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Carol Taylor's avatar

Take a moment to fully appreciate what’s happening. John Bolton isn’t some minor staffer— he’s a former National Security Advisor and UN Ambassador. The FBI has never before raided the home of a former national security chief on suspicion of mishandling classified material. That’s a first. And, deliciously ironically, Bolton openly endorsed investigations into Trump’s retention of classified records. Now, Bolton is in the exact same crosshairs

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Exactly, John Bolton reaped what he supported, it came back big time. There could be no one more worthy of this FBI action than John Bolton. He is one of the big wigs who sit comfortably behind their desks...and send young servicemen into danger. Yet, he himself didn't feel that he should serve in the military and die in some rice paddy. Wow! Bolton was totally dishonorable and has no character.

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Carol Taylor's avatar

"Knowledge is Golden" Karma feels so good!

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Jo Standifer's avatar

AMEN!

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Why do NeverTrumper's, MAGA Haters, D's, Rino's, MSM use the term "Retribution" as a pejorative?

Here's what the legal dictionary Justia defines retribution as:

https://dictionary.justia.com/retribution

"A form of punishment given to an offender with the aim to repay or seek revenge for the wrongdoing they committed"

Webster's:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retribution

"recompense, reward;

the dispensing or receiving of reward or punishment especially in the hereafter;

something given or exacted in recompense, especially punishment"

Cambridge:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/retribution

"deserved and severe punishment"

This is not negative. This is justice. Both in man's law and in moral law. Message to *Real* R's, MAGA supporters, non-partisan supporters of constitutional law, law that truly is what the blindfolded Lady Liberty is meant to symbolize. Equal justice under the law. Retribution to right the wrongs of injustice. Embrace the term. Own it. Proclaim it loudly and proudly: Retribution is lawful justice. And it's coming for the offenders.

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CherylBray's avatar

Retribution is not what this is about

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Disagree. The reason I led with the Justia link defining Retribution is that it IS Justice. It is a both a motivation for prosecution and tool for punishment that Justice itself is largely founded upon.

We don't prosecute crimes against individuals today only because there is a statute on the books that criminalizes certain acts without regard for the victims of those acts. It is because those victims have suffered injury, harm from those acts that laws are passed and enforced. Justice is a stand-in for vigilantism; without lawful Retribution victims are likely to take justice into their own hands.

Retribution = Justice. And the only reason you would say it's not what this is about is because the linguistic propagandists have succeeded in making you think Retribution is a dirty word, and beneath the dignity of our Justice system. It is, in fact, part and parcel of our Justice system. The basis of most laws, civil and criminal. My comment is intended to inspire readers like you to not run from the word because the linguistic propagandists have told you otherwise.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Similarly, "Russian Collusion" is a product of linguistic propagandists. "Collusion" is not a crime with respect to statecraft. Were it so then the US would be guilty of more than a century of crimes colluding with potential leaders of foreign nations. Were it so then the UK, France, Italy, UN, China, MSM, #NeverTrumpers all were/are criminals for colluding with Hillary/Biden/Kamala's campaigns. "Collusion" only became thought of as a crime when the linguistic propagandists attached "Russian" to the front of it and (falsely) bludgeoned Trump with it as though it was a crime. Ignoring their own collusion with his opponents.

This is how mind poison is injected into the Body Politic, take words that are legitimate and make them toxic, infecting the minds of the public that certain non-criminal acts are criminal - when they apply to a disfavored individual or idea. We must reject these mind poisons. And reclaim the words to hold their rightful place, not allow them to be arbitrarily and capriciously toxified against disfavored people.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

but yet, I believe, you missed something very important: Deterrence.

This is also the reason I would provide for heavy and extensive required sentence for egregious crimes to individuals, specially children and women.

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CherylBray's avatar

Ok i hear you. I love words and their meanings and am always open to learning .

