Politicians should be selected randomly (lottery)among the adult population with some sélection criteria to avoid manifest casting errors if we want a genuine democracy. Politics should not be a profession per se but a public service with mandates Renewed only once. This is a system Étienne Chouard has been working on in France for many years. It is the only system that prevents a concentration of people looking for power and self enrichment rather than for the common good.
Israeli commanders correctly view the people of Gaza as Nazis, who want to genocide the Jewish people. They are not innocent: they chose Hamas, loved, and supported it for twenty years.
The Nuremberg trials could not have tried every Nazi guilty of sickening crines in Germany. There were too many of them. They were symbolic of the revulsion that Civilization felt for Nazism. So, too, it would be impossible to judge and punish every Gazan (and Palestinian) guilty of crimes. But they must be relocated, just as ethnic Germans were relocated from their killing fields in eastern Eutope.
Our government at the time of the Nuremberg Trials brought 1800 German scientists to the U.S., many who had been Nazis. I wondered, if they were responsible for the vaccines that started to be promoted with Well Baby visits in the 1950s. The Nazis were not happy to have suffered defeat...and I wonder, if they wanted to get even; and destroy America.
You argue, "In each case, politicians and military officers thought, “This time it’s different, because we really are civilized, and our dreadful opponents really are animals.”" I don't think so.
First, we have to acknowledge those calculations "in each case" never occurred as what we came to call the crimes at Nuremberg did not exist then. Samantha Powers describes the problem in her great work, The Problem from Hell.
The problem presented on Oct 7 is it was no different from old pogroms or the Shoah, and, instead, it was a repetition of Jew hatred by forces who have even less regard for human rights than your Roman generals or US Cavalry officers did.
So I ask again, how do you propose to eliminate the Jew hatred that has infected those who live in Gaza and perpetrated the Oct 7 massacre? Hatred Hamas is now turning on its own before they will again turn it on the Jews as surely as night follows day.
Thank you. It is not nearly so simple, and if it was me, I'd choose a much higher number in the effort to atone for the massacre of my people, which they are not BTW. Say 500 or 1000 to one for example. Judging from our bench Israel's response to Oct 7 in the context of 2,000 years of Jew hate is a fool's errand.
I respect and admire your scholarship, which is why I subscribe, and why I will renew again my question, which remains unanswered: how do you propose to eliminate the Jew hatred that has infected those who live in Gaza (including thousands of children who are taught to hate in UN sponsored schools) and perpetrated the Oct 7 massacre?
Greetings Mike, I have no proposal for eliminating hatred from the heart of any man, especially when I have no idea of what he is going through. I work very hard to keep it from entering my own heart and I strive to be fair and impartial in my investigation of all human affairs. Reprisal killings were found by the Nuremberg trial of US v. List et al. to be a war crime. I doubt that it would be prudent for people, least of all the Jewish people, to overturn this legal finding. Best regards, John
A historical example — the Roman suppression of the Jewish revolt was no different than the destruction the Romans visited on the Carthaginians, the Gauls, the Druids or any others. Nor did the Germanic invaders of the Western Empire or the Huns behave any differently when they destroyed the Western Empire.
Maybe, though I doubt that many rabbinic scholars would agree with your assessment. I think they tend to regard it as an especially painful event because it drove them away from their Holy Land. And to be sure, I wouldn't defend the way the Romans treated any of their conquered subjects in many of their campaigns.
The so-called ' Nuremberg Trials' were nothing more than THEATRE; aka Show Trials!
If AmeriKans knew Real History, instead of the BULLSHIT that they were INDOCTRINATED with, in government SKOOLS (spelled on purpose), then they would know this to be a FACT.
Largely true. The defenders of the Nuremberg Trials saw what was happening to the credibility of their trials, the accountability that evaporated once the cameras and ink devoted to them disappeared. They said they had to stop beyond the theater because the "new threat" of an expansionist Soviet Union needed to be stopped. And that the US needed Germans as allies, aggressive prosecution and punishment would alienate the Germans, drive them into the Soviet sphere of influence. Rightly or wrongly that was acknowledged as the rationale, and the theater was useful to deter, even if the punishments themselves weren't. This movie from 1961 even admitted that reality, which you correctly point out. Providing their justification for the theater towards the end of the movie, as the verdict was being debated and reached.
