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The Great Santini's avatar

George Floyd died of drug overdose in police custody He wasn’t killed by police.

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T try u's avatar

Floyd was saying, “I can’t breathe” before Chauvin arrived in the scene.

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James Dawson's avatar

When you can’t breathe, you can’t say “I can’t breathe!” repeatedly…

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dmickg's avatar
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First off, like all opioids, fentanyl is a profound respiratory depressant. Second, unlike most opioids it causes a condition known as ‘wooden chest’ that is basically a stiffness of the muscles involved in breathing making it more difficult to ventilate/oxygenate.

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Penny North's avatar

My daughter told me about this (ICU nurse).

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Andreas Geiss's avatar

But to be fair: These are typical effects of Fentanyl when used for its original indication as analgetic in the setting of general anaesthesia (induction) : 2-5 µg/kg i.v. (with marked effects on consciousness resp. unconsciousness)

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dmickg's avatar
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True assuming a narcotic/fentanyl naive person. But we both know that tolerance to fentanyl develops very fast so God only knows how much he was using or had on board. Word is he ate what he had when he was getting busted as he had done in the past. So who knows.

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Admin's avatar

Dr. Pierre Kory was an expert medical reviewer on the George Floyd civil case. He said in his book, The War on Ivermectin, that his conclusion was that police action is what killed him.

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The Great Santini's avatar

Yes Dr Kory did. But I reviewed the evidence and I disagree with Dr Kory’s assessment. The ME that didn’t find evidence of strangulation. That examination also showed lethal levels of narcotics in Floyd’s system that he had ingested immediately prior to his arrest. I also note that Floyd had previously ingested drugs he had on his person during a prior arrest, that time without fatal consequence. Furthermore, the video clearly shows Floyd resisting arrest and the officers attempting to contain him with approved restraint techniques while awaiting the arrival of an ambulance. So, on the balance of the evidence he died of a drug overdose while in police custody. In any case there is no excuse for the rioting that followed.

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Realist's avatar

Well, Kory did not examine Floyd. He knows nothing!

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Correct. It was pure coincidence that he died while a sadist was getting his rocks off. By the way, I like your comparison of Kory to Socrates. Kory is indeed very wise.

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Danny Huckabee's avatar

Kory was wrong. The medical examiner said he died of an overdose from the drugs he swallowed to hide from police. He'd done it before but had gotten away with it. The examiner changed his analysis when he was contacted by officials from Washington and urged to do so. Scott McKay, a federal prosecutor, documented this.

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Tamenund's avatar

Maybe it did. But if the cop is following an approved procedure, it hardly seems appropriate for the mob to direct its anger at him.

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jacob silverman's avatar

being kneeled on, too. Maybe teach the police not to kneel on the neck.

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Danny Huckabee's avatar

The technique Chauvin used was what Minneapolis police were training to do with large people resisting arrest. It was in their training manual. The police chief lied under oath when he denied it was part of standard training for violent criminals.

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Taming the Wolf Institute's avatar

It was designed to incapacitate drugged suspects who could feel no pain and would be extremely violent.

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Taming the Wolf Institute's avatar

That said, from personal sources, I am aware that Chauvin was an extremely bad cop. He choked out a relative of mine who was doing his official job as an accident investigator for the city. And he killed a friend of his by racing through a neighborhood at high speed and t-boning a guy's car, killing him. And he was heavily involved in a night club as security, a place where Floyd also worked. So, though the Floyd thing was misreported and analyzed, Chauvin was no good guy.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Chauvin was a sadist getting his rocks off. Sadism subtype: enforcing sadism, correlated with compulsively subtype: bureaucratic compulsive with narcissistic features. Chauvin was basically an Anthony Fauci in a cop uniform.

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Taming the Wolf Institute's avatar

That was the experience my relative had as Chauvin wrapped his hands around his throat.

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jacob silverman's avatar

Awful. I know about the Kentucky state trooper training that admires or quotes or references some sort of Nazi ideas. Maybe the informaton you are giving is correct, okay. IDK. I knew a guy who was taking police training courses in college because the guy had some desire to be a police officer. He told his friends about a guest lecturer for hs class who came in and told the class “Hitler had the right idea.” He kept people in line. Something of this nature. And now training manuals, omg.

