's Jamie McIntyre says he saw no pieces of a plane at the Pentagon on 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVP0v1px708
Lt. Robert Medairos didn't see any pieces, ABC, 15:25, 9/13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93rTlfo8dZ4
It's easy to reconcile if you understand the role of paid witnesses. Another example is the "Harley Guy" at WTC. For the cameras, just moments after the events, he summarized a part of "the Official Narrative". Those who perpetrated these events are masters of deception and propaganda. They DO place 'story tellers' in appropriate places to develop and sustain a given narrative.
There is a clip of the media who were there, saying on camera, that there were no visible aircraft pieces to be seen.
Yes saw some of those too but as with NYC did the evidence match the imvoice build? I am of the Scott Ritter camp of how you prove what is, is.
YOU KEEP BUYING A TICKET TO THESE NWO PROPLES SHOW, THAT'S ON YOU.
BUT I CONSIDER YOU TO BE DANGEROUS AND NOT TRUSTWORTHY.
DID YOU GET SHOTS?
friend, all caps is not persuasive.
GET OUT of here. Where's the pics?
None of the identifiable parts numbers on the pieces matched the 757 that supposedly crashed. The most comprehensive book I have found is 9/11 Enemies Foreign and Domestic by Edward Hendrie published 2010. Keep those dimensions in mind while looking at the "crash site" at Shanksville, too.
David Ray Griffins book is a must read as well.
All he does is give the facts of what happened, what didn't happen and what proceedures should have happened, but did not.
The fact that ALL of the S.O.P's in place for such an event were either shut down or failed on the day, leads to one terrifying conclusion.
Isn't Hendrie the guy who believes the world is not a globe and does not rotate on its axis? And that the earth and the sun are stationary? And that there are evil forces behind the lies? And something absurd about gravity, I can't remember. And wrote a book about it?
Now that's a hoot!! Yes, I just looked to see about other authors with the same name but might include a middle name or initial, but there aren't any. I looked at the available books on Amazon and there he is---Edward Hendrie as the author of the book I recommended and author of the concepts you recounted. That was a surprise to me. Thanks for pointing that out.
That part of the Pentagon in the years prior went through extensive reinforcing. It would seem obvious that explosives were incorporated when that was going on, these operations are carried out with long lead times.
There were documents the Feds wanted destroyed placed in that Pentagon target zone.
I had a brother who was a DOD auditor and found a defense contractor stealing millions upon milions in falsified billings. His audit went up in smoke on 9-11 at the Pentagon
I have often heard that explanation, i.e., "the plane ate my audit." But wouldn't the Pentagon keep its financial accounts electronically and with offsite backups?
How many financial audits has the Pentagon passed since 9-11?
Correct. The documents were related to the missing $2.3 trillion missing in Pentagon audits. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney was on the track. The day before she deposed Rumsfeld and it was on C-Span. Her auditors were working in the Pentagon that day and most all of the casualties were those congressional auditors.
Docs were also blown up in OK City bombing. HRC evidence ?
Aha, thanks. I have a clear mental picture of ‘Rummy’ telling a panel that the money was missing.
How long did Mrs McKinney last?
Actually Congress already knew the funds were missing. As you know the government and congress moves very slowly. McKinney's committee was investigating known facts. Just guessing, they must have known for many months, even years, about the missing funds. It was quite comical, in a perverse sort of way, to see Rumsfeld stonewalling the investigation. He knew what was going to happen the next day, she did not. On the steps outside in front of the cameras, Rumsfeld told the press that Dr. Zakheim was going to get to the bottom of the missing funds. He did not tell the press that Dr. Zakheim was a Brooklyn born dual citizen Rabbi, the Comptroller of the Pentagon in the time leading up to the event.
Yes, AIPAC manipulated the system and unseated McKinney. Get rid of those who ask impertinent questions.
That is the stupidest thing I have read today, and that's saying something. If it was some explosion, whose remains (remember, they were identified as passengers) were recovered from the wreckage. You need to think through your embarrassingly hollow conspiracy theories.
Show us a source for "recovered remains".
The post event first responders extracted "bodies" Now as to who did the forensics and how were id's made, well that is the story we really haven't been told. If I were, and I was, a very competent trained accident investigator, and had i been at this scene I would have also pulled all video from around the Pentagon two to three dsys on either side of 9-11 and examined those carefully for other clues.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110513132259/http://www.dcmilitary.com:80/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml
I have never once read of recovered remains nor are there any images of ambulances or hearses at the scene, or any real recovery operation of any kind. Plane crashes have hundreds of personnel on scene for days.
Barbara Olson, wife of U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson was on that plane, her remains were identified and returned to him for decent burial. She made two cell phone calls to her husband during the hijacking, describing the armed hijackers and the chaotic situation, before she died in the crash.
I was flying a lot in the 2000's and you could not make cell phone calls from airplanes, period. Towers were more scarce and the tech was incapable of connecting at high speed and altitude. That call was theater. Neither Barbara Olson nor anyone else could have made a call on that day. If you doubt this, find one civilian, not linked to government, who made a cell call in 2001.
