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Carol Taylor's avatar

Take a moment to fully appreciate what’s happening. John Bolton isn’t some minor staffer— he’s a former National Security Advisor and UN Ambassador. The FBI has never before raided the home of a former national security chief on suspicion of mishandling classified material. That’s a first. And, deliciously ironically, Bolton openly endorsed investigations into Trump’s retention of classified records. Now, Bolton is in the exact same crosshairs

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Exactly, John Bolton reaped what he supported, it came back big time. There could be no one more worthy of this FBI action than John Bolton. He is one of the big wigs who sit comfortably behind their desks...and send young servicemen into danger. Yet, he himself didn't feel that he should serve in the military and die in some rice paddy. Wow! Bolton was totally dishonorable and has no character.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Why do NeverTrumper's, MAGA Haters, D's, Rino's, MSM use the term "Retribution" as a pejorative?

Here's what the legal dictionary Justia defines retribution as:

https://dictionary.justia.com/retribution

"A form of punishment given to an offender with the aim to repay or seek revenge for the wrongdoing they committed"

Webster's:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retribution

"recompense, reward;

the dispensing or receiving of reward or punishment especially in the hereafter;

something given or exacted in recompense, especially punishment"

Cambridge:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/retribution

"deserved and severe punishment"

This is not negative. This is justice. Both in man's law and in moral law. Message to *Real* R's, MAGA supporters, non-partisan supporters of constitutional law, law that truly is what the blindfolded Lady Liberty is meant to symbolize. Equal justice under the law. Retribution to right the wrongs of injustice. Embrace the term. Own it. Proclaim it loudly and proudly: Retribution is lawful justice. And it's coming for the offenders.

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CherylBray's avatar

Retribution is not what this is about

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Disagree. The reason I led with the Justia link defining Retribution is that it IS Justice. It is a both a motivation for prosecution and tool for punishment that Justice itself is largely founded upon.

We don't prosecute crimes against individuals today only because there is a statute on the books that criminalizes certain acts without regard for the victims of those acts. It is because those victims have suffered injury, harm from those acts that laws are passed and enforced. Justice is a stand-in for vigilantism; without lawful Retribution victims are likely to take justice into their own hands.

Retribution = Justice. And the only reason you would say it's not what this is about is because the linguistic propagandists have succeeded in making you think Retribution is a dirty word, and beneath the dignity of our Justice system. It is, in fact, part and parcel of our Justice system. The basis of most laws, civil and criminal. My comment is intended to inspire readers like you to not run from the word because the linguistic propagandists have told you otherwise.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Similarly, "Russian Collusion" is a product of linguistic propagandists. "Collusion" is not a crime with respect to statecraft. Were it so then the US would be guilty of more than a century of crimes colluding with potential leaders of foreign nations. Were it so then the UK, France, Italy, UN, China, MSM, #NeverTrumpers all were/are criminals for colluding with Hillary/Biden/Kamala's campaigns. "Collusion" only became thought of as a crime when the linguistic propagandists attached "Russian" to the front of it and (falsely) bludgeoned Trump with it as though it was a crime. Ignoring their own collusion with his opponents.

This is how mind poison is injected into the Body Politic, take words that are legitimate and make them toxic, infecting the minds of the public that certain non-criminal acts are criminal - when they apply to a disfavored individual or idea. We must reject these mind poisons. And reclaim the words to hold their rightful place, not allow them to be arbitrarily and capriciously toxified against disfavored people.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

but yet, I believe, you missed something very important: Deterrence.

This is also the reason I would provide for heavy and extensive required sentence for egregious crimes to individuals, specially children and women.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

That is true, also. Remember the reason the Trump/MAGA-hating prosecutors and judges justified their horrible and disparate treatment, deprivation of rights, unfair trials, obvious entrapment and harsh sentences greater than murderers and child rapists received in the very same courts was to act as a 'deterrence' to future protests of rigged elections. Deterrence is most certainly a part of law, hand-in-hand with Retribution. And those who perverted the justice system with injustice must face penalties for both Retribution and Deterrence.

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CherylBray's avatar

Ok i hear you. I love words and their meanings and am always open to learning .

