As much as I like that Kimmel was fired, our 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech is definitely more important. He shouldn’t have been fired for his hate speech. He should be fired for not being funny. He’s no comedian. Not funny at all. He should go find a more suitable job.
He wasn’t fired for speaking hatefully. He was fired for telling outright lies that could possibly cause harm to the country. He violated the FCC rules of engagement for broadcast TV, and ABC used that to dump him since his ratings had tanked. 😎
The irony is that Trump didn't fire him, he doesn't have that power. Disney fired him. Any one who knows Disney knows they don't do ANYTHING that Trump wants. They do what THEY want and that is usually anything that goes against what Trump wants.. This has NOTHING to do with Trump, other than using him as a patsy. What a ridiculous bunch of finger pointing.
The first amendment only applies to the government's restriction of speech, religion and association. A private company can fire whomever they please for any reason they please. Kimmel was released because he was a liability to the company. The fact that he and his writers couldn't put together a show that attracts the kind of people that buys the advertisers products, had been the case for quite some time. Add it together, and it's "pack up, here's your box, be gone before lunch..."
This is the insidious thing about an entire media industry run by advertising budgets. The piper plays the tune he is paid to play, and the sheer size of Pfizers Ad budget bears witness. The control doesn't stop with Big Pharma ...any other industries will use the same model...Industry Friendly Programming
I don't believe the FCC or any government agency is involved or influencing the decision. My understanding is ABC/Disney decided to cut their losses and remove the problem.
Talk about missing the point. As Denise wrote, the real damage is to the First Amendment protections we are supposed to benefit from. You are so besotted by party politics that you don't acknowledge the current administration's focus on destroying our right to free speech. That's what Kimmel's firing was all about. If you say otherwise you are lying.
Trump's playbook is well known and publicized as Project 2025. Go read it. Right there, plain as day, the plan calls for quashing free speech in the media. Did you miss that?
I will repeat it: you are besotted by party politics (as are so many people) and it has warped your analysis of these events. You will feel shame, in the future, when you look back and see the lack of wisdom in your posts. This country isn't for Democrats alone or Republicans alone. It is for ALL OF US.
Seek not division. That is the mark of a failed heart.
My question is specific to the firing of Kimmel by the corporation he worked for. I have no doubt the government is as nefarious as we have come to believe….however,I don’t understand where the government had a hand it this? If a company can not fire a nasty person for any reason they want,that seems as bad as the terrible censorship we have witnessed over these last years. If I find I don’t like someone who is working for me,it’s my right to fire…
Well ... first off, your belief that you can fire someone at will tells me you don't know employment law. It's not that easy. There needs to be due cause. Kimmel did or did not do that, but his employers chose the time to can him.
Do you think there it's a coincidence: GOP president, GOP Senate, GOP House, GOP Supreme Court (5/9) and Charlie Kirk is a GOP poster boy. You don't get the connection? You don't notice the administration doing similar things, with the intent publicly stated, in the past?
He was already at Pravda--a bit player in our American Pravda, as Ron Unz calls the rotting lamestream media. You know--Oswald was a lone assassin, struggling Cessna pilots did 9/11, Saddam had the nerve gas we sold him, Bill Gates and George Soros are philanthropists, Best Biden Ever!, Putin (not Netanyahu!!!) owns Trump, and Jimmy Kibble is smart and funny.
You don't have a right to lie on public airwaves. You just don't. And a company is not forced to allow you to lie on public airwaves. And when his boss asked Kimmel to apologize, Kimmel refused. Why do you think he is allowed to disobey his boss? This has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with free speech.
Except Obama overturned the laws around lying in media, the propaganda laws, & we are lied to (propagandized) daily in the media. America is the most propagandized nation in the world. And what’s ironic is most folks still watching msm don’t know the extent to which they’re being manipulated & yes, lied to. Daily.
Kimmel, much ado about a real nothing! When TV came on the scene, it was supposedly going to elevate society. It did not live up to the future expectations...It produced a nation of TV addicts who did not have the energy to move from the couch.