Judgement at Nuremberg (1961)
Spencer Tracey, Burt Lancaster, Judy Garland, William Shatner, Werner Klemperer
The Gazan’s who are raised to hate and destroy Jews, danced in the streets after October 7th. While they are not animals per se they are evil. Evil is Live spelled backwards - while they are suffering they brought it on themselves. Only a fool who doesn’t understand that all of us are one can brutally murder his brother and expert no consequence. There is a time for war and a time for peace. Hamas/Palestinians instigated a time for war. Israel waged the war while feeding its enemy. Only the blind or evil ones can not understand.
I worked at a hospital in Australia where nice young Muslim staff were observed dancing for joy when 911 occurred. These were charming men who would wish me 'Merry Christmas'. Their behavior as far as I know was always impeccable. But after this and some other incidents I was never to sure what might happen if they were in power. Incidentally, we all know that everywhere, even here in Australia, there are mosques and Islamic schools teaching hatred of Jews. I do not imagine there are any synagogues in which young Jewish boys and girls are taught to hate anyone.
Wow, John. Since I posted the link to the Subsequent Nuremberg Trials under your Vaccines and War Cartels piece yesterday you've penned two pieces about them.
Glad you picked it up and ran with it. You know the Judges and Doctors subsequent trials are probably the trials with the most relevance and lessons to be learned for this platform and audience you have, imho. I suspect if you took those and applied them to present day you'd find a whole lot to work with that aren't harbingers for us, the world being on a good, healthy trajectory. Just sayin'.
We have abandoned any pretext of Nuremberg style justice which was not justice at all, with a few exceptions...the worst psychopathological nazis were imported to the U.S. and other places to develop biological weapons and other weapons of mass destruction..make no mistake...this Is 'the devil's' playground...good and evil are ever facing off and because of the low frequency nature of this place, the evil has the upper hand...for now...we are now forced to choose...no more agnostical philosophy. Either we put it all on the line for Goodness...truth, justice, liberty, accountability, morals and ethics...or we go down the slope to tyranny, torture, genocide/omnicide and darkness! This is the hill we choose to die on! Blessings to all patriots and 'matriots'!😎
I find your narrative about war explained in terms of aggressive and ambitious individuals and governments off the mark. What is missing is financing of disasters, population wide fear and trauma consequent to the disaster, and vulnerability of the people to installing to positions of power the ambitious men who will produce the results sought by the financiers. Remember: no one elected Hitler. He was effectively installed by the same inter-generational Anglo-American financiers headquartered in City of London who staged the crash of 1929, who financed the Bolsheviks, who assassinated four protectionist … as opposed to globalist … American Presidents over the years just prior.
The 1934 attempted fascist takeover of the US failed thanks to Smedley Butler and FDR. In Germany, however, funds poured into the Nazi party effectively boosted Hitler to power. The City of London got the fascist state of their dreams … THEIR preferred model of global governance to this day. What could go wrong?
And they just tried it again here. It failed again but for 2M American dead.
If you are familiar with the Podesta plan please comment; if not, please look into it. See Tucker with Alex Jones on TCN.
I’m not certain Trump actually took those shots. The WH issued that statement, not Trump (that I know of). It seems like some sort of incremental move.
Sending Tomahawks to Ukraine must be some subtle move disguised as insanity. Trump is like that. Another incremental move toward an unstated outcome. I can’t fathom what this is. Russia has no intention of taking over Europe. But do the “woke” EU regimes and Britain really want war? Do they secretly long to be occupied by Russia? I’m weirded out. Have a good evening!
Politicians should be selected randomly (lottery)among the adult population with some sélection criteria to avoid manifest casting errors if we want a genuine democracy. Politics should not be a profession per se but a public service with mandates Renewed only once. This is a system Étienne Chouard has been working on in France for many years. It is the only system that prevents a concentration of people looking for power and self enrichment rather than for the common good.
Now there's a good idea. We'd get some real loons. Still better than what we're getting now, by a lot.
Anyone that holds my brother’s and sister’s hostage are worthy to be called animals. When they repent they can be forgiven.
Bullshit
We are all being held hostage...say no to Fear-anny!😎
Some of the rules from Nuremberg were abandoned 5 years ago. And it looks as though they will never be reintroduced.
