When the very first video came out it looked like maybe it was a bad shoot & I told myself to wait for the body cam. I needed to see what he was seeing at the time. Before it was released I saw a podcaster break down the first video pausing at different increments. That is when I saw 2 facts I found important. The first being that it was easy to confuse the agent shooting with the other agent to his right & it was clearer how the shooting agent was moving. The 2nd was Goode’s left front tire. After she put her SUV in reverse & cocked her wheels, her tire lost traction, spun out when she punched it. That slowed down her initial exceleration when she punched the gas going forward. Her tire would not have lost traction if she was trying to leave at a safe speed. A day later the agent’s cell phone video was released. *NOTE: the agents do not have body cams because the previous administration severely cut I.C.E.’s budget right at the start of the Biden’s term & I believe at least 1 or 2 more times after that. The only agents who have body cams are the Quick Response Teams.* Carl Higbie on NewsMax, a former SEAL & very familiar with the training for approaching a vehicle & positioning the agents were using, ran through the video & froze it right before Goode punched the gas. She was looking dead straight at the agent, eye contact with a smirk when the agent again ordered her to stop & get out. then punches it. Her front tire loosing traction slowed down the force of which the SUV hit the agent. If not for that the agent would have been struck with even more force than he was. Instead of just injuries causing internal bleeding, he would have been far worse shape or dead. Of course I am not a forensics expert & I don’t claim to be. But when you look at all angles of the incident from above ground it would appear that agent was damn lucky & Goode was just plain foolish.
One more point that really pisses me off about Goode & her partner. Their dog was in the back seat. You’ll see that in the agent’s video. To bring loved ones that are precious, innocent & defenseless to situations with a high propensity for something bad to happen tells me both of them were pretty damn stupid. I hope that poor dog did not get hurt when she crashed or that it caught a bullet. I have seen it at so many “friendly protests” that are really just agitator rallies, babies in strollers, little kids that are only holding up signs mommy told them to hold up, dogs that could get hurt or even bite someone it perceives as dangerous. Leave the kids & pets at home!
I saw a video after Good’s car crashed and her “wife” had the dog with her. But, was the dog a friendly dog or one who might have been used to attack the officers. So this “mom” drops her kid off at Daycare to be raised by a stranger while she goes off to her job as a paid agitator and provocateur instead of an honest job. She lost custody of her other children and does not sound like a good “mom” to me, to her child or to her dog.
How do you know the ICE officer has internal bleeding any more than George Bush saying Babies were being thrown out of Incubators in Iraq? The number of excuses you all have for murder is astounding.
Personally, I've had my fill of hysterical people causing endangerment to law enforcement with impunity. Witnessing the antics of "tolerated violence" by the likes of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and their evil predecessors, Weather Underground, I have concluded that they represent an unreasonable, clear and present danger to civil society. I have personally sustained injuries, many times, because of people who did things which were illegal, malicious and I had to deal with the consequences OF THEIR ACTIONS. Notably, a disgruntled arsonist who set fire to a bakery, where I was injured fighting the fire, was able to act upon their flawed perceptions. This person was allowed to be free, receive public funds, paid expenses for counselling, free room and board, and to light fires. The woman who assaulted the officer with her vehicle has been held responsible for her actions, and will never harm another law enforcement officer.
Greetings David, The officer trained and experienced in detecting the cues you watch for when you are near a car with a hostile driver intent on fleeing. He was certainly watching her the whole time for these cues when she put the car in reverse, and when she put it into drive to get out of there. His line of work is similar to being in a boxing ring in which mind is trained to notice movement cues very fast. His draw, aim and shot were very precise, as was his final sidestep to his right. As a matter of common sense -- as well as training and experience -- when an irrational and highly emotional woman is behind the wheel of a car with engine running and she initiates fleeing, you get out of the way, which, by the way, he did with his final side step to the right. He also certainly understood that shooting her wouldn't stop the car, so what was the point? The point of my post is to emphasize that how you feel about the woman and the officer is totally irrelevant. I am speaking strictly about what happened. Regards, John
I find it interesting that we're being preached to about confirmational bias by someone who obviously has a solid case of it, while not having 1 oz. of experience or training in tactical law enforcement facing imminent deadly threats and the loss of motor skills and mental acuity that goes with the stress of a Condition Red situation (Jeff Cooper's chart).