Disney can't seem to get anything right over the last fifteen years or so; that's what happens when you let DEI and other certain ideologies take root in an organization. Disney has had a problem with deviants for decades; even in the 1950s, they took no action, all the while claiming to be a creator of family entertainment. Jimmy should have been axed years ago.
Johnny Carson never delved into serious issues, claiming that people wanted to be entertained, not reminded of their daily problems, especially those related to politics. He was correct. No one can touch the King of late-night comedy, Johnny Carson.
Not too long ago, there was a law called the Fairness Act. We should think about bringing that back.
I too remember Carson fondly. But in addition to being funny, he also hosted serious guests for serious discussions. I remember Ayn Rand being on the show, and Brave's AI confirms Rand made three lengthy appearances with Carson in 1967. Carson treated Rand respectfully, while I still remember Barbara Walter's prefacing a Rand interview with a prissy statement to the effect that "the following dreadful views do not represent the views of NBC." Doubt she would have made such a disclaimer before an interview with Fidel Castro. Walters was a real life Lillian Reardon (or worse).
Yes he had some serious guests. But he never did serious jokes in his monologue. His favorite quest was the one with the old farmer. Johnny asked what he considered the most significant change in farming. The farmer said electricity 🥳🥳😭😭
I totally agree. But, This has nothing to do with free speech; it has to do with your contractual obligations. And let the marketplace have at him. He was on his way out just like Joy Reid. Next up is The View.
Agree. I never watched Jimmy Kimmel because I don’t think he’s very funny and I find him offensive, especially the way he spoke about the unvaccinated during the last four years. But I do believe in his first amendment right to free speech. Sooner or later, he would’ve lost his late night slot.
What jimmy Kimmel said was tasteless, but I’m not sure that he needed to be censored. It just perpetuates what we all went through 2020+ and fuels left wing anger.
Besides I kind of like it when they talk themselves into the ground. Natural selection.
What happened to Jimmy Kimmel had been brewing for the past year. He has no protection from his employer for "First Amendment rights", as they have a business to keep profitable. Doesn't matter if what he said is true or false, if his employer is not gaining profit with his show, the business decision is the axe and start growing another tree that will produce value for the company.
John - I am surprised to see you ghostwrite a letter channeling President Trump's more brash and divisive tendencies. Is it wise to call people losers, or any names? Perhaps it would be best for our leaders, - for all of us - to spend more time in contemplation rather than angrily shouting past one another. After all, we create the society we inhabit with each thought, word and deed. You asked what your readers want to hear more of. For my part, it is content that points to our better nature.
I viewed the Leake version of Trump to be less raw and more grammatical than Trump himself. Trump should employ such a writer/editor. But in a world of lawfare and murder, angry words and more are fully justified. When someone's approaching with a raised hatchet, you treat them as a MF'r, not a dear sir, and do your best to kill them before they kill you.
I agree! Asking Jimmy Kimmel to prove his assertion would be in alignment with Charlie Kirk, when he said, “Prove me wrong.” It’s an invitation to discuss and debate, which is far more open-hearted and charitable. Beyond that, in the field of media, we should expect the truth and nothing but the truth, which can also present itself as uncertainty when all the evidence is not fully available.
Pragmatically, too, giving Kimmel the opportunity to back up his assertion, is a smarter move by those who are angry with him and with those who have added to the grief of Charlie Kirk’s murder. Anyone trying to cancel people for their opinions, as obnoxious as they have been, is adding to the turmoil, anger and division. If ‘the right’ wants freedom, and opposes the horrible cancellation by ‘the left,’ then principles need to be adhered to.
How about we follow Charlie’s example and open up discussion, if possible, or at least, speak up about the great benefits of open-hearted debate? That doesn’t mean being weak-kneed about fundamental principles, but being committed to free speech and truly listening to another. When we feel truly heard, we soften and open up to others. I need to do this too!
