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albert venezio's avatar

Good information John. And the shooter is usually on anti-depressants which main side-effects are homicide and suicide.

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Jennifer Jones's avatar

I wonder if Tyler was taking SSRIs.

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Pamela's avatar

Most likely. And probably his transgender partner also. I think they have a chip on their shoulder and feel picked on perhaps so they lash out....

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Pamela's avatar

Most likely

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wkenn's avatar

You have identified and asked the 'elephant in the room' question appropriate to any of these events.

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Jennifer Jones's avatar

You'd think we'd hear. BUT, this may be different, since he really wasn't shooting at the kids and teachers at a school he'd attended. This may have been more something tied in with "political" groups, so SSRIs may not matter. This could be very interesting to know--whether kids on SSRI's tend to stick to school/past events/past places that they relate to experiencing as youth.

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wkenn's avatar

“You'd think we'd hear.”

I’m reading it as an assumption, at best, regarding: “You'd think we'd hear.” .

My reply: In a perfect world, yes; in the imperfect world, ‘not so fast!’

This whole incident has more holes than the Swiss cheese in my fridge.

SSRIs? Nasty stuff. Consider (you might already be at this point), the person on an SSRI loses contact with reality, instead living in an altered reality.

During the journey, the person (patient) loses the ability to either distinguish or differentiate the actions of the drug vs the world where they live. Reality testing goes out the window.

Side effects include thoughts of homicide/suicide. Thoughts progress to action…the patient(s) loses the ability to perceive what is occurring in their thought process. This opens more doorways to aberrant behaviour.

Is all this harboring potential violent behaviour? IMO yes, and the person (patient) in the altered mental status induced by the SSRI cannot take the appropriate measures to reverse the process.

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wkenn's avatar

“This could be very interesting to know--whether kids on SSRI's tend to stick to school/past events/past places that they relate to experiencing as youth.”

Why are kids on SSRIs?

This is a basic question.

Soma, ‘Brave New World’ Huxley, A (1932)

It is the opiate of the masses.

What makes SSRI ‘therapy’ any different?

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Jennifer Jones's avatar

They sure shouldn't be on them. We need a better solution to help these kids.

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Pamela's avatar

A woman in CO told my friend that the Columbine shooter was on SRI's Her son knew his mother.

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Brad Parsons's avatar

Did you mention scope is mounted at the wrong location on the rifle to use? That's a biggie.

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David Rinker's avatar

The scope is mounted too far back. Anyone firing this weapon would have a severe cut above the eye.

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wkenn's avatar

'Scope eye'

There are currently more questions than answers .

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DS's avatar

Scope location looks fine to me, scope ends right about where lower hand grip is, same location as my deer rifle.

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Bill Bradford's avatar

Irregular scope mounting was mentioned, but explained differently. please re-read carefully....

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John Guy's avatar

Isolated Video Loop Of Brown Shirt Man Firing

Palm Pistol At Charlie Kirk - Any Doubts Now?

https://rense.com/general98/video-loop.php

-- Charlie Kirk Murder Weapon Revealed And How The Brown Shirt Man (Professional Assassin) Killed Him...

Here is the video for you to examine: Now you know why they took the camera from Mr. Kirk's tent within 5 minutes...it was pointing at the shooter.

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https://rense.com/general98/31fcdec5-8f27-4688-a665-446ec6e3f5b5.mp4

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The crime scene was tampered with within five minutes of the shooting.

Two men caught TAMPERING with evidence after Charlie Kirk's shooting

Footage is here at the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvtTIW_MDyY

How could the crime scene not be secured by the police immediately?

Full un-cut recording from today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y10B2GUMiD0

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John Guy's avatar

Part 2:

Sequence Of Events...

1. The Brown Shirt Man Is Just Casually Standing Behind The Barrier In Front Of Charlie...With His Left Arm Straight Out And Laying On The Top Horizontal Bar Of The People Barrier. He Is Watching Charlie And Not The Crowd Behind. A Security Team Member Would never Turn His Back To The People Behind Him Which He Is Supposed To Be Surveilling. He Is Partially Turned To His Right And Is Not Facing Charlie Straight On. This Is To Better Cover What Is About To Happen.

2. The Brown Shirt Killer Then Brings His Right Hand Forward With The Palm Pistol In Position. He Moves His Hand To Below And In Front Of His Left Shoulder And Just Behind His Bicep.

3. The Tiny Barrel Is Just Barely Visible In A Shadow Between His Two Middle Fingers. You Can See The Opening.

4. He Quickly Aims And Fires The Deadly Round Without Any Hesitation. He Is Actually SMILING While He Kills Charlie.

5. Immediately After The Shot, He Pulls His Right Hand Down And Back From His Firing Position...And Just Puts The Little Gun Back In His Right Side Pocket.

