Thank you for looking into this. This entire timeline is bizarre, all of the actors around Charlie have not acted normally at all. Now we have Steve Deace calling Candace Owens "demonically possessed" for asking questions when Steve, who was friends with Charlie, is accepting the fabricated narrative with no questions. Nothing and nobody is making sense. Would love it if you continued to investigate this.
Hey Deb - just wanted to comment here because I think a lot of people share your sentiment that “nothing and nobody is making sense” and I wanted to address that
I would argue that that is the exact purpose of such a scenario: one where there’s so many questions and no answers.
The point of these events are exactly to cause confusion within the public and more time is spent trying to answer questions vs potentially solving what really happened.
With that, when we look at things from this angle— as “what if this is supposed to be confusing?” — then we actually begin to see things that DO make sense.
Wanted to share a couple articles here and hope they help with this perspective to anyone interested:
It's really odd that Deace would come after Candace so hard, considering it's just like the venom hurled at the unvaccinated during Covid. People were ridiculed for doing their own research and not "trusting the science." Deace was at the forefront of the Covid debacle and thanks to him, questioning the shots' legitimacy gradually took root. So why is it that Deace is suddenly anti-questions? Is that a "biblical world-view?" Todd Erzen called Owens a toilet. It's just mind boggling to see the disconnect.
Thanks for validating that! I was shocked the last couple of days, Deace will not let it go and is making fun of Candace in every show now. Erzen is loving the put down of Candace Owens and I'm like: what is actually happening??? Deace is willing to support a fabricated time line on the assassination of Charlie Kirk so that more people come to Christ? What?
Steve Deace will always have my thanks for exposing the Covid corruption, but many times I've felt there's an element to freedom that he doesn't really quite get- for example he advocatd for the mandating of masks "if it was a matter of life or death" (or something to that effect).
Freedom is not conditional, to be allowed or not allowed by the gov't. Asking questions is also a GOOD thing. Every so often we see our heroes exposed for the conflicted human beings they are - happens all the time- and it's sad, but definitely eye-opening. I haven't been able to listen to Deace since the Todd Erzen comment. I guess that good Catholic forgot about "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."
Sorry, you can look at this a million different ways, but there’s no way to explain ‘Mikey’s’ behavior as ‘normal’ or ‘’expected’. Mikey was “in” on this assassination. Everyone trying to explain this as anything else is just digging a bigger hole for themselves. Time to stop digging-we know what happened.
In Candace Owens' podcast yesterday, 10/28, she played a selfie video that McCoy recorded at some point just after the shooting. He breathes heavily, then says, twice, words to the effect "Charlies's dead." How he could have known that, assuming he hadn't returned to the tent, is a mystery.
On the establishment hatred of Candace, she said yesterday that after the assassination she assumed she would be working with the TP/USA people to figure out what really happened. As it turns out, TP/USA seems happy to accept Kash Patel's Tyler Robinson story, look ahead, keep fundraising, and damn anyone who gets in the way of the lucrative operation Kirk built. Is Bibi's $150 million back on the table?
It is also clearer than ever from texts and photos that Owens and Kirk were very close. Kirk shared texts with Owens as early as 2018 saying he expected to die young. A year ago, he said his work with TP/USA would be the end of him. And of course in the months before his death, he told associates he feared Israel might kill him for deserting them. That was reported prior to Kirk's death by Harrison Smith on an Infowars broadcast.
I don’t think the selfie guy was Mikey…as he is seen walking away from the scene. Rather I believe the selfie guy (who looked older than Mikey) is someone different/the TP guy who ultimately took the camera down from the tent. But yes, he exclaims ‘Charlie’s dead’ …but yet how would he know that for certain at that point…? He wouldn’t have known, none of us knew…he only would know if he was somehow “in the know”. Snakes…all around poor Charlie… 😢
Well isn't that expected and conveeenient. Old antisemite CandAss teams up in support with K with the story of him outing that big bad Israel. So obvious to some of us what the demonic agenda is and is working out as planned. Sucking in all the ignorant dupes and enemies of God.
hope he does not end up like Gary Webb. The man who put CIA and the Crack epidemic to light. Died by suicide with 2 bullets to the back of the head. Neat trick. Were so fucked. Trump may just be the worlds greatest actor. Funny how none of these wars have stopped.
