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scott carl's avatar

You could not have convinced me of this when I joined the military as a young man, but I believe it all as an old guy.

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Pat Sz's avatar
1dEdited

I used to think whistleblowers like Snowden were traitors. My whole thought process has turned around. It's always about $$$

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

me too.

slowly awakening. . . John's post here makes a long stride.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

And remember that CIA Director Pompeo wanted to poison Julian Assange while he was in solitary, without charges, in a horrible London prison, for five years! Assange just reported what whistleblowers told him about the federal government and that's what happened to him. I'm not a fan of Assange, but this is what our govt. does.

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suannee's avatar

I am a fan of Assange. He was quite brave to publish. He is a journalist. There's an abandoned concept. His wife counters the crap rumors about his private life as well.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

I agree with that portion of his life, he did us a great service. I am extremely disappointed that he was marching with protestors against Israel...they have misplaced ideas of just who the real underdog is.

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DRK's avatar

Was Assange prostesting the people of Israel? Or the government?

Like Netanyahu, who signed up essentially the entire population of Israel to be lab hamsters - for a GERMAN pharmaceutical corporation.

We will never always agree with everything anyone else says, does or thinks. Not even ourselves- as over time our perspectives change as we go through different experiences, and encounter information we were not aware of before.

I don't have to agree with everything Assange eve said or did to salute him as a true hero.

Snowden even moreso- since he KNEW what was almost certainly going to happen to him. Doing the right thing in spite of great personal cost- that is real courage.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

He was protesting for the Palestinians. The propaganda by Hamas, actually Qatar who funds Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS, is massive and people believe it because our MSM actually promotes it. It is sad that critical thinking and actual research have taken a backseat to protesting and marching without truly looking at the situation. Almost immediately the world forgot what was done over 20 years by Hamas and the Palies who voted them in and who were with them on Oct. 7th when they slaughtered men, women, children and babies.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

I had an entire response written out and accidentally erased it...hate when that happens. Like you, I fully agree on Assange. He was kept in a horrible London prison in solitary confinement for five years, with no charges against him! Untenable! Meanwhile, our CIA Director Mike Pompeo wanted to poison him. Why? All Assange did was post what was told to him by whistleblowers. I was thrilled when he was released and that he's home with his family in Australia. I don't have to like everything about the person to know he was persecuted and what he did by informing the public was righteous.

As for Snowden, I really like him and am glad he's in Russia. As for Zelensky, that perverted comedian who was placed in power, he didn't have to have this war, but Biden was really responsible. As far as Trump is concerned, I'm disturbed with his stance on Russia, it sounds too much like the Stalinist Dems. There was a deal, and Biden squelched it and caused the war and all the money to flow out of our country. How many homes does Zelensky own now? Here's my article on that rotten maggot.

https://newswithviews.com/mr-president-stop-backing-this-crook/

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Pat Sz's avatar

Right. Its a miracle he's still alive.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

You are right, that prison was pure hell, thankfully, he is home with his family in Australia. Everything he published was spot on, same with Snowden.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

I also used to consider Snowden a traitor. We thought that because back then we listened to and believed the propaganda. Now we know better. It’s no fun, though.

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Daniel's avatar

I was a marine corps grunt in the vietnam war 1967-1969. The things the united states does to other people is horrifying. The united states and israel are the main terrorist organizations in the world. Just look at the slaughter.The genocide in Gaza, where more than 200000 people are dead.Women children men killed. In the united states is paying for it all. We are a sick country.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

There is no genocide in GAZA...you have fallen prey to the propaganda of Qatar who funds Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and ISIS, with great thanks from the number one terrorist nation in the world, Iran. If you don't believe my words, read Gen. Michael Flynn's book, Field of Fight. Please don't listen to Hamas' lies. Taqiyya is the term the Islamists use for their "religious" reasons for lying to infidels. They laugh at us for believing anything they say. They make movies of their "dead" people and then we see in later films where the dead got up and walked and washed the phony blood off themselves.