Vogel, Steve (November 21, 2001). "Remains Unidentified For 5 Pentagon Victims; Bodies Were Too Badly Burned, Officials Say". The Washington Post. The rest of the remains were identified forensically and returned to their families. I know how disappointed you must be.
Cada loco con su tema.https://web.archive.org/web/20110513132259/http://www.dcmilitary.com:80/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml
NPR? You have to be kidding. Not exactly a credible source. If there wasn't a plane, what happened to the people who boarded that flight? I know someone who was working for Rumsfeld at the time. He responded to a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Your entire story is ridiculous. You think magic was involved. Abracadabra.
<< If there wasn't a plane, what happened to the people who boarded that flight? >> I guess you have not heard of Operation Northwoods. What makes you think there was a "flight"?
It was a regularly scheduled flight. Now think about how many hundreds of people would have to be in on it to fake the flight, and all the passengers, and all the family and friends of the passengers, the ticket and counter personnel, baggage handlers, air traffic controllers, etc., etc.
Is it so hard to imagine the flight was diverted, landed somewhere else, and the crew and passengers murdered? It's easier to believe a 757 was flown at over 500 Mph at ground level without stalling or breaking up before hitting a target so precisely it boggles the mind and all of this by a hijacker who probably wasnt even close to being well trained enough?
It would be much easier to imagine that the plane and passengers somehow crashed into the ocean. Have you ever tried to give serious thought to the logistics and the number of people who would have to be involved to make a regularly scheduled passenger jet and passengers just disappear? And then the number of people who would know about a missile launch, and one that couldn't be detected?
The trouble with the 9/11 conspiracies is there are a thousand different scenarios - Hijackings/no hijacking, jets/missiles, planted explosives, thermite, holograms. If they could boil it down to ONE THEORY, we could discuss it.
Planes do not "stall" at 500 mph at ANY altitude. What would make the plane break up before hitting the building? The plane that hit the pentagon only had to be at ground level for a few 100 yards or less. They are now talking about some difficult maneuver that the plane did, but if people didn't see the plane, how do they know about any maneuver? Maybe from the flight recorder?
Did any reporter ever talk to the crew of the Minnesota Air National Guard who saw the jet hit the Pentagon? What did the crew say? Their names can be found with an easy search.
I did not get my news from NPR. I got an eyewitness account from a reporter I had known for about 18 years. As an investigative editor I must be proficient in knowing whether people are being honest. I found him to be sincere, especially given that he was supporting my argument that there was no airplane. That is not exactly NPR.
Two cuckoos in the same nest!!! Bwahahaha. Pure NPR.
Really? You've read about a conversation between two reporters off-air related to NPR? Please provide a clipping.
Now you really are hallucinating. I said nothing of the kind.
For interesting propaganda on the Pentagon ‘plane’ attack see Sean Ryan’s show interviewing a military clean up guy who said he was there shortly afterward.Ryan himself has been accused of being Mockingbird. Interesting to watch a good liar at work.
The military clean up guy who saw no aircraft debris at the scene?
And went on to work in crash investigation, which reinforced his belief that no aircraft hit the building.
On Sean Ryan Show he was claiming it had been a plane…
9-11 was an inside job and every element of the government narrative is a complete lie. https://larrykaifesh.substack.com/p/9-11-a-day-of-treason-updated-with
By "dear friends" of course you mean the CIA. A creation of the Dulles brothers. Partners with Hitler's Banker Prescott Bush during WWII, a subsidiary of the Rockefellers and their one-world public-private partnership (Fascist) governing model. That created outposts for conducting US policy around the globe, including the very controversial one in the ME. Long a CIA-puppet, regime after regime, party affiliation of no importance, just there for the patina of democracy. Where leaders who try to break from their CIA puppetmasters get the Sharon treatment.
By "dear friends" of course you mean the Bush Crime Syndicate, which includes the capos and family loyalists with names like Cheney, McConnell, Roberts, Rove, Murdoch, Ford, Kristol, Kissinger, Rumsfield, et al.
Because it was an inside job, from top to bottom. Useful to transforming a free nation into a perpetual police surveillance state, shredding the US Constitution and imposing US hegemony across the globe. Necessary to pass the Anti-Constitutional "Patriot Act," repugnant to the Constitution, the name reflecting the adversary, not the protectee, declaration of war against patriotic, constitutionalist Americans.
And anyone who thinks that a puppet state wags the US master dog probably believes that Building Seven came down as a result of debris and vibrations from the buildings that collapsed next them because jet fuel burns so hot.
The Bush family name makes the name and actions of "Benedict Arnold" seem like a little fisticuffs between family. Traitors of extraordinary depraved evil to the United States of America. Enemies within. From Hitler's Banker to Communist China's "Best friends ever in the White House" they can be relied upon to fleece and destroy this once-great nation. Blood money has always been their ticket to fame and fortune. It's in their DNA.
Surprised you didn't mention PNAC and the follow up criminality by Kagan's wife Vicoria Nuland in the Ukraine coup and her role with her non profit present at the Bloomberg School of Public Health Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins Steering Committee plandemic conspirators.