Thank you for reporting here. That is VERY odd. And I don't know why that guy is so smiley all the time. If that's just his face then he needs to LEARN to tone down that happy smile for sad situations like this!!!! Also, if he is such a brilliant Chief of Staff, then why didn't he assure there was an ambulance standing ready for a group of 3,000 and a "threatened" boss. Does not make sense? AND, why did they put him in an SUV. Didn't stop to think? What if they crashed on the way, their victim would surely die. Also where was the police escort? They could have at least gotten that from one of the officers there don't you think? Soooo many things wrong. You know what, how about TPUSA feelings of regret like they let down their boss!!! Isn't that how we would all feel, like we COULD HAVE DONE MORE!!!! Either to protect him, or save him in some way. Even if we couldn't it is a normal feeling!!!! I see NONE of that with any of them!!
Absolutely agree on the ambulance. Very strange there wasn't one waiting there for that group of people. Anyone could've collapsed. For any large group a waiting ambulance is mandatory.
It is great that independent media is on top of this case. It is clear that the failure of the authorities to produce the ballistics report shows they have no confidence in the 30.-06 being the murder weapon. I am surprised the people like Megyn Kelly are willing to go along with the obviously non-credible story line.
Maybe someone got to Megyn… I kind of enjoyed some of her content but she lost me as a subscriber with her endorsement of the trans phobic shooter narrative without having looked further into the case. Who makes that statement and backs it up with stating she ‘hasn’t watched Candace’? You have limited knowledge about a situation and are still going to state your opinion…? That’s not too intelligent…
You are right, Paula. Anyone who has been following Candace's coverage of this case since September 10 knows that she documents her claims. I have become a fan of Candace over the past year.
There is the "ask no questions" crowd, headed by Steve Deace and the "ask questions" crowd, headed by Candace Owens. Steve has turned on his own listeners with vitriol that we dare question the contrived and absurd narrative being handed to us. Instead, he wants to grift on Charlies assassination that it will bring about a Christian resurgence, making Charlie a Martyr and silencing those of us who just want to understand who killed Charlie and why.
The investigation should include cell phone records from McCoy’s phone, a routine exercise for the FBI. That would pinpoint the source of a call, if there was one. I also believe conversations can be retrieved within a certain time period, although I am u certain about that.
Hope Tyler Robinson’s attorney can get her hands on the phone records to be used to create reasonable doubt…. ( unfortunately not likely she will even care to as she has been hand selected by the prosecution)
Reminder: There is another man’s life at stake now.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think about another planned execution of a major public figure. Powerful, shadowy people doing truly evil things in the world.
HOW does every Media and government official Charlie Kirk supporter lineup in lockstep and LIE to the American People about WHO and HOW Charlie was assassinated!
That kid never could have shot Kirk with a massive 30:06 bullet. Kirk’s head would have been blown off.
Yet there are numerous cellphone real time videos showing coordination between people behind Kirk and within 20 feet of Kirk.
Footage shows the microphone on his T-shirt is what appeared to have detonated.
But there was no autopsy report. And No interest in investing the real evidence
The area where Charlie had his tent, was not even a crime scene, and was seen on TV being bulldozed the next morning to make way for a memorial spot or similar.
The FBI and most every “Kirk” official media & government supporters seem at peace with their conscience, blaming a kid for an act he couldn’t pull off, as he never brought the rifle to the roof. Though did hide it in the bushes before heading up to the roof. And no videos shows him on the roof like the shooter in Butler PA.
So the takeaway we should all accept the “Official Lie” for the greater good of the U.S.A.
Just like COVID, 9/11, Man on the Moon, JFK and so many more we don’t even know about.
One Day We will turn on the TV and be told that Our Constitution is FAKE and was signed BY AUTOPEN.
i share you skepticism but there is no evidence to support the Microphone theory. Audio recordings of that day show there was crack thump which is indicative of a gun shot as it breaks the sound barrier. An explosion would just be picked up as a bang with echoes.
I agree that many Official Lies were told about COVID, JFK assassination (not to mention RFK and MLK Jr.) and 9/11.
What do you mean by "Man on the Moon"? Is that the assertion that the U.S. didn't actually land a man on the moon? If you think the U.S. didn't land men on the moon, you need to study up on the "space race" between the U.S. and Russia and the entire U.S. space program from Project Mercury through the Apollo Program. It's one thing to lie about one event but faking an entire space program and several moon landings...no. I lived through that whole era. Even the Official Liars couldn't pull off a lie that long and complex.
