Since the French Revolution, most violent regime changes have resulted in terrible, unforeseen consequences, including years of war and civil war that achieve nothing.
men such as yourself, John, are the supreme rarity that feeds the evil around us. Thanks for your quick reply to this. It nice to know you read our comments.
That event was positive. The effort to steal western oil facilities was quashed, and the Shah was a good leader, westernizing and modernizing Iran, the Iranian people were happy under the Shah, except for the radical Islamic extremists.
I wonder who will be deemed the religious extremists here in the US when this country begins its death rattle. All it takes is the "man of sin" (Pope) insisting that we go against Biblical moral absolutes. Many believe that will be an insistence on Sunday worship over the instruction in Gods word to keep Sabbath. The 7th day.
thank god for Mr Trump. says what he thinks and does what hesays. The world will one day acknowledge how he saved western civilization and certainly i hope will be saving us in the uk.
Iwill write what i like in any case thank you for your assistance. - i gather that very school was actually a hit from an Iranian missile or whatever - in error - those pictures were reported as such earlier today. this is all i needed to see - In November 2025, according to The Washington Free Beacon, the Open Society Foundations awarded $250,000 to the Social Security Works Education Fund, the nonprofit that acts as a fiscal sponsor for Drop Site News "to support establishing a Drop Site News MENA desk to bridge a critical information gap
I am not interested in any other comment thanks there were no PEACE - why is that in capitals? negotiations - there had not been any war they were talking about removing the power of nuclear capacity - or was that a false hood in your eyes too. you commies need to go and live in a commie country and take mr Soros with you, if you love them so much. all the Iranians and the rest of the western world wants is to have their freedom from oppression back .
'the regime bombed two girls schools' ? which one? or better, from which side??? Well, just realized, as long as one can't see it with OWN EYES nobody can say anything about it.. Unless MANY INDEPENDENT sources confirm that tragedy. What one can clearly see though is, what is left from Gaza...
I hope Trump advises British how to win elections for the right, vote in conservatives, and take action against the growing Islamic threat. Do what Denmark has done, pass laws requiring their children to be trained in citizenship to England, and not loyalty to Islam —otherwise they have to leave, and the many other positive steps they’ve taken to prevent them from eventual, evil takeover- follow the danish! Elect the best leaders. Trump can’t do everything for every dumb, preventable, unnecessary global calamity that’s going on….
Nice. Cogent analysis as opposed to hyperventilating polemics. CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS. While I am impressed with the analysis, I confess I am a bit biased as a recovering lawyer. Much thanks for sharing this link. I plan to follow the author.
Most lawyers fully analyse the actual facts and the big picture, because they hate being proven wrong lol.... and they understand the strength of a good timeline based on facts, not political polarity.
Ms Butler ~ don't know about "most" -- but many do aim for conclusions based upon rigorous empirical analysis -- but all that must be in context. Those who jettison humility and just rely on a secular or a solely "rational" touchstones as "proof" alone will likely miss the mark. Close, but no cigar, as they say. Culling meaning and thereby uncovering truth in the process may sometimes be counter-intuitive. The truly hard part is facing that truth and staying the course. A good legal education is useful. Wisdom over time and in context, however, evolves from knowledge. But knowledge or proficiency alone are insufficient. Experience and humility temper understanding like tempering steel. Thus, progress is impossible without wisdom. Tempering with wisdom takes time. Having retired from the legal profession, I miss the intellectual challenges. But I don't miss the incessant focus on triumph of form over content. Progress is painfully slow.
I should have said, "Most lawyers with brains"... because I've been involved in legal cases relating to vaccines and know that it is possible to look in the left ear of a lawyer and see straight out the right ear. So - true - the comment was much too generalised.
I don't know if the Iran action will turn out well or not, but it's already different. Comparisons with Iraq are strained, to say the least. Far different in the long stream of events leading up to it, and Trump said about as clearly and emphatically as he could that he's not doing what Bush did in Iraq.
He told the Iranians to take control of their government "when we're finished," that this is their only chance, and they should take it. Not stand by and stay out of the way while we invest trillions of dollars and send our service members to a shooting gallery that we hope you'll be kind enough not to participate in.