The end game was to bleed this nation dry. Over 10 trillion dollars spent on the illegal unconstitutional undeclared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Over 4 trillion dollars spent on the Covid plandemic. Who were the banksters and corporations and Foundations that profitted while We the People were left to deal with a devalued currency and decimated economy? Largest crimes in history after the Nazi plundering.
Nazi plundering looks like the work of pikers in comparison. Technological advances = Optimized criminal efficiency.
https://u-mercari-images.mercdn.net/photos/m38904672132_1.jpg
Actually, although the whole thing was an inside job, the plane and its passengers were real. The goal was simply to start the war. People get excited by the idea that a missile hit, when the ugly, more boring reality is that a plane slammed into a building and killed everyone on board.
https://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/parts.html
Where was the wreckage and body parts? Why was there not wreckage all over the grounds?
Huge jet engines - nowhere to found. Luggage - none.
Pentagon camera's not recording, other local camera's not recording.
No plane would make that hole(s) through several walls of reinforced contrete.
Guided missile targeted Navy auditors work on finding the missing $ Trillions mentioned Rumsfeld the day before.
Similar to Building 7 that was hit by plane collapsing in free fall destroying the Enron fraud evident and 'plane' demolishing the Canter Fitzgerald floor.
Lucky Larry who got huge double dip insurance claims, fortunately had a dental issue and had to visit the dentist changing his regular routine.
Nothing to see here, just as Bush (s), Chaney, Dov Zokhime, Rumsfeld Brennan et all + the 5 dancing Israel's who swiftly flown home and appeared on TV as hero's and many Bin Laden family who were allowed to fly out when all flights were grounded. and Israeli 'Art Group' who under cover of the Geltin Art project who spent many wiring the towers for the controlled demolition.
Even a certified moron could work soon after attack that was the world of cabal over dangerous people many living in the USA and working for the government and military. Yet they roam free and then came their next mass trauma even the Operation Warp Speed and great PlanScamDemic bioweapon attack.
The jet engines disintegrated, as is always the case in a catastrophic event such as this. Luggage and other identifiable belongings were recovered but had been damaged by the lingering fire that followed the crash. You live in a parallel universe. But what I do not understand is why Bush did not stop Muslim immigration into our country on September 12, 2001, while New York and Arlington were still smoldering. At point we knew all we needed to know about Islam. That is the part of the situation I wonder about to this day, and that is what makes me paranoid about the last 24 years of our history.
Re > " The jet engines disintegrated," lol gotta be joking
I'm happy in logical, realist, flexible and analytical universe.
"An engine that produces 30,000 lbs of thrust and weighs 6,000 lbs.
These engines do just 'disintegrate' nor do aluminium plane bodies go mass concrete wall or huge steel frame of the twin towers. Also jet fuel does not melt steel (thermite can) and there were residues of termite.
These are fairly basic entry level physics unless you are living in a parallel universe.
Since you are such a fan of conspiracies, here is a real one for you to chew on that does not defy physical reality as your earlier opinions seem to do. Start reading at: "They all know. They all knew. Everyone on the left. Every grandee, every premier and governor in the Democrat Party, U.K.’s Labour Party, Canada’s Liberal Party. Every vicious moron that runs the U.N., including the Secretary-General. Every top leftie strategist... ."https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/the-electorate-isnt-5050-the-real-a46
If the engines get disintegrated. what burns hotter than jet fuel? Why don't they disintegrate flying around over the ocean?
The 500 mph speed hitting a solid surface does disintegrate jet engines. I'm pretty sure they even have rocket sled test videos showing that.
Building 7 was not hit by a plane. Controlled demolition,for sure.
I don't think you understand what happened. Also, remains of all the passengers were recovered and identified. I drove by the next day and could see the actual wreckage from up by Army Navy Drive and Columbia Pike.
Re "I don't think you understand what happened. " lol
" the wings and huge jet engines that would snapped off if a plane body had the body gone through the hole, which it physically couldn't + the plane body wouldn't fit in missile hole).
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Please explain how the wings and engines 'disintegrated'.
Failing that let's agree to disagree and draw a line under this matter.
Jajaja. What hole? Are you hallucinating? About something you'e never witnessed?
why weren’t there more videos of what you saw?
Those videos were all over local TV in DC and Virginia. From every conceivable viewpoint. For weeks. There also are multiple photographs, everyone in DC with a camera went out there and shot pictures. You could see it from Columbia Pike and Army Navy Drive.
Find ANY of those "local reports" and post them here.
Because I think you are full of crap. 9/11 was never "local news". It was the only story, worldwide, for months afterward. And if there were pics & video of airplane pieces on the pentagon lawn, they would have been plastered everywhere.
So until you can provide material proof of your claims, you're full of crap.
Ok Lydia, this is your gotcha moment. All video footage from all perspectives was confiscated within 45 minutes of impact at the pentagon. Somewhere, there is an interview of witnesses at a nearby gas station who were surprised when agents came and took footage from their systems. I watched that interview in 2001, but have no idea how to find it now. Photographs are also telling. No debris in early shots and then poof! There was an under-sized engine and some luggage on the lawn. You are not supporting what you write with documents which makes you sus.
