Charlie Kirk's assassination in Utah should prompt an examination of the large number of Mormons in the Bureau, their leadership, and their attachments.
When I worked very closely with the ATF in the early to mid 90's on arson cases, I know several agents who were present in the Koresh Waco calamity. They were from the Dallas Office and were working in a support role as backup. They told me the main ATF team running the operation was sent down from Connecticut.
Are you suggesting that humans do not conspire? That Zionists in the US do not exist or hold positions of power in government and industry? That the Talmud and Torah are benign and preach peace and love?
And that would have been a better way for you to make your point. There is no "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. People in government are free to practice whatever religion they want (Free Exercise Clause), even in government, they just can't make the rest of us practice whatever religion they want by "establishing" a state religion.
That's a brilliant response to a comment that should be shouted from the mountaintops. The phrase "separation of church and state" is misused continually to propagate the false idea that religion and government cannot coexist in America. That is not true, and we need to stop using a statement made by Thomas Jefferson in a completely different context as the pillar on which they make such a false claim.
Uh, no, he wasn't. What he was endeavoring to do was to get young people to make that decision themselves, outside of the government's coercion. He fully understood the First Amendment, and how the Establishment Clause prohibits that.
If you have some hidden video of Charlie saying that the government should establish Christianity as our national religion, please share that with us.
There is a significant difference between the government mandating Christendom, and encouraging the population to freely choose it. Contrary to what the left has been doing for decades, which is moving us further and further from the ideals that this country was founded on.
It can reasonably be argued that the efforts by the left are, in their own way, no different than the efforts of the right. With the exception that the left wants to make us all do it whether we agree or not. Hence the recent efforts to "cancel" people who don't use the "correct" pronouns when addressing people. Biology be damned. The right on the other hand, is simply trying to provide factual information that will convince people to make a choice for Christ on their own.
Christians don't become Christians because some law said they had to. They do it because they understand the Gospel at a level that makes sense to them, and they see God moving in their own lives in a way that allows them to make a choice for the one true God.
No one will ever force you to become a Christian. It doesn't work that way. If you don't deep in your soul believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, and that he died on a cross to redeem YOUR sins, along with the rest of humanity, then nothing any government can do will make you a Christian.
Wasn't it Johnson that tried to stop churches from speaking on politics with his Johnson Act. Very unconstitutional. Why didn't the pastors/churches and Congress take that law to SCOTUS>?
It was enforced till only recently that Trump said he would not. It was to stop mainly black churches from preaching politics but most all denominations stopped talking candidates and legislators from the pulpit even today they don’t! Pastors were scared like I guess n Germany. But they should be screaming about the corruption in our govt!! Globalists agenda; Covid shot murders; and much more!!
Sadly, UT is full of Mormons who are discriminating against other religions and won't hire any employees if they are not Mormon. I have heard more than one person say they made their lives really difficult if they refused Mormonism. The UT Gov is corrupt, and immediately I heard that Charlie did not like him, and did not trust him. I then read that he is trying to get a corrupt law firm that he knows to handle Tyler's case. They will railroad him right to death. The state requires a special certification for a lawyer to handle a death sentence case. So that tells you why the UT Gov started screaming about that from day 1. All to get his friend's law firm in there. But, friends of Tyler had found a really great NY law firm that would do it pro bono. The Gov was fighting them. Do you know what the outcome is?
NO it doesn’t but you sound like Diane Feinstein when she interrogated Amy Coney Barrett with the words “ the dogma lives loudly in you “ . You didn’t really say any of that , did you ? I’m not a Mormon but my alliance is to Jesus Christ , as is my husbands , a retired army chaplain . Are you implying we are not fit to serve ?
All are cults from the outside looking in. And intra-nicene battles have caused the death and misery of millions throughout history. (Frank Zappa's discussion of religious wars, "Dumb All Over" is a worthy listen...)