Again, there are certainly arguments for and against this action. But comparison with past actions, especially Iraq, is simply not dispositive.
First, the people of Iran have chosen the heir of the monarch that was overthrown by the Islamic regime in the 70s so the USA is not choosing the new leadership merely scrapping the regime’s nuclear and other war making capabilities so the people of Iran can take back their country. There’s no occupation, no nation building, etc. Very different.
The removal of a ‘regime’ that would slaughter 30 to 60 thousand of it’s citizens for protesting is worth the risk. The removal of a regime that has, and would continue, to sponsor the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah and assorted other terrorist groups is worth risk. Whether that regime is a current threat to the US mainland is not the point. The murderous ideology that has characterised the mullah’s regime for 47 years calls for the elimination of the US ( and Israel). They could do lot of damage in future if not stopped. The US has enough problems with lunatic ‘democrat’ run states and cities doing their best to destroy it without the continual calls for its destruction by outside lunatics.
Reportedly, allegedly 36,500 dead in two days in early January. Not unreasonable to think thousands of others have been killed in the days before and the almost two months since.
Quote of the Day: A murderous bombing campaign in Iran, continuing genocide in Palestine, serial aggression abroad, belligerent occupation of several countries, acts of transnational terrorism, repression at home, schemes to profit from murder and colonization, systematic coverup of the Mossad-Epstein operations, massive corruption of the public and private sectors across the West, sanctions against human rights defenders and international courts, attacks on international institutions, the dismantling of international law, mass surveillance of the rest of us, and a growing trail of blood and destruction around the globe.
The US-Israel Axis is the greatest threat facing humanity today. To deny this in the face of so much evidence is to either reveal your ignorance or to declare your complicity.
Craig Mokhiber, international human rights lawyer & former head of the UN Human Rights Council in NY who resigned in disgust after the UN refused to act against Israel's genocide of the Palestinians
So, the Islamists' mutual charters to eradicate (i.e., to kill) the Jews -- and the Islamists' and their followers' incessant efforts to do so -- is a Good Genocide? Just askin' . . .
Did anyone even bother to check the military capability of Palestine? What were the Palestinians supposed to attack Izrael with, machetes and old Mopeds?
Hamas, Houthis, Al Queda, etc are all covert black-ops disguised as terrorists to start wars.
And wars are to steal resources. .
Plus, War is the Evil's second most profitable industry. So they've gotta have wars to make profits!
Apropos our intellectually challenged internet interloper said, above, "What were the Palestinians supposed to attack Izrael (sic) with, machetes and old Mopeds?" . . . keep in mind, Jim, Proberta immediately thereafter retorted with the following assertion to a subsequent Reply: "Oct 7th wasn't the Pasestinians (sic) Lawrence, it was covert black-ops disguised as Palestinians, so that the World would support Izrael (sic) in its intended slaughter of the Palestinians and the Gaza land grab." So -- it seems that our confused friends, like Proberta are so captured by their ideology that rational thought escapes her/them completely. They are inconsequential souls, fortunately. Let's pray they don't procreate, though.
"Did anyone ever bother to check the military capability of Palestine?" I assume that assertion is rhetorical in nature. Nonetheless, it seems the improvised weaponry and butchery of the so-called "Palestinian" aggressors executing the October 7th massacre of innocent Israelis were brutally effective - perhaps the unprovoked attack could also have been deemed medieval in its creative butchery. So, there's that.
Oct 7th wasn't the Pasestinians Lawrence, it was covert black-ops disguised as Palestinians, so that the World would support Izrael in its intended slaughter of the Palestinians and the Gaza land grab.
Remember Lawrence, no planes hit the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Right, Kathy, and Israel will be better able to carry on with the genocide when the war turns Iran into another failed state, which is the main purpose of the war, apparently. Nobody should believe Trump when he says things will be better for the Iranians.
Covid should have taught everyone that the ruling billionaire class doesn't give a damn about humanity; on the contrary, they engineer mass cullings, be it through wars or injections of bioweapon WMDs. The Epstein files are further blatant evidence of exactly who these psychopaths are.
