Forgiveness doesn't depend on the perpetrators actions. It's a act of will, to forgive because Jesus Christ forgave us while we were yet sinners. Erika's act of forgiveness was powerful and genuine.
Turning the tide of hate is the challenge that is confronting the American experience. As long as the mass media ignores Charlie Kirk’s message to all it will be an uphill challenge. I pray we overcome.
This has always been the way of the rich and powerful. Sow lies and hatred to create division. We will never be free until we all raise our heads out of the blood and gore to see these "elites" laughing ay us as they profit from our hatred. Charlie was doing a good job of opening eyes. That is why he is gone. R.I.P. Charlie. You will always be a hero of the truth.
1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Erika, nice sentiment, but what is the reality shared by Jesus and the gospel in the Bible? If your position is correct then, Jesus had two detractors hanging next to him. One repented. Both would've been saved as he "died and rose again" for all people. Yet Scripture states "whom soever will..." John 3:16-17 nkjv For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
You’re right that Jesus calls us to a forgiving *posture*—but he conditions a restored relationship on repentance. “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him” (Luke 17:3–4).
And in Matthew 18:15–17, he lays out steps of correction where ongoing fellowship *definitely* depends on a repentant response.
So we keep our hearts free of bitterness (vengeance is God's), but full reconciliation happens only when there’s repentance.
I've pointed this out to many who rotely blurt out "Forgive so you will be forgiven." This is not accurately interpreted scripture and places much disastrous neurotic guilt on the masses. Her automatic "forgiveness" is neither appropriate nor natural., especially due her very young age and situation with infants. There is a time to grieve and have righteous anger. This whole story is more and more questionable by the day.
Exactly. Those who choose to forgive do so not only because we as Christians are called to do so, but also because if we don’t, the rot that festers like a sliver, will continue to rot until we forgive. Not forgiving those who have trespassed against us can only serve as resentment that will destroy our peace and keep us from our relationship with God. It’s like pouring gasoline on a fire. Overtime, all that’s left is uglier than one can imagine and before we know it, we are consumed by hatred. It does nothing to affect the one who has caused it. Their life goes on.
Although this young man’s unthinkable crime has affected society and will continue to for many decades, the same feelings are still prevalent, but on a global scale. That’s a whole other level of hatred for him by most of those who love Charlie and are grieving for his loss. Those who are celebrating his death are doing so with the same level of hatred towards Charlie and are the ones holding the gas can in their attempt to destroy his legacy. Forgiveness will stop them from achieving their goal and we’ll continue what Charlie has started and build upon his foundation of his love for Christ and those who have not yet had the opportunity to understand the gospels of the Savior and his love for them.
The case of the cold-blooded assassination of Charlie Kirk requires justice to be served and the evildoers be punished. Erika can forgive the killer, but the killer MUST BE PUNISHED to the full extent of the law.
God CANNOT save unrepentant sinners of the world. In fact, the assassins do not need forgiveness because he or they have not asked for it. At least, not yet.
It is better to understand than to be understood. I look at all the serious mental cases in todays world...and blame it on our government. The government promoted the financial interests of the industry's and not the American people. I believe drugs (illegal and legal) affected the minds of many; the vaccines required to go to school or enter service. Plus, all the processed nutrient-poor food... robbed their brains of the ability to analyze and think. In addition, the government permitted curriculum changes in the school system, which de-emphasized the 3 R's; and its rote learning developed a nation of robots who could be easily manipulated.. In order to get back on course, the people must get rid of the causes that brought America to this point.
FOLKS YOU CAN COPY THIS AND SHARE FAR AND WIDE TO MSM/POLITICIANS etc!-------- CO'n'VID INQUIRIES!? ARE PEOPLE BEING BLOCKED FROM GIVING FACTS AND TRUTHS!?