>Exactly John - "you get out of the way, which, by the way, he did with his final side step to the right. He also certainly understood that shooting her wouldn't stop the car, so what was the point? " it was clear cut murder and he should be in court and I would expect normally convicted for murder, but who knows these days.
This kind of behavior has been going on a long time...Remember when Patty Hearst was abducted by "radicals" and even was involved in a bank robbery? ...probably you don't as it was so long ago... few are still alive from that era... I think it was a group who called themselves THE WEATHERMEN...My memory is there was shooting involved in that also. I don't think that group got much punishment...
The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) i was in my mid 20s living in Los Angeles at the time. They held up in a house in Compton. The police blocked off the block where house was located and shot up the neighborhood. I remember thinking it would have been handled differently had they been in house in Beverly Hills. Law enforcement officers seem not to be trained well enough and don't go through necessary psychological testing, emotional equlibrium training to know how to disfuse situation. If person not willing to get out of car why not shoot the tires? Can not expect protesters to remain cool. Can ICE keep a clear head and not respond with anger?
Totally agree....this shooting a woman in the face is like an episode of Clown WORLD.
Sadly I think it is just "cooked"into our system. We hire poorly trained cops because we can't "afford" to pay the really good people who know better not to kill someone over a traffic violation...
It was the weather underground as David describes, same bunch of idiots. and YES, the brainwashed Patty Hearst to tag along on the Bank Heist where a man DID get murdered by one of them. Can't recall their punishment, Kalifornia, so?
Difficult reality, but reality nonetheless. Those who prey on women with mental health conditions, motivating them to engage in dangerous activity are to blame.
I respect your desire to try and reach an objective viewpoint, without placing politics above empiricism, but one of the problems with the public trying to second guess officers actions is that in most cases they have absolutely no experiential basis for making judgements.
Here is one of the common misconceptions. Once the decision to shoot has been reached, it can only very rarely be avoided. It's why courts and disciplinary proceedings only judge the events up to and including the 'moment of threat'. In many states, the law states that courts are only allowed to evaluate the 'moment of threat', although a very, very recent 9-0 Supreme Court decision changes this- the events which lead up to the 'moment of threat' are now to be considered by courts in all states, not just some. I will link an article at the bottom.
Here's another problem. The fact that Renee Good didn't appear threatening actually makes the case better for the officer. This may seem absurd at face value, but in a legal sense it's entirely true. Although some may not like the laws governing ICE what is true is that ICE officers are allowed to arrest and detain citizens if citizens attempt to interfere or obstruct them in the pursuit of their lawful duties. It's clear that Renee Good did this. The officers were allowed to arrest and detain her, and once one understand this, one can also understand that it's not all unusual for any type of law enforcement officer to step in front of vehicle in order to prevent a somewhat compliant but reluctant citizen from fleeing the scene at speed in a vehicle once they realise that they've crossed a line and are about to be arrested.
The final problem is hindsight bias. We know what happened. We've seen the video. But neither Good nor the ICE officer had the benefit of hindsight. It obvious in this tragic incident that either of them anticipated what unfurled. If Renee Good had been aggressive and threatening, it was clear that she was going to attempt to flee a lawful arrest, and the officer then decided to step in front of the vehicle, with the natural result that this might cause him to shoot if she attempted to ram him, then this could have weighed against the ICE officer in subsequent court or disciplinary proceedings, because in some circumstances this could be construed as 'officer induced jeopardy'. But because Renee Good didn't give any obvious signals that she was going to try to leave the scene, stepping in front of the car so that an arrest could be made was an entirely reasonable thing to do.