Why do you care? I've read about Zionism. Its "ideology" regards a return to the birthplace of their religion and origins, a place occupied by Arab Muslims who want to kill them rather than live peacefully. Do you base your life on a religious orthodoxy? If someone wants to murder you, do you simply acquiesce?
So noted. Burke was smart. So, if Burke so distinguished and dismissed the American Revolution from what Burke considered to be a bona fide regime change -- like, say, the French Revolution -- then far be it from me to disagree with him.
Also, though it is seldom mentioned, there was a short but very terrible, ugly "reign of terror" after the American revolution wherein anyone believed to have collaborated with or even just been sympathetic toward the British was persecuted, sometimes unto death.
You're right. Retribution is historically often par for the course in varying degrees in such matters of war. My understanding, however, is that many but not all of the British Loyalists chose to return to Great Britain rather than to deal with the overly zealous among the American Patriots at that time. And, the retribution against those Loyalists who were not actual enemy combatants following the defeat and ouster of Great Britain was FAR less a "reign of terror" than those similarly characterized as such and elsewhere situated (e.g., as in Europe) at that relevant time. And, as usual, there also seems to have been a lot of exaggeration -- reported on actual incidents or merely contrived in order to advance ideological agendas arising from and related to American history.
I agree that US regime change has almost always been disastrous. I have mixed feelings on the current actions.
Most of the time we have tried regime change, we wanted the change more than the people (We were trying to put in a pro-America puppet more than to help the people). I don't think that is true with Iran. They have been repeatedly trying to overthrow their government on their own and just need a little help. Also, the Persian people have long been supporters of democracy. (They would have a democracy now if the US had not helped Britain overthrow the duly elected President, to put the puppet Shaw in power so what became British Petroleum could continue to control Iran's oil.) Having a dictator in place led to the people's revolt, but the mullahs used that revolution to take over with an iron fist. I actually believe the Iranians want true freedom and are willing to do what is necessary to make it happen. That isn't true of most, or all, of the other places in which we meddled.
In almost every case, I have disagreed whole-heartedly with meddling in other countries, but I feel so bad for the Iranian people, there is a part of me that thinks this could be worthwhile. I guess only time will tell.
John's arguments have historical basis, but since we are post 9/11 lets just focus on Islamic countries--they are not psychologically capable of freedom which is why they are drawn to dictators. Your points about Persia not being Muslim offers a considerable chance they will be democratic, especially since not-too long-ago they tasted freedom.
John, brilliant again, in it simplicity and truth: you have not mentioned the Trump/Rubio, Israel catastrophic lie, fraud, that the US OF A is threatened by IRAN..Nothing ever so ludicrous of an excuse,. excpet this is what Hitler did to Sudetenland, the Romans did contantly, the ISrael's having been doing in West Band and genocide in Gaza...
Trump has terrified his syncophantic cabinets, who would have ordinarily told him, this act will destroy the midterms, will destroy 2028. But we knew this was coming after the appalling lie that Venezuela (only at most 8% of our drug problem) was a threat. Next it will be Cuba. He has crossed the Rubicon
I hate to say this, a trump supporter since 2015 in spades, but where is our Brutus. No doubt an Augustus will be next...
Iranian American journalist Anni Cyrus can be followed on Substack and at Liveuptofreedom.com. May the Iranian people get a peace and freedom loving leader, who will help stabilize the Middle East.
You nailed it, Mr Hayes. The notion of "failure" is, after all, unavoidably negative. But the commentary to which you succinctly refer does indeed seem to reflect a heaping helping of confirmation bias, methinks. That, I suppose, corroborates your conclusion that the commentary was a bit "slanted" toward such negative predispositions. Sometimes rational arguments like those to which you refer need a little more reason than rhetoric to add value to the discourse. Alas, such is the stuff that comprises sophistry, intentionally insidious or otherwise -- and it is up to us to parse wisdom from knowledge.
I avoid tossing pearls to swine, figuratively speaking, of course. I.e., I won't waste time arguing with ideological captives. But, as someone once said, " .. forgive them for they know not what the do" or something like that --- instead, I tend to ferret out relevant, intelligent, and sincere commentary, with a pinch of provocation and offer some notions that those who may merely be just perusing the dialogues might just be triggered by a spark of common sense. Maybe that might reset their brains or at least make them curious. It's a Red Pill Thing, I suppose. So much garbage -- so little time.