Inside job, for sure. Got thermite?
Ditto, exactly correct!
I drove by there the next day. You could see the airliner outline. It was not a cruise missile. I know several people who worked there. None of them think it was anything but a Boeing 757. And I also know two people who had loved ones aboard that airplane. Where do you think the aircraft went if not into the Pentagon? And where do you think the passengers went?
I lived a mile from the Pentagon on that fateful day. I cannot comment on the training of the pilot nor the path that plane took, but I can verify its existence and the smoke spiraling up from that building as I crossed Chain Bridge. I can also attest to a very worried State Department worker who sat in his car, not knowing what to do - to go to the meeting we had or to return to the building.. The Emergency Manager, Mark Penn, had been appointed to that position September 10th. He did heroic work as did the first responders. The area the plane hit had just been renovated, so its structure was much sturdier than the remainder of the building. The fire risk was from the wood that traversed the roof of the building. The damage, in short, would have been much greater were it not for the strengthening construction that had just been completed. The "how" this was effected may never be known - and I question whether the airport would have had visual sight of the building given all the buildings in Crystal City. And it was an airplane - not a cruise missile. And there wasn't wreckage all over the ground because the plane penetrated the Pentagon with the tail sticking out. Have a large picture of that somewhere - 25 years later. Worked with emergency management and the community and then-Governor Warner's office (volunteer)b for three very long years.
No - you don't have a picture of that somewhere. You're lying.
https://www.reddit.com/r/911archive/comments/1fbpj7k/single_frame_of_camera_capturing_aa77_in_its/#:~:text=I%20stumbled%20across%20this%20image,insane%20angle%20of%20the%20plane.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-911-pentagon-airplane-debris-598153051732?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share
That's the video I've seen, can anyone freeze frame it so we can see the plane, and not just the white vapor that doesn't resemble a plane?
Here's a freeze frame. Also, read all the comments, the plane hit power poles, antenna's, trees, all before the pentagon. Hundreds of eyewitness that saw the plane also. https://www.reddit.com/r/911archive/comments/1fbpj7k/single_frame_of_camera_capturing_aa77_in_its/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Plane seems super imposed. Sorry not quite authentic
https://share.google/aimode/DN8TKa3aABALDkU8s
Confirms the security cameras caught the plane flying into the building.
Sorry, I appreciate the eye witness reports and discussions but, where is the video evidence? A 757 is a huge plane. Even at 530 mph we should be able to see something that big hit a reinforced wall. Right?
Fake news. very little hastily planted debris, no engines or baggage....
They found the entire plane, much of it pulverized, they found the remains of the passengers. They found the engines.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jul/19/instagram-posts/human-remains-aircraft-debris-recovered-from-911-c/
https://share.google/aimode/opsUMyy20QXAVvEYi You're wrong.
Cada loco con su tema.
LOL okay those AP reporters sure sniffed out the truth! 😂😂😂😂
That's almost the same video I saw on Telegram, except this one shows a large flying object and only for a split second whereas the other one you could see several frames of video of a smaller object.
https://www.reddit.com/r/911archive/comments/1fbpj7k/single_frame_of_camera_capturing_aa77_in_its/#:~:text=I%20stumbled%20across%20this%20image,insane%20angle%20of%20the%20plane.
Or something else.
So what happened to the regularly scheduled passenger jet and passengers that took off that morning?
So the transponder on flight AA77 was turned off at some point after takeoff and reportedly crashed on the Ohio/Kentucky border as reported by law enforcement . This report was quickly squelched and totally suppressed. But law enforcement typically doesn’t fabricate information unless they are ordered to do so. So to me that indicates a coverup. So it is consonant with reality to believe that what local law enforcement reported is true. To me it seems odd but necessary to fit the narrative that ALL passengers on board were killed. But what’s not is clear is whether or not bodies were recovered from the Kentucky site. None at all, not a trace, were found at the Pentagon. The flight manifest is only partially available..more to follow. It’s interesting.
Who told you nothing was found at the Pentagon crash site, and why do you choose to believe it? I remember seeing photos of some plane wreckage back tat the time, and apparently the black box and body parts WERE recovered, with DNA identifying most of them.
Purely speculating; their flight may have turned off transponders, switched transponders after a course correction, then arrived as “a different aircraft”. Or they could have “sacrificed” the entire flight - crew, aircraft, and passengers. With that degree of corruption and deviousness, all is possible. A third option is that they never took off-the flight was a pure fabrication and the plane was simply rolled down the runway to a remote location, passengers and crew gassed or drugged then released. Who knows at this point? I’ll do some digging b/c it’s an interesting question.
You have to use your own logic and common sense to think about the logistics of the details and how many people would have to be in on the deception. After the fact, when thinking about almost 3,000 dead Americans, NOBODY would have enough of a conscience to make an anonymous tip? "Two people can keep a secret, IF ONE OF THEM IS DEAD". All these theories require at least dozens of people in on it, and no actual fight and hijacking would require HUNDREDS of people - NO WAY ON EARTH THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
I used to think that too, but after all the lying, scheming, colluding and censorship that occurred from 2020 til now, I have re thought my view on that. I heard someone once say that where goals align, no conspiracy is necessary though that may not fit with this scenario. It's a shame that we can't trust our government and I'm sure all the trust I had earlier was undeserved as well.