Reports on X are now suggesting that the ICE officer suffered internal bleeding from the bump. If this is verified as true it makes it even more likely he won't suffer disciplinary sanctions or legal repercussion. It should also be noted that past empirical observations of use-of-force incidents show for an officer with a firearm holstered it takes between 1.8 and 2.5 for a well-trained officer to perform the physical actions which result from the 'moment of threat' and the decision to shoot. When the experts and/or courts come to judge the ICE officers actions they will be legally bound to only consider what happened roughly two seconds before the shooting took place, as well as the events which immediately preceded it.
Good essay. For a non-expert it was a solid attempt at objectivity.
"... for an officer with a firearm holstered it takes between 1.8 and 2.5 for a well-trained officer to perform the physical actions which result from the 'moment of threat' and the decision to shoot"
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Agreed. But, Ross drew and fired a LOT faster than that. I suspect that after he walked in front of the car and positioned himself in front of her car, he was just waiting for the car to move forward to give him the excuse to "quick draw" and fire.
"... it appears that CBP practice allows shooting at the driver of any suspect vehicle that comes in the direction of agents. It is suspected that in many vehicle shooting cases, the subject driver was attempting to flee from the agents who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force. ..."
That's not necessarily true. The decision to shoot to shoot timeframe isn't just about the mechanical process. It's also about natural human reactions times. It's 4-5 seconds from the perception of the car speeding up to shooting. But the draw-fire phase is quick- 1-2 seconds from reach to volley. This is consistent with ICE training.
I'm sorry I should have been clearer in my original comment. The 1.8 to 2.5 seconds includes reaction response as well at the mechanical movements. In lab conditions with highly trained individuals the draw-fire process can be as quick as 0.8 to 1.1 seconds.
Thanks for your additional info. From re-watching the videos, ICE officer Ross's reaction time AND his draw-fire time for his first shot was only about 1 second after the car started it's forward motion (versus the 1.8-2.5 seconds you mentioned above). That's my point. Officer Ross had no "reaction time"; just the 0.8-1.1 seconds draw-fire time you mentioned above. I believe Ross had already decided to draw-fire IF he saw the car begin its forward motion.
I respectfully disagree. This wasn't a murder, this was a tragedy.
Most people imagine the other side are monsters, but what they don't realise is each of the partisan camps have a set of priors which amounts to an ideology in relation to immigration as an issue.
Both sides are incorrect in some aspects of their priors. The Rights get it wrong on illegal immigrants/undocumented workers and crime. The Left gets it wrong on the economic harms caused to blue collar Americans by labour competition. What complicates matters is some of the costs are hidden. For every 1 dollar lost through wage loss or stagnation, 2 dollars are lost through housing costs, principally housing and rents.
It's not really being broadcast widely in the media, but in the first 5-7 after Trump took office, 1.4 million migrants were deported or self-deported, with the vast majority self-deporting. In the same period, 2 million Americans re-entered the workforce. The rate at which blue collar pay increased above the rate of inflation was the highest its been since the category was invented in 1965. Here's a clip by a Nobel economist which lays out the broad case in around 3 minutes:
And contrary to popular economic myths, blue collar Americans getting higher wages didn't really add much to inflation- only around 0.1-0.4 points. This a real departure from the experience of the seventies.
What we should be doing is funding an expansion of universities in the developing world, and then telling kids that if they want to come to the West they need to get qualified in areas of education which Western populations don't want to study. This would have the added benefit of increasing economic growth in the least economically developed countries. The data shows that only around 20% of graduates ultimately come to the West. This type of education-based migration is a net benefit for both countries.
"I respectfully disagree. This wasn't a murder, this was a tragedy. Most people imagine the other side are monsters ..."
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We'll have to respectfully disagree on the intent of ICE officer Ross. At best, I think this was a "bad shoot" that might be technically legal (e.g. "I feared for my life" excuse) but terrible police work.