That's a great list of foibles. These missteps ignored Thomas Jefferson's advice of "honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none."
In an antique shop, there may be a sign saying "You break it, you buy it" -- indicating that the outcome of you messing around in someone else's backyard or neighborhood can often be considered to be your fault. It is better not to mess around in another's backyard or neighborhood.
It can be entangling.
But the world is a lot smaller than it used to be, and our "neighborhoods" are now adjacent. Fences that kept the neighbors out of our own backyard no longer accomplish that task. When they are already in your backyard or neighborhood, a new property emerges and wise old adages lose relevance.
This instance does not fit your pattern. The thesis is invalid.
Iran has made the USA citizenry hostages to their own fears of t-ism, and by extension they have forfeited (allowed to be seized) their liberties in the name of perpetual, impossible safety: TSA, DHS, Patriot Act, FISA.
The state needs to know everything about everyone or else something "preventable" may occur. That's not compatible with normal living that accommodates car crashes, shark attacks, slip/falls, drowning, airline accidents, and so on. T-ism manifests in actual losses that are de mimimis when placed in hierarchy with all other societal dangers, yet the state controls every aspect of life for its prevention.
Iran has been an active danger that should have been cleaned out decades ago. Here we are. Give Trump the credit due for confronting this festering mess and don't second guess him.
If you wish to be the critic, go on record with certitude. Otherwise, don't cower behind prognostications of "maybe something imperfect may ensue". When the regime's leaders are killed and their command infrastructure is decimated, then the Iranians will do whatever they decide at the time. If it wholesale improves their lot, what will you have to say? If strife ensues, well, guess that's 2+ factions who are going to duke it out for the decision about whose interests reign supreme--that's called Iranian self-determination, something you shouldn't get a chance to interfere with. Regardless, the Iran abililty to project t-ism to USA interests ceases.
When the plague of t-ism ends, then USA citizens may recover from decades long anxiety and begin to act like more grounded people. So, good for Iran, good for America, good for the rest of the world.
Good enough for thee?
By the way, your covid-era ascension has been induced by the wave of state covid mandates--a creation exclusively rooted in the pure anxiety of a cowering populace...birthed by anti-West t-ism and cemented by 9/11. Tranlsation, if not for the Iranian regime, no covid or covid-era anything.
John, I’m a fan, but you (crucially) forgot 1953 / CIA / Iran / Mossadegh, which has much to do with why bombs are dropping while I type this…!
Quite right, forgot about the obvious! Duly noted with thanks.
men such as yourself, John, are the supreme rarity that feeds the evil around us. Thanks for your quick reply to this. It nice to know you read our comments.
That event was positive. The effort to steal western oil facilities was quashed, and the Shah was a good leader, westernizing and modernizing Iran, the Iranian people were happy under the Shah, except for the radical Islamic extremists.
I wonder who will be deemed the religious extremists here in the US when this country begins its death rattle. All it takes is the "man of sin" (Pope) insisting that we go against Biblical moral absolutes. Many believe that will be an insistence on Sunday worship over the instruction in Gods word to keep Sabbath. The 7th day.
"When it begins...?"
not a single country on this planet plans a regime change in USA.. Or wait, didn't it happen already?
thank god for Mr Trump. says what he thinks and does what hesays. The world will one day acknowledge how he saved western civilization and certainly i hope will be saving us in the uk.
ha, a savior, a truth-teller ???? here, more children DEAD this morning then what Epstein did 'manage to accomplish':
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/iran-minab-elementary-girls-school-bombing-schoolgirls-killed-us-israel-war
and that in the middle of the PEACE negotiations...
And when you talk about GOD, then write it in capitals.