I believe there was a conspiracy. I just don't believe 90+% of the theories. I believe four jets were hijacked, two hit the
Twin Towers. one hit the pentagon and one crashed in a field. I could easily believe that military jets may have shot down the one in PA as the passengers were trying to breech the cabin.
I also suspect that Israel was involved.
I just verified what you said. Maybe more people out there who saw the same missile can verify also.
https://www.reddit.com/r/911archive/comments/1fbpj7k/single_frame_of_camera_capturing_aa77_in_its/#:~:text=I%20stumbled%20across%20this%20image,insane%20angle%20of%20the%20plane.
This is old news but just like Lee Harvey and JFK, the entire 9/11 event is sus. The Pentagon is surrounded by cameras but only one video "survived"? More sus. I watched the video years ago and to my eye it was a missile. It clearly was not a large airplane. And if it was, where the hell is all the airplane debris??? It just magically vaporized the way the Twin Towers vaporized?
Like I said, "Sus!"
Really?! A huge 757 comes in at high speed just a few feet off the ground without pancaking into the earth and scattering airplane parts all over the Pentagon? Makes me feel stupid just wasting time talking about it.
I'm more concerned with the psyops that are happening right now. It's far from over.
Also, there is the clear lack of any tailfin or building damage due to tainfin.
BTW, this is a great distraction from the shady stuff going on as we speak. "They" no longer care about this.
And the psyops continues to distract us from what is happening behind our back.
I just posted pretty much the exact same post :D
I imagine several have. Anyone who believes otherwise hasn't even been paying attention.
Obviously, I can't prove it but I would not hesitate to put money that it was an Israeli missile. (Oops... someone is now going to call me anti-semitic. Of course, they will be a "Christian" Zionist.)
Maybe, but Chaney was running the show whilst George Bush was reading 'My pet goat (upside down!) to Children who had been singing Kite hit building! Another occult ritual mass trauma sacrifice and mega multi agenda with criminal agenda's. All the gold stolen from basement of one of the towers with allegedly a J Bush affiliated company involved in the removal.
Yeah, money and satanic ritual goes right along with their lust for power.
Why would Israel be part of this?
Well now, that is a rabbit hole most want to pretend does not exist. The simple answer is that 9/11 propelled the US military into the Middle East in service to Israeli ambitions. As regards the Pentagon, the section hit by the missile destroyed records of hundreds of trillions of dollars the Pentagon lost track of, much of which went to Israel. Trillions unaccounted for. Your tax dollar at work.
The ambition was to occupy Afghanistan and then use it as a base to topple Iran. But after 20 years(!) in Afghan, we had to turn tail and run just like in Vietnam. And big bad Iran is still there facing Israel. Oh my!
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The official story of the strike on the Pentagon is so full of holes it's laughable. First of all, commercial jets are not designed to fly at speeds greater than 350 mph in the thick atmosphere at sea level. No way could a commercial jet fly at 500 mph at or near sea level, it would break apart!
Second, where are the pieces of the jet in the wreckage? Where are the jet engines, the wing sections, the tail section, the fuselage sections? Where are the passenger bodies (and blood!) and passenger luggage? The story is absurd.
Back in the 1990's after the pilots shut off the autopilot in preparation for landing, the 737 they were flying rolled upside down and flew into the ground in a wooded area near Pittsburgh at 300 mph. There was so much blood in the several acres of woods at the crash site, it was cordoned off as a health hazard. Body parts everywhere, cleanup workers would break down in tears as they worked thru the wreckage. I remember reading about a worker who said, "there was a hand with a ring on it." There was NONE OF THIS at the Pentagon! It's likely the Pentagon was hit by a missile. It certainly was NOT hit by a commercial jet!
and the wall collapses OUTWARD when the kinetic energy of any crash should drive the debris inward, in the direction of the projectile.
The "no plane" claims were debunked long ago.
"Numerous points based on the physical evidence of the crash site seem to make an overwhelming cumulative case against a 757 having crashed there, provided one ignores the eyewitness evidence. However, most of these points involve some error in evaluating the evidence. Those errors include the following."
'A Boeing 757 could not have executed the attack maneuver'
'Eyewitnesses saw a small plane'
'The Pentagon attack left no aircraft debris'
'Aircraft crashes always leave large debris'
'The Pentagon attack left only a small impact hole'
'The wings of a 757 should have been visible outside the Pentagon'
'Engine parts from the Pentagon crash don't match a 757'
'Standing columns in the Pentagon impact hole preclude the crash of a 757'
'The C-ring punch-out hole was made by a warhead'
'Flight-path obstacles can't be reconciled with the crash of a 757'
'Only A Small Plane or Missile Could Have Caused Pentagon Damage'
'The Pentagon Attack Plane was a Boeing 737 Instead of a Boeing 757'
'The Jetliner that appeared to crash into the Pentagon actually flew over it'
https://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html
What a stupid post. Do you believe you've presented an argument? Is this list of points designed to create a pile of arguments that you think you've disproven?