I agree this was a tragedy. Neither "side" in this incident behaved well and both contributed to the fatal shooting. Yelling, profanity, and insults by both sides just raises tempers and escalates these sort of situations. I would like to see more respect shown by both sides during protests.
Imagining the "other side are monsters" just leads to more violence. i worked as an urban firefighter for 30 years and have seen many episodes where both citizens and cops have behaved badly, reacting to the other's bad behavior. But, officers should be "the adults in the room," be held to a higher standard, and should be the ones seeking to de-escalate. That certainly didn't occur in this situation and led to the fatal shooting.
Firefighter. That's cool. An acquaintance of mine is a crew manager. We're a fair bit more rural. Lot's of traffic accidents. There used to be a doctor at our local surgery whose main specialism was emergency callouts.
The local fire crews used to call him Joe 90 (a puppet character by the same people who made Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet, Stingray, etc.)
I agree with you on the de-escalation point. As I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there has been a real drop in applicant numbers of policing roles. This presents a real problem, because in the past PDs used to use the high numbers to screen out temperamentally unsuitable candidates. Lowering academic credentials in one thing, but accepting lower intelligence recruits with problems of emotional stability means policing is only going to get worse. A lot worse.
I've said in other places that the ICE officers actions weren't ideal with hindsight. That being said, the ICE officers were legally empowered to arrest Renee Good. Obstructing or interfering with an ICE officer negates the normal rule that they aren't allowed to interfere with or arrest and detain citizens. With hindsight, it was perfectly feasible to wait until later, and arrest her at her home. Some police forces already take this approach with protests where activists cross the line into illegal behaviour. Less likely to rile up a crowd.
Ross has been with ICE since 2015. Before that he was with the U.S. Border Patrol, who he joined in 2007. He was also an Iraq veteran. His roles included fugitive operations, firearms instruction, Special Response Team (ICE's SWAT equivalent), and even as an FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force member.
The SWAT experience explains the quick fire-draw response. SWAT-trained individuals obviously perform better at this task.
To be honest I expected this problem to occur with one of the recent recruits. 55% of ICE are recent hires, and they've shortened the training window from 6 months to 8 weeks.
Isn't it lawful to PEACEFULLY protest? Our kids have grown up watching "protests" that are anything but, as the media has covered and reported literal criminal activity as normalized protests in our country, and it is sickening. As a mother of 2 young women, I am tired of the normalization of poor behavior in our society BY adults and the media! The kids are watching and being inundated with it on their social media and it is intentional. As I told my girls, I am very sorry that Ms. Good lost her life, but everyone makes choices in life and she is not a woman I would want you to emulate.
In respectful disagreement to part of your synopsis, I think that it is not fully clear that there was an opportunity that the ICE agent "could have jumped completely clear." Watching the footing of the two officers who physically interacted with the car reveals very slippery conditions (their feet slide on the ice). There is a nonzero probability that any quick movement would lead to a fall.
And falling, while standing right in front of an accelerating vehicle, can get you run over.
Also, in the split-second reaction, the threat of deterrence may have been what ran through the ICE agent's mind -- i.e., a driver may cease-and-desist (may stop hitting the gas) upon seeing a gun pointed at them.
You talk about bias and yet assume she was trying to flee and was hysterical. I don’t see anything to indicate that. Maybe she was trying to flee after 1. Using her vehicle to disrupt traffic and 2. Disobeying several lawful commands to get out of the vehicle. Or maybe she was trying to run over an ICE officer. In either case it’s not the officer’s job to get out of the way of a fleeing suspect. It’s the citizen’s job, in a law abiding society, to obey the officer’s lawful commands and to let the judge decide, not to flee and possibly put others at risk by your purposely disruptive actions.