6. In One Fluid Move, He Brings His Now Empty Right Hand Forward And Places It On The Top Of The Barrier. Then, With Both Hands, He Vaults Right Over The Barrier To ‘Help' Carry Charlie To The SUV Out Back. This Assures The Brown Shirt Man’s Escape In The SUV...Which Also Permits Him To Search For The Bullet.

7. Remember, There Is No Paramedic EMT Ambulance On Site. That Alone Is One Of Many Outrageous Parts Of The Sophisticated, Brutal Plot To Kill Charlie Kirk.

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Richie Vieques's avatar

Amazing John... you've clearly nailed it ! Tyler is a decoy. Your footage makes it clear. A pro-hit no doubt. Sad. RIP Charlie...

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John Guy's avatar

Jeff Reese came up with the answer. I always thought the big guy in front did not match your normal student population when I saw early videos on the first day.

FBI says the gun retrieved was a "Mauser 98 30-06 bolt action rifle" found in woods wrapped in a blanket. Image released to the media is of a Remington 700 with a synthetic stock—NOT a Mauser.

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/373/1014/21/gun-mauser-98-30-06-bolt-action-rifle_373_0e29ec42e3fd22ae46929b60117db49d.jpg

https://www.valiantshootingsports.com/assets/images/sku3110%20remington%20700%20adl/remington%20700%20adl%201.jpg

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David Rinker's avatar

Do all 30.06's have Monte Carlo stocks?

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John Guy's avatar

No, not all .30-06 rifles have Monte Carlo stocks. The .30-06 Springfield is a type of ammunition, and it can be chambered in a wide variety of rifles, which come with many different stock configurations. The Monte Carlo is just one specific type of stock design.

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John Guy's avatar

Up to 1963 many did. No, not all .30-06 rifles have Monte Carlo stocks. The .30-06 Springfield is a type of ammunition, and it can be chambered in a wide variety of rifles, which come with many different stock configurations. The Monte Carlo is just one specific type of stock design.

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Richie Vieques's avatar

FBI is in deep Sh*t now. What will they Do ? Release Robinson with an apology and start looking for the real assassin, who's probably thousands of miles away now in a foreign country w/o extradition agreements with the USA... enjoying Life with a hefty bank account. ? Maybe he has plastic surgery and a new identity, so he's once again free to go anywhere... including the USA !?1?!?

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John Guy's avatar

This was a textbook inside job done by highly trained intelligence operators. The kid in custody is just another patsy in a long string of patsies. The real question is.... which country ordered the hit?

Private Jet That Took Off From Utah After Charlie Kirk Assassination Disappears Mid-Flight Sparking Suspicion

"Initially, X (Twitter) users expressed concern about the continued function of Provo Airport, which is a 15-minute drive away from the UVU campus, as the shooter could potentially use it to escape.

One of them, @stellarman22 wrote "A private jet under the tail number N888KG left Provo Airport an hour after the shooting... Suspiciously 30 mins into the flight it drops off of ADS-B illegally and reappears headed back to Provo approx. an hour later... Why did this plane turn off its radar? Where is the shooter?"

https://www.latintimes.com/private-jet-that-took-off-utah-after-charlie-kirk-assassination-disappears-mid-flight-sparking-589463

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In Utah, the arrest of George Zinn, identified as an Ashkenazi Jew, ignites discussion due to the state's minuscule Jewish population.

Arrest Overview;

Authorities arrested Zinn following an incident where he allegedly screamed at police, urging them to arrest him for his involvement in a shooting that occurred during a Charlie Kirk event. His behavior raised eyebrows across the community.

Comments from forums highlight a mix of disbelief and suspicion surrounding Zinn's actions. One person noted, "His craziness helped the shooter get away," questioning Zinn's intentions. Another mentioned his history of political agitation, further complicating the narrative.

https://mysterylores.com/news/mystery-surrounds-george-zinns-arrest-in-utah/

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Pamela's avatar

Perhaps a red herring event.

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Arielle's avatar

I agree Tyler is not the shooter…the bullet came from Charlie’s left, not in front of him.

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Pamela's avatar

Potentially true!

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

my impression is the guy is pulling up his right hand and adjusting his shirt.

What you believe is a barrel sticking out is simply his middle finger / knuckle bent away from those surrounding it.

I see no evidence he had a strap around that hand to secure the "palm gun".