The focus now is in the wrong place - the focus needs to be on giving Kimmel the chance to back up his claims on media, and if he can’t, he needs to be treated as a spreader of misinformation.
Actually Kimmels remarks were really quite innocuous and in a country with freedom of speech he could have said them with no negative effects on his life. We do not have freedom of speech in American and Charlie Kirks deaths has brought on a major crackdown on what we have left...
That may be but it doesn’t mean a private company, in business to make money, and operating “in the public interest”, has to continue employing an at-will employee who is causing the company and their stock holders to lose money. Bottom line - his free speech ticked off A LOT of people who then complained to the network. He’s a poor “comedian” at best who decided to inflame an already caustic environment. He’s arrogant enough to think he could get away with anything. He showed poor judgement and suffered the consequences.
You highlight the big problem in America with regards to freedom of speech. When all of the venues that people can speak and be heard in, television, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. are privately owned, the owners, who tend towards conservatism, have vast power over who can speak and what they can say.
False flag, I believe! Imo, Kirk was simply "converting" into another bothersome knat for the Trump Chump and/ or Netanyahu's ziofascists, and was squashed. Kimmel's termination by Disney/ ABC because of his Kirk comments, imo, was fraudulent. He was already being wrapped in a trash bag, (years overdue!), and pathetically, Disney latched onto Kirk's murder and Kimmel drivel to secure the bag and toss it.
Truly scarey, also, is that where there never existed, anywhere on the globe, the right to NOT be offended, the great unwashed (uneducated) are hysterically screaming that others be silenced/ censored for offending them with their comments.
Kimmel is not a news show: it is a talk show with opinions and thoughts being shared. If firing for wrongful information is the standard FOX News and others should have been removed years ago. Second, I did not find Kimmel's comments hateful. He simply noted what has already been exposed about the alleged shooter. I am sorry if that disturbs some people but truth is not about making people comfortable but holds up a mirror to challenge us to be better people.
I do agree and support the call to protect free speech which has been getting attacked for years by both Parties. It has reached a really serious level currently and its suppression must be fought or no one will have that civil right at all.
Kimmel asserted the shooter was a MAGA supporter likely because his family is. That’s wrong. Kimmel was trying to damage the movement rather than speak truth. But that has been avoided pattern of his in recent years. Public opinion has shifted toward the right in recent years so Kimmel’s audience has been declining. After two major franchises found adverts pulled he had no sponsors. Bye.
And you think this is worse than Trump carrying on about 'extreme leftists' doing this without any proof. He began to weaponize Kirk's death instantly to promote further divisiveness, fuel anger and hate which can, in this climate, easily turn into more physical violence along with the repression of free speech. Kimmel, as any talk show host, provides opinions. They do not have to be accurate but they do instigate thinking. And as previously said, there was nothing objectional in Kimmel's talk other than people on the Right reject anything other than bending the knee for this new martyr. If mild language gets people so riled up then what about Kirk's vile, hateful talk about anyone or anything he didn't like. If you support his right to such talk, then you must also support Kimmel's right to his perspectives which were not hateful.
There's a lot of evidence from studies of monozygotic twins reared apart and similar studies to suggest that conservatism is substantially heritable. Robinson is from a family of hard-line Mormon Republicans. He needed only one shot to hit his target in the head from a distanceof 200 yards. That suggests he's a skilled marksmen. Does that sound like he's a left winger? He's gay with a transgender boyfriend. JD Vance's sugar daddy, Peter Theil, is gay. Has nobody seen the photos of JD Vance in a pretty dress? Caitlyn Jenner is transgender and supports the GOP. AfD in Germany is led by a German woman in a same sex relationship with a Sri Lankan. They wave Israeli flags at AfD rallies. MTG is pro-Palestine. Is she a left winger? I've yet to see the proof that Robinson was a left winger. He sounds like a typical RINO Republican to me. I expect he's a Mitt Romney supporter and also likes the Cheneys and Adam Kinzinger.