That’s exactly why Mormons should not be able to police themselves or other people they give preferential treatment and fact their religion does not allow them to press charges against another Mormon
A cult is how the leaders indoctrinate and manipulate and control their followers that take away free choice and liberty that makes them a cult; not necessarily what they teach! Fear, finances, physical, emotional and spiritual abuse, food and sleep deprivation, forced marriages, isolation and separation from parents and families even types of drugs , constant music and teaching - loud volumes; did I mention sexual abuse assault and violence? Yes there are many cults!
Actually, it is common knowledge among the LDS community that the proportion of high security positions containing those of our faith (the FBI is just one agency) is skewed toward us LDS members. There is nothing new, nor have we kept it a secret. If you didn't know of this fact until recently, it's on you.
Now, I agree with you that we should review to ensure we have the best people in such important positions. This should be something done continually, regardless of the faith.
As for the reasons for the skewness, it may interest you that, percentage-wise, there is more integrity among the LDS community compared to many other faith organizations. Like everyone with strong faith, we were taught to be honest always, to do our best with what we are tasked, to be morally virtuous, and to be sexually pure. This latter one should not surprise you, as sex is one of the greatest weapons utilized by our enemies. It helps that we are sworn to the above in the most sacred way in our temples.
Next, we recognize the US Constitution as a divinely inspired document. Many of our church leaders talked about how the Lord led the wise men to create it, but there is nothing more powerful than one of our scriptures: D&C 101:77-80, which reads in part:
"80 And for this purpose have [The Lord] established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose,..."
Finally, you may want to look into what Charles Kirk said about Mormons. He had many of them working for him in his organization, and he greatly appreciated their contributions.
I am not saying we are perfect people. I merely pointed out what is shared among ourselves as to the reasons. I may be mistaken, but I know we genuinely love this country. We pray for our country leaders daily. We call upon God's power to protect our military. We contribute to the communities through our families and many selfless services. Again, nothing among those makes us distinct from everyone else, but there is enough of us to make ourselves more transparent for the important positions within the government.
Is there any official update on the Charlie Kirk assassination? It takes government involvement to cover up the truth -- which is what seems to be happening.
His buddies are laughing as they are helping him on the stage. He had a squib on and shots are made by pyrotechnics. I'm so puzzled as to why it is continued to be said he was assassinated. We keep seeing different Erikas too. John Leake, you must know about this, no?
As an aside, but tangential to John’s trademark depth of perspective, for those of us old enough to remember the secretive billion Howard Hughes, he relied on what was commonly referred to as “ the Mormon Mafia” for security and secrecy.
IMHO, I think attacking a woman who has just lost her husband is such a lack of manners and grace, and doesn’t speak to the kindness and class in us all. Many beautiful women are hated and envied, and can end up mainly alone. I’m positive the Salem Witch Trials burned a fair number of attractive women, to preserve a husband’s attention and shut down the self-hate of comparison, as if we are not enough.
Erika has participated formally in Beauty Pageants, and has her idea of looking professional, setting an example of being feminine to her children, along with the resources to enjoy decorating hair, skin and figure. It is her time to shine, despite being on survival in grieving, and I think Charlie was spoiled to have someone who cared about being attractive for him. I also believe Charlie would grieve that his wife has been opened for attack, and he is not here to protect her.
It's the obviously poor security that bothered me in Butler, PA and the same goes for Utah. 13 Roman Emperors were assassinated by their own Praetorian guard assigned to protect them. I am not stating this is the case, just making the observation.
Sure. Lax security is a problem when you have situations where emotions are heightened, and this is especially true in today’s political environment. It was and is definitely a problem. But if it were truly a conspiracy with Mormon FBI at the helm it would make much more sense to NOT carry it out in Utah.
Be that as it may, it still makes less sense from an organizational standpoint for a “Mormon FBI Mafia” to carry out something like this in Utah. And there is no evidence that anything Charlie did or said was particularly abhorrent to “Mormons” at large. So making “observations” like this just serves to divide an already divided country and supports religious bigotry.