However you have now won the battle and lost the war because retribution is not understood as you describe. Perception is reality.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

This is not losing a war. This is reclaiming perception. Which takes education. And more people who understand the fight for linguistics is necessary to winning the war. When our opponents toxify language and we self-censor, give in to the ideas their mind poison spreads we lose; we fight on a terrain, battlefield of their design. Any short-term gain from avoiding truthful definitions of words in order to not offend, challenge perceptions is lost over the long term.

Noam Chomsky. Marxist revolutionary for generations of Marxists, held in high esteem among radical leftists for a half-century. Chose to become a professor of linguistics. Not an accident.

We must win the battle of words, linguistics, not cede an inch of language to their control; they reappropriate and redefine words with the intention of making them fit their arbitrary needs and agendas. Putting us at disadvantage. Because we so easily shy from the fight over language, trying to not offend, avoid negative perceptions. It's our job to educate what words really mean. This shifts the battlefield for truth back to our terrain. Where we prevail.

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Carol Taylor's avatar

"Knowledge is Golden" Karma feels so good!

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Jo Standifer's avatar

AMEN!

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John's avatar

You know him well I presume??

You would go to war then, time to help in Ukraine 👍🏽

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Did you read this Focal Point article and see what it said? It made it very clear to me, what John Bolton was about...no damn good!

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AABA's avatar

Maga republican trumpers dystopia cult

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

Yeah, what about DJT, who did the EXACT same thing?

Oh no, he can do no wrong. He had a RIGHT to take those files, boxes and boxes of them, that was okay in double standard land.

You complain about Bolton, and act as if he's naughty for stealing docs? That's what DJT did, and you make excuses. You have no common decency.

DJT has to go onto the junk pile. He's as bad as anyone can get.

Are you going to support him when he goes full fascist and calls out the Nat'l Guard on law abiding citizens? Well, guess what? He's already doing it. Theyre called ICE and they are wearing masks and rampaging like thugs.

Welcome to Trump's America, the land of fascism.

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William's avatar

Seriously? Are you that intentionally ignorant of Constitutional law? Clearly you prove that.

Presidents do have the right to declassify certain documents. He had every legal right.

However, your fantasy charlatan Brandon was in direct violation of law vis a vis stealing classified documents as a feckless senator and VP.

Think obummer/brandon complicity with fbi, doj.

Don’t continue to display your profound ignorance here, please. I know an antifa 🐜 riot beating up old religious women awaits your lemming intelligence.

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Dee's avatar

There again the media redefining not only terms but our constitution and the law!

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Doc must've been sleeping under Biden and under D (and Rino) Governors and Mayors around the nation from 2020-2024. Any fascism in the land that Trump may take us down is down a path blazed then, it was normalized, demanded by the same people Doc seems to think are paragons of anti-fascist freedom. Maybe Doc takes some tranquillizers and goes back to sleep the next four-five years, then wake up to warn us about all the fascism the Trump term brought about that is worse than his imaginary defenders of freedom are responsible for?

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

Yes yes, insult he who posts. Do as your hero does, trash everyone who doesn't agree with him.

You're not as bad as he is. Never will be. Be glad for that.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Note to other readers: Doc never addressed what the real tyrants did. Because he can't defend it. And then calls pointing out the actual fascism his type of ruler imposes on free people a personal insult. I suppose to someone who cheered on the fascist tyrants demanding we submit to slave masks, imposed and normalized anti-social behavior and deprived people of the sanctity of their own bodily autonomy by mandating injections of dangerous experimental biotechnology as their idea of democratic freedom, turning the word on its head and declaring those who opposed real tyranny as "selfish freeDum" supporters would be staying in form with Doc's comment.

Doc is a fascist who supports totalitarianism. And engages in what's known as 'projection' on Trump and his supporters. He hates himself for who he knows he is. And needs to blame the other to manage his own guilty conscience. Everything Doc says Trump and MAGA are is an admission of his guilt, a self-description. Doc should see a shrink, his mental health is poor. Very poor. Or maybe he'd welcome a MAiD call?

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

What an absolutely ridiculous post.

I've been fighting the shots since 2020.

You're a newbie at this stuff. You think Operation Warp Speed was a Biden initiative? Oh no, Trump thinks that's one of his greatest accomplishments. We know the shots are murderous. Who thinks they're great? DJT.