Part of the problem is the mayor and governor who were inciting violence. These woman and those involved in the mostly peaceful protests are not only manipulated but roused into frenzied fury- unable to make calm and intelligent decisions. Pelosi and Harris were on national tv both saying the mostly peaceful protests should continue until they get what they want. What exactly did they want? What exactly did Ms. Good want? And why is it they are not peaceful in their protests? Because the so called leaders are encouraging them to behave like animals instead of a thoughtful human being. As far as the ice agent that shot her- his life is altered in a tragic way. I doubt he ever thought he would have to use deadly force to protect himself, enforce the law, or protect others. How tragic it is to see all the lives ruined by govt. officials who are enjoying the division and chaos. When will people like Ms.Good become rational enough to make better decisions and see both sides?!
Ah. another missive from John "Dirty Harry" Leake. Mr. ".44 magnum" was ready to shoot it out with potential robbers because law enforcement in Dallas failed to respond the way he wanted. But when a Federal officer shoots a crazed lezzie trying to run him over, then that's somehow wrong? What kind of twisted morals is that?
Baltimore Police Officer Amy Caprio, a white woman, was run down by a black man, Dawnta Harris in 2018. Harris was driving a stolen Jeep. She drew her pistol and ordered Harris out of the Jeep multiple times. When Harris accelerated at her, she did not fire her pistol and was run down and killed. Her bodycam footage confirms those facts. If she had killed Harris, would she be a racist cop? Should the ICE officer have let the crazed lezzie kill him?
Hey people, making poor life choices doesn't make you a victim. It just shows your stupidity, and stupid can get you killed. You wanna be a revolutionary and fight the man, go right ahead but be prepared to die.
Tim Pool does a good job going frame by frame through video footage. Officer was initially on right front side of car (from driver's perspective). By backing up, Goode put him in front of the car. She then put the car in drive and actually struck the officer (assault with a deadly weapon). Completely justified shooting.
See my other comment. Ross walked in front of the car as it was reversing and then stopped facing it. See "A fourth camera angle of the shooting obtained by CNN ..."https://censorednews.substack.com/p/the-shooting-of-renee-good. From this angle, it doesn't appear he was struck as he was to the side of the car when he fired.
Your interpretation of the event and her intent is very problematical and speculative. If we did not have illegal aliens in our country this might never have happened.
This is the bottom line in this incident…if we didn’t have all these illegals in our country and citizens….working against law enforcement….to do their duty….this may have never happened!
These are often paid provocateurs…working against the law of the land just for a few extra bucks! This is criminal enterprise! Dangerous business…as a result people get killed!
The lure of filthy lurker….causes many…. to break the law…. putting themselves and others in harms way!
There exists no rule of law anymore. The police follow orders that are often skewed, prejudicially biased, political and even criminal. I refer here to CanCUCKistan, the shi*hole of the world. American officers, Sheriffs Departments, State Troopers, etc not to mention border guards have all been observed by me and interactively judged as open, amenable, fair and proper. But up here the police have shot dead an unarmed, elderly semi retired gunsmith, raped a drunken woman and trampled a disabled elderly woman on her access scooter. They have also lied, deceived, and committed violations of the Criminal Code of Canada, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Bill of Rights, and conspired with the prejudicially biased courts filled with turdo appointed judges who are so wokist wankers that a fair trial is not at all possible. Statist fascist liars in disorganizations like the bigoted HRC add to the crimes of the CYSTem and conspire by use of lies to target anyone who they have a knot in their face towards.
I am sympathetic to the American constabulary based on over a decade of experiential interaction with many of them who no fault I have ever found with any of them. Thus idiots getting shot for endangering the well being of ICE and other agencies deserve what they get.
ICE is acting like an invading and occupying military force, masked and armed, loosed upon a hostile population. Very much like the way the US military acted after the invasion and destruction of Iraq. How many times did US soldiers shoot and kill families in cars at roadblocks, after shouting instructions the driver couldn't understand? Always "perceiving" they were in danger? It's not surprising to learn that the ICE agent who shot Renee Good served in Iraq, part of that criminal invasion. This is imperialist thuggery, come home to roost. However mistaken she may have been in her reaction, shooting her in the head was beyond absurd. The agent could have jumped out of the way. John is right: if ICE wanted to arrest her, that could have easily been done later. Renee Good no more deserved to die than did Ashley Babbitt.