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Realist's avatar

It was an approved procedure.

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jacob silverman's avatar

no

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Realist's avatar

Yes!

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Nancy Parsons's avatar

Agreed, the procedure was approved. The police need to revise their procedures and teach safer and still effective ways to restrain an arrested person.

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Paul's avatar

Dumb ass

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Kendall's avatar

The police manual prescribed kneeling on the shoulder, which is what Chauvin did. Had you done an ounce of research you would have known this, but it obviously did fit your distorted narrative.

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jacob silverman's avatar

Chauvin had to use judgement whether to do it or not to. He may have made the wrong decision about this. What about when the man is literally dying and asking Chavn to stop. And these pigs never will. Here I did my “research.” I experienced it. Maybe I do not immediatley kiss ass to the them the same way you do. Why is Kendall always insulting me? I never said I did any research on it so I guess you are good to enlighten me. Keep going, mate. Your move, buster boy.

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Kendall's avatar

Your language defines you. I point out facts. Nor did I even mention you by name. You call police "pigs," generalizing about men and women who put their lives on the line to protect the civilian population. Try reading Heather Mac Donald's book "The War on Cops," for an honest assessment of police. I don't need to reply further. You do a good enough job exposing yourself.

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jacob silverman's avatar

I made a lot of good points. And it is because you do appreciate them, that I am wasting my time too. I simply have experence with what these asshole police have done to me and they are rally horrific, just trying to have total power just like in Nazi Germany. And we have this in this country? I am sure they never did this to you, personally. You wouldn't like it. They think they should have power over a person. The United States of America has never addressed this police problem. Until you solve that, we are going nowhere. The real practice of this country is to give the police officers a blank check. They are never investigated of fired for it. Look at ICE. And Minnesota is supposedly liberal? How? The police very often are really, really mean and deluded. They are psychopathological. They abuse whomever they think is weak. And as I say, nobody even cares. The people of this country know what these policemen do. The officers of the law want to have total power. The Constituton does not say "police are masters of the universe." It says the opposite as far as I know. (I tried to read it; it was not very interesting but I suppose there are some lessons to be gleaned [like "harvested" or "gathered.") Police are not given their jobs so they can kill people or otherwise abuse them.

It just makes me absolutely sick. They are so irratonal. And, you know what ---? Sorry I used the word "pig." I don't like people like you, Kendall.

You don't point out "facts." Total BS, Kendall. You mention facts? Why? It is not a fact that "Your language defines you," it is an opinion. You took a few words I used, in order to be against me. You had no interest in the content of what am sayng, or what sort of person I am. Who are you responding to? Who you THINK I am? That is the essence of disrespect. You don't know me. I was responding to a reply of yours and my response to you had PLENTY of language in it for you. And plenty of facts. It's a " fact" that I used those words. You don't care about facts or you would know what they are. Every word I used is a fact and the meaning of the word is another fact. Your "point out facts"? What on the Lord's earth does that mean? Yes, it is a fact that I used the word "pig" for "police." They are that bad. I gave in and said the wrong thng. That constitutes one fact. Plenty others there. You had no interest in any of it. But you did notice where it was just me giving in the desire to use a nasty word, for many reasons that I have experenced all my life from these idots.. So I got that off my chest, sue me.

Well I do not find that this was honest discourse. I do not think you are capable of it. You may not LIKE honest discourse. That is also possible. Is that the "fact"? Is it a "fact" that you are incapable of honesty? Like so many persons on the Right you do not really read the content. You cherry-pick what you want to. You just took the parts you feel like responding to and ignored the rest.

RIght now I feel like an asshole for writing to you for so long. So I need to finish, or I well feel really bad that I did not finish what I started.

You are not senstive to the whole. You picked the wrong parts, wrong facts. So I used your name? Or is this about when I said "Buddy boy"? Ha ha. Aren't I a card? Okay, so say something about that. Ask me not to. Correct me. No, that is not what you do. As for your own name, why couldn't I use it if I wanted to? The name is there, I used it. But you. Your speciality is to pick out some "language" issue. Is my language still "defining me" or do you have something else to work with now? Other than the total horror of my saying "pig."