Israel doesn't bake babies in ovens in front of their raped mothers and slaughtered fathers. Israel doesn't choke infants and toddlers to death like they did to those adorable Bibas' babies. Watch the pictures of the films the Hamas people took on Oct. 7th. Listen to the phone call of the teenager calling his mother in GAZA and telling her that he killed 10 Jews that day.

Israel is the most moral army in the world, they treat and care for Palestinian children at no cost in their Israel hospitals. Did you see the one child whose neck was broken and they thought he would die, I think he was 8 years old. The Israeli doctors saved him and fixed his neck and he walks and is fine today.

And let me ask you, during the Vietnam war, did we send 3 billion in food to the North Vietnamize? Did we send food to Germany and Japan during WWII? We did send planeloads of goods of all sorts, including tanks and trucks, butter and jewelry to Soviet Russia through the lend-lease program handled by communist Harry Hopkins who lived in the Lincoln bedroom and was an advisor to FDR...but we have never sent food to the nations we were fighting. Why do nations demand that Israel do something none of them would ever think of doing?

The food that has been delivered to GAZA is stolen by Hamas and sold for firearms, no one seems to be really starving, but if the Gazans are truly hungry, they need to go to Hamas for their food because much of it has rotted before it's even passed out.

Now the western stations are voting for the Palies to have their own state. What do you think they had since 2005? Did they create a beautiful place and enjoy the Israeli land that was given to them? No, they destroyed everything Israel gave them, and they spent all their time digging tunnels and sending bombs into Israel. A state for the Palies? If these western nations thing they deserve that, then why don't they carve out a spot for them in their own nations? Because everywhere they go they create havoc and that's why the Arab nations don't want them either.

Don't be programmed by the lies...there are already far too many people who are fooled by the treacherous who want all infidels dead. Either we become Islamists or they will kill us, first the Saturday people, then the Sunday people. No one is talking about the massive slaughter of Christians and Druze, and the only one helping is Israel...she is fighting the war for the world.

Instead of slandering her, we should be massively supporting her for if we do not, our America will end up like France, England, Germany and the other nations who have allowed these barbaric savages into their countries. Their goal is world domination and throughout history they have slaughtered everyone who doesn't bow to them.

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Aussiegrandma/Aussie Grandma's avatar

Thank you for such an honest comment, totally agree with you on every word. The Fakestinians are just that, and Israel is the most decent army in the whole world. The unrealistic expectations of the corrupt people of this world’s governments for that tiny piece of land is abominable. No matter what Israel does or doesn’t do it will always be hated with the age old hatred that is a spiritual war brought to you by haSatan himself - he has many devotees everywhere. Their damning of the Jews is the plan to get rid of God once and for all. Isn’t that the end game for these miscreants? Why just single out Israelis and Jews endlessly? There’s plenty of Gentiles (Esau’s descendants of many colours and races along with Ishmael’s) who have their own finger in the ME pie. Trouble is, they all want a piece of this particular pie and will help to defame the Israelis to get it - even the useless idiots on campuses, streets and bridges who know nothing of the ongoing and age lasting ME issues or its inhabitants (Assange, who I once thought was righteous in his disclosures and indecently incarcerated was at the head of the march of these 90,000 useless idiots that crossed the Sydney Harbour Bridge a few weeks ago, sadly).

Pallywood has been at this theatre for 100 years and that quote above of 200,000 Fakestinians dead is more taqqiya (holy lies for the cause of Islamic takeover - yeah we’re all NEXT). These truly unbelievable stats come from Hamas itself. Come on people! Wake up! They care very little for their own people, blood and gore and death is their creed and the killings at aid agencies distributing food is by Hamas agents who kill their own people, blame the IDF and steal the food even before it’s been delivered and sell it on the black market for arms as stated above or to hungry Gazans who have no recourse but to submit to their persecutors or die. They have said so themselves - but it seems the “madonna types” get all the good press.