On a personal level I have no proof that people have been blocked from giving statement and maybe asking questions etc!? If that has happened it would be no shock if people then went and reported elderly suspicious deaths to the police. Like wise with deaths from the POISON JABS!? That raises the question how are the police dealing with it?
One has to wonder is people have got together and may have lawyers working in the back ground on cases!? YES/NO?
You never see much in the MSM so have they been BOUGHT/GAGGED or what ever?
As it stands cover up of cover ups seems the way it is heading--YES/NO?
Is it time for people world wide to get together and start publishing facts and truths in alternative media. With all the EPSTIEN/ROYALS/TRUMP etc shenanigans going on it would not be a bad time to stick the boot into the SATANIC EVIL PERFIDIOUS SCROTES that have been riding rough shod over the people for far too long!
The US dollar debased, the lower interest Rates, and continuous over debt burden amounts to one thing only. Countries in decline to neo feudalism. And Middle Class wiped out on purpose. Will I forgive that??? NEVER.
They are ignorant and it unaware of the fatal deceit and blatant deception which is perpetrated upon their trusting nature. And these elitist people are purposely via their conduits in likes of WeF have created a financial war upon us all.
With regard to the understandably variable opinions on the subject of forgiveness, I offer this bit, regarding the doctrine of some who demand "unconditional forgiveness" from Christians, regardless of the lack of repentance on the part of the violent murderer.
Here is the passage supporting my view, directly quoted from the KJV Bible, the Gospel According to Luke. (Luke 17:3): .... "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. {17:4} And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him." These words were attributed to Jesus, by Luke. Please note the condition of repentance Jesus spoke of.
Some today contend that forgiveness from Christians is mandatory for every sin, and for every sinner, in obedience to the commandments of Jesus, no matter if the offender fails to repent, or ask for forgiveness. I do not believe this contemporary doctrine is entirely Scriptural, for the reason stated.
I am inclined to believe that an unrepentant murderer should be executed with due diligence. He broke the commandments by committing murder, failing to repent, and showed no mercy. I rely upon the quoted verse in my opinion, and acknowledge that there are many other verses that can be relied upon to support a contrary opinion.
God expects us to forgive, as we have been forgiven. However, unrepentant Christians are fooling themselves if they believe they can continue to offend God, failing to ask for forgiveness, and failing to repent. It is my belief that forgiveness cannot be EXPECTED by the unrepentant, but yet can certainly be offered by the grace of the offended party. There is no duty for the Christian to forgive the unrepentant murderer, in my opinion. I may be wrong, if so, I apologize, and ask forgiveness. Please pray for me also.
Erika Kirk has indeed shown great grace by offering forgiveness to the murderer of her husband Charlie.
IF I WAS THE JUDGE in this case, with the responsibility for sentencing the assassin of Charlie Kirk, his ultimate fate would hinge upon HIS remorse or lack thereof for his evil deeds.
There were two sinners with Jesus when He was crucified... only one of them went to paradise on that day. The other was unrepentant.
I agree with you. That has always been a stumbling block for me. As I understand it, forgiveness is conditional on a true act of repentance. As a Catholic I was taught that we must confess our sins and sincerely say an act of contrition to receive God's forgiveness. What Erika did was extraordinary! She forgave without Robertson repenting and that is truly almost impossible for most of us to do especially after such a heinous crime.
For me as a Buddhist, Martin Luther King, Jr. described the dynamics of hatred best.
" “Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
Love does not exonerate and dismiss culpability. Just punishment must be exercised, but carrying hatred so deeply in the spiritual being creates King's allusion as hatred a force multiplier for destruction.
It seems to me that this is an important thought. MLK was right, hatred never brings light, and that is more important than “forgiveness.” We can each forgive as we choose, but working for a better world and against the evil influences will not be helped by hating the perpetrators.
I have spoken to many dedicated shooters and ballistic experts. There is no way Charlie was shot at 150 yards with a 30-06. Mt personal experience of over 50 years with this calibre tells me this is not possible. It sounds and looks more like a .223 or similar small round than a 30-06. I smell a rat.