You certainly do not point out facts. That statement bears no scrutiny (doesn't hold up) at all. "I point out facts." Just read what the person you are writing to wrote. I wish you read what I wrote. Would have been nice. I am sorry if you are a conservative and do not get to have the sort of authoritarian (or simplistic) world you wish for. And that would be a world where white persons are in the top position, right? That could be what you wish you lived in. But it is difficult to make that work. That worked under a strict "class society." We need to go to something else, a world where persons actually have rights. This is not a fascist or conservative nation. Why do the law enforcement officers not respect other Americans' rights? Your ideal world you don't get to have. I get it. That frustrates you. I have met more conservatives than a lot of the persons grew up around. Sometimes I prefer these persons. I wish the United States would give proper respect to conservatives, even the conservatives like you are. But this country has to give its respect firstly to the honest. Let's say, ( am trying to wrap up here, Mr. K!) to sincere persons who are willng to allow freedom and not kneel on persons' necks to kill them. This country s gettng worse.

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Paul's avatar

George Floyd pos

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Did you seen the entire video of drug-addict George Floyd in the store passing a phony bill...and then going to his car...sitting in it slumped over the wheel. When the police went to take him out of the vehicle he refused to get into the police car...He was totally inebriated and very sick. He fell to the ground...and the policemen did not shut off air to his lungs. He said that he couldn't breathe as he went down on the ground. See the entire film! George Soros and his Open Society started the trouble and riots that got people killed and people doing lots of destruction and burning in cities.

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Ellen's avatar
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Respectfully disagreeing, only because I trust doctor who was the expert medical witness, Dr Kory. Floyd didn't die of an overdose. Doesn't mean he was a model citizen whose death should have been catalyst to burn cities and call for defunding the police (that sure worked out well ...)

I think the BLM movement is cult-like and embodies the ridiculous double standards on the left. That said, there's some truth to what they say, but the world isn't as simple as they clam where everything is the product of racism, and all would be well if we just defunded cops and did more to indoctrinate white children that they must be motivated by guilt.

Still, Dr Kory makes a compelling case that it wasn't the drugs in his system that killed George Floyd ...

https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/george-floyd-did-not-die-of-a-fentanyl?utm_source=publication-search

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Soni Knapp's avatar

How did he get the drugs? Aren’t there high risk checks

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The Great Santini's avatar

He had them on his person prior to the arrest and ingested them when his arrest became imminent. He was being arrested for, among other things, passing counterfeit money.

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Charles InCharge's avatar

Because we aren’t a bunch of low IQ basement dwellers livin’ on hot pockets, pot store fantasies, fueled by Haight developed from CNN and MSNBC contrived miss quotes, exacting destruction on the innocent.

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Keith A Breedlove's avatar

I don’t like the supposed moral equivalency by the talking heads and other pundits, “well yes, the left has been doing this but the right is also violent.” When have we seen a right-wing nut, let alone conservatives, kill somebody for their speech or their position? It hasn’t happened. This assassination is on the heads of the leadership of the democrat party, the party of “ all MAGA and Trump are nazis.” And what’s funny is the democrats’ storm troopers, antifa and BLM, those are the ones acting like fascists.

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sandy's avatar

Microagressiom being taught as a form of violence: hurtful words = violence. See the Sub stack by Jeff Childers today discussing this topic.

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Paul's avatar

F..k george floyd

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Realist's avatar

"When have we seen a right-wing nut, let alone conservatives, kill somebody for their speech or their position? It hasn’t happened. "

It has happened, just not as much as on the left.

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jacob silverman's avatar

On the Right in terms of the ordinary, working class person you will get a lot more volence. Not the leadership; the leadership or the spokesperson knows enough not to be outwardly or obviously violent. But then, what about police? In terms of police violence just skyrockets. Trump and his people are destroyng America, the police are horrble. Even those on the Right don't like what police do. Some of these law enforcement officers are psychotic, by a clinical explanation. There are actual "psychos" employed as police officers. No, we have REAL problems in this country. The "left" would encompass an undefinable group. Stop tal,ing about some "Left" that no longer exists.