Here in Australia there are some of us who know the truth but our far left communist government in power (for now) doing the deep state’s bidding on making us the communist template for the world (you too USA) is backing the losing team and destroying our overseas reputation in the process.

Since a certain powerful government interfered with an Australian election process so many decades ago, we have not voted for these corrupt politicians, either side of the aisle.

Am Israel Chai!

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Ely's avatar

You can't convince the antisemites of this world. Assange? Carlson? They are henchmen for the savages.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

I know, but I continue to try. Thanks Ely!

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DRK's avatar

Unless a person is actually there, it is very difficult to know what is really happening in the Gaza strip, and in and around Israel.

Therefore, I can forgive well-intentioned people who are being misled.

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ILoveLiberty's avatar

Thanks and thumbs-UP!

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Kristen's avatar

Every word well said.

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Paula Wertheim's avatar

Well said. Thank you🫡

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M. Dowrick's avatar

Uh oh someone has been seriously brainwashed. Hamas was created by Mossad. Wake the hell up! The response time on October 6th by the IDF a disaster, why? Soldiers told to stand down? Military jets grounded? What happened?

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Paula Wertheim's avatar

The one who is seriously brainwashed is you. Sorry, Mossad did not create Hamas.

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suannee's avatar

When you get true Zionist opinions, you might as well not try to be rational with them.

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AG Fairfield's avatar

I also am incredulous about the official narrative on Oct 7. I believe there are many layers to this onion. I find it plausible that the Israeli government under the leadership of Bibi Netanyahu was content to have civilian collateral damage in order to bring tensions with Hamas (which it may well have been underwriting) to head. At the same time I also believe that Hamas is full of religious lunatics Who truly believe it’s a good thing outright kill Jews.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

The media has obviously been very successful in their propaganda...satan wins again with people who choose to always blame the Jews. God's Word is true and sadly too many side with satan instead of the Creator.

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AG Fairfield's avatar

Jesus, a Jew himself, certainly had many choice words about the unrighteousness of their leaders. And Paul was beside himself with despair over their unbelief. Fast forward and most are utterly secular. Who God chooses out of that nation in the end, according to Romans, is His business. For we mere mortals, placing some kind of halo over the whole Jewish race defies everything the Scripture teaches about human fallenness.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

Do more research, many have come...one of the largest ministries in the world is run by Jewish people.

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Brian Mega's avatar

An army that forces people to join them is NOT a "moral" military. What a FUCKING joke. There is no fucking military on the planet that is "moral". Governments, police and militaries are thug pieces of shit - doesn't matter WHERE they come from. If you see a human being carrying a gun and wearing badge, {or a patch} that is a THUG. And no I'm NOT pro street thug either. I'm ANTI thug PERIOD, don't care what clothes they wear.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

You sound like Mamdani...another communist who thinks police are dangerous.

The Communists know, as the American people do not, that the city and community police forces now constitute one of the most important remaining obstacles to the gradual, insidious and at first invisible establishment of the mechanics of their Communist police state.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

It's not necessary when writing to a group of people to use gutter language to get your point across, there are tons of adjectives that make the point.

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William's avatar

Probably a huge fan of the domestic terrorist org called “Antifa”

Mandan, plo, antisemites to there blacked rotted core.

See how long you make it in dc at night.

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John's avatar

Gossip

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ArnoldF's avatar

no genocide in Gaza--you have your facts from mainstream media sources which are pure anti-Israeli propaganda.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

I do not. MSM runs the Palestinian promotion and all the protestors wearing their keffiyehs. So don't tell me I get my info from mainstream sources. Do you really support barbaric savages that think rape is their right and they want all who don't believe like them to die?

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suannee's avatar

Daniel - absolutely correct.

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M. Dowrick's avatar

No, we are led by sick,people. Genocide in Palestine znd our very own president condoning it. A very big mistake.

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Allison Gilliland's avatar

I hate how these personal accounts sully all of the forces. Many people who serve are good people who love the country. I wish they could be saved from having to be associated with these less desirables.