Unless the assassin/s has/ve come to Mrs Kirk to confess and ask for forgiveness I think she's doing it all wrong. I prefer this interpretation...
"The bible does not tell us to forgive everybody that does us wrong. The bible tells us to forgive those who come to us and confess their wrongdoing, and ask for forgiveness. That is two totally different things. As Christians we are supposed to forgive others. How? According to scripture, as Christ forgives us. How does Christ forgive us? Scripture is extremely clear. Christ does not forgive us until we come to him and confess our sins, and ask him to forgive us."
I suspect poor Mrs Kirk was grandstanding a false virtue.
Just saying, I have found her incredibly difficult to watch, because so much in her performance/presentation is staged. It comes across inauthentically.
I do not know how anybody can forgive their loved one’s murder. I cannot. The bravery of Erika coming forward and speaking just days after Charlie’s murder is amazing. I cannot forgive the medical political cartel (MPC) for murdering my husband with mRNA Pfizer jabs, never, but when some responsible for the major lies and deceptions eventually either dies and faces the wrath of hell or enters prison for life I’ll smile, just a bit. Forgiveness for murder isn’t in me! Especially intentional murder! Robinson knew and so did the MPC. I’m watching the destruction of civilization in front of my eyes in many ways and many don’t or can’t see it. History always repeats itself! The newest holocaust in disguise.
As soon as I saw the alleged murderer I forgave/dismissed him as an ideological, misguided, very young adult - Charlie's death was the product of a societal dysfunction. It wasn't hard, but then Charlie wasn't my husband.
Like you, I will neither forget nor forgive our state Premier for his pharmaceutical murder of my mother with the DNA AZ jabs. But I would probably immediately fold if he acknowledged and asked for forgiveness.
You are correct. The violent acts to which we have become accustomed are a symptom of a dysfunctional, terminally ill society. Our society is reaping the consequences of the evil that we have allowed to exist, grow, and metastasize in our society. When evil Ideologies, and behaviors contrary to our innate nature, such as transgenderism, and insertion of chemicals that disrupt nature's balance are normalized in society, a violent reaction is to be expected. F**ked up society produces f**ked up people.
I’m sorry for your loss! 😢I cannot forgive intentional murder and it will haunt me forever. Not only did they murder our loved ones, the took part of our soul too! And so far there’s no prosecutions, no acknowledgment, no apology, not even an explanation! That’s because the explanation is depopulation! You can’t apologize for that!!!!!
Thanks, and I should return the same feelings for your loss.
There's a difference between a misled human individual being the vehicle for a murder, than a corporate institutionalised criminal cabal leading the murder.
I have trouble with the cold-blooded killing of the Death Penalty - I'd sooner see the media/democrats/soros hang for the death of Charlie than the young sucker (however possessed by evil) - and would have no issue with the whole pharma/big money/globalist machine being blown to smithereens over the vaccines.
I just saw this headline on twitter "Displaying the British flag in the UK could lead to 'debanking,' warns top political strategist".
If true, it points a blatant arrow at big money running the show.
The debanking of the very powerful Canadian truckers should've been the first sign. The money war is coming.
Also, in the last two days Katie Hopkins has run two conversations (Roseanne Barr and Lara Logan) where she's referred to an article she wrote on human trafficking being the cause for power to all but completely destroy her. She said it in a quiet voice as though it was still not quite discuss-able.
Agreed Julie. I just couldn’t do it so easily. My husband was murdered 2.5 years ago and no one had paid. So no one has asked for forgiveness! Not sure I could oblige!
Yes, of course you're right, but at a time of virtue signaling this type of forgiveness - a type that was damaging and discordant for me - I felt called to put out an alternate approach.