"The "no plane" claims were debunked long ago." 😂
LOL no they were not. All of those questions have not been well-answered in any meaningful concrete way.
https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
Ask Google if Chemtrails exist. Take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning.🤣
LOL
Ditto for Shanksville.
Exactly!
your last sentence is assumptive.
https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn The pieces of the plane they recovered
AI generated. no photos.
There are photos https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/pentagon-attack-911
thank you for posting. lots of photos of evidence there of AA plane parts.
Finally, a sound statement.
Having inherent freedoms certainly allows incorrect ideas to propagate. One must consider the seeming authoritarian governmental laws of Germany that made it illegal to deny the Holocaust—perhaps this has a positive outcome in stifling conspiracy theories from growing...this would be an interesting discussion regards to the limits of freedom.
OK fascist.
https://share.google/aimode/2zgR4htUwwwF9645v
You don’t need to be politically correct with me. There are dozens of unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 but it’s such a sacred cow you get cancelled/censored for even asking said questions!
I've been asking questions publicly since the spring of 2002. I have been cancelled for other things (questioning #metoo and #covid for example) but never for questioning 9/11.
well, we need to know a lot more. there is no proof that such a flight ever existed, and the manifest looked like the plane should be taking off from the pentagon rather than crashing into it. Were these friends involved in government?
Then why did they find all the parts of the plane in the wreckage? https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
Of course Google still insists the Covid shots are safe and effective. They were rigorously tested they say for safety and efficacy and the VAERS database verifies their safety. Does not even mention any potential evidence to the contrary. Nothing to see here. Take your 10th booster like a good corporate citizen and shut up.
It may have been a plane that crashed into the pentagon; however, Google pretty much parrots the official narrative on everything. Zero credibility on COVID during the fake pandemic and now almost 6 years in, so they have zero credibility for me. I would not trust Google or Wikipedia for anything more controversial than “What is the area of Iowa?” or “who is the current coach of Indiana’s college football team?”
Not just Google, but Politifact, Popular Mechanics, the Associated Press. Thousands of on the ground eyewitnesses, the local police dept, the coroner, American Airlines, all the families of the passengers with DNA evidence.
It's a sacred cow to those covering it up.
That's because the Feds, or whoever, went round to all the local businesses and confiscated any video they might have. Many of them testified to this but it was not included in the official report.
I recall hearing they went to that gas station across the street. Never showed any of us what they found on there.
I watched a documentary over 20 years ago where they went to all the local gas stations and stores that had videos and interviewed them. Their responses didn't match the official story so I'm sure you won't find it now.
Interesting, because I heard that there were no wings found on the ground! It could only have been a missile that hit the very spot where major records were kept related to the disappearance of billions.
No, the hole cutout is explained when you actually look at the evidence. Most people making the claim of "no wings" have not looked closely. And they haven't because it's a lot to get through.
Proponents of the no-Boeing theory have made the following claims about the damage to the Pentagon's facade:
1. There was only one impact hole measuring no more than 18 feet across.
2. The impact hole was at most 65 feet across.
3. Standing columns remained where heavy 757 parts should have obliterated them.
4. The hole was too small to accommodate wing ends and tail.
Claim 1 is based on the selective presentation of photographs in which fire retardant spray obscures the entire first floor. Claim 2 is based on the fallacy that the distance between the expansion joints bounding the collapsed region of the facade marked the maximum extent of impact punctures. Post-crash photographs clearly show impact punctures extending over twenty feet to the right and to the left of the expansion joints.
Claim 3 is based on the confusion of hanging sections of the second floor for columns. Claim 4 is true, but consistent with the crash of a 757 whose wing ends and tail are too light to puncture the Pentagon's walls.
https://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html#debris
I was told it was a missile not a plane ✈️
It wasn't a missile. Real people were in a real plane and it crashed directly into the reinforced wall of the Pentagon - they were essentially vaporized on impact.
https://911review.com/errors/pentagon/crashdebris.html
Some of the evidence at the scene is covered here -
https://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/yardparts.html
Not completely vaporized https://share.google/aimode/QcMCDDqARrk1Yb6ZA
https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
It’s well established that it was a cruise missile. Still it is important to continually bring these subjects up to enlighten people who may be seeing it for the first time. In official circles they tell us that a guy that could barely fly a single engine plane was able to perform a very difficult corkscrew dive in a large jet and hit the pentagon just a few feet above the grass. And most cameras were turned off that day by coincidence.
well established? I cannot find that.
I need to clarify: well established in non mainstream circles. Thanks for pointing that out.
How did they determine it was a Cruise missile and not some other type missile?
The theory is a cruise missile could fly like a jet plane, come in low from a great distance away so as not to detect its launch. I urge people to do their own research from multiple sources and come to their own conclusions. Also see how mainstream reports changed in the first couple days to come up with one official narrative.
Literally dozens of people saw the jet before it hit the Pentagon. I read many of the 87 listed reports. They were interviewed in the days after the event. Most of them saw it flying low, headed toward the Pentagon and then saw and heard the explosion.