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Diane N's avatar

Israel has free health care and free college for its citizens. It can afford this because the United States funds their military. They dont need US funding to carry out whatever they're doing in Gaza, whether it's a genocide or the ultimate 15 minute city experiment. We do not owe allegiance to Israel.

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William's avatar

Were you so heartily adamant about the recent disgusting massacre of innocents in Israel. Me wonder?

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Allison Gilliland's avatar

Zero to do with what I said.

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SteelJ's avatar

It's sad so many well-meaning and patriotic young men submit to military life and the risks that go with it, thinking they're helping their fellow citizens, when they're actually working for the assholes who seek only to dominate, hurt, and extract wealth from us. OTOH, since so many of us know the score, shouldn't they? A lot like the COVID jab injured. I feel sorry for the kids and coerced. The others? How could they miss such an obvious scam? So many red flags right in their face, yet they rolled up their sleeves and told us we should do the same.

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Dee's avatar

Propaganda is the beast my friend.

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SteelJ's avatar
1dEdited

True. But propaganda only works if one lacks self-awareness. You don't have to learn some things from decades of experience, although that's a good thing too. But since I was a kid, I'd hear propaganda, or effective advertising, and feel it having its desired effect on me. And I'd think, "ha - I'm not going to let you get by with that bullshit on me". What is it with most people? Do they just absorb the message and react like programmed robots? Of course you feel the effect, but if you have a working brain you should see exactly what's happening, why they do it, and immediately discard the effects, even be pissed off they're trying to play those games on you. Are most so stupid they don't even realize what's happening?

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DRK's avatar

Not everyone is blessed with the discernment you have.

The Milgram shock experiment at Yale in 1963 showed that roughly 2/3rds of the participants would do whatever someone in an apparent position of authority told them to do - even, they thought, delivering electric shocks to people shrieking in pain; shocks the experimental subjects were told could even be fatal (though the shocks were fake).

https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

Since 1963, exposure to synthetic chemical compounds & heavy metals has skyrocketed- many of them known to be toxic, though tens of thousands of these compounds have never been tested for safety in human exposure at all. These include chemicals with neuro-toxic effects, and those that are mutagenic, or affect human fetal development.

Over the same time period, the quality of nutrition has plummeted. Soils are depleted of nutrients, due to industrialization of what is inherently a biological process- especially the (mostly needless) use of toxic chemical pesticides: insecticides fungicides, rodenticides, and herbicides - which, along with chemical exposure though nearly every consumer product, food packaging, etc, is a major source of toxic exposure.

In the 60 years since, the Industrial Food Complex and government discouraged people from consuming the most nutrient-dense traditional foods - the foods essential for optimal human brain development & function.

Add increasing federal control over 'education' (the U.S. Dept. of Education didn't begin operations until 1980).... and is it any wonder that so many people cannot think critically? Or think for themselves?

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SteelJ's avatar
1hEdited

Sounds like you are saying the answer to my question is "yes". Unfortunately your case is solid. Which makes me wonder about there being a "judgement day". If people basically just submit to whatever external influence they encounter - "hate the jews", "Russians are evil", "behead the infidels", "Trump is a Nazi", destroy the unmasked and unvaccinated" then for them, facing a "judgement day" is akin to condemning a cat for toying with a mouse and then killing it. It's who they are, choice has nothing to do with it. Always tried to reconcile the idea of a judgement day with the reality I see around me. Or, are the real humans a subset surrounded by NPCs who won't face any uncalled for judgement, being lemmings after all? Do you know?

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DRK's avatar

Or is propaganda the 'speech of the Beast'?

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suannee's avatar

Like, my like button doesn't work.

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dmickg's avatar

I think this is absolutely the case and it extends to medicine as well. 'Scientists', physicians, hospitals.....have all become 'soldiers' doing the bidding of the pharma-medical industrial complex. It IS about the money!!