Equanimity, perhaps, unless the pain caused is so great as to be insurmountable. Forgiveness? Only if the perpetrator follows the threefold path to forgiveness: 1) Recognize they have done wrong; 2) Sincerely apologize to those harmed; 3) Devote themselves and their resources to making things as right as is humanly possible.
“I suppose it depends on whether the perpetrators are able to recognize their monstrousness and demonstrate a genuine desire to repent and ask for forgiveness.” I believe that forgiveness requires confession and repentance by the perpetrator. Forgive someone who does not seek forgiveness? No.
The "ideal" of love your enemy is one of the most destructive of concepts to the ideal of justice ever conceived. It is yet another subordination of Reason to faith, wherein the "mercy" of forgiveness "trumps" the morality of justice.
It is very much like the moral ideal of altruism. An individual, whether Christian or not, may choose to be "altruistic" with what is theirs to utilize. Collectively compelling others by force to do so violates the very concept of morality itself!
Just as compulsory altruism destroys whatever society attempts its enforcement, so too will justice subordinated to collective forgiveness and mercy destroy it as well.
While it is certainly Erica's choice to "forgive" the murderer for his act, the proper moral response must always remain guided by justice - NOT its absence. Failure to follow such reasoning amounts to claiming as "virtuous" the forgiving of Hitler (and endless others)!
The current haters don't realize that this assignation of CK was in the spectrum of the Kennedy murders of the 1960s. Not compatible with JFK, but certainly close to the assignation of his brother RFK. Half the country views it this way; it has been that powerful and disheartening. The country we love is torn in half by radical ideology promoted by the media complex, including the entertainment industry. I don't see this ending; half of the country is determined to force their ideologies on the other half, even if it means murder.
Amen! The memorial service was an amazing testimony. We are blessed with Charlie's example and how one man can strengthen God's and our earthly mission.
"...depends on whether the perpetrators are able to recognize their monstrousness and demonstrate a genuine desire to repent and ask for forgiveness.."
Did the French leave Spain voluntarily, or after a plaintive request couched in forgiveness, or after being fought back?
The raging libs today are unworthy citizens, for they reject the morality necessary for a thriving self-governance. Forgiveness is wasted upon such people, for they are savage and incapable of enlightened introspection, making them incapable of receiving and accepting it. Donate a dollar to a rock, and see if it is moved by your generosity; thus is forgiveness upon these people.
Forgiveness in the face of an onslaught is a horrid and disrespectful rejection of the gift of life--it is to be lived--and those who act to take it away are justly stopped before their success occurs. Anyone who chooses or preaches otherwise betrays the value of the gift of life, making the ultimate insult to the Giver of life.
As to hate, one does not necessarily hate the pests that wreck crops. One understands that nature is a constant, minor battle to live--much less thrive--and certain behaviors and tactics are fundamental to eking out an existence while under seige by nature's pests. So, one does not have to hate the coyote in order to protect his sheep. No, he merely protects his sheep and does so without emotion. But, he probably does not consciously forgive the lucky coyote that takes his prize sheep.
Forgiveness doesn't depend on the perpetrators actions. It's a act of will, to forgive because Jesus Christ forgave us while we were yet sinners. Erika's act of forgiveness was powerful and genuine.
Thank you. Erika reinforced and witnessed her belief. All of us can Be a turning point.
Wm Giles - AMEN!
Turning the tide of hate is the challenge that is confronting the American experience. As long as the mass media ignores Charlie Kirk’s message to all it will be an uphill challenge. I pray we overcome.
This has always been the way of the rich and powerful. Sow lies and hatred to create division. We will never be free until we all raise our heads out of the blood and gore to see these "elites" laughing ay us as they profit from our hatred. Charlie was doing a good job of opening eyes. That is why he is gone. R.I.P. Charlie. You will always be a hero of the truth.
Victoria Holt - AMEN!
Further as to perpetrator's responsibility:
1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
AMEN! Truth!
Yes! When you ASK to be forgiven. Action is required.