You are either intentionally deceiving or criminally insane.. Babbitt was not threatening the killer with a 4000lb weapon, nor any other... Nor did the killer make any attempt to order her to change course. So stuff your lying claim. TTYNA
And Roseanne Boyland was no threat when she was bludgeoned to death by officer Lila Morris. There were never any charges against that officer. That would not have fit the Demonrat narrative.
Good was clearly trying to drive away. She wasn't intending to run over anybody. John is more clear-headed on this, despite his stated antipathy toward her. The masked gunman not only killed her, but put others at risk as her vehicle then headed down the road uncontrolled. What should have been a traffic management issue got turned into murder, for no good reason whatsoever.
Regardless of her intention, which nobody but her knows, trying to drive away with an officer standing in front of her vehicle is attempted murder. She got what she deserved.
WHY did she make the decision to leave her lesbo partner on the street hanging out to dry in that instant. That woman can be seen in the video trying to get in the right side door and in the photos above you can see her foot up in the air -- off the ground. In one instant Goode chose to quickly dump her and drive directly at the cop in front of her while another cop is yelling at her to get OUT.
She made that decision quite decisively and not in the mode of "Oh, I will just drive away quietly." So, you say no intention to run him over . . . uh, no.
She was being shouted at by armed masked men, as well as by her partner. She panicked. The ICEman had time to draw his gun. As John points out, that was enough time for him to step out of the way. Shooting into the car, and then stepping around to the side to blast Renee Good in the head with another two shots - with "fucking bitch!" being heard on video from the scene - is not the action of a reasonable, trained officer. It's the action of an invader, much like the way US forces acted in Iraq.
Plus her partner can be heard yelling, "Drive, baby, drive." These two women were trained by professional activists who knew they were inducing two mentally challenged women to place themselves in harm's way.
I think Good panicked when the ICE officer came at her and yelled, "Get out of the F'ing car!". And, her partner also shouted "Drive baby, drive! She was reacting, not thinking.
Even if a person isn't deliberately attempting murder, if they kill someone, it's negligent homicide, which would have been the charge if she succeeded to kill the officer.
This seems to be missing from most of these discussions.
The LEO did not have to reach the conclusion that she was intending to physically kill him; it was enough that she handled the vehicle recklessly with him in front of it for him to fear for his life.
And as John Leake points out in this post: in the time he drew his gun, he could have gotten out of the way. No: what we have here is a jumped-up masked goon relishing his power over life and death. There are 3000 ICE agents in Minneapolis, almost five times more than the police force of the city. This is an armed invasion.
He MAY have been able to jump out of the way if she was merely driving in his direction without the intent of striking him. Had she been resolved to strike him, it is not clear that he could have jumped to a place she could not have reached with the vehicle.
She never made clear what her intentions were at the time.
Ah, the invading force comes from Somali. You might have missed that vital fact. And, you might have missed the role that drug cartels play as invading forces.
Bullshit. There aren't 3000 armed, masked Somalis roaming the streets of Minneapolis, grabbing people off the street, or bashing in doors of houses. Pour some water over your head. Fever dreams are doing you in.
I know you are trying to be nasty. But, in fact, now that you bring up the point, there are over 3000 Somalis roaming the streets of Minneapolis committing crimes. I'm afraid the fever dream is all yours...
Get your head out of your butt. Just because you cannot see does not mean that others also cannot see. Maybe you could refund the 9 billion stolen from the taxpayers. Maybe you can shut down the crime wave in Minneapolis, including the rampant fraud. Keep dreaming.