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Paul's avatar

George Floyd

Rot in hell POS

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Keith A Breedlove's avatar

When has police violence skyrocketed? Even obama-biden's FBI statistics showed that police "voolence" is at very low levels. And how is Trump destroying the country? Everything he has done has been constitutional, unlike the previous administrations. And even those judges who have put policies on hold have been ovrrturned on appeal. He's also jolding the previous authoritarians accountable forctheir violations of our civil rights. You need to stop with the kool-aid.

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Mike's avatar

It is the Democrats that are violent and unreasonable.

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Andi's avatar

Agree 100%! I saw a post of college students ( don’t remember which college), stand in circle with arms around each other & praying. They also sang “Amazing Grace”. That’s how they are responding. Just as Charlie would want. Peaceful & full of Grace. No hate or violence.🙏✝️❤️🇺🇸🌍

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LFYGFR265's avatar

It behooves us to remain peaceful even though we are angry. To lash out against a duped or brainwashed person celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk is exactly what MSNBC, CNN, democrats, college professors, and one world globalists want and are waiting for. Do NOT take the bait!!! After all, these groups are responsible for the duping and brainwashing in the first place. It is Communism 101

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Admin's avatar

Yes, thank goodness those who love Charlie and are devastated by his death are so restrained. Violence is EXACTLY what the other side wants. We must rise up to forge a safer country--there is no sitting on the sidelines now--but thank goodness we are doing so in a spirit of wisdom and love, not rage and hate.

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Paul's avatar

Better do something soon

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Dag Waddell's avatar

My first impression of why there were vigils instead of riots is because in the case of Charlie Kirk, it was an organic response, common people were left to their own to express their emotions, whereas in the Floyd case, the elite ruling class seized on the event to curate a cultural revolution.

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Ziglbathm Velinfrat's avatar

^^^ THIS ^^^

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DaughteroftheKing's avatar

Charlie did not simply recognize the value of faith for Christian society, however – he lived it and experienced it personally.

In an interview with Russell Brand last year, Kirk explained, “I'm nothing without Jesus.”

"I'm a sinner. I fall incredibly short of the glory of God. We all do. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, and it's the most important decision I've ever made and everything I do incorporates Jesus Christ."

Just a few months ago, in an interview with Jack Selby of The Iced Coffee Hour, Kirk shared what he’d most like to be remembered for if he were to die.

“If everything completely goes away, how do you want to be remembered?” Selby asked.

“If I die?” Kirk clarified.

“Everything just goes away,” Selby pressed. “If you could be associated with one thing, how would you want to be remembered?”

“I want to be remembered for courage for my faith,” Kirk replied. “That would be the most important thing. The most important thing is my faith.”

Just four days before he was killed on September 6, he posted on X:

“Jesus defeated death so you can live.”

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Chris Collins's avatar

Looking at this atrocity from the outside, and from over seas, this appears to be a very well organised, expensive, planned, hit, with somebody at the place he was shot, talking some how, to the actual assassin. Like Oswald, they'll come up with a person with a low IQ, and say, 'This is our man', and, everybody will be happy. All the while, the real 'assassin' will be on an island somewhere enjoying his/her booty for the job. Maybe ask the CIA, WEF, some one like that, maybe they can tell you who really did this. I'll bet you five bucks.

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DaughteroftheKing's avatar

Chris Collins - If you are correct, I PRAY ALMIGHTY GOD shines light on the truth and provides true justice for His young Warrior and Family....

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Rock Gjermo's avatar

Amen. I found this to be a great take... https://x.com/RealDonKeith/status/1966138256065765584

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DaughteroftheKing's avatar

AMEN.

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Emp's avatar

Well said Mr. Leake. They persecute and kill conservatives to get us to fight back with violence…do not fall for it…there are other ways to defeat their evil. The fires of Hell are very HOT this they will know!