If the Mormons were vindictive over abhorrent slights against their culture, Trey Parker, Robert Lopez, and Matt Stone, the creators of the satirical musical "The Book of Mormon" might be higher on their list than anyone.
Eh? UVU is all the better place to conceal evidence and investigation. Tyler Robinson was more of a "Jill" Mormon than "Jack". Starting to turn against IshaRaEl was abhorrent to LdS at large; they're Zionist!
Name the birds with associated evidence. Are you suggesting some of the birds were Mormons leaders? He probably was ruffling feathers. He usually was of someone or another. But suggesting that implicates Mormons and specifically Mormons who work at the FBI seems a little far fetched without any supporting evidence.
Absolutely not suggesting Mormons. I can't give the evidence, as I am not AI, and I am simply relaying what I watched, not doing a college paper here. Since it is recent, there is a good chance you could find something on it. I watched a YouTube, don't tag the names of the many videos I watch, it had a good friend of Charlie's speaking, who stated, he had declined massive donations by Israel, and he felt fear for doing so. Regardless, so far, the information we have is that Robinson was the shooter, anything beyond that is merely speculation, which humans tend to do.
Sorry. I have heard many of the suggestions of ruffling feathers regarding the support, or lack thereof, of a certain country by Charlie. I just supposed because you were responding to my comment you were implicating the Mormons without any evidence, but I misunderstood. Thanks for your response.
I have a feeling this article was written to engage conversation, but Mr. Dedalus, not knowing exactly what you mean as hot, Mormons have a Word of Wisdom that forbids smoking and coffee, or any alcohol, that show up as aging the skin and leaching water and nutrients, etc. They used to forbid caffeine, but may have compromised there. Even hot chocolate has some caffeine. The “Foodist” movement started in the East Coast, and included religions such as the Seventh Day Adventists. Joseph Smith claimed the Word of Wisdom as a revelation or instruction from God. In Mormon homes you might find Ovaltine, Pero or Postum.
Many Mormon women bake bread, have gardens and can food, curl their hair for Sunday and dress modestly vs. for enticement. Many have a glow about them.
Was it single women that you are referring to, by the way? I can see your name on a list. Jk.
You forgot one clear aspect to why Mormons are preferred for the mentioned agencies. They are taught to obey authority figures without question regardless of what conscious would dictate. That is part and parcel of cult practice. They have been pre-programmed since earliest childhood. How convenient for the government. Very sad. I was a member for 20 years so I speak as a former insider.
The Book of Mormon was a novel written by a retired Methodist minister. His handwritten manuscript was stolen from him by an apprentice at the print shop which he took the manuscript to for it to be printed. This apprentice was a close friend and scam artist with Joseph Smith. This writing is what is claimed to have been translated from golden plates (which had to weigh a whole lot!) when JS dug up where angel told him to dig. Problem is the handwriting in the original manuscript (in museum) which was written by Spalding we all know, matches that handwriting in a letter from him found by a relative from way back. Remarkable huh?
FBI should run facial recognition on the military like guy in the front row when CK was assissinated
and at the moment he was shot pointed his right hand at Charlie and he may have had a transmitter that triggered the shot. Then I read that he ran towards Charlie to help? Then someone disassembled the video camera and it disappeared. Did dark forces see Charlie as the President of the US in 7 years and decide to take him out because of his Constitutional and Christian views?
As far as I know Mormons are conservative in their values.
I don’t necessarily think that these “soldiers” of the FBI and CIA are thinking that far ahead regarding politics. I think the rank and file Mormon man is non drinking, non drugging, dependable family man. Willing and capable to working toward a common goal. And loyal in an unquestioning way. They will follow orders for the good of others— or the perceived good of others. I will let the reader make conclusions regarding pitfalls to such good qualities.
Not to mention such qualities are naive, even downright stupid. That lemming quality is why the COVID response was cheered on. I prefer people who question everything.