The whole thing is crazy. If Charlie was having second thoughts about Israel and its position on Gaza, and some of TPA's donor class was considering to defund TPA, people's livelihoods are AT STAKE. Hard stop. Makes people do insane things and getting Charlie out of the picture so the christian zionist culture can continue its influence doesn't seem so far fetched.
If there were co-conspirators that had a series of actions pre-planned, each one of which were designed to kill the target, then as soon as one of the actions in the series accomplished the objective, then would it not be better to suspend the series of remaining actions, which would be done when the success of the action(s) was communicated to the other co-conspirators?
Pastor McCoy's statements, especially about Mike being covered in blood, seem like the behavior of someone used to being able to say anything, no matter how egregious the lying, and not be challenged. Watching him speak, pastor McCoy oozes slime. One of those people you know instantly cannot be believed about anything. Thanks for weighing in on this John.
This behavior does seem very strange. What could be known is the number or numbers he called and what time the calls were made and how long they lasted. (Someone affiliated with T.P. said he called the Vice President and Erika). One option would be to directly release the call logs to the public.
However, should T.P. not wish to do so, that is their right. What isn't their right is to cast aspersions on people for not believing the official story. That story doesn't make sense. It's not acceptable to give a jail term and/or the death penalty to another person without a real investigation.
Destruction of a crime scene precludes a fair trial yet the govt is proceeding with this trial after doing just that, helped by TP.
Erika "forgiving" someone who has not been brought to trial, who did not even have a defense attorney at the time of that "forgiveness", let alone a conviction is not acceptable. She is declaring Tyler Robinson guilty by her "forgiveness". Apparently, she will be "forgiving" him again before he has had a trial and been found guilty. This is ethically reprehensible and I hope she takes this part out of her Nov. 5th interview on FOX.
Apparently Kash has told Tulsi she may not investigate intelligence agency involvement in this shooting. Why not? Does he have a right to quash her investigation? Is this good cop/bad cop? I don't know. I only know that like many other people this story does not fit the evidence provided by the govt. I will not go along with my govt. lying to me and railroading a conviction. That same applies to TP, an organization which has a history of cover ups of illegal activity. Here is a video examining their past behavior in this regard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdk3Mp3xHkM
Excellent post. I thought the same about Erika's foregiving the accused as if he were guilty beyond doubt. I hadn't heard that about Kash telling Tulsi to stand down. I don't see where he would have such authority, although it puts her in a bad spot to directly defy him. I sure hope she does. Kash just told us to stop asking questions, and essentially that we are terrible people for questioning the official story. What a disappointment.
CB, There are many answers given to your question by both secular and religious people. For me personally, forgiveness is a choice. I certainly hope that a person who has done something wrong would show remorse, clearly admit to what they had done and ask (not demand, ask for) forgiveness. But in my experience, that doesn't happen very often. My experience could be very different from yours.
For me it is extremely disturbing that Erika would "forgive Tyler Robinson before his trial was complete and actual guilt established in a fair trial. Forgiving him for something he may not have even done helps to deny him a fair trial. A true Christian or an ethical person would not do such a thing. Tyler is facing the death penalty. Using her fire power as the wife of Kirk to "forgive" him into a conviction in the court of public opinion is simply wrong.
Thank you for looking into this. This entire timeline is bizarre, all of the actors around Charlie have not acted normally at all. Now we have Steve Deace calling Candace Owens "demonically possessed" for asking questions when Steve, who was friends with Charlie, is accepting the fabricated narrative with no questions. Nothing and nobody is making sense. Would love it if you continued to investigate this.
Hey Deb - just wanted to comment here because I think a lot of people share your sentiment that “nothing and nobody is making sense” and I wanted to address that
I would argue that that is the exact purpose of such a scenario: one where there’s so many questions and no answers.
The point of these events are exactly to cause confusion within the public and more time is spent trying to answer questions vs potentially solving what really happened.
With that, when we look at things from this angle— as “what if this is supposed to be confusing?” — then we actually begin to see things that DO make sense.
Wanted to share a couple articles here and hope they help with this perspective to anyone interested:
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/kirked-out-parasocial-relationships
https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-questioning-one-event-opens-the
There is a government/FBI cover-up protecting some entity. that's a big favor.
It looks like Charlie's security team and manager were complicit.
What entities might fit in the intersection of that Venn diagram?
Not many, right? State-level actors, maybe?