Erika, nice sentiment, but what is the reality shared by Jesus and the gospel in the Bible? If your position is correct then, Jesus had two detractors hanging next to him. One repented. Both would've been saved as he "died and rose again" for all people. Yet Scripture states "whom soever will..." John 3:16-17 nkjv For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
We forgive because we are called to do so by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, whether the perpetrators repent or not.
You’re right that Jesus calls us to a forgiving *posture*—but he conditions a restored relationship on repentance. “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him” (Luke 17:3–4).
And in Matthew 18:15–17, he lays out steps of correction where ongoing fellowship *definitely* depends on a repentant response.
So we keep our hearts free of bitterness (vengeance is God's), but full reconciliation happens only when there’s repentance.
I've pointed this out to many who rotely blurt out "Forgive so you will be forgiven." This is not accurately interpreted scripture and places much disastrous neurotic guilt on the masses. Her automatic "forgiveness" is neither appropriate nor natural., especially due her very young age and situation with infants. There is a time to grieve and have righteous anger. This whole story is more and more questionable by the day.
Thank you for your words. Erika is making the witness of how we can be turning point.. Rest in Peace CJK.
Japper - AMEN!
Exactly. Those who choose to forgive do so not only because we as Christians are called to do so, but also because if we don’t, the rot that festers like a sliver, will continue to rot until we forgive. Not forgiving those who have trespassed against us can only serve as resentment that will destroy our peace and keep us from our relationship with God. It’s like pouring gasoline on a fire. Overtime, all that’s left is uglier than one can imagine and before we know it, we are consumed by hatred. It does nothing to affect the one who has caused it. Their life goes on.
Although this young man’s unthinkable crime has affected society and will continue to for many decades, the same feelings are still prevalent, but on a global scale. That’s a whole other level of hatred for him by most of those who love Charlie and are grieving for his loss. Those who are celebrating his death are doing so with the same level of hatred towards Charlie and are the ones holding the gas can in their attempt to destroy his legacy. Forgiveness will stop them from achieving their goal and we’ll continue what Charlie has started and build upon his foundation of his love for Christ and those who have not yet had the opportunity to understand the gospels of the Savior and his love for them.
True Japper
The case of the cold-blooded assassination of Charlie Kirk requires justice to be served and the evildoers be punished. Erika can forgive the killer, but the killer MUST BE PUNISHED to the full extent of the law.
God CANNOT save unrepentant sinners of the world. In fact, the assassins do not need forgiveness because he or they have not asked for it. At least, not yet.
Exactly! Succinctly said 🎯 Thank you.
It bears remembering that forgiveness frees the forgiver but does not absolve the forgiven of responsibility for their acts.
It also does not dispense with the duty of the State to administer justice.
It is better to understand than to be understood. I look at all the serious mental cases in todays world...and blame it on our government. The government promoted the financial interests of the industry's and not the American people. I believe drugs (illegal and legal) affected the minds of many; the vaccines required to go to school or enter service. Plus, all the processed nutrient-poor food... robbed their brains of the ability to analyze and think. In addition, the government permitted curriculum changes in the school system, which de-emphasized the 3 R's; and its rote learning developed a nation of robots who could be easily manipulated.. In order to get back on course, the people must get rid of the causes that brought America to this point.
FOLKS YOU CAN COPY THIS AND SHARE FAR AND WIDE TO MSM/POLITICIANS etc!-------- CO'n'VID INQUIRIES!? ARE PEOPLE BEING BLOCKED FROM GIVING FACTS AND TRUTHS!?
On a personal level I have no proof that people have been blocked from giving statement and maybe asking questions etc!? If that has happened it would be no shock if people then went and reported elderly suspicious deaths to the police. Like wise with deaths from the POISON JABS!? That raises the question how are the police dealing with it?
One has to wonder is people have got together and may have lawyers working in the back ground on cases!? YES/NO?