So, somehow are Mormons "lemmings", and the average US military recruit is not?
And how do you know the following of an authority figure's call to an action is not accompanied by, "Is this the right and correct action to take"? (Like every moral person I have ever known would think before action.)
Where did I say the average US military recruit was anything? I was a military recruit in 1970, I know what they were like then. Human nature hasn't changed in a few generations. As far as asking if an authority figure's call to action "is the right and correct action to take", that's a minority position. As a past military recruit, and someone who lived through COVID, that's crystal clear Human history is mostly a shiite show of living under tyranny because of 2 reasons - the worst tend to rise to power, and most people are lemmings who follow them. If we lived in a world of mostly people like "every moral person (you) have ever known" things would be far different and much better. We don't.
When I saw Kirk was assassinated in Utah, I had the same thoughts about the Mormons and their connection to intelligence agencies. I have serious doubts as to whether Bondi, Bongino and Trump can be trusted to conduct a fair investigation. Reminds me of JFK. History does not often repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
Steven, I agree the Feds are untrustworthy, but why are they even involved? The victim was not a Federal officer or politician. The accused murderer resided in the same state where the crime occurred, and there's no indication he crossed any state lines. Why can't the Utah government do this job?
Leave no stone unturned. Why I watch Candace Owens now. Not into foreign governments or billionaires blackmailing, bribing, brainwashing and assassination free speech.
Interesting observation. When I was more conversant with some of the Mormon leadership, they were very busy raising money and supporting the effort to remove Russia from Afghanistan. They raised money, some laundered through U.S. savings and loans , for the CIA. And they sponsored a rebel leader... some guy named Bin Ladin. They were very patriotic and very engaged in the fight.
I have read where Tyler Robinson's uncle is former special ops and trains young ROTC men for covert work in Ukraine. They train under the guise of mission work in foriegn countries but are then diverted to Ukraine to guard our biolabs. Under the Morman mission doctrine they are willing to do whatever they are told. How true this is, I don't know. However I'm old enough (77 yrs old) to remember all the questionable hits that have happened over my lifetime. Just saying!! Blessings!!
Candace Owens reported that the FBI cohort sent to Utah was from CT, where the FBI shares an office with the ADL.
When I worked very closely with the ATF in the early to mid 90's on arson cases, I know several agents who were present in the Koresh Waco calamity. They were from the Dallas Office and were working in a support role as backup. They told me the main ATF team running the operation was sent down from Connecticut.
That may or may nor be true. But i disregard most of what candace owens says. she has gone down the conspiracy and anti semitism rabbit hole.
Are you suggesting that humans do not conspire? That Zionists in the US do not exist or hold positions of power in government and industry? That the Talmud and Torah are benign and preach peace and love?
Did you really write the words "...the U.S. Constitution’s separation of church and state."?
Sounds like you need refresher on the U.S. Constitution.
See First Amendment Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause. The US does not have a state religion.
And that would have been a better way for you to make your point. There is no "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. People in government are free to practice whatever religion they want (Free Exercise Clause), even in government, they just can't make the rest of us practice whatever religion they want by "establishing" a state religion.
Your panties are too tight.
That's a brilliant response to a comment that should be shouted from the mountaintops. The phrase "separation of church and state" is misused continually to propagate the false idea that religion and government cannot coexist in America. That is not true, and we need to stop using a statement made by Thomas Jefferson in a completely different context as the pillar on which they make such a false claim.
Deliberate misuses are the puzzle pieces that never fit mosaic.
We must reveal those flaws every moment we can.
Our nation has done extremely well as a civilization "experiment"!
And I have a good feeling this will carry on as well.
Do you think it's fair to say that by way of the First Amendment the federal government is bound to remain neutral on all matters religious?
Which is what Charlie Kirk was endeavoring to do.