So we should all look forward to being lab animals for government approved testing. 🙄
I'll deprive them of my sample if I have to!🤓
Israeli commanders correctly view the people of Gaza as Nazis, who want to genocide the Jewish people. They are not innocent: they chose Hamas, loved, and supported it for twenty years.
The Nuremberg trials could not have tried every Nazi guilty of sickening crines in Germany. There were too many of them. They were symbolic of the revulsion that Civilization felt for Nazism. So, too, it would be impossible to judge and punish every Gazan (and Palestinian) guilty of crimes. But they must be relocated, just as ethnic Germans were relocated from their killing fields in eastern Eutope.
Our government at the time of the Nuremberg Trials brought 1800 German scientists to the U.S., many who had been Nazis. I wondered, if they were responsible for the vaccines that started to be promoted with Well Baby visits in the 1950s. The Nazis were not happy to have suffered defeat...and I wonder, if they wanted to get even; and destroy America.
I was just fired by my dentist for declining x-rays🙄
You argue, "In each case, politicians and military officers thought, “This time it’s different, because we really are civilized, and our dreadful opponents really are animals.”" I don't think so.
First, we have to acknowledge those calculations "in each case" never occurred as what we came to call the crimes at Nuremberg did not exist then. Samantha Powers describes the problem in her great work, The Problem from Hell.
The problem presented on Oct 7 is it was no different from old pogroms or the Shoah, and, instead, it was a repetition of Jew hatred by forces who have even less regard for human rights than your Roman generals or US Cavalry officers did.
So I ask again, how do you propose to eliminate the Jew hatred that has infected those who live in Gaza and perpetrated the Oct 7 massacre? Hatred Hamas is now turning on its own before they will again turn it on the Jews as surely as night follows day.
Just to be clear: Does this mean that you agree with Haliva's endorsement of 50 to 1 reprisal killings, including children? Regards, John
Thank you. It is not nearly so simple, and if it was me, I'd choose a much higher number in the effort to atone for the massacre of my people, which they are not BTW. Say 500 or 1000 to one for example. Judging from our bench Israel's response to Oct 7 in the context of 2,000 years of Jew hate is a fool's errand.
I respect and admire your scholarship, which is why I subscribe, and why I will renew again my question, which remains unanswered: how do you propose to eliminate the Jew hatred that has infected those who live in Gaza (including thousands of children who are taught to hate in UN sponsored schools) and perpetrated the Oct 7 massacre?
Cheers, Mike
Greetings Mike, I have no proposal for eliminating hatred from the heart of any man, especially when I have no idea of what he is going through. I work very hard to keep it from entering my own heart and I strive to be fair and impartial in my investigation of all human affairs. Reprisal killings were found by the Nuremberg trial of US v. List et al. to be a war crime. I doubt that it would be prudent for people, least of all the Jewish people, to overturn this legal finding. Best regards, John
A historical example — the Roman suppression of the Jewish revolt was no different than the destruction the Romans visited on the Carthaginians, the Gauls, the Druids or any others. Nor did the Germanic invaders of the Western Empire or the Huns behave any differently when they destroyed the Western Empire.
Maybe, though I doubt that many rabbinic scholars would agree with your assessment. I think they tend to regard it as an especially painful event because it drove them away from their Holy Land. And to be sure, I wouldn't defend the way the Romans treated any of their conquered subjects in many of their campaigns.
REAL History.......
The so-called ' Nuremberg Trials' were nothing more than THEATRE; aka Show Trials!
If AmeriKans knew Real History, instead of the BULLSHIT that they were INDOCTRINATED with, in government SKOOLS (spelled on purpose), then they would know this to be a FACT.
Largely true. The defenders of the Nuremberg Trials saw what was happening to the credibility of their trials, the accountability that evaporated once the cameras and ink devoted to them disappeared. They said they had to stop beyond the theater because the "new threat" of an expansionist Soviet Union needed to be stopped. And that the US needed Germans as allies, aggressive prosecution and punishment would alienate the Germans, drive them into the Soviet sphere of influence. Rightly or wrongly that was acknowledged as the rationale, and the theater was useful to deter, even if the punishments themselves weren't. This movie from 1961 even admitted that reality, which you correctly point out. Providing their justification for the theater towards the end of the movie, as the verdict was being debated and reached.