You never see much in the MSM so have they been BOUGHT/GAGGED or what ever?
As it stands cover up of cover ups seems the way it is heading--YES/NO?
Is it time for people world wide to get together and start publishing facts and truths in alternative media. With all the EPSTIEN/ROYALS/TRUMP etc shenanigans going on it would not be a bad time to stick the boot into the SATANIC EVIL PERFIDIOUS SCROTES that have been riding rough shod over the people for far too long!
The US dollar debased, the lower interest Rates, and continuous over debt burden amounts to one thing only. Countries in decline to neo feudalism. And Middle Class wiped out on purpose. Will I forgive that??? NEVER.
Sad thing is that so many see nothing wrong with way people are treated by ROYALS/WEF/POLITICIANS/BANKERS etc!?
They are ignorant and it unaware of the fatal deceit and blatant deception which is perpetrated upon their trusting nature. And these elitist people are purposely via their conduits in likes of WeF have created a financial war upon us all.
World is a lovely place and we know the dangers in the oceans and jungles BUT the real dangers are the people for all sorts of reasons!
Any one 60 and under interesting times ahead, maybe, interesting in wrong ways!
Not only Americans but the whole Western system. The WEF globalists must be stopped.
With regard to the understandably variable opinions on the subject of forgiveness, I offer this bit, regarding the doctrine of some who demand "unconditional forgiveness" from Christians, regardless of the lack of repentance on the part of the violent murderer.
Here is the passage supporting my view, directly quoted from the KJV Bible, the Gospel According to Luke. (Luke 17:3): .... "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. {17:4} And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him." These words were attributed to Jesus, by Luke. Please note the condition of repentance Jesus spoke of.
Some today contend that forgiveness from Christians is mandatory for every sin, and for every sinner, in obedience to the commandments of Jesus, no matter if the offender fails to repent, or ask for forgiveness. I do not believe this contemporary doctrine is entirely Scriptural, for the reason stated.
I am inclined to believe that an unrepentant murderer should be executed with due diligence. He broke the commandments by committing murder, failing to repent, and showed no mercy. I rely upon the quoted verse in my opinion, and acknowledge that there are many other verses that can be relied upon to support a contrary opinion.
God expects us to forgive, as we have been forgiven. However, unrepentant Christians are fooling themselves if they believe they can continue to offend God, failing to ask for forgiveness, and failing to repent. It is my belief that forgiveness cannot be EXPECTED by the unrepentant, but yet can certainly be offered by the grace of the offended party. There is no duty for the Christian to forgive the unrepentant murderer, in my opinion. I may be wrong, if so, I apologize, and ask forgiveness. Please pray for me also.
Erika Kirk has indeed shown great grace by offering forgiveness to the murderer of her husband Charlie.
IF I WAS THE JUDGE in this case, with the responsibility for sentencing the assassin of Charlie Kirk, his ultimate fate would hinge upon HIS remorse or lack thereof for his evil deeds.
There were two sinners with Jesus when He was crucified... only one of them went to paradise on that day. The other was unrepentant.
Well said, David.
Thank you Kathleen... your comment is edifying. God has blessed you with understanding.
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I agree with you. That has always been a stumbling block for me. As I understand it, forgiveness is conditional on a true act of repentance. As a Catholic I was taught that we must confess our sins and sincerely say an act of contrition to receive God's forgiveness. What Erika did was extraordinary! She forgave without Robertson repenting and that is truly almost impossible for most of us to do especially after such a heinous crime.
For me as a Buddhist, Martin Luther King, Jr. described the dynamics of hatred best.
" “Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
Love does not exonerate and dismiss culpability. Just punishment must be exercised, but carrying hatred so deeply in the spiritual being creates King's allusion as hatred a force multiplier for destruction.
It seems to me that this is an important thought. MLK was right, hatred never brings light, and that is more important than “forgiveness.” We can each forgive as we choose, but working for a better world and against the evil influences will not be helped by hating the perpetrators.