Uh, no, he wasn't. What he was endeavoring to do was to get young people to make that decision themselves, outside of the government's coercion. He fully understood the First Amendment, and how the Establishment Clause prohibits that.
If you have some hidden video of Charlie saying that the government should establish Christianity as our national religion, please share that with us.
Read the Seven Mountain Mandate, great book, it digs deep. No way I could explain it here in a comment section.
There is a significant difference between the government mandating Christendom, and encouraging the population to freely choose it. Contrary to what the left has been doing for decades, which is moving us further and further from the ideals that this country was founded on.
It can reasonably be argued that the efforts by the left are, in their own way, no different than the efforts of the right. With the exception that the left wants to make us all do it whether we agree or not. Hence the recent efforts to "cancel" people who don't use the "correct" pronouns when addressing people. Biology be damned. The right on the other hand, is simply trying to provide factual information that will convince people to make a choice for Christ on their own.
Christians don't become Christians because some law said they had to. They do it because they understand the Gospel at a level that makes sense to them, and they see God moving in their own lives in a way that allows them to make a choice for the one true God.
No one will ever force you to become a Christian. It doesn't work that way. If you don't deep in your soul believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, and that he died on a cross to redeem YOUR sins, along with the rest of humanity, then nothing any government can do will make you a Christian.
Wasn't it Johnson that tried to stop churches from speaking on politics with his Johnson Act. Very unconstitutional. Why didn't the pastors/churches and Congress take that law to SCOTUS>?
It was never enforced because it would have been deemed unconstitutional.
It was enforced till only recently that Trump said he would not. It was to stop mainly black churches from preaching politics but most all denominations stopped talking candidates and legislators from the pulpit even today they don’t! Pastors were scared like I guess n Germany. But they should be screaming about the corruption in our govt!! Globalists agenda; Covid shot murders; and much more!!
Sadly, UT is full of Mormons who are discriminating against other religions and won't hire any employees if they are not Mormon. I have heard more than one person say they made their lives really difficult if they refused Mormonism. The UT Gov is corrupt, and immediately I heard that Charlie did not like him, and did not trust him. I then read that he is trying to get a corrupt law firm that he knows to handle Tyler's case. They will railroad him right to death. The state requires a special certification for a lawyer to handle a death sentence case. So that tells you why the UT Gov started screaming about that from day 1. All to get his friend's law firm in there. But, friends of Tyler had found a really great NY law firm that would do it pro bono. The Gov was fighting them. Do you know what the outcome is?
My BIL lived there a few years as a non Mormon and would definitely concur that he was discriminated against, esp by law enforcement.
actually THEY DO...ITS WORSHIP OF THE GOVT... snd BTW JOHN... They need to look at IS RAEL IN BEING COMPLICIT...
NO it doesn’t but you sound like Diane Feinstein when she interrogated Amy Coney Barrett with the words “ the dogma lives loudly in you “ . You didn’t really say any of that , did you ? I’m not a Mormon but my alliance is to Jesus Christ , as is my husbands , a retired army chaplain . Are you implying we are not fit to serve ?
Understood, but separation of CULT and state is an entirely different thing!
All are cults from the outside looking in. And intra-nicene battles have caused the death and misery of millions throughout history. (Frank Zappa's discussion of religious wars, "Dumb All Over" is a worthy listen...)
That’s exactly why Mormons should not be able to police themselves or other people they give preferential treatment and fact their religion does not allow them to press charges against another Mormon
Except, everyone is called cults at some point?
another Brain/dead/washed commentator
A cult is how the leaders indoctrinate and manipulate and control their followers that take away free choice and liberty that makes them a cult; not necessarily what they teach! Fear, finances, physical, emotional and spiritual abuse, food and sleep deprivation, forced marriages, isolation and separation from parents and families even types of drugs , constant music and teaching - loud volumes; did I mention sexual abuse assault and violence? Yes there are many cults!