I read many of the responses and there was understandably a lot of confusion. You have something flying at 500 miles an hour that you only see for a second or two at most. There was a lot of confusion about what they saw. At least one even commented: Where is the wreckage? A building does not eat a plane. Clearly if it was a 757 there would a wing tip or a tail section snapped off when hitting the building. Common sense. There are no photos showing a wing or tail section. It shows absolutely nothing. The theory of a cruise missile flying at 500 miles in your line of site for a second or two could resemble a plane conceivably. Plus the power of suggestion as you are hearing news reports. Also like the 911 commission purposely omitted reports that did not agree with the official narrative. Not sure if these were random because I heard eyewitness reports that said they saw no plane.
If a cruise missile, then why were all the remains of the passengers there?? https://share.google/aimode/QcMCDDqARrk1Yb6ZA
Show me one pentagon photo that shows plane parts scattered. Planes are made very thin. If they hit a solid wall debris would be flying off everywhere. Also it is too structurally weak to penetrate much of the building. This event kicked off a doubling of our defense budget, the Patriot Act (which was already written), wars across the Middle East for bogus reasons. Many people were enriched by these big lies.
There are 4,610 photos here. Knock yourself out. https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/pentagon-attack-911
Not seeing plane wreckage at the pentagon in any of those photos. A couple photos showed random plane wreckage but no pentagon in the photo. You need to have both in the photo to establish linkage. Where is a photo of a snapped off wing or tail section at the pentagon? I know it is hard to believe that elements of our government would make up an elaborate lie, but this the world we live in. A world run by psychopaths.
I don't have the exact names of the individuals who identified the wreckage, but there were hundreds of eyewitness investigators on the ground who discovered the wreckage, the remains of the passengers, their DNA also. I did a search however, and here are the investigators, a lengthy list. If you want to call all these people conspirators and liars, then you're beyond help. https://share.google/aimode/FJ8Ii8MExNgiBSIuI
https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
AI uses mainstream media reports especially Google. That link is totally bogus. Anyone that has done any amount of research knows the official narrative of all the 9/11 events were fiction. Of course I may be talking to a bot. There never was plane debris found in the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania.
Here's Popular Mechanics https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a66052053/pentagon-911-plane-crash-myths/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=copy&utm_campaign=action_bar
Popular Mechanics might not be an objective source of information. Jim Meigs, who has appeared as an authority or historian in various TV documentaries, is the former editor of Popular Mechanics magazine. He's a member of the Manhattan Institute, which is chaired by multi-billionaire Betsy Devos. SourceWatch describes the MI as a right-wing, pro-privatization, corporate front group which is funded by many tax-exempt foundations set up by billionaires. It says the MI is not required to reveal its funders, but SourceWatch has found many of them and lists those on the site. Some of these corporate fronts also sponsor programs on PBS and NPR. The Koch brothers and ALEC are two notables associated with the MI.
Try this https://share.google/aimode/2zgR4htUwwwF9645v Also, explain what would even be the motivation in the first place to lie about this tragedy?
Your linked article is just authoritative-sounding statements without any photographic or video evidence to back up the claims.
The report is compiled from official sources, not a made up fiction
lol - a lie filled whitewash - that any half competent person ought to be able deduce.
https://share.google/aimode/2zgR4htUwwwF9645v
Google works with government intelligence. Not unbiased source.
No, it's not. Missiles, small planes, no planes, etc. were debunked long ago.
Pentagon Attack Errors
Numerous points based on the physical evidence of the crash site seem to make an overwhelming cumulative case against a 757 having crashed there, provided one ignores the eyewitness evidence. However, most of these points involve some error in evaluating the evidence. Those errors include the following -
'A Boeing 757 could not have executed the attack maneuver'
'Eyewitnesses saw a small plane'
'The Pentagon attack left no aircraft debris'
'Aircraft crashes always leave large debris'
'The Pentagon attack left only a small impact hole'
'The wings of a 757 should have been visible outside the Pentagon'
'Engine parts from the Pentagon crash don't match a 757'
'Standing columns in the Pentagon impact hole preclude the crash of a 757'
'The C-ring punch-out hole was made by a warhead'
'Flight-path obstacles can't be reconciled with the crash of a 757'
'Only A Small Plane or Missile Could Have Caused Pentagon Damage'
'The Pentagon Attack Plane was a Boeing 737 Instead of a Boeing 757'
'The Jetliner that appeared to crash into the Pentagon actually flew over it'
https://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html
Here's the remains of the passengers https://share.google/aimode/QcMCDDqARrk1Yb6ZA
Your link is spot on. The mainstream narrative is totally impossible. Most evidence points to a cruise missile, or a missile and some well placed explosives.
https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
I used to believe that we (USA) were the good guys. Then I began to wonder. Now I know the sad truth of the matter.
yep. same here. The USA has not been one of the good guys for a long time. JFK saw this, saw that the monster that Truman had created (which he later regretted) called the CIA was indeed a monster and threatened to break it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the four winds. And look what happened to JFK
If it didn't hit the Pentagon and that was some other object instead, then what happened to the aircraft and all those people? Buried in the sand outside Las Vegas? This is the very first I've ever heard of a "corkscrew maneuver". Sounds like someone's opinion, since this story doesn't offer any backup. If they have video or a radar record of such a maneuver, then right there is the proof of it being this aircraft. I dunno, this whole article reeks of fish. When it first happened, people were claiming that it was all faked, even with the pictures of all the aircraft wreckage inside that big hole in the Pentagon. Wrecked jet engines were visible and the 64 aircraft occupants bodies were recovered.