You're all tied up in your hate for the Democrats. That's exactly how the Deep State wants you to feel, hateful and suspicious of everyone who doesn't agree with every shred of your thinking on T-rump and everything else. The reality is that the Deep State assholes don't suffer when you think and act that way. Only you suffer.

I don't suffer. Your post is ill advised and thoughtless.

I'd say, try harder, but I don't think that will result in a better posting that makes more sense.

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William's avatar

Is that not the definition of your spurious, ignorant sratements of personal attack.? Take your little ball (figurative and clearly literal) go home and cry to momma brandy.

You exhaust people with intelligence!!

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HardeeHo's avatar

Not sure Trump had much to do about Bolton. Bolton’s real issue is his book published without various approvals. It contains classified info.

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Aly Jaenicke's avatar

Correction, illegals are not citizens.

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BigT's avatar

How interesting. Your paragraph is taken verbatim from Jeff Childers’s post today.

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Dave Schultz's avatar

Thought the same thing.

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CherylBray's avatar

It's hard not to celebrate but we all should refrain from any attempt to frame this as tit for tat. All of the news headlines are framing this act as Trump's revenge or Trump getting back at his enemies.

A higher standard must be maintained.

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Lon Guyland's avatar

Channeling Jeff Childers?

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Larry Bushard's avatar

Except I suspect he had no classified documents. If he had any, you can bet your sweet ass we would have heard about upit by now. In any case, karma is a bitch!

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xenonman's avatar

Hope the scumbag loses his security clearance as well!

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Bill Bradford's avatar

Trump not only revoked Bolton's security clearance, but also his personal security detail....

Sorry I don't have exact details handy, but you can find the info easily enough....

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xenonman's avatar

That's good to know!

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Sam Mayer's avatar

It happened day one.

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Cheryl's avatar

Needs to lose more than that

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AABA's avatar

WHAT? about maga trump security clearance? Took CLASSIFIED FILES and hid them at MAR A MARGO

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VictorDianne Watson's avatar

What you don’t seem to understand is the President has the right to declassify and keep documents. Bolton was not president. Therefore, he had no right to keep classified documents. Besides Trump was exonerated on that charge as was Biden.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Presidents don’t have security clearances. The position grants access to most stuff. But Presidents rarely are aware of many comported programs because too many.

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KarlM Alias's avatar

Bolton wasn't President.

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AABA's avatar

I know. Maga republican trumpers are the CRIMINALS now. Dystopia cult

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srichard111's avatar

What goes around, comes back around, and I am glad

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

So is the Chump gonna be prosecuted for the same crime?

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srichard111's avatar

If he's done wrong, it will.

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Charles E Robacker's avatar

The swamp is being dismantled. God bless and protect DJT.

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Steve Miller's avatar

In Mr. Bolton’s defense, he felt the Vietnam War had no real purpose, whereas we had to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan to defend, um, I mean to preserve, you know, the thing…

I’ll get back to you.

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VictorDianne Watson's avatar

Most of these wars are purposeless!!

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William's avatar

??????????

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AG Fairfield's avatar

Steve is being sarcastic

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William's avatar

I understand that, AG. Similarly, Bolton the traitorous don’t only serves the soulless democrat masters he licks the boots of (and other unsavory parts of).

I wonder if those who decry all “wars” also decry the billions Biden has invested in saving his apish gulag cuck shellinsky (intentional). And the fact that we baited Putin into war (I am not excusing his decision) for resources lusted after.??

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vague life-form's avatar

Bingo your spot on with Bolton dying in the rice paddy. My college roommate and I had deferments as many of our friends, but we all went and enlisted to go to Vietnam.

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BassGod's avatar

I am no Bolton fan - he’s is despicable. But why fight a war with no mission. Joining a bank security force to protect the riches of the wealthy is preposterous. Joining a WMD force to shoot brown and Balck people who can’t protect themselves is even worse. Going to the other side of the earth to steal the resources of others is not good policy. How about leaving everyone else alone and work on domestic production as opposed to killing and injuring others in the name of democracy which is a word not to be found in the Bill of Rights. Try peace for a change… Americas entire history is war and there is nothing noble connected with mass murder.

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Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH's avatar

Actually, we know that the FBI raided Bolton's home...BUT you cannot deduce what they have found (or not), can you?