The old nature vs nurture argument: most studies show that environment has the bigger sway with biology only providing possible tendencies towards a condition. When it comes to emotional conditions? Much less evidence for biology controlling. However, the reactionary Mormon family is a very strong clue to how this kid thought. His posts though clearly noted his anger at Kirk's homophobia suggesting this was his motive, not politics. That said their are strong questions about Israel's involvement probably on a subtle level. We do know Kirk was freaked after that meeting with Israel supporters feeling his life was threatened because he refused their money or their paid trip to Israel to recondition his thinking. All of Israel's paid trips for Americans are about conditioning their thinking and ensuring their support for that apartheid genocidal State. I have also heard questions about this kids sharp shooting ability with no information that he ever had training or practice. I would think this would be broadcast loudly to show his expertise and predilection for this kind of action.
That’s wisdom. Let them sink their own ship.
As much as I like that Kimmel was fired, our 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech is definitely more important. He shouldn’t have been fired for his hate speech. He should be fired for not being funny. He’s no comedian. Not funny at all. He should go find a more suitable job.
He wasn’t fired for speaking hatefully. He was fired for telling outright lies that could possibly cause harm to the country. He violated the FCC rules of engagement for broadcast TV, and ABC used that to dump him since his ratings had tanked. 😎
The irony is that Trump didn't fire him, he doesn't have that power. Disney fired him. Any one who knows Disney knows they don't do ANYTHING that Trump wants. They do what THEY want and that is usually anything that goes against what Trump wants.. This has NOTHING to do with Trump, other than using him as a patsy. What a ridiculous bunch of finger pointing.
The first amendment only applies to the government's restriction of speech, religion and association. A private company can fire whomever they please for any reason they please. Kimmel was released because he was a liability to the company. The fact that he and his writers couldn't put together a show that attracts the kind of people that buys the advertisers products, had been the case for quite some time. Add it together, and it's "pack up, here's your box, be gone before lunch..."
This is the insidious thing about an entire media industry run by advertising budgets. The piper plays the tune he is paid to play, and the sheer size of Pfizers Ad budget bears witness. The control doesn't stop with Big Pharma ...any other industries will use the same model...Industry Friendly Programming
Not to mention that the network
gave him the option of apologizing. He apparently refused to do that and said he would double down if he went back on the air. THEN, he was suspended.
Of course. The problem is the “government “( FCC was it?) got involved,right? Isn’t that the problem/ debate here?
I don't believe the FCC or any government agency is involved or influencing the decision. My understanding is ABC/Disney decided to cut their losses and remove the problem.
Well,then,I don’t see what the hoopla about “free speech “ is all about.
A private company can fire or hire,whoever they want..🤷🏻♀️
And the media obfuscates the truth, which is what the "comedian" did.
Remember when Comedy Central grew quickly in popularity.
Colbert took his humor to the one side of politics to deploy jokes to young minds.
Stewart took the opposing party to counter like this was a comedy tennis match.
It's all theater and who can punch the applause meter better for late night big bucks.
Kimmel does not have anywhere the brilliance of Stewart nor Colbert. Never will either.
and losing them 40 million dollars
John Leake, should Peter and Nick get rid of you?
Talk about missing the point. As Denise wrote, the real damage is to the First Amendment protections we are supposed to benefit from. You are so besotted by party politics that you don't acknowledge the current administration's focus on destroying our right to free speech. That's what Kimmel's firing was all about. If you say otherwise you are lying.
Trump's playbook is well known and publicized as Project 2025. Go read it. Right there, plain as day, the plan calls for quashing free speech in the media. Did you miss that?
I will repeat it: you are besotted by party politics (as are so many people) and it has warped your analysis of these events. You will feel shame, in the future, when you look back and see the lack of wisdom in your posts. This country isn't for Democrats alone or Republicans alone. It is for ALL OF US.
Seek not division. That is the mark of a failed heart.
How was the government involved? Thank you.
As I stated above, go read Project 2025.