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Meaghan Tara Ryan's avatar

This post along with some of the comments is why I think you're losing subscribers. You are part of the polarization problem of "Us versus Them", making the 'other' the problem.

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Roger Moore's avatar

It's not "us versus them", it's good versus evil.

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edward's avatar

But they ARE THE OTHER AND THE REAL PROBLEM.

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Yes, I find Leakes coverage of this event (which may be faked anyway) to be deliberately but deceptively, inflammatory. I do not trust someone who writes in this way. What are his motives? This is why people are moving away from this substack, they can see what is being done here.

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Roger Moore's avatar

George Floyd was killed by his use of illegal drugs and his bad decisions plus the fools in Ilhanistan that have some twisted sense of justice by cell phone. Had the crowd stayed back and let the officers do their job "Saint Floyd" might still be alive. The left is about to get their wish and their next wish will be that they could undo what is about transpire.

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TurquoiseThyme's avatar

To my thinking it comes down to the basic world views of the right and the left.

A righty that goes over the edge moves to a cabin in the woods stockpiles guns and amo puts up trespassers will be shot signs and raises chickens. And if you stay away and leave them alone, you will barely know they exist.

But when a lefty goes over the edge, they riot they build maltov cocktails and throw them at mom and pop businesses and shoot people.

The right takes personal responsibility for their failures and basically wants to be left alone to live their life.

The left are still dependents perpetual spoiled children, they view the world thru the lens of envy, and it’s always someone else’s fault when they don’t get what they want. So they have to attack the people that they perceive as denying their happiness.

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A. Boyd Myers's avatar

Great article. So well said. What will it take to stop the madness and what seems like pure evil?

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jacob silverman's avatar

Leake does not understand anything. The broad pattern is that BOTH "left" and "right" are failures. So he sees a completely fictional scenario, with these old cliches of "Left" vs. "Right." He does not uderstand anything or see anything. I am frankly surprised he lets me leave this as a 'Comment.'

The right is rioting every day. Their every day polities are bad enough, why do they need to riot? Rioters care more about society than the phony-baloney GOP does. Personally, I never saw any BLM riots. I never like them and I do not frequent those sorts of affairs.

I saw one march, in Miami. I thought those people were total assholes. I was disgusted. Noboyd believes in the Democrats or in the asshole Republicans.

If a person such as Leake has some kind of special rightist views, that is fine of course. Persons do have those views. But "left bad, right good" is NOT the narrative of choice. Are people saying bad things about Kirk? Why not discuss the man? Why not discuss what he said or who he was?

I think it is a healthy discussion. I fear the violence of the RIght, I fear it greatly. All this kind of writing is definitely facilitating violence. Maybe their style is just differs from the left style. Why shouldn't it?

I do not think Leake and his friends are very good people. He should stick to looking at science and get better at that before moving onto general social questions, which he is not good at. All of these rightist voices, e.g. Leake and Kirk's views or voices alive or dead, are of extremely low moral integrity. These people are grifters.

If somebody died, somebody died. What is the big deal? It really is not my job to condemn it. It is really not my job to say, "but he was such a good person." I have no idea, but I read his writings and they were not so good.... This is all I know about the person. He comes across really poortly, based on a look at just his writings. He does not suddenly become a better person now. That does not make sense. Of course not. He was who he was.

It is terrible to shoot persons. No one should kill anybody. So I am on record now, saying that. So, when somebody like this dies, should we all repeat how wrong it is? Okay, fine. It is wrong to kll.

happy?

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Kendall's avatar

It's hard to imagine a more ignorant post and reflection of the hate-filled bile.

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jacob silverman's avatar

Well there is something wrong somewhere! so…

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Realist's avatar

"Personally, I never saw any BLM riots."

You are delusional. They burned a good portion of Minneapolis to the ground. Many other cities as well

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jacob silverman's avatar

I said never saw any, and I did not. Now what….? Do I get an apology from the man?

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Realist's avatar

There are thousands of videos all over the news, even the lying MSM. I don't believe you didn't see them.

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sandy's avatar
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In his Substack today, Jeff Childers discusses the concept of microagression being taught in colleges today and his belief that it is fueling violence.

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