Ummm, I'm not so convinced it was "that young man"...but whoever it was, she would forgive them too
I have spoken to many dedicated shooters and ballistic experts. There is no way Charlie was shot at 150 yards with a 30-06. Mt personal experience of over 50 years with this calibre tells me this is not possible. It sounds and looks more like a .223 or similar small round than a 30-06. I smell a rat.
Agree Autumn, the truth of who else was involved in Charlie’s murder will be kept secret!
Their day of judgement will come .
Unless the assassin/s has/ve come to Mrs Kirk to confess and ask for forgiveness I think she's doing it all wrong. I prefer this interpretation...
"The bible does not tell us to forgive everybody that does us wrong. The bible tells us to forgive those who come to us and confess their wrongdoing, and ask for forgiveness. That is two totally different things. As Christians we are supposed to forgive others. How? According to scripture, as Christ forgives us. How does Christ forgive us? Scripture is extremely clear. Christ does not forgive us until we come to him and confess our sins, and ask him to forgive us."
https://x.com/Biznitch1177/status/1953421440750940513
I suspect poor Mrs Kirk was grandstanding a false virtue.
Just saying, I have found her incredibly difficult to watch, because so much in her performance/presentation is staged. It comes across inauthentically.
I do not know how anybody can forgive their loved one’s murder. I cannot. The bravery of Erika coming forward and speaking just days after Charlie’s murder is amazing. I cannot forgive the medical political cartel (MPC) for murdering my husband with mRNA Pfizer jabs, never, but when some responsible for the major lies and deceptions eventually either dies and faces the wrath of hell or enters prison for life I’ll smile, just a bit. Forgiveness for murder isn’t in me! Especially intentional murder! Robinson knew and so did the MPC. I’m watching the destruction of civilization in front of my eyes in many ways and many don’t or can’t see it. History always repeats itself! The newest holocaust in disguise.
As soon as I saw the alleged murderer I forgave/dismissed him as an ideological, misguided, very young adult - Charlie's death was the product of a societal dysfunction. It wasn't hard, but then Charlie wasn't my husband.
Like you, I will neither forget nor forgive our state Premier for his pharmaceutical murder of my mother with the DNA AZ jabs. But I would probably immediately fold if he acknowledged and asked for forgiveness.
You are correct. The violent acts to which we have become accustomed are a symptom of a dysfunctional, terminally ill society. Our society is reaping the consequences of the evil that we have allowed to exist, grow, and metastasize in our society. When evil Ideologies, and behaviors contrary to our innate nature, such as transgenderism, and insertion of chemicals that disrupt nature's balance are normalized in society, a violent reaction is to be expected. F**ked up society produces f**ked up people.
I’m sorry for your loss! 😢I cannot forgive intentional murder and it will haunt me forever. Not only did they murder our loved ones, the took part of our soul too! And so far there’s no prosecutions, no acknowledgment, no apology, not even an explanation! That’s because the explanation is depopulation! You can’t apologize for that!!!!!
Thanks, and I should return the same feelings for your loss.
There's a difference between a misled human individual being the vehicle for a murder, than a corporate institutionalised criminal cabal leading the murder.
I have trouble with the cold-blooded killing of the Death Penalty - I'd sooner see the media/democrats/soros hang for the death of Charlie than the young sucker (however possessed by evil) - and would have no issue with the whole pharma/big money/globalist machine being blown to smithereens over the vaccines.
Save the human, kill the machines.
Me too. So far silence! 🤐
It's coming, maybe with some pain.
I just saw this headline on twitter "Displaying the British flag in the UK could lead to 'debanking,' warns top political strategist".
If true, it points a blatant arrow at big money running the show.
The debanking of the very powerful Canadian truckers should've been the first sign. The money war is coming.