My question is specific to the firing of Kimmel by the corporation he worked for. I have no doubt the government is as nefarious as we have come to believe….however,I don’t understand where the government had a hand it this? If a company can not fire a nasty person for any reason they want,that seems as bad as the terrible censorship we have witnessed over these last years. If I find I don’t like someone who is working for me,it’s my right to fire…
Well ... first off, your belief that you can fire someone at will tells me you don't know employment law. It's not that easy. There needs to be due cause. Kimmel did or did not do that, but his employers chose the time to can him.
Do you think there it's a coincidence: GOP president, GOP Senate, GOP House, GOP Supreme Court (5/9) and Charlie Kirk is a GOP poster boy. You don't get the connection? You don't notice the administration doing similar things, with the intent publicly stated, in the past?
Connect the dots. Read Project 2025.
Pravda would be a great fit.
He was already at Pravda--a bit player in our American Pravda, as Ron Unz calls the rotting lamestream media. You know--Oswald was a lone assassin, struggling Cessna pilots did 9/11, Saddam had the nerve gas we sold him, Bill Gates and George Soros are philanthropists, Best Biden Ever!, Putin (not Netanyahu!!!) owns Trump, and Jimmy Kibble is smart and funny.
You don't have a right to lie on public airwaves. You just don't. And a company is not forced to allow you to lie on public airwaves. And when his boss asked Kimmel to apologize, Kimmel refused. Why do you think he is allowed to disobey his boss? This has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with free speech.
Except Obama overturned the laws around lying in media, the propaganda laws, & we are lied to (propagandized) daily in the media. America is the most propagandized nation in the world. And what’s ironic is most folks still watching msm don’t know the extent to which they’re being manipulated & yes, lied to. Daily.
One of the most annoying things about this is all the attention that third- rate performer is getting.
Kimmel, much ado about a real nothing! When TV came on the scene, it was supposedly going to elevate society. It did not live up to the future expectations...It produced a nation of TV addicts who did not have the energy to move from the couch.
YES! It sickens me to see him getting so much attention! He’s nothing but an arrogant narcissist. The sooner he gets fired the better.
And that msnbc guy who got fired TOTALLY agrees😂
A third-rate performer who was Chuck Schumer's mouthpiece. Imagine being that low--worse than whatever furry porn is.
Disney can't seem to get anything right over the last fifteen years or so; that's what happens when you let DEI and other certain ideologies take root in an organization. Disney has had a problem with deviants for decades; even in the 1950s, they took no action, all the while claiming to be a creator of family entertainment. Jimmy should have been axed years ago.
Johnny Carson never delved into serious issues, claiming that people wanted to be entertained, not reminded of their daily problems, especially those related to politics. He was correct. No one can touch the King of late-night comedy, Johnny Carson.
Not too long ago, there was a law called the Fairness Act. We should think about bringing that back.
I still watch Carson re-runs. They're still entertaining, some 50 years old.
HA, me too.
I too remember Carson fondly. But in addition to being funny, he also hosted serious guests for serious discussions. I remember Ayn Rand being on the show, and Brave's AI confirms Rand made three lengthy appearances with Carson in 1967. Carson treated Rand respectfully, while I still remember Barbara Walter's prefacing a Rand interview with a prissy statement to the effect that "the following dreadful views do not represent the views of NBC." Doubt she would have made such a disclaimer before an interview with Fidel Castro. Walters was a real life Lillian Reardon (or worse).
Yes he had some serious guests. But he never did serious jokes in his monologue. His favorite quest was the one with the old farmer. Johnny asked what he considered the most significant change in farming. The farmer said electricity 🥳🥳😭😭
I totally agree. But, This has nothing to do with free speech; it has to do with your contractual obligations. And let the marketplace have at him. He was on his way out just like Joy Reid. Next up is The View.
Agree. I never watched Jimmy Kimmel because I don’t think he’s very funny and I find him offensive, especially the way he spoke about the unvaccinated during the last four years. But I do believe in his first amendment right to free speech. Sooner or later, he would’ve lost his late night slot.
Looks like the real late night "WHEEZY" got his due and his rejection notice.