Iwill write what i like in any case thank you for your assistance. - i gather that very school was actually a hit from an Iranian missile or whatever - in error - those pictures were reported as such earlier today. this is all i needed to see - In November 2025, according to The Washington Free Beacon, the Open Society Foundations awarded $250,000 to the Social Security Works Education Fund, the nonprofit that acts as a fiscal sponsor for Drop Site News "to support establishing a Drop Site News MENA desk to bridge a critical information gap
I am not interested in any other comment thanks there were no PEACE - why is that in capitals? negotiations - there had not been any war they were talking about removing the power of nuclear capacity - or was that a false hood in your eyes too. you commies need to go and live in a commie country and take mr Soros with you, if you love them so much. all the Iranians and the rest of the western world wants is to have their freedom from oppression back .
I think the regime bombed two girls schools before the US involvement. With our precision military, it’s more likely than not that their own actions will be blamed on the USA. Perspective will help: https://coffeeandcovid.substack.com/p/freedom-falafels-saturday-february?r=8yuuy&utm_medium=ios
'the regime bombed two girls schools' ? which one? or better, from which side??? Well, just realized, as long as one can't see it with OWN EYES nobody can say anything about it.. Unless MANY INDEPENDENT sources confirm that tragedy. What one can clearly see though is, what is left from Gaza...
The MSM (and you) fell for that one hook, line and sinker.
I hope Trump advises British how to win elections for the right, vote in conservatives, and take action against the growing Islamic threat. Do what Denmark has done, pass laws requiring their children to be trained in citizenship to England, and not loyalty to Islam —otherwise they have to leave, and the many other positive steps they’ve taken to prevent them from eventual, evil takeover- follow the danish! Elect the best leaders. Trump can’t do everything for every dumb, preventable, unnecessary global calamity that’s going on….
That is the most moronic statement I have read today. Congratulations!
Praying for peace and freedom for the people of Iran.
Here is the other side of the coin from a lawyer:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/freedom-falafels-saturday-february
Nice. Cogent analysis as opposed to hyperventilating polemics. CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS. While I am impressed with the analysis, I confess I am a bit biased as a recovering lawyer. Much thanks for sharing this link. I plan to follow the author.
Jeff is my every-morning read. His analysis and depth of discussion is always enlightening.
And Jeff is very witty.
I tend to lean towards this side of the coin.
Most lawyers fully analyse the actual facts and the big picture, because they hate being proven wrong lol.... and they understand the strength of a good timeline based on facts, not political polarity.
Ms Butler ~ don't know about "most" -- but many do aim for conclusions based upon rigorous empirical analysis -- but all that must be in context. Those who jettison humility and just rely on a secular or a solely "rational" touchstones as "proof" alone will likely miss the mark. Close, but no cigar, as they say. Culling meaning and thereby uncovering truth in the process may sometimes be counter-intuitive. The truly hard part is facing that truth and staying the course. A good legal education is useful. Wisdom over time and in context, however, evolves from knowledge. But knowledge or proficiency alone are insufficient. Experience and humility temper understanding like tempering steel. Thus, progress is impossible without wisdom. Tempering with wisdom takes time. Having retired from the legal profession, I miss the intellectual challenges. But I don't miss the incessant focus on triumph of form over content. Progress is painfully slow.
I should have said, "Most lawyers with brains"... because I've been involved in legal cases relating to vaccines and know that it is possible to look in the left ear of a lawyer and see straight out the right ear. So - true - the comment was much too generalised.
I don't know if the Iran action will turn out well or not, but it's already different. Comparisons with Iraq are strained, to say the least. Far different in the long stream of events leading up to it, and Trump said about as clearly and emphatically as he could that he's not doing what Bush did in Iraq.
He told the Iranians to take control of their government "when we're finished," that this is their only chance, and they should take it. Not stand by and stay out of the way while we invest trillions of dollars and send our service members to a shooting gallery that we hope you'll be kind enough not to participate in.
Again, there are certainly arguments for and against this action. But comparison with past actions, especially Iraq, is simply not dispositive.
First, the people of Iran have chosen the heir of the monarch that was overthrown by the Islamic regime in the 70s so the USA is not choosing the new leadership merely scrapping the regime’s nuclear and other war making capabilities so the people of Iran can take back their country. There’s no occupation, no nation building, etc. Very different.