Whose interests were served?
Charlie was becoming a political liability in recent history to Israel. Warning to all politicians to stay on script or else.
https://www.unz.com/article/the-public-execution-of-charlie-kirk/
It's really odd that Deace would come after Candace so hard, considering it's just like the venom hurled at the unvaccinated during Covid. People were ridiculed for doing their own research and not "trusting the science." Deace was at the forefront of the Covid debacle and thanks to him, questioning the shots' legitimacy gradually took root. So why is it that Deace is suddenly anti-questions? Is that a "biblical world-view?" Todd Erzen called Owens a toilet. It's just mind boggling to see the disconnect.
Thanks for validating that! I was shocked the last couple of days, Deace will not let it go and is making fun of Candace in every show now. Erzen is loving the put down of Candace Owens and I'm like: what is actually happening??? Deace is willing to support a fabricated time line on the assassination of Charlie Kirk so that more people come to Christ? What?
Steve Deace will always have my thanks for exposing the Covid corruption, but many times I've felt there's an element to freedom that he doesn't really quite get- for example he advocatd for the mandating of masks "if it was a matter of life or death" (or something to that effect).
Freedom is not conditional, to be allowed or not allowed by the gov't. Asking questions is also a GOOD thing. Every so often we see our heroes exposed for the conflicted human beings they are - happens all the time- and it's sad, but definitely eye-opening. I haven't been able to listen to Deace since the Todd Erzen comment. I guess that good Catholic forgot about "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone."
Sorry, you can look at this a million different ways, but there’s no way to explain ‘Mikey’s’ behavior as ‘normal’ or ‘’expected’. Mikey was “in” on this assassination. Everyone trying to explain this as anything else is just digging a bigger hole for themselves. Time to stop digging-we know what happened.
In Candace Owens' podcast yesterday, 10/28, she played a selfie video that McCoy recorded at some point just after the shooting. He breathes heavily, then says, twice, words to the effect "Charlies's dead." How he could have known that, assuming he hadn't returned to the tent, is a mystery.
On the establishment hatred of Candace, she said yesterday that after the assassination she assumed she would be working with the TP/USA people to figure out what really happened. As it turns out, TP/USA seems happy to accept Kash Patel's Tyler Robinson story, look ahead, keep fundraising, and damn anyone who gets in the way of the lucrative operation Kirk built. Is Bibi's $150 million back on the table?
It is also clearer than ever from texts and photos that Owens and Kirk were very close. Kirk shared texts with Owens as early as 2018 saying he expected to die young. A year ago, he said his work with TP/USA would be the end of him. And of course in the months before his death, he told associates he feared Israel might kill him for deserting them. That was reported prior to Kirk's death by Harrison Smith on an Infowars broadcast.
Talk about a potential true crime book!
I don’t think the selfie guy was Mikey…as he is seen walking away from the scene. Rather I believe the selfie guy (who looked older than Mikey) is someone different/the TP guy who ultimately took the camera down from the tent. But yes, he exclaims ‘Charlie’s dead’ …but yet how would he know that for certain at that point…? He wouldn’t have known, none of us knew…he only would know if he was somehow “in the know”. Snakes…all around poor Charlie… 😢
I think you're right, thanks!
Well isn't that expected and conveeenient. Old antisemite CandAss teams up in support with K with the story of him outing that big bad Israel. So obvious to some of us what the demonic agenda is and is working out as planned. Sucking in all the ignorant dupes and enemies of God.
Another great investigator is George Web, who is also on Substack and has been bird-dogging the Charlie Kirk murder with incredible connections.
Thanks for posting on this, John.
Webb
Yes, thank you.
See the three little dots to the right of comment? click for dropdown menu.... Edit
https://georgewebb.substack.com/
I like to keep mistakes...for historical purposes.
hope he does not end up like Gary Webb. The man who put CIA and the Crack epidemic to light. Died by suicide with 2 bullets to the back of the head. Neat trick. Were so fucked. Trump may just be the worlds greatest actor. Funny how none of these wars have stopped.