Actually, it is common knowledge among the LDS community that the proportion of high security positions containing those of our faith (the FBI is just one agency) is skewed toward us LDS members. There is nothing new, nor have we kept it a secret. If you didn't know of this fact until recently, it's on you.
Now, I agree with you that we should review to ensure we have the best people in such important positions. This should be something done continually, regardless of the faith.
As for the reasons for the skewness, it may interest you that, percentage-wise, there is more integrity among the LDS community compared to many other faith organizations. Like everyone with strong faith, we were taught to be honest always, to do our best with what we are tasked, to be morally virtuous, and to be sexually pure. This latter one should not surprise you, as sex is one of the greatest weapons utilized by our enemies. It helps that we are sworn to the above in the most sacred way in our temples.
Next, we recognize the US Constitution as a divinely inspired document. Many of our church leaders talked about how the Lord led the wise men to create it, but there is nothing more powerful than one of our scriptures: D&C 101:77-80, which reads in part:
"80 And for this purpose have [The Lord] established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose,..."
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/101?lang=eng&id=p77-p80#p77
Finally, you may want to look into what Charles Kirk said about Mormons. He had many of them working for him in his organization, and he greatly appreciated their contributions.
I am not saying we are perfect people. I merely pointed out what is shared among ourselves as to the reasons. I may be mistaken, but I know we genuinely love this country. We pray for our country leaders daily. We call upon God's power to protect our military. We contribute to the communities through our families and many selfless services. Again, nothing among those makes us distinct from everyone else, but there is enough of us to make ourselves more transparent for the important positions within the government.
Is there any official update on the Charlie Kirk assassination? It takes government involvement to cover up the truth -- which is what seems to be happening.
Gardner, not sure of his first name? on YouTube, seems to be a trustworthy, diligent investigative journalist.
Gardner lives in Utah too. I’ve been wondering if he is LDS?
Mormons and Freemasons are kissing cousins in the higher ranks.
In the higher ranks it's a different ball game.
His buddies are laughing as they are helping him on the stage. He had a squib on and shots are made by pyrotechnics. I'm so puzzled as to why it is continued to be said he was assassinated. We keep seeing different Erikas too. John Leake, you must know about this, no?
So you believe all the independent cell videos of the shooting have been Zapruter'ed?
Charlie's physiological response to being shot could not be faked. And blood gushing from carotid artery is not a blood looking packet release...
As an aside, but tangential to John’s trademark depth of perspective, for those of us old enough to remember the secretive billion Howard Hughes, he relied on what was commonly referred to as “ the Mormon Mafia” for security and secrecy.
I can tell you this is true. I had a cousin that worked for HH in the 60's-70's as a close aid. He hired them because of their honesty and integrity.
To clarify: the use of the term “Mafia” to describe this security force was tongue in check and in no way pejorative. That was commonly understood.
Erika is the fakest looking woman ever IMHO
IMHO, I think attacking a woman who has just lost her husband is such a lack of manners and grace, and doesn’t speak to the kindness and class in us all. Many beautiful women are hated and envied, and can end up mainly alone. I’m positive the Salem Witch Trials burned a fair number of attractive women, to preserve a husband’s attention and shut down the self-hate of comparison, as if we are not enough.
Erika has participated formally in Beauty Pageants, and has her idea of looking professional, setting an example of being feminine to her children, along with the resources to enjoy decorating hair, skin and figure. It is her time to shine, despite being on survival in grieving, and I think Charlie was spoiled to have someone who cared about being attractive for him. I also believe Charlie would grieve that his wife has been opened for attack, and he is not here to protect her.
Your jealousy is showing!
Well given the fact that Charlie employed large numbers of LDS people AND the fact that the accused was definitely not practicing, my guess is no.
It's the obviously poor security that bothered me in Butler, PA and the same goes for Utah. 13 Roman Emperors were assassinated by their own Praetorian guard assigned to protect them. I am not stating this is the case, just making the observation.