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ILoveLiberty's avatar

Add the DOD to your list.

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Danny Huckabee's avatar

The whole point of the Ukraine War is the neo-cons wanted to destroy Russia and take it over, splitting it into 5 or so smaller countries that they then would rule as oligarchs. Several million dead and wounded, 10 million or so refugees, millions impoverished, and no end in site.

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CB's avatar

The Euros have actually stated that their 30-year "business plan" is a war to take over and split up Russia. They say the war will remain conventional because the Russians are too chicken to launch nukes. Whether they're that stupid or just committed to depopulating their own countries, which they've already wrecked, remains to be seen.

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Taming the Wolf Institute's avatar

Many years ago, 1973, I traveled with friends to Honduras. We trailered a trimaran sailboat all the way from the States for a trip out to our destination on the Cayos Cachinos (Hog) islands. While in town (La Ceiba) making final preparations, we received an invite to the Standard Fruit plantation headquarters. Feeling "all special" (VIPS) we ventured over for breakfast coffee. A server delivered a very fine silver tea/coffee set and invited us to partake. A few minutes later, a representative showed up. We presumed this was our host who would sit and visit. Nope. With a stern delivery lacking in all tact or subtlety, he warned us that while we were in country we had better not mess with any of their operations. The message was clear: look cross-eyed at us and pay a steep price. He turned abruptly and left us to finish our coffee. (Yeah, sure, we thought, as we put down our cups and got the hell out of there.)

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

So, was Standard Fruit a Mexican or US owned operation?

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DRK's avatar

Standard Fruit Co. was a U.S. company, that later became Dole.

Along with the United Fruit Company, Standard Fruit played a significant role in the governments of Honduras and other Central American countries, which became known as "banana republics" due to the high degree of control which the fruit companies held over the nations- reportedly with the help of n infamous three-letter-agency.

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dmickg's avatar

Said it for years..... By virtue of it's wealth, power and lack of accountability, the US government is THE most corrupt government on planet Earth!

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ArnoldF's avatar

oh ok, so why are the majority of the nations coming here or attempting to emulate everything that America does? Your opinion is socialist globalist propaganda hiding in plain sight attempting to poison the well.

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DRK's avatar

Is the UK, Canada, or the EU - with their overt socialist & centralized authoritarian policies and laws - "attempting to emulate everything that America does"?

No freedom of speech, electronic ID, vanishing property rights...

These things are happening in the U.S., too - but not to the same extent- and there is a lot of pushback from We the People. There is a long way to go, but more and more citizens are waking up to the fact that the government the people "ordained and established" to secure our UNalienable rights has not been doing its job - and has forgotten that it exists to serve us.

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dmickg's avatar

Clearly you did not understand my comment at all. And your response reveals a pretty astounding ignorance concerning our GOVERNMENT’s corrupt activities here and abroad over the last 150 years or so. Especially over the last 25 years. In spite of this, we are still the land of opportunity for the PEOPLE …be they citizens or not. Furthermore, I am about as far from “socialist globalist” as one could possibly be. And the TRUTH is never propaganda.

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Lynn Boudreau's avatar

I remember back in 2011. Don’t know if it’s still on YouTube or not with Ted Gutherson when he was revealing all about Fort Bragg and how they were bringing drugs from overseas in our precious soldier’s body bags and that it was for a satanic ritual cult and Fort Bragg or around Fort Bragg, and that was the first really eye-opener that I had seen like in the supernatural dark realm in a very long time cause I had ran away from the Lord for almost 18 years and much had gone down that I knew nothing about because I was part of the dark side in my own life turning my back on Jesus But when I dedicated my life to the Lord in 2008, wow did he begin to wake me up never could I believe that our military could be used that way could I believe that our police force in California could be part of a satanic ritual cult, but they were and they still are and it doesn’t matter to me whether you believe it or you don’t I know it’s fact and it’s forever settled in my heart and my mind another I know the Lord wanted to show me all of this because I needed to know what I was up against if I was gonna really walk in this realm with him but today after getting out of a chair fixing to commit suicide because I couldn’t do it anymore. God is not giving me a spirit of fear, but of power, loving a sound mindand I will go out of this world speaking the truth to everybody I know so they can wake up to in Jesus name.