Thank you for reporting here. That is VERY odd. And I don't know why that guy is so smiley all the time. If that's just his face then he needs to LEARN to tone down that happy smile for sad situations like this!!!! Also, if he is such a brilliant Chief of Staff, then why didn't he assure there was an ambulance standing ready for a group of 3,000 and a "threatened" boss. Does not make sense? AND, why did they put him in an SUV. Didn't stop to think? What if they crashed on the way, their victim would surely die. Also where was the police escort? They could have at least gotten that from one of the officers there don't you think? Soooo many things wrong. You know what, how about TPUSA feelings of regret like they let down their boss!!! Isn't that how we would all feel, like we COULD HAVE DONE MORE!!!! Either to protect him, or save him in some way. Even if we couldn't it is a normal feeling!!!! I see NONE of that with any of them!!
Absolutely agree on the ambulance. Very strange there wasn't one waiting there for that group of people. Anyone could've collapsed. For any large group a waiting ambulance is mandatory.
It is great that independent media is on top of this case. It is clear that the failure of the authorities to produce the ballistics report shows they have no confidence in the 30.-06 being the murder weapon. I am surprised the people like Megyn Kelly are willing to go along with the obviously non-credible story line.
Maybe someone got to Megyn… I kind of enjoyed some of her content but she lost me as a subscriber with her endorsement of the trans phobic shooter narrative without having looked further into the case. Who makes that statement and backs it up with stating she ‘hasn’t watched Candace’? You have limited knowledge about a situation and are still going to state your opinion…? That’s not too intelligent…
You are right, Paula. Anyone who has been following Candace's coverage of this case since September 10 knows that she documents her claims. I have become a fan of Candace over the past year.
There is the "ask no questions" crowd, headed by Steve Deace and the "ask questions" crowd, headed by Candace Owens. Steve has turned on his own listeners with vitriol that we dare question the contrived and absurd narrative being handed to us. Instead, he wants to grift on Charlies assassination that it will bring about a Christian resurgence, making Charlie a Martyr and silencing those of us who just want to understand who killed Charlie and why.
I think the money flow to TPUSA should stop immediately. Let iZrael fund it with their blood money. Shut it down - TPUSA is a crime scene in progress.
I'd never had any correspondence with TP/USA before the hit. Many, many text and e-mail solicitations since.
I’m inundated. I burn them.
Mental illness on display. Removed from reality. RFR like TDS.
What is RFR?
Removed from reality
Thank you John. It was a very dirty Hit and there are at least 2 sets of hands all over it: Clearly Mossad and CIA!
The investigation should include cell phone records from McCoy’s phone, a routine exercise for the FBI. That would pinpoint the source of a call, if there was one. I also believe conversations can be retrieved within a certain time period, although I am u certain about that.
Is it even possible for someone not to flinch reflexively after hearing a nearby gunshot?
Hope Tyler Robinson’s attorney can get her hands on the phone records to be used to create reasonable doubt…. ( unfortunately not likely she will even care to as she has been hand selected by the prosecution)
Reminder: There is another man’s life at stake now.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think about another planned execution of a major public figure. Powerful, shadowy people doing truly evil things in the world.
Excellent questions, ALL. Hugely interesting AND the possibilities, gut-wrenchingly disturbing.
Excellent point!
HOW does every Media and government official Charlie Kirk supporter lineup in lockstep and LIE to the American People about WHO and HOW Charlie was assassinated!
That kid never could have shot Kirk with a massive 30:06 bullet. Kirk’s head would have been blown off.
Yet there are numerous cellphone real time videos showing coordination between people behind Kirk and within 20 feet of Kirk.
Footage shows the microphone on his T-shirt is what appeared to have detonated.
But there was no autopsy report. And No interest in investing the real evidence
The area where Charlie had his tent, was not even a crime scene, and was seen on TV being bulldozed the next morning to make way for a memorial spot or similar.
The FBI and most every “Kirk” official media & government supporters seem at peace with their conscience, blaming a kid for an act he couldn’t pull off, as he never brought the rifle to the roof. Though did hide it in the bushes before heading up to the roof. And no videos shows him on the roof like the shooter in Butler PA.
So the takeaway we should all accept the “Official Lie” for the greater good of the U.S.A.
Just like COVID, 9/11, Man on the Moon, JFK and so many more we don’t even know about.
One Day We will turn on the TV and be told that Our Constitution is FAKE and was signed BY AUTOPEN.
AND IN LOCKSTEP THE OFFICIALS WILL AGREE.
i share you skepticism but there is no evidence to support the Microphone theory. Audio recordings of that day show there was crack thump which is indicative of a gun shot as it breaks the sound barrier. An explosion would just be picked up as a bang with echoes.
https://rumble.com/v6zp0fk-episode-2-roof-guy-not-the-shooter-tracking-tyler-and-debunking-the-junk.html
hope the link works. if not its Dr Chris Martinson from Peak Prosperity is where you can find this.