The removal of a ‘regime’ that would slaughter 30 to 60 thousand of it’s citizens for protesting is worth the risk. The removal of a regime that has, and would continue, to sponsor the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah and assorted other terrorist groups is worth risk. Whether that regime is a current threat to the US mainland is not the point. The murderous ideology that has characterised the mullah’s regime for 47 years calls for the elimination of the US ( and Israel). They could do lot of damage in future if not stopped. The US has enough problems with lunatic ‘democrat’ run states and cities doing their best to destroy it without the continual calls for its destruction by outside lunatics.
"...would slaughter 30-60 thousand..." I've seen that assertion various places around the internet. What is your reliable source?
https://nypost.com/2026/01/25/world-news/more-than-36500-killed-in-deadliest-two-days-in-iran-protest-crackdown-report/
Reportedly, allegedly 36,500 dead in two days in early January. Not unreasonable to think thousands of others have been killed in the days before and the almost two months since.
Thanks for that. It does cite "sources" and "alleged" death toll. I don't know whether we'll ever get anything better.
Quote of the Day: A murderous bombing campaign in Iran, continuing genocide in Palestine, serial aggression abroad, belligerent occupation of several countries, acts of transnational terrorism, repression at home, schemes to profit from murder and colonization, systematic coverup of the Mossad-Epstein operations, massive corruption of the public and private sectors across the West, sanctions against human rights defenders and international courts, attacks on international institutions, the dismantling of international law, mass surveillance of the rest of us, and a growing trail of blood and destruction around the globe.
The US-Israel Axis is the greatest threat facing humanity today. To deny this in the face of so much evidence is to either reveal your ignorance or to declare your complicity.
Craig Mokhiber, international human rights lawyer & former head of the UN Human Rights Council in NY who resigned in disgust after the UN refused to act against Israel's genocide of the Palestinians
So, the Islamists' mutual charters to eradicate (i.e., to kill) the Jews -- and the Islamists' and their followers' incessant efforts to do so -- is a Good Genocide? Just askin' . . .
Who is committing genocide? Israel
Well, then, what is that saying, e.g., ". . . some people's "genocide" is another's "self defense"? Or something like that.
Izrael's "self defense"???
Did anyone even bother to check the military capability of Palestine? What were the Palestinians supposed to attack Izrael with, machetes and old Mopeds?
Hamas, Houthis, Al Queda, etc are all covert black-ops disguised as terrorists to start wars.
And wars are to steal resources. .
Plus, War is the Evil's second most profitable industry. So they've gotta have wars to make profits!
Because that's what they're here to do.
"What were the Palestinians supposed to attack Izrael with, machetes and old Mopeds?"
Maybe they should've considered that BEFORE they attacked Israel.
Apropos our intellectually challenged internet interloper said, above, "What were the Palestinians supposed to attack Izrael (sic) with, machetes and old Mopeds?" . . . keep in mind, Jim, Proberta immediately thereafter retorted with the following assertion to a subsequent Reply: "Oct 7th wasn't the Pasestinians (sic) Lawrence, it was covert black-ops disguised as Palestinians, so that the World would support Izrael (sic) in its intended slaughter of the Palestinians and the Gaza land grab." So -- it seems that our confused friends, like Proberta are so captured by their ideology that rational thought escapes her/them completely. They are inconsequential souls, fortunately. Let's pray they don't procreate, though.
"Did anyone ever bother to check the military capability of Palestine?" I assume that assertion is rhetorical in nature. Nonetheless, it seems the improvised weaponry and butchery of the so-called "Palestinian" aggressors executing the October 7th massacre of innocent Israelis were brutally effective - perhaps the unprovoked attack could also have been deemed medieval in its creative butchery. So, there's that.
Oct 7th wasn't the Pasestinians Lawrence, it was covert black-ops disguised as Palestinians, so that the World would support Izrael in its intended slaughter of the Palestinians and the Gaza land grab.
Remember Lawrence, no planes hit the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Same players, same Playbook.
weapons sold by ukraine to palestinians, follow the money
Really? That's Chutzpah! Somalis maybe ... but Ukrainians -- although I wouldn't put it past them. Just sayin' ... ;^)
Right, Kathy, and Israel will be better able to carry on with the genocide when the war turns Iran into another failed state, which is the main purpose of the war, apparently. Nobody should believe Trump when he says things will be better for the Iranians.