I think we have to wait for accident reconstruction experts and forensic pathologists to determine cause and manner of death. Of course, until that time, everyone is an expert. Even liberal arts majors who would not be allowed to apply to Medical School. W. Manion, MDPhDJDMBA Medical Examiner Forensic Pathologist, retired.
Very good. You are absolutely correct and accident reconstruction experts will note the wheels were spinning and the engine revving and louder as the vehicle moved or lurched forward. Why in the world do people block police and ICE agents trying to do their job? Why? Don’t you think bad things will happen? Who is paying these protestors to come out in subzero temperatures? Don’t any of these people have a job? We must investigate the Millionare Billionaire oligarchs funding the anti-Trump Trump Derangement Syndrome Mass Hysteria in Minnesota. How much is George Soros, Reid Hoffman, JD Pritzker, George Soros Jr, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Ackman etc contributing to the anti-Christian anti-Catholic Democrats who hate Donald Trump and Trump’s successes. Successes of closing the border, lowering illegal immigrant entry, lowering crime, lowering taxes, no taxes on tips, no taxes on Social Security, reforming credit card debt, etc. Please register to vote Republican this fall to keep our Country improving and helping our young people, retired and working families. W. Manion, MDPhDJDMBA
This analysis misses the salient point. These anti-ICE operations are organized and well-funded. You're not thinking hard enough if you think the objective is street theater or even getting ICE out of Minneapolis.
Yes, distracting from and slowing/derailing fraud investigations is a priority at the moment but the primary target is Trump. It really is "let me count the ways" since the list is long of foreign powers, adversaries and purported allies alike, that are increasingly desperate to disrupt his momentum.
After the incident, both Frey and Walz wanted brownie points for having said injury or death was inevitable unless ICE would "get the fuck out," as Frey put it. This is like the son who pleads for mercy at his murder trial as an orphan.
If you don't think this op was well thought out and planned out, even if waiting a lucky break in the nonstop throws of the dice, then you will have to explain the strange behavior of those present, so-called protesters and media alike.
The good news is that Trump won't sacrifice this officer either in the immediate or in a slow tightening investigative vise. The bad news is that this woman is dead and the foreign and domestic anti-Trump alignment won this round.
The primary responsibility for policing the "hysterical woman" should fall to the local police. How many traffic laws had she and others dangerously violated throughout the morning as they harassed ICE officers. Yet the abdication of responsible policing by the local police has created the very dangerous situation which resulted in this stupid woman's tragic death. Certainly her irrational and dangerous actions are the primary cause but had the local police done their job she would have been off the street well before the tragic events occurred. Many of the dangerous situations would be avoided if law enforcement would turn over illegal aliens with detainers to ICE instead of releasing them into the public.
The politicians who have refused to let the police do their jobs and actively obstruct the enforcement of legitimate federal immigration law are to blame for making a difficult situation far worse. As is evident in their statements, they choose to inflame the situation for political gain and care little for the safety of the public or law enforcement personnel.
When the very first video came out it looked like maybe it was a bad shoot & I told myself to wait for the body cam. I needed to see what he was seeing at the time. Before it was released I saw a podcaster break down the first video pausing at different increments. That is when I saw 2 facts I found important. The first being that it was easy to confuse the agent shooting with the other agent to his right & it was clearer how the shooting agent was moving. The 2nd was Goode’s left front tire. After she put her SUV in reverse & cocked her wheels, her tire lost traction, spun out when she punched it. That slowed down her initial exceleration when she punched the gas going forward. Her tire would not have lost traction if she was trying to leave at a safe speed. A day later the agent’s cell phone video was released. *NOTE: the agents do not have body cams because the previous administration severely cut I.C.E.’s budget right at the start of the Biden’s term & I believe at least 1 or 2 more times after that. The only agents who have body cams are the Quick Response Teams.* Carl Higbie on NewsMax, a former SEAL & very familiar with the training for approaching a vehicle & positioning the agents were using, ran through the video & froze it right before Goode punched the gas. She was looking dead straight at the agent, eye contact with a smirk when the agent again ordered her to stop & get out. then punches it. Her front tire loosing traction slowed down the force of which the SUV hit the agent. If not for that the agent would have been struck with even more force than he was. Instead of just injuries causing internal bleeding, he would have been far worse shape or dead. Of course I am not a forensics expert & I don’t claim to be. But when you look at all angles of the incident from above ground it would appear that agent was damn lucky & Goode was just plain foolish.