How about a subsonic rifle??? Martinson gives me the the willies.
I agree that many Official Lies were told about COVID, JFK assassination (not to mention RFK and MLK Jr.) and 9/11.
What do you mean by "Man on the Moon"? Is that the assertion that the U.S. didn't actually land a man on the moon? If you think the U.S. didn't land men on the moon, you need to study up on the "space race" between the U.S. and Russia and the entire U.S. space program from Project Mercury through the Apollo Program. It's one thing to lie about one event but faking an entire space program and several moon landings...no. I lived through that whole era. Even the Official Liars couldn't pull off a lie that long and complex.
https://lroc.im-ldi.com/images/1198
I wish you idiots that think the moon landings were fake would shut the fuck up.
The whole thing is crazy. If Charlie was having second thoughts about Israel and its position on Gaza, and some of TPA's donor class was considering to defund TPA, people's livelihoods are AT STAKE. Hard stop. Makes people do insane things and getting Charlie out of the picture so the christian zionist culture can continue its influence doesn't seem so far fetched.
Opposite of farfetched. Fits perfectly in fact.
Agree, nothing about it is adding up
If there were co-conspirators that had a series of actions pre-planned, each one of which were designed to kill the target, then as soon as one of the actions in the series accomplished the objective, then would it not be better to suspend the series of remaining actions, which would be done when the success of the action(s) was communicated to the other co-conspirators?
Pastor McCoy's statements, especially about Mike being covered in blood, seem like the behavior of someone used to being able to say anything, no matter how egregious the lying, and not be challenged. Watching him speak, pastor McCoy oozes slime. One of those people you know instantly cannot be believed about anything. Thanks for weighing in on this John.
This behavior does seem very strange. What could be known is the number or numbers he called and what time the calls were made and how long they lasted. (Someone affiliated with T.P. said he called the Vice President and Erika). One option would be to directly release the call logs to the public.
However, should T.P. not wish to do so, that is their right. What isn't their right is to cast aspersions on people for not believing the official story. That story doesn't make sense. It's not acceptable to give a jail term and/or the death penalty to another person without a real investigation.
Destruction of a crime scene precludes a fair trial yet the govt is proceeding with this trial after doing just that, helped by TP.
Erika "forgiving" someone who has not been brought to trial, who did not even have a defense attorney at the time of that "forgiveness", let alone a conviction is not acceptable. She is declaring Tyler Robinson guilty by her "forgiveness". Apparently, she will be "forgiving" him again before he has had a trial and been found guilty. This is ethically reprehensible and I hope she takes this part out of her Nov. 5th interview on FOX.
Apparently Kash has told Tulsi she may not investigate intelligence agency involvement in this shooting. Why not? Does he have a right to quash her investigation? Is this good cop/bad cop? I don't know. I only know that like many other people this story does not fit the evidence provided by the govt. I will not go along with my govt. lying to me and railroading a conviction. That same applies to TP, an organization which has a history of cover ups of illegal activity. Here is a video examining their past behavior in this regard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdk3Mp3xHkM
Excellent post. I thought the same about Erika's foregiving the accused as if he were guilty beyond doubt. I hadn't heard that about Kash telling Tulsi to stand down. I don't see where he would have such authority, although it puts her in a bad spot to directly defy him. I sure hope she does. Kash just told us to stop asking questions, and essentially that we are terrible people for questioning the official story. What a disappointment.
Shouldn't forgiveness be reserved for those who express remorse?
Who was showing remorse when Christ from the cross uttered the words, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do?"
CB, There are many answers given to your question by both secular and religious people. For me personally, forgiveness is a choice. I certainly hope that a person who has done something wrong would show remorse, clearly admit to what they had done and ask (not demand, ask for) forgiveness. But in my experience, that doesn't happen very often. My experience could be very different from yours.
For me it is extremely disturbing that Erika would "forgive Tyler Robinson before his trial was complete and actual guilt established in a fair trial. Forgiving him for something he may not have even done helps to deny him a fair trial. A true Christian or an ethical person would not do such a thing. Tyler is facing the death penalty. Using her fire power as the wife of Kirk to "forgive" him into a conviction in the court of public opinion is simply wrong.