Have you ever shot a hand gun? Very hard to hit the side of a barn door with one that has enough fire power to blowup someone's neck-- 357 or 40.

Finally, if you look at the angle of his arm it points way off to the right side of Charlie Kirk. Any ability to hold the gun close to the palm would result in a bullet aiming in that direction, no where near CK.

I saw zero reaction to a possible handgun recoil in the guys hand and forearm.

I find it very hard to believe a palm-sized hand gun would have the power to blow apart someone's neck and kill.

I saw zero reaction to bystanders being surprised by the palm handgun firing noise. (Even a 22 long rifle makes a lot of noise and anyone standing near him would have jumped.)

I saw zero exhaust gases coming from his right hand fingers.

He moved his hand fluidly up to adjust his shirt and back down in one continuous motion without stopping to aim and fire.

Last but not least: I heard only an odd squish sound upon apparent impact but no high powered rifle sound. A 30-06 is VERY loud. I don't want to watch that horrible video one more time to hear it if it IS there.

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David Rinker's avatar

Thank you. The report sounds louder than a .32 like a rifle shot. Also there are 2 or 3 pops close together. Possible bullet snap or multiple shooters? Listen carefully. Also, a .32 would not exit especially if hitting bone. Thoughts???

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John Guy's avatar

Tyler the pasty, may have fire blank shot thinking he was the sniper, he was just a pasty.

NYT & LA Times Reported Charlie Kirk Being Shot On Sept. 9th- The Day Before His Assassination! PLUS, Amazon Books Had “The Shooting Of Charlie Kirk” Posted 1 Day Before His Murder

https://banned.video/watch?id=68c30d69bbd81cebcbdc766f

Anastasia J. Casey's The Shooting Of Charlie Kirk book gets published a day before Trump ally's killing. Full controversy explained

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/anastasia-j-caseys-the-shooting-of-charlie-kirk-book-gets-published-a-day-before-trump-allys-killing-full-controversy-explained/ar-AA1MrGWR

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AG Fairfield's avatar

The same long video you posted above is analyzed by John Cullen and a guest expert. It is long and drawn out the way Cullen’s stuff tends to be, so the upshot is that this footage if analyzed with special equipment reveals that there were four drones in the area and that just before the shooting the Internet glitches

https://www.youtube.com/live/cRlx04HXYIM?si=fWYBRyv6zAm_PWwN

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Corrin Strong's avatar

That doesn’t look too suspicious!

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John Guy's avatar

I real time it was fast...In One Fluid Move, He brings his now empty right hand forward and places it on the top of the Barrier. Then, with both hands, He vaults right over the Barrier to ‘Help' carry Charlie to the SUV out Back...Remember, There was no Paramedic EMT Ambulance on Site.

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Tony Ledsham's avatar

#Mossad

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mejbcart's avatar

the way the CRIME SCENE was taken apart, really reminds 9/11, all the evidence, send out to China, in Charlies case, who knows who got the films...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvtTIW_MDyY

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wkenn's avatar

You make a valid point with a valid analogy.

For any reader unfamiliar with crime scenes and crime scene management, the crime scene is a deteriorating piece of evidence. As such, preserving it for as long as both possible and necessary is one of the goals/objectives. Not contaminating it is another goal/objective.

Many questions, few answers.....

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Richard Carey's avatar

Timeline of an assassin?

• Assassin runs across roof in full view, but where is their video footage of his arrival on said roof and assembling his weapon on a roof in full view?

• Runs and leaves roof carrying a WW 2 type Mauser bolt action rifle in a bag barely big enough for an assault rifle?

• Drops down 12 feet off roof onto grass, picks up bag and runs away towards open space.

• At some early stage, sticks the 36+ inch 5 kg rifle down his pants, causing a marked limp as he walks towards the compound?

• Later on he leaves the rifle he seemed keen to keep, and leaves it in a wooded area, fully assembled and empty case in breach?

• He is picked up up on CCTV cameras that can identify his shoes, T shirt and cap but not his face?

• All this with a none collapsing WW 2 weapon weighing near to 5 kg, that would take several minutes to assemble?

• After days police find a screwdriver used in the assembly of rifle in full view of the video camera?

• The disassembly and assembly of the rifle and scope would have significantly affected accuracy, NO DOUBT?

• They have video and photos of the firing position and indents in gravel, but none of the actual shot?

• Many expert commentators point out the Minutes Of Angle in the official reports do not match other ballistic evidence or what appears to be an EXIT wound on the left side of his neck?

• One camera catches what could be a muzzle flash from a window behind and to Charlie's right side?

• At least two clothing changes on route?

• I don't think this young man will see the inside of a court room, much like Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby and Epstein??