His arrogance was his bread and butter giant contract prize.
Hard to imagine what his real home life was, and towards others.
"Jimmy Kimmel was a sinking ship. It's a mistake to give ABC "political pressure" cover for firing him."
Indeed, it was. Excellent point.
What jimmy Kimmel said was tasteless, but I’m not sure that he needed to be censored. It just perpetuates what we all went through 2020+ and fuels left wing anger.
Besides I kind of like it when they talk themselves into the ground. Natural selection.
MSM scored another coup, using the pretext of firing Kimmel for his words, thus furthering divisiveness in our nation.
Great suggestion, the double-edged sword.
What happened to Jimmy Kimmel had been brewing for the past year. He has no protection from his employer for "First Amendment rights", as they have a business to keep profitable. Doesn't matter if what he said is true or false, if his employer is not gaining profit with his show, the business decision is the axe and start growing another tree that will produce value for the company.
John - I am surprised to see you ghostwrite a letter channeling President Trump's more brash and divisive tendencies. Is it wise to call people losers, or any names? Perhaps it would be best for our leaders, - for all of us - to spend more time in contemplation rather than angrily shouting past one another. After all, we create the society we inhabit with each thought, word and deed. You asked what your readers want to hear more of. For my part, it is content that points to our better nature.
I viewed the Leake version of Trump to be less raw and more grammatical than Trump himself. Trump should employ such a writer/editor. But in a world of lawfare and murder, angry words and more are fully justified. When someone's approaching with a raised hatchet, you treat them as a MF'r, not a dear sir, and do your best to kill them before they kill you.
I also find Leake divisive and am wondering what right he has to speak on behalf of Dr McCullough.
The Deep state want a civil war in the US.
Totally agree.
I agree! Asking Jimmy Kimmel to prove his assertion would be in alignment with Charlie Kirk, when he said, “Prove me wrong.” It’s an invitation to discuss and debate, which is far more open-hearted and charitable. Beyond that, in the field of media, we should expect the truth and nothing but the truth, which can also present itself as uncertainty when all the evidence is not fully available.
Pragmatically, too, giving Kimmel the opportunity to back up his assertion, is a smarter move by those who are angry with him and with those who have added to the grief of Charlie Kirk’s murder. Anyone trying to cancel people for their opinions, as obnoxious as they have been, is adding to the turmoil, anger and division. If ‘the right’ wants freedom, and opposes the horrible cancellation by ‘the left,’ then principles need to be adhered to.
How about we follow Charlie’s example and open up discussion, if possible, or at least, speak up about the great benefits of open-hearted debate? That doesn’t mean being weak-kneed about fundamental principles, but being committed to free speech and truly listening to another. When we feel truly heard, we soften and open up to others. I need to do this too!
The focus now is in the wrong place - the focus needs to be on giving Kimmel the chance to back up his claims on media, and if he can’t, he needs to be treated as a spreader of misinformation.
Actually Kimmels remarks were really quite innocuous and in a country with freedom of speech he could have said them with no negative effects on his life. We do not have freedom of speech in American and Charlie Kirks deaths has brought on a major crackdown on what we have left...
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/assaults-on-free-speech-go-into-hyperdrive
They weren't "innocuous". What Kimmel said was a LIE.
But his lies went against the public interest and were clearly meant to cause division. I hope he gets fired.
Lies are protected under the first amendment.
That may be but it doesn’t mean a private company, in business to make money, and operating “in the public interest”, has to continue employing an at-will employee who is causing the company and their stock holders to lose money. Bottom line - his free speech ticked off A LOT of people who then complained to the network. He’s a poor “comedian” at best who decided to inflame an already caustic environment. He’s arrogant enough to think he could get away with anything. He showed poor judgement and suffered the consequences.
You highlight the big problem in America with regards to freedom of speech. When all of the venues that people can speak and be heard in, television, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. are privately owned, the owners, who tend towards conservatism, have vast power over who can speak and what they can say.
They are a violation of FCC statutes.