I think it's a fair observation, well done, sir. At the same time, the average Mormon is an awesome neighbor. Leave no stone unturned in my opinion.
And what if the guards were facing pay cuts due to loss of financial support? Could be they’d be a tad less loyal??
We still don't have enough information. It is interesting to speculate though.
Sure. Lax security is a problem when you have situations where emotions are heightened, and this is especially true in today’s political environment. It was and is definitely a problem. But if it were truly a conspiracy with Mormon FBI at the helm it would make much more sense to NOT carry it out in Utah.
Tyler Robinson appears to be a patsy with a drop gun.
Be that as it may, it still makes less sense from an organizational standpoint for a “Mormon FBI Mafia” to carry out something like this in Utah. And there is no evidence that anything Charlie did or said was particularly abhorrent to “Mormons” at large. So making “observations” like this just serves to divide an already divided country and supports religious bigotry.
If the Mormons were vindictive over abhorrent slights against their culture, Trey Parker, Robert Lopez, and Matt Stone, the creators of the satirical musical "The Book of Mormon" might be higher on their list than anyone.
Eh? UVU is all the better place to conceal evidence and investigation. Tyler Robinson was more of a "Jill" Mormon than "Jack". Starting to turn against IshaRaEl was abhorrent to LdS at large; they're Zionist!
How so? How does it make it “easier” to conceal evidence?
Charlie was ruffling the feathers of those who wanted him to fully support Israel.
Name the birds with associated evidence. Are you suggesting some of the birds were Mormons leaders? He probably was ruffling feathers. He usually was of someone or another. But suggesting that implicates Mormons and specifically Mormons who work at the FBI seems a little far fetched without any supporting evidence.
Absolutely not suggesting Mormons. I can't give the evidence, as I am not AI, and I am simply relaying what I watched, not doing a college paper here. Since it is recent, there is a good chance you could find something on it. I watched a YouTube, don't tag the names of the many videos I watch, it had a good friend of Charlie's speaking, who stated, he had declined massive donations by Israel, and he felt fear for doing so. Regardless, so far, the information we have is that Robinson was the shooter, anything beyond that is merely speculation, which humans tend to do.
Sorry. I have heard many of the suggestions of ruffling feathers regarding the support, or lack thereof, of a certain country by Charlie. I just supposed because you were responding to my comment you were implicating the Mormons without any evidence, but I misunderstood. Thanks for your response.
Mormons keep secrets well, too, I hear...
guess you DIDNT HEAR IT if it was a Secret 🤣🤣
I heard it from somebody, and I'm not saying who.
President Russell Nelson who just passed away was a pioneer in open heart surgery, with many well deserved honors.
Maybe that's another reason they make good FBI employees.
Those given to blabbing everything they hear are not wise.
Ho hum. This conversation is so banal. Can we change the subject? I’ll start: Why are Mormon women so hot?
I have a feeling this article was written to engage conversation, but Mr. Dedalus, not knowing exactly what you mean as hot, Mormons have a Word of Wisdom that forbids smoking and coffee, or any alcohol, that show up as aging the skin and leaching water and nutrients, etc. They used to forbid caffeine, but may have compromised there. Even hot chocolate has some caffeine. The “Foodist” movement started in the East Coast, and included religions such as the Seventh Day Adventists. Joseph Smith claimed the Word of Wisdom as a revelation or instruction from God. In Mormon homes you might find Ovaltine, Pero or Postum.
Many Mormon women bake bread, have gardens and can food, curl their hair for Sunday and dress modestly vs. for enticement. Many have a glow about them.
Was it single women that you are referring to, by the way? I can see your name on a list. Jk.
You forgot one clear aspect to why Mormons are preferred for the mentioned agencies. They are taught to obey authority figures without question regardless of what conscious would dictate. That is part and parcel of cult practice. They have been pre-programmed since earliest childhood. How convenient for the government. Very sad. I was a member for 20 years so I speak as a former insider.
Your experience is not everyone’s experience.