!I DON'T THINK SO! to many questions remain unanswered

Sergeant Instructor Army Physical Training Corps, Royal Army Medical Corps 1970 to 1990

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

he jumped off the roof holding his backpack only and with left hand holding on to roof to control his fall. I saw no 10# gun, nor did he have one as he walked away. . . How did the rifle arrive in the woods in a blankie?!

Without the REAL medical examiners analysis and expert ballistic testimony we will never know. Gotta' know the route through and where it entered. Need to see blood splatter images. How about GSR on the roof gravel? GSR on lots of stuff? Is the barrel even dirty? Where did he test fire this and learn to assemble and disassemble quickly enough? TIme line for the whole scene?

muzzle flash? who knows. . . it could be anything on a digital image.

Simply not enough info for rational analysis.

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Bob Filice MD's avatar

It's unfortunate that the former battlefield surgeon did not comment on the blood volume, color, and lack of pulsatile action, and the lack of blood behind him and on the way to carrying him to the vehicle. Perhaps you could follow up with these questions?

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wkenn's avatar

The one video I saw did appear to have pulsatile action, along with significant volume.

Color: what I saw in the video was too dark for an oxygenated arterial bleed.

It could be the lighting, or not.

I've looked at a number of stills photographed after the event, no evidence of exit wound pattern on the apparently white tent.

The video I saw of the carry to the vehicle was too short to form an opinion, except this was the likely the best choice though futile as the time from such an open wound to surgery is 3 minutes maximum per a study (approximately 150 cases included) from Ben Taub Hospital in ?? late 1980's early 1990's)

The decorticate posturing noted is evident in the video I saw.

However, a lingering question I have is, in the fraction of a second immediately as the projectile impacts, was there cognition and the initial movement was spontaneous reaction? Without a citation handy, the period of cognition following guillotine (as during the French Revolution) was estimated to be as long as 7 seconds.

There are more questions than answers.

I extend a 'thank you' to John Leake for initiating this avenue of inquiry.

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Dr Rox's avatar

don't waste your time on this one.

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Michael Jenkins's avatar

"We need to know a LOT more information before we can draw any firm conclusions about the crime." - Amen

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

I will second that one!

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Kathy Sloan's avatar

ENOUGH! The holocaust of the 21st century is being livestreamed with hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, tens of thousands of INFANTS & CHILDREN being literally shredded to pieces in Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people - wiping an entire people off the face of the earth while you and others are obsessed with the murder of one controversial individual. Jesus christ, wake up! Where is your conscience?!

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Bill Bradford's avatar

Sadly, lost in the chaos of fake news psy-ops....chaos, confusion, & cognitive dissonance desired goals....all distractions from advancing forces of technocracy & transhumanism....

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Kathy Sloan's avatar

Exactly. What's happening to the Palestinians is the harbinger of what's ahead for all of us. It's now just naked barbarism & savagery. International law, the US Constitution, the Geneva Conventions, and any sense whatsoever of morality & ethics have been obliterated. The Covid scamdemic just completely ripped off "the mask" of the ruling class. A military operation of democide via the bioweapon of mRNA injection - the ultimate WMD.

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Bill Bradford's avatar

Please get the #'s correct: "Covid1984"....*grin*

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Kathy Sloan's avatar

Bill, if you're not familiar with the definitive expose of the military op, do read Sasha Latypova & Debbie Lerman's "Covid Dossier." I'm still waiting for John to interview Sasha - what's he afraid of? https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/the-covid-dossier-updated-a-record?utm_source=publication-search

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Bill Bradford's avatar

Also, "Operation Crimson Contagion", & "Event 201"....

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Hilary Butler's avatar

Please ask the military trauma surgeon what would normally be SEEN when a carotid artery is severed, and what is his analysis of that?

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sourapples's avatar

this thing is absolutely not cut and dry, regardless of what one "expert" claims

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Daniel Kirsner's avatar

Paramount Tactical has released multiple exceptional videos on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the first, "Charlie Kirk - What Really Happened? Did Body Armor Contribute?" can be found here:

https://youtu.be/y6zPjo5Vogc?si=fnCnwi6y-79qsygv

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Dave Campbell's avatar

thanks for putting this together, very helpful. So much conspiracy stuff out there now.

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Useless Liberal's avatar

There is no reason to believe that he did not leave the rifle in the woods- before the shooting - and never actually brought it to the event, until proven otherwise.

There is also no reason to believe that he sent the texts himself, personally, after the shooting, until or unless, verified records are provided that show the geo-locations detailing when, and from where messages were “sent by him”.

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