One more point that really pisses me off about Goode & her partner. Their dog was in the back seat. You’ll see that in the agent’s video. To bring loved ones that are precious, innocent & defenseless to situations with a high propensity for something bad to happen tells me both of them were pretty damn stupid. I hope that poor dog did not get hurt when she crashed or that it caught a bullet. I have seen it at so many “friendly protests” that are really just agitator rallies, babies in strollers, little kids that are only holding up signs mommy told them to hold up, dogs that could get hurt or even bite someone it perceives as dangerous. Leave the kids & pets at home!
I saw a video after Good’s car crashed and her “wife” had the dog with her. But, was the dog a friendly dog or one who might have been used to attack the officers. So this “mom” drops her kid off at Daycare to be raised by a stranger while she goes off to her job as a paid agitator and provocateur instead of an honest job. She lost custody of her other children and does not sound like a good “mom” to me, to her child or to her dog.
What’s the raised by strangers bullshit oh, I forget your Einstein and you’ve never been to school. No wonder.
Accurate analysis. Our standard bias causes us to look at actions as a normal, sane person would behave. That was not the case in this incident.
How do you know the ICE officer has internal bleeding any more than George Bush saying Babies were being thrown out of Incubators in Iraq? The number of excuses you all have for murder is astounding.
How do you know he doesn't have internal bleeding? The number of excuses that someone with motivated reasoning can come up with is more astounding.
How do you know that Bigfoot, the evolutionary half-man, half-ape, hiding in the forest, by itself, isn't just a man in a monkey suit?
Personally, I've had my fill of hysterical people causing endangerment to law enforcement with impunity. Witnessing the antics of "tolerated violence" by the likes of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and their evil predecessors, Weather Underground, I have concluded that they represent an unreasonable, clear and present danger to civil society. I have personally sustained injuries, many times, because of people who did things which were illegal, malicious and I had to deal with the consequences OF THEIR ACTIONS. Notably, a disgruntled arsonist who set fire to a bakery, where I was injured fighting the fire, was able to act upon their flawed perceptions. This person was allowed to be free, receive public funds, paid expenses for counselling, free room and board, and to light fires. The woman who assaulted the officer with her vehicle has been held responsible for her actions, and will never harm another law enforcement officer.
Greetings David, The officer trained and experienced in detecting the cues you watch for when you are near a car with a hostile driver intent on fleeing. He was certainly watching her the whole time for these cues when she put the car in reverse, and when she put it into drive to get out of there. His line of work is similar to being in a boxing ring in which mind is trained to notice movement cues very fast. His draw, aim and shot were very precise, as was his final sidestep to his right. As a matter of common sense -- as well as training and experience -- when an irrational and highly emotional woman is behind the wheel of a car with engine running and she initiates fleeing, you get out of the way, which, by the way, he did with his final side step to the right. He also certainly understood that shooting her wouldn't stop the car, so what was the point? The point of my post is to emphasize that how you feel about the woman and the officer is totally irrelevant. I am speaking strictly about what happened. Regards, John
I find it interesting that we're being preached to about confirmational bias by someone who obviously has a solid case of it, while not having 1 oz. of experience or training in tactical law enforcement facing imminent deadly threats and the loss of motor skills and mental acuity that goes with the stress of a Condition Red situation (Jeff Cooper's chart).
>Exactly John - "you get out of the way, which, by the way, he did with his final side step to the right. He also certainly understood that shooting her wouldn't stop the car