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ILoveLiberty's avatar

Those who have been the lowest are those can be the ones He chooses to go highest. Jer.29:11. He has already given you the gift of seeing spiritually, which Christians in teaching churches seem to lack. Father God healed me one night and has since equipped me for spiritual war and He will do the same for you. An Apostolic Prophetic church, online or in- person, will help open your eyes to whom you are in the Bible. Important. He has a purpose for you. Try watching a couple of episodes of ElijahStreams and maybe it will speak to you. I watch Prophet Robin Bullock and Johnny Enlow. They have fueled my fire into a bomb in more ways than one and expedited me towards my future. Things are coming together. He does have good plans for you but those demons gotta go. Suicide is a demon. Those demons come after those they can tell are chosen and called for God's purpose. Truth.

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Sukey Watson's avatar

I was married to a man the service and this is what precisely many servicemen realize: they are just low paid mercenaries clearing the way for corporate interests. Actual mercenaries are much higher paid ( I know one personally ) however they have no backup and must be able to survive their current mission to receive their second installment of their pay, the receive the first at the outset of each mission ).

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Tony Broomfield's avatar

Younger Brother is getting the hang of it, but Smedley Butler got it in 1914. Information control has been almost watertight for a century thanks to the wholly owned MediaCorp.

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Realist's avatar

"Listening to these anecdotes, my brother got the overwhelming impression that America’s greatest warriors are being used as muscle for commercial and political interests that have nothing to do with defending the American homeland."

That has been the case for decades.

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Honeybee's avatar

I red pilled in 2015 on my own. Afterwards, I began an enormous reading campaign of everything...I mean everything. I considered multiple viewpoints from multiple angles. Some I discarded. Most were revelations I found substantiated by numerous sources from disparate disciplines.

After watching events unfold particularly in Iraq and Syria, I came to the identical conclusion you have above. Our military is used primarily by those who control financial flows and start wars. Ukraine was started deliberately with the probable intent to allow war weapons entry via Ukraine into worldwide dissemination (destabilization) and to launder money which involves financial chicanery ultimately destabilizing financial systems. You can call them Oligarchs; mega-conglomerates; transnational corporations; Illuminati; money generators as in "The Fed"--I really don't care. Our military has developed a worldwide network (look at the "combatant command" structure) because they protect and secure assets and natural resources for exploitation by these interests...including the exploitation of human beings through either trafficking or cheap, unsustainable labor.

Richard Werner, the noted economist who recently appeared on Tucker Carlson's podcast, also explained how financiers--those in the top circles--can tank economies and destroy a country financially by the economic insights he's developed.

Col. Macgregor (retired) is forthright in stating that we've destabilized nation after nation creating political chaos throughout the world. I was reminded of this fact again this morning as I read an X contribution in a ZeroHedge article. The author of the X stated that, after 14 years of NATO-European disruption (read U.S.A. for NATO), Libya is still disintegrated into warlord domains. The article reported that Libya is attempting a vote soon, but key areas have already pulled out and will not participate in the vote. 14 years completely destabilized.

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Ahmed’s Stack of Subs's avatar

smedley butler knew

whitney webb digs into the intel/crime/special operations connections going back to oss in china/burma/india theater. opium as a commodity when tribes would not accept silver or gold as payment for their support. back to the opium wars. afghan opium. dea. marijuana from mexico. cocaine from columbia and peru. iran/contra. dea, cia, fbi, special operations. drugs avoid the banking problem. not hard to believe.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

John, haven't we always known this was true? And the government never cared about the POWs or MIAs...ask yourself why...I remember Kissinger's actions well. Because of him, we never got our captured soldiers back.

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