I have no interest in defending Bolton...but I don't like it when people are accused of something without evidence (yet). C'mon, you could have acknowledged this!

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William's avatar

Seriously, your response to trump raid/ Russia hoax?

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TR Lingo's avatar

Agreed. For all the whining about “lawfare” I don’t see that this is anything but.

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Nat's avatar

Given that this didn't happen on day one, I think we can be confident they've done their homework. Obama, Hillary et al have also been named don't forget. They are dotting the i's

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CB's avatar
Aug 22Edited

Charges against Bolton, if any, haven't been announced, but I'd say whether a prosecution is lawfare or not depends on the evidence and the integrity, or lack thereof, of the prosecutors. Rumor is that Bolton hid and retained intelligence documents showing there was no Trump-Russia collusion. Trump, as president, had the ability to de-classify any document he chose. Bolton (like VP Biden) did not. Trump, of course, has a history of poor personnel decisions, and hiring Bolton was one of his worst.

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TR Lingo's avatar

Fair point, but I’d still give it better than even odds that it’s largely performative and won’t pass muster with a jury if it even gets that far.

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CB's avatar

Agree, especially if the case is brought in Maryland or DC. Real lawfare experts always pick a friendly jurisdiction

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Dick Minnis's avatar

Respectfully disagree. IMO it is more correctly categorized as accountability for one's actions. You would be correct in your assessment if a follow on indictment fails to materialize or is a nothing burger. It took Kash Patel 2 years working for Congressman Nunes of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence to prove Russian Collusion a DNC hoax. He knows the ins and outs of the law, having been both a prosecutor and public defender. Doubt he would have taken this path without valid reasons. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Dick Minnis removingthecataract.substack.com

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

Not quite instant karma, but still karma nevertheless.

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

You obviously don't know how karma works, and why.

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Just a pointer on the Viet Nam War draft and college deferments.

I was oblivious to anything but high school and girls and drinking beer on weekends while in HS from 1965 thru 69. For four years I had planned to go to college, taking math and science while also forced to take the boring things like English Lit, history, etc I mostly wanted to fly a jet for the AF. When I found out that was out of the question -- a college recruiter woke me up-- poor vision-- I pivoted in my semi-conscious mind to engineering.

For the next 3 yrs at the U of Illinois I just worked my ass off trying to get good grades; walking around the long-haired, hippie tokers standing in my way of the steps of Chem Annex protesting instead of attending their OWN classes.

I had a "2S" deferrment since I was already IN college and in good standing. I did not "apply" for it, no one did. You got what you got. When the "lottery" came out in 1970, drafting those for '71, my number was 67 as I recall-- I would be DRAFTED if I flunked out or otherwise "quit" to work instead, or to sit on my ass in my parents home.

So, deferments were not something you applied for, got because you were rich, or were MORE privileged to obtain. You got what you got.

I had no idea though that lots of the dumber kids who I never really "knew" in HS were already in 'nam -- getting killed. Not till years later in class reunions.

We were ALL just oblivious, cogs in the machine.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

I met him years ago, never liked him. You're right, an absolute neo-con war hawk. Disgusting human being.

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Paul's avatar

Arrest Opra and Stacy Abrams

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reality speaks's avatar

Bolton is a snake his morals are lower than a snakes belly in the grass. He spent his entire time stabbing Trump in the back leaking mis leading information to the press etc etc etc and he is one of the neocons that have kept us in a perpetual war in that god foresaken hell hole called the Middle East.

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Valentine West's avatar

Common people keep the world operating. Their commonsense with business transactions, human relationships, training of young people, building homes, schools, hospitals and so much more goes on day after day in every country.

Then the likes of John Bolton pronounce that things must be done their way through the big globalist Corporations or there will be war. What a clown what a puffed up little man of self importance he has been.

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Tamenund's avatar

John Bolton should be hauled off to the Hague in handcuffs for his role in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

That said, the war in Vietnam was one that no American ever should have gone to fight.

When Congress issues a formal declaration of war, there’s a compelling argument for participation; without this, go find someone else.

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Allie's avatar

Too bad they didn’t raid his home with a SWAT team and helicopters at 5am and pull him out of his house in his underwear.

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