What happened to the people on that flight? I have a friend who said her 2 friends on that flight perished, never heard from again.
The goal of the "no plane" claims was to make those questioning the official story look like nutcases, and not at all interested in what happened to the passengers in their assertions.
https://share.google/aimode/QcMCDDqARrk1Yb6ZA
I find it interesting that comments here are diametrically split on this issue—no middle ground. There are hard core "I know the truth and you are an idiot if you disagree with me" on both sides of the equation. I find this very disturbing that truth on this issue appears to be so open to interpretation. I interpret this as meaning both that the government and its mainstream news mouthpieces have lost all authority to convey truth to American public. This is worrisome as with the rise of manipulative AI, its only going to get worse.
Why is so much time, trouble and ink wasted on the details or exactly how it was done, when we should be trying to find out who was behind it?
Also, why does everyone seem to think conspiracy theories have to be complicated? The simplest explanation, four hijacked jets did all the damage, or missiles, explosives, or anything else could be possible, but it gets us no closer to the people behind it all.
The evidence is unequivocally clear. There was NO plane that "crashed " into the Pentagon. Immediately after the so called plane crash the FBI confiscated any and all security camera feeds anywhere near the Pentagon. Not to mention there was absolutely zero evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon no debris whatsoever. Where did the plane go?
Did they confiscate the plane's passengers, too?
It is (evidence=clear) but there are folks who trust the Govt. As evidenced by the whole convid shot thing. I believe the overriding motive was population control-these shots are causing HUGE sterile populations. ED is normalised, viagra is normalised, there are commercials now, there never used to be.
If it were a plane there would be plane wreckage. There was NO plane wreckage at the site, ever....🧐🤦♀️💥💯
Here;s the remains of the passengers https://share.google/aimode/QcMCDDqARrk1Yb6ZA
The wreckage :https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
There was, you just haven't seen it.
https://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html
David Chandler, a prominent 911 researcher "decurved" the security hut footage. In the corrected footage, a plane was revealed with the correct colours rather than a white streak. If he's still around he'll be open to emails. I don't have the link to the footage though, anybody here?
All the "911 research" I've seen has been psyops, EXCEPT for Judy Wood's book "Where Did The Towers Go?"
I don't think anyone has even tried to refute her evidence.
Judy Wood was a nutcase, the same as Morgan Reynolds, who said "cartoons" hit the WTC Towers in his FOX News interview.
https://911research.wtc7.net/essays/patriots_question/index.html
Ah ha! I knew that would hook somebody. Let me guess: you never read her book cuz you "know" she's a nut job?
His website, 911speakout.org, is still up and has his contact info.
Are you referring to this video?
https://911speakout.org/seeing-the-pentagon-plane/
Yeah, you know I think it was. That guy is smart.
Here is David Chandler's recent video, explaining all physical aspects of the airplane's approach and crash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLd96aqOgjk
https://911speakout.org/seeing-the-pentagon-plane/
https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
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Obviously not a plane.
The “wreckage” lacked any debris.
Next do the towers themselves.
How the “students” with hundred of boxes of explosives were in the basement for weeks prior. Then the security cameras not working during the same time. Don’t forget the testimonials of the witnesses and first responders. Also the dancing Jews and how Israel rejoiced at the news.
But the smoking gun is the man who stood to actually profit off the insurance claim. Of course a Jew who just purchased the policies and made millions off of old buildings that were full of asbestos and would cost a fortune to renovate.
Then look at the government who stood to profit off the “patriot” act that robbed Americans of their liberties.
It’s one big scam like everything else that profits the oppressors at the expense of the oppressed. No different than the covid scam…
Lucky Larry's Preposterous Plan
Trailer for a remarkably revealing "cartoon" about 9/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l2sC4SUInQ
Full version here
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/e8g8vtxccobu8evgs7c0g/LUCKYLARRYWMFULLEPISODE2.mov?rlkey=35piavvbw4dz20bqlkd8pxh10&e=1&st=i110znpe&dl=0
The debris, the remains of the plane https://share.google/aimode/fgTjuT1xoP6SfE8cn
Those photos are extremely unconvincing. Also compare these photos and those from Shanksville with photos from the real 737 crash in Ethiopia.
An airliner at full speed crashing into a hardened building won't produce identical photos to a plane crashing in a field. Use your brain. Those who don't believe the crash have no explanation why the entire military, press, FBI, and thousands of eyewitness of citizens would all collude together in a conspiracy to fabricate this crash. Why on earth would they, how could they, and a collusion of that magnitude is simply impossible