We need to get rid of everyone from the media then.
. . . uuuuuhhhhh,
OK.
His comments had nothing to do with free speech, nor were they "innocuous". He knew the FTC rules and he signed a contract.
False flag, I believe! Imo, Kirk was simply "converting" into another bothersome knat for the Trump Chump and/ or Netanyahu's ziofascists, and was squashed. Kimmel's termination by Disney/ ABC because of his Kirk comments, imo, was fraudulent. He was already being wrapped in a trash bag, (years overdue!), and pathetically, Disney latched onto Kirk's murder and Kimmel drivel to secure the bag and toss it.
Truly scarey, also, is that where there never existed, anywhere on the globe, the right to NOT be offended, the great unwashed (uneducated) are hysterically screaming that others be silenced/ censored for offending them with their comments.
John Leake is so right!
Kimmel is not a news show: it is a talk show with opinions and thoughts being shared. If firing for wrongful information is the standard FOX News and others should have been removed years ago. Second, I did not find Kimmel's comments hateful. He simply noted what has already been exposed about the alleged shooter. I am sorry if that disturbs some people but truth is not about making people comfortable but holds up a mirror to challenge us to be better people.
I do agree and support the call to protect free speech which has been getting attacked for years by both Parties. It has reached a really serious level currently and its suppression must be fought or no one will have that civil right at all.
Kimmel asserted the shooter was a MAGA supporter likely because his family is. That’s wrong. Kimmel was trying to damage the movement rather than speak truth. But that has been avoided pattern of his in recent years. Public opinion has shifted toward the right in recent years so Kimmel’s audience has been declining. After two major franchises found adverts pulled he had no sponsors. Bye.
And you think this is worse than Trump carrying on about 'extreme leftists' doing this without any proof. He began to weaponize Kirk's death instantly to promote further divisiveness, fuel anger and hate which can, in this climate, easily turn into more physical violence along with the repression of free speech. Kimmel, as any talk show host, provides opinions. They do not have to be accurate but they do instigate thinking. And as previously said, there was nothing objectional in Kimmel's talk other than people on the Right reject anything other than bending the knee for this new martyr. If mild language gets people so riled up then what about Kirk's vile, hateful talk about anyone or anything he didn't like. If you support his right to such talk, then you must also support Kimmel's right to his perspectives which were not hateful.
There's a lot of evidence from studies of monozygotic twins reared apart and similar studies to suggest that conservatism is substantially heritable. Robinson is from a family of hard-line Mormon Republicans. He needed only one shot to hit his target in the head from a distanceof 200 yards. That suggests he's a skilled marksmen. Does that sound like he's a left winger? He's gay with a transgender boyfriend. JD Vance's sugar daddy, Peter Theil, is gay. Has nobody seen the photos of JD Vance in a pretty dress? Caitlyn Jenner is transgender and supports the GOP. AfD in Germany is led by a German woman in a same sex relationship with a Sri Lankan. They wave Israeli flags at AfD rallies. MTG is pro-Palestine. Is she a left winger? I've yet to see the proof that Robinson was a left winger. He sounds like a typical RINO Republican to me. I expect he's a Mitt Romney supporter and also likes the Cheneys and Adam Kinzinger.
The old nature vs nurture argument: most studies show that environment has the bigger sway with biology only providing possible tendencies towards a condition. When it comes to emotional conditions? Much less evidence for biology controlling. However, the reactionary Mormon family is a very strong clue to how this kid thought. His posts though clearly noted his anger at Kirk's homophobia suggesting this was his motive, not politics. That said their are strong questions about Israel's involvement probably on a subtle level. We do know Kirk was freaked after that meeting with Israel supporters feeling his life was threatened because he refused their money or their paid trip to Israel to recondition his thinking. All of Israel's paid trips for Americans are about conditioning their thinking and ensuring their support for that apartheid genocidal State. I have also heard questions about this kids sharp shooting ability with no information that he ever had training or practice. I would think this would be broadcast loudly to show his expertise and predilection for this kind of action.