However you have now won the battle and lost the war because retribution is not understood as you describe. Perception is reality.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

This is not losing a war. This is reclaiming perception. Which takes education. And more people who understand the fight for linguistics is necessary to winning the war. When our opponents toxify language and we self-censor, give in to the ideas their mind poison spreads we lose; we fight on a terrain, battlefield of their design. Any short-term gain from avoiding truthful definitions of words in order to not offend, challenge perceptions is lost over the long term.

Noam Chomsky. Marxist revolutionary for generations of Marxists, held in high esteem among radical leftists for a half-century. Chose to become a professor of linguistics. Not an accident.

We must win the battle of words, linguistics, not cede an inch of language to their control; they reappropriate and redefine words with the intention of making them fit their arbitrary needs and agendas. Putting us at disadvantage. Because we so easily shy from the fight over language, trying to not offend, avoid negative perceptions. It's our job to educate what words really mean. This shifts the battlefield for truth back to our terrain. Where we prevail.

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John's avatar

You know him well I presume??

You would go to war then, time to help in Ukraine 👍🏽

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Did you read this Focal Point article and see what it said? It made it very clear to me, what John Bolton was about...no damn good!

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AABA's avatar

Maga republican trumpers dystopia cult

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

Yeah, what about DJT, who did the EXACT same thing?

Oh no, he can do no wrong. He had a RIGHT to take those files, boxes and boxes of them, that was okay in double standard land.

You complain about Bolton, and act as if he's naughty for stealing docs? That's what DJT did, and you make excuses. You have no common decency.

DJT has to go onto the junk pile. He's as bad as anyone can get.

Are you going to support him when he goes full fascist and calls out the Nat'l Guard on law abiding citizens? Well, guess what? He's already doing it. Theyre called ICE and they are wearing masks and rampaging like thugs.

Welcome to Trump's America, the land of fascism.

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William's avatar

Seriously? Are you that intentionally ignorant of Constitutional law? Clearly you prove that.

Presidents do have the right to declassify certain documents. He had every legal right.

However, your fantasy charlatan Brandon was in direct violation of law vis a vis stealing classified documents as a feckless senator and VP.

Think obummer/brandon complicity with fbi, doj.

Don’t continue to display your profound ignorance here, please. I know an antifa 🐜 riot beating up old religious women awaits your lemming intelligence.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Doc must've been sleeping under Biden and under D (and Rino) Governors and Mayors around the nation from 2020-2024. Any fascism in the land that Trump may take us down is down a path blazed then, it was normalized, demanded by the same people Doc seems to think are paragons of anti-fascist freedom. Maybe Doc takes some tranquillizers and goes back to sleep the next four-five years, then wake up to warn us about all the fascism the Trump term brought about that is worse than his imaginary defenders of freedom are responsible for?

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BigT's avatar

How interesting. Your paragraph is taken verbatim from Jeff Childers’s post today.

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Dave Schultz's avatar

Thought the same thing.

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CherylBray's avatar

It's hard not to celebrate but we all should refrain from any attempt to frame this as tit for tat. All of the news headlines are framing this act as Trump's revenge or Trump getting back at his enemies.

A higher standard must be maintained.

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Lon Guyland's avatar

Channeling Jeff Childers?

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Larry Bushard's avatar

Except I suspect he had no classified documents. If he had any, you can bet your sweet ass we would have heard about upit by now. In any case, karma is a bitch!

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xenonman's avatar

Hope the scumbag loses his security clearance as well!

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Bill Bradford's avatar

Trump not only revoked Bolton's security clearance, but also his personal security detail....

Sorry I don't have exact details handy, but you can find the info easily enough....

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xenonman's avatar

That's good to know!

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AABA's avatar

WHAT? about maga trump security clearance? Took CLASSIFIED FILES and hid them at MAR A MARGO

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KarlM Alias's avatar

Bolton wasn't President.

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AABA's avatar

I know. Maga republican trumpers are the CRIMINALS now. Dystopia cult

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srichard111's avatar

What goes around, comes back around, and I am glad

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

So is the Chump gonna be prosecuted for the same crime?