The Book of Mormon was a novel written by a retired Methodist minister. His handwritten manuscript was stolen from him by an apprentice at the print shop which he took the manuscript to for it to be printed. This apprentice was a close friend and scam artist with Joseph Smith. This writing is what is claimed to have been translated from golden plates (which had to weigh a whole lot!) when JS dug up where angel told him to dig. Problem is the handwriting in the original manuscript (in museum) which was written by Spalding we all know, matches that handwriting in a letter from him found by a relative from way back. Remarkable huh?
FBI should run facial recognition on the military like guy in the front row when CK was assissinated
and at the moment he was shot pointed his right hand at Charlie and he may have had a transmitter that triggered the shot. Then I read that he ran towards Charlie to help? Then someone disassembled the video camera and it disappeared. Did dark forces see Charlie as the President of the US in 7 years and decide to take him out because of his Constitutional and Christian views?
As far as I know Mormons are conservative in their values.
I don’t necessarily think that these “soldiers” of the FBI and CIA are thinking that far ahead regarding politics. I think the rank and file Mormon man is non drinking, non drugging, dependable family man. Willing and capable to working toward a common goal. And loyal in an unquestioning way. They will follow orders for the good of others— or the perceived good of others. I will let the reader make conclusions regarding pitfalls to such good qualities.
I don’t think it had anything to do with the Mormons.
Of course not. But such good qualities can be exploited and manipulated.
The faithful foot soldiers in this life can be used so badly by rot at the top. We’ve all seen it….
Not to mention such qualities are naive, even downright stupid. That lemming quality is why the COVID response was cheered on. I prefer people who question everything.
So, somehow are Mormons "lemmings", and the average US military recruit is not?
And how do you know the following of an authority figure's call to an action is not accompanied by, "Is this the right and correct action to take"? (Like every moral person I have ever known would think before action.)
Where did I say the average US military recruit was anything? I was a military recruit in 1970, I know what they were like then. Human nature hasn't changed in a few generations. As far as asking if an authority figure's call to action "is the right and correct action to take", that's a minority position. As a past military recruit, and someone who lived through COVID, that's crystal clear Human history is mostly a shiite show of living under tyranny because of 2 reasons - the worst tend to rise to power, and most people are lemmings who follow them. If we lived in a world of mostly people like "every moral person (you) have ever known" things would be far different and much better. We don't.
I know several, very solid people. I think the source of their religion is questionable, but they have the right to choose.
When I saw Kirk was assassinated in Utah, I had the same thoughts about the Mormons and their connection to intelligence agencies. I have serious doubts as to whether Bondi, Bongino and Trump can be trusted to conduct a fair investigation. Reminds me of JFK. History does not often repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
Steven, I agree the Feds are untrustworthy, but why are they even involved? The victim was not a Federal officer or politician. The accused murderer resided in the same state where the crime occurred, and there's no indication he crossed any state lines. Why can't the Utah government do this job?
Leave no stone unturned. Why I watch Candace Owens now. Not into foreign governments or billionaires blackmailing, bribing, brainwashing and assassination free speech.
Interesting observation. When I was more conversant with some of the Mormon leadership, they were very busy raising money and supporting the effort to remove Russia from Afghanistan. They raised money, some laundered through U.S. savings and loans , for the CIA. And they sponsored a rebel leader... some guy named Bin Ladin. They were very patriotic and very engaged in the fight.
I have read where Tyler Robinson's uncle is former special ops and trains young ROTC men for covert work in Ukraine. They train under the guise of mission work in foriegn countries but are then diverted to Ukraine to guard our biolabs. Under the Morman mission doctrine they are willing to do whatever they are told. How true this is, I don't know. However I'm old enough (77 yrs old) to remember all the questionable hits that have happened over my lifetime. Just saying!! Blessings!!
Wow. Had not heard that. And though I have a year on you, over the long run I have seen nothing that would say otherwise. lol