Covid should have taught everyone that the ruling billionaire class doesn't give a damn about humanity; on the contrary, they engineer mass cullings, be it through wars or injections of bioweapon WMDs. The Epstein files are further blatant evidence of exactly who these psychopaths are.
Again, you're right, Kathy. Chaos is the desired outcome, no matter the cost. It's what our brave sailors and airmen are fighting for today.
Michael, just go back to Smedley Butler's famous quote on war is a racket.
No, Israel is defending itself against people sworn to kill them, and eventually have you dead or on a prayer rug.
Look into the birth of Zionism and its ideology. It has nothing to do with Jewish orthodoxy.
Why do you care? I've read about Zionism. Its "ideology" regards a return to the birthplace of their religion and origins, a place occupied by Arab Muslims who want to kill them rather than live peacefully. Do you base your life on a religious orthodoxy? If someone wants to murder you, do you simply acquiesce?
Why do you care?
You are out of your mind. Get help.
Your response is typical of psychopathic hate filled people, Islamists, Jew-haters, but I am repeating myself.
“What about” the American Revolutionary War? That Regime Change War seems to have been an Epic Success. So, there’s that.
Burke argued it wasn't a regime change, that George 3 was meddling in long established regime of N.American colonists
So noted. Burke was smart. So, if Burke so distinguished and dismissed the American Revolution from what Burke considered to be a bona fide regime change -- like, say, the French Revolution -- then far be it from me to disagree with him.
Also, though it is seldom mentioned, there was a short but very terrible, ugly "reign of terror" after the American revolution wherein anyone believed to have collaborated with or even just been sympathetic toward the British was persecuted, sometimes unto death.
You're right. Retribution is historically often par for the course in varying degrees in such matters of war. My understanding, however, is that many but not all of the British Loyalists chose to return to Great Britain rather than to deal with the overly zealous among the American Patriots at that time. And, the retribution against those Loyalists who were not actual enemy combatants following the defeat and ouster of Great Britain was FAR less a "reign of terror" than those similarly characterized as such and elsewhere situated (e.g., as in Europe) at that relevant time. And, as usual, there also seems to have been a lot of exaggeration -- reported on actual incidents or merely contrived in order to advance ideological agendas arising from and related to American history.
I agree that US regime change has almost always been disastrous. I have mixed feelings on the current actions.
Most of the time we have tried regime change, we wanted the change more than the people (We were trying to put in a pro-America puppet more than to help the people). I don't think that is true with Iran. They have been repeatedly trying to overthrow their government on their own and just need a little help. Also, the Persian people have long been supporters of democracy. (They would have a democracy now if the US had not helped Britain overthrow the duly elected President, to put the puppet Shaw in power so what became British Petroleum could continue to control Iran's oil.) Having a dictator in place led to the people's revolt, but the mullahs used that revolution to take over with an iron fist. I actually believe the Iranians want true freedom and are willing to do what is necessary to make it happen. That isn't true of most, or all, of the other places in which we meddled.
In almost every case, I have disagreed whole-heartedly with meddling in other countries, but I feel so bad for the Iranian people, there is a part of me that thinks this could be worthwhile. I guess only time will tell.
That being said, I can't say your logic is wrong.
Good rebuttal Christy.
John's arguments have historical basis, but since we are post 9/11 lets just focus on Islamic countries--they are not psychologically capable of freedom which is why they are drawn to dictators. Your points about Persia not being Muslim offers a considerable chance they will be democratic, especially since not-too long-ago they tasted freedom.
As I understand, as Persians they are Muslims but not Arabs.
This perspective may help; https://coffeeandcovid.substack.com/p/freedom-falafels-saturday-february?r=8yuuy&utm_medium=ios
John, brilliant again, in it simplicity and truth: you have not mentioned the Trump/Rubio, Israel catastrophic lie, fraud, that the US OF A is threatened by IRAN..Nothing ever so ludicrous of an excuse,. excpet this is what Hitler did to Sudetenland, the Romans did contantly, the ISrael's having been doing in West Band and genocide in Gaza...