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Charles E Robacker's avatar

The swamp is being dismantled. God bless and protect DJT.

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Steve Miller's avatar

In Mr. Bolton’s defense, he felt the Vietnam War had no real purpose, whereas we had to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan to defend, um, I mean to preserve, you know, the thing…

I’ll get back to you.

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William's avatar

??????????

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AG Fairfield's avatar

Steve is being sarcastic

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Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH's avatar

Actually, we know that the FBI raided Bolton's home...BUT you cannot deduce what they have found (or not), can you?

I have no interest in defending Bolton...but I don't like it when people are accused of something without evidence (yet). C'mon, you could have acknowledged this!

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William's avatar

Seriously, your response to trump raid/ Russia hoax?

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TR Lingo's avatar

Agreed. For all the whining about “lawfare” I don’t see that this is anything but.

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Nat's avatar

Given that this didn't happen on day one, I think we can be confident they've done their homework. Obama, Hillary et al have also been named don't forget. They are dotting the i's

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CB's avatar
5hEdited

Charges against Bolton, if any, haven't been announced, but I'd say whether a prosecution is lawfare or not depends on the evidence and the integrity, or lack thereof, of the prosecutors. Rumor is that Bolton hid and retained intelligence documents showing there was no Trump-Russia collusion. Trump, as president, had the ability to de-classify any document he chose. Bolton (like VP Biden) did not. Trump, of course, has a history of poor personnel decisions, and hiring Bolton was one of his worst.

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TR Lingo's avatar

Fair point, but I’d still give it better than even odds that it’s largely performative and won’t pass muster with a jury if it even gets that far.

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CB's avatar

Agree, especially if the case is brought in Maryland or DC. Real lawfare experts always pick a friendly jurisdiction

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

Not quite instant karma, but still karma nevertheless.

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

You obviously don't know how karma works, and why.

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vague life-form's avatar

Bingo your spot on with Bolton dying in the rice paddy. My college roommate and I had deferments as many of our friends, but we all went and enlisted to go to Vietnam.

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Paul's avatar

List is long of traitors

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Paul's avatar

Arrest Opra and Stacy Abrams

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BassGod's avatar

I am no Bolton fan - he’s is despicable. But why fight a war with no mission. Joining a bank security force to protect the riches of the wealthy is preposterous. Joining a WMD force to shoot brown and Balck people who can’t protect themselves is even worse. Going to the other side of the earth to steal the resources of others is not good policy. How about leaving everyone else alone and work on domestic production as opposed to killing and injuring others in the name of democracy which is a word not to be found in the Bill of Rights. Try peace for a change… Americas entire history is war and there is nothing noble connected with mass murder.

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suannee's avatar

And the consequences? Probably none.

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sandy's avatar

If Bolton STILL had any incriminating evidence stored at his home, he is an arrogant idiot.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Why do NeverTrumper's, MAGA Haters, D's, Rino's, MSM use the term "Retribution" as a pejorative?

Here's what the legal dictionary Justia defines retribution as:

https://dictionary.justia.com/retribution

"A form of punishment given to an offender with the aim to repay or seek revenge for the wrongdoing they committed"

Webster's:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retribution

"recompense, reward;

the dispensing or receiving of reward or punishment especially in the hereafter;

something given or exacted in recompense, especially punishment;

Cambridge:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/retribution

"deserved and severe punishment"

This is not negative. This is justice. Both in man's law and in moral law. Message to *Real* R's, MAGA supporters, non-partisan supporters of constitutional law, law that truly is what the blindfolded Lady Liberty is meant to symbolize. Equal justice under the law. Retribution to right the wrongs of injustice. Embrace the term. Own it. Proclaim it loudly and proudly: Retribution is lawful justice. And it's coming for the offenders.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

I met him years ago, never liked him. You're right, an absolute neo-con war hawk. Disgusting human being.

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albert venezio's avatar

Trump had 5 deferments too!

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