Also, in the last two days Katie Hopkins has run two conversations (Roseanne Barr and Lara Logan) where she's referred to an article she wrote on human trafficking being the cause for power to all but completely destroy her. She said it in a quiet voice as though it was still not quite discuss-able.
It would be better if she said she was ready to forgive, should the assassin come to her to ask for it.
I think that what she's modelling is harmful and emotionally damaging.
Forgiveness is a personal choice. Guessing she did it in a way that felt right for her.
Agreed Julie. I just couldn’t do it so easily. My husband was murdered 2.5 years ago and no one had paid. So no one has asked for forgiveness! Not sure I could oblige!
Yes, of course you're right, but at a time of virtue signaling this type of forgiveness - a type that was damaging and discordant for me - I felt called to put out an alternate approach.
Equanimity, perhaps, unless the pain caused is so great as to be insurmountable. Forgiveness? Only if the perpetrator follows the threefold path to forgiveness: 1) Recognize they have done wrong; 2) Sincerely apologize to those harmed; 3) Devote themselves and their resources to making things as right as is humanly possible.
“I suppose it depends on whether the perpetrators are able to recognize their monstrousness and demonstrate a genuine desire to repent and ask for forgiveness.” I believe that forgiveness requires confession and repentance by the perpetrator. Forgive someone who does not seek forgiveness? No.
Is Satan worthy of forgiveness? I think not and neither are his minions.
The "ideal" of love your enemy is one of the most destructive of concepts to the ideal of justice ever conceived. It is yet another subordination of Reason to faith, wherein the "mercy" of forgiveness "trumps" the morality of justice.
It is very much like the moral ideal of altruism. An individual, whether Christian or not, may choose to be "altruistic" with what is theirs to utilize. Collectively compelling others by force to do so violates the very concept of morality itself!
Just as compulsory altruism destroys whatever society attempts its enforcement, so too will justice subordinated to collective forgiveness and mercy destroy it as well.
While it is certainly Erica's choice to "forgive" the murderer for his act, the proper moral response must always remain guided by justice - NOT its absence. Failure to follow such reasoning amounts to claiming as "virtuous" the forgiving of Hitler (and endless others)!
Forgiveness doesn’t not require reconciliation. It doesn’t require someone to ask for forgiveness.
The current haters don't realize that this assignation of CK was in the spectrum of the Kennedy murders of the 1960s. Not compatible with JFK, but certainly close to the assignation of his brother RFK. Half the country views it this way; it has been that powerful and disheartening. The country we love is torn in half by radical ideology promoted by the media complex, including the entertainment industry. I don't see this ending; half of the country is determined to force their ideologies on the other half, even if it means murder.
Amen! The memorial service was an amazing testimony. We are blessed with Charlie's example and how one man can strengthen God's and our earthly mission.
"...depends on whether the perpetrators are able to recognize their monstrousness and demonstrate a genuine desire to repent and ask for forgiveness.."
Did the French leave Spain voluntarily, or after a plaintive request couched in forgiveness, or after being fought back?
The raging libs today are unworthy citizens, for they reject the morality necessary for a thriving self-governance. Forgiveness is wasted upon such people, for they are savage and incapable of enlightened introspection, making them incapable of receiving and accepting it. Donate a dollar to a rock, and see if it is moved by your generosity; thus is forgiveness upon these people.
Forgiveness in the face of an onslaught is a horrid and disrespectful rejection of the gift of life--it is to be lived--and those who act to take it away are justly stopped before their success occurs. Anyone who chooses or preaches otherwise betrays the value of the gift of life, making the ultimate insult to the Giver of life.
As to hate, one does not necessarily hate the pests that wreck crops. One understands that nature is a constant, minor battle to live--much less thrive--and certain behaviors and tactics are fundamental to eking out an existence while under seige by nature's pests. So, one does not have to hate the coyote in order to protect his sheep. No, he merely protects his sheep and does so without emotion. But, he probably does not consciously forgive the lucky coyote that takes his prize sheep.