Trump has terrified his syncophantic cabinets, who would have ordinarily told him, this act will destroy the midterms, will destroy 2028. But we knew this was coming after the appalling lie that Venezuela (only at most 8% of our drug problem) was a threat. Next it will be Cuba. He has crossed the Rubicon
I hate to say this, a trump supporter since 2015 in spades, but where is our Brutus. No doubt an Augustus will be next...
Iranian American journalist Anni Cyrus can be followed on Substack and at Liveuptofreedom.com. May the Iranian people get a peace and freedom loving leader, who will help stabilize the Middle East.
This history of "epic failure" really slanted towards the negative.
You nailed it, Mr Hayes. The notion of "failure" is, after all, unavoidably negative. But the commentary to which you succinctly refer does indeed seem to reflect a heaping helping of confirmation bias, methinks. That, I suppose, corroborates your conclusion that the commentary was a bit "slanted" toward such negative predispositions. Sometimes rational arguments like those to which you refer need a little more reason than rhetoric to add value to the discourse. Alas, such is the stuff that comprises sophistry, intentionally insidious or otherwise -- and it is up to us to parse wisdom from knowledge.
Didn't feel like making a point by point rebuttal at the time.
I avoid tossing pearls to swine, figuratively speaking, of course. I.e., I won't waste time arguing with ideological captives. But, as someone once said, " .. forgive them for they know not what the do" or something like that --- instead, I tend to ferret out relevant, intelligent, and sincere commentary, with a pinch of provocation and offer some notions that those who may merely be just perusing the dialogues might just be triggered by a spark of common sense. Maybe that might reset their brains or at least make them curious. It's a Red Pill Thing, I suppose. So much garbage -- so little time.
John,
That's a great list of foibles. These missteps ignored Thomas Jefferson's advice of "honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none."
In an antique shop, there may be a sign saying "You break it, you buy it" -- indicating that the outcome of you messing around in someone else's backyard or neighborhood can often be considered to be your fault. It is better not to mess around in another's backyard or neighborhood.
It can be entangling.
But the world is a lot smaller than it used to be, and our "neighborhoods" are now adjacent. Fences that kept the neighbors out of our own backyard no longer accomplish that task. When they are already in your backyard or neighborhood, a new property emerges and wise old adages lose relevance.
This instance does not fit your pattern. The thesis is invalid.
Iran has made the USA citizenry hostages to their own fears of t-ism, and by extension they have forfeited (allowed to be seized) their liberties in the name of perpetual, impossible safety: TSA, DHS, Patriot Act, FISA.
The state needs to know everything about everyone or else something "preventable" may occur. That's not compatible with normal living that accommodates car crashes, shark attacks, slip/falls, drowning, airline accidents, and so on. T-ism manifests in actual losses that are de mimimis when placed in hierarchy with all other societal dangers, yet the state controls every aspect of life for its prevention.
Iran has been an active danger that should have been cleaned out decades ago. Here we are. Give Trump the credit due for confronting this festering mess and don't second guess him.
If you wish to be the critic, go on record with certitude. Otherwise, don't cower behind prognostications of "maybe something imperfect may ensue". When the regime's leaders are killed and their command infrastructure is decimated, then the Iranians will do whatever they decide at the time. If it wholesale improves their lot, what will you have to say? If strife ensues, well, guess that's 2+ factions who are going to duke it out for the decision about whose interests reign supreme--that's called Iranian self-determination, something you shouldn't get a chance to interfere with. Regardless, the Iran abililty to project t-ism to USA interests ceases.
When the plague of t-ism ends, then USA citizens may recover from decades long anxiety and begin to act like more grounded people. So, good for Iran, good for America, good for the rest of the world.
Good enough for thee?
By the way, your covid-era ascension has been induced by the wave of state covid mandates--a creation exclusively rooted in the pure anxiety of a cowering populace...birthed by anti-West t-ism and cemented by 9/11. Tranlsation, if not for the Iranian regime, no covid or covid-era anything.
Also read Dennis Kuvinichs unsparing look at this turn of events.. also on substack.