Judgement at Nuremberg (1961)
Spencer Tracey, Burt Lancaster, Judy Garland, William Shatner, Werner Klemperer
https://archive.org/details/movie-judgment-at-nuremberg-1961
Based on the Judges Trial in the Subsequent Trials at Nuremberg.
The Gazan’s who are raised to hate and destroy Jews, danced in the streets after October 7th. While they are not animals per se they are evil. Evil is Live spelled backwards - while they are suffering they brought it on themselves. Only a fool who doesn’t understand that all of us are one can brutally murder his brother and expert no consequence. There is a time for war and a time for peace. Hamas/Palestinians instigated a time for war. Israel waged the war while feeding its enemy. Only the blind or evil ones can not understand.
I worked at a hospital in Australia where nice young Muslim staff were observed dancing for joy when 911 occurred. These were charming men who would wish me 'Merry Christmas'. Their behavior as far as I know was always impeccable. But after this and some other incidents I was never to sure what might happen if they were in power. Incidentally, we all know that everywhere, even here in Australia, there are mosques and Islamic schools teaching hatred of Jews. I do not imagine there are any synagogues in which young Jewish boys and girls are taught to hate anyone.
Wow, John. Since I posted the link to the Subsequent Nuremberg Trials under your Vaccines and War Cartels piece yesterday you've penned two pieces about them.
https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/why-are-vaccine-and-war-cartels-so/comments
Glad you picked it up and ran with it. You know the Judges and Doctors subsequent trials are probably the trials with the most relevance and lessons to be learned for this platform and audience you have, imho. I suspect if you took those and applied them to present day you'd find a whole lot to work with that aren't harbingers for us, the world being on a good, healthy trajectory. Just sayin'.
1 Samuel 8 says it all.
Hope we get Nuremberg 2.0 and sentence ALL to death who pushed the jab…that cleans up the pigs 🤬
We have abandoned any pretext of Nuremberg style justice which was not justice at all, with a few exceptions...the worst psychopathological nazis were imported to the U.S. and other places to develop biological weapons and other weapons of mass destruction..make no mistake...this Is 'the devil's' playground...good and evil are ever facing off and because of the low frequency nature of this place, the evil has the upper hand...for now...we are now forced to choose...no more agnostical philosophy. Either we put it all on the line for Goodness...truth, justice, liberty, accountability, morals and ethics...or we go down the slope to tyranny, torture, genocide/omnicide and darkness! This is the hill we choose to die on! Blessings to all patriots and 'matriots'!😎
Nuremberg 2.0 recognized by AI + Russell Crowe Movie "Nuremberg" https://nurembergtrials.net/nuremberg-2-0/f/nuremberg-20-recognized-by-ai-russell-crowe-movie-nuremberg Who invented the idea of a "Nuremberg 2.0" a new International Public Grand Jury vs Covid Measures & Crimes Against Humanity - Recap. https://nuremberg2.substack.com/p/who-invented-the-idea-of-a-nuremberg
Hang em high
I find your narrative about war explained in terms of aggressive and ambitious individuals and governments off the mark. What is missing is financing of disasters, population wide fear and trauma consequent to the disaster, and vulnerability of the people to installing to positions of power the ambitious men who will produce the results sought by the financiers. Remember: no one elected Hitler. He was effectively installed by the same inter-generational Anglo-American financiers headquartered in City of London who staged the crash of 1929, who financed the Bolsheviks, who assassinated four protectionist … as opposed to globalist … American Presidents over the years just prior.
The 1934 attempted fascist takeover of the US failed thanks to Smedley Butler and FDR. In Germany, however, funds poured into the Nazi party effectively boosted Hitler to power. The City of London got the fascist state of their dreams … THEIR preferred model of global governance to this day. What could go wrong?
And they just tried it again here. It failed again but for 2M American dead.
If you are familiar with the Podesta plan please comment; if not, please look into it. See Tucker with Alex Jones on TCN.
I’m not certain Trump actually took those shots. The WH issued that statement, not Trump (that I know of). It seems like some sort of incremental move.
Sending Tomahawks to Ukraine must be some subtle move disguised as insanity. Trump is like that. Another incremental move toward an unstated outcome. I can’t fathom what this is. Russia has no intention of taking over Europe. But do the “woke” EU regimes and Britain really want war? Do they secretly long to be occupied by Russia? I’m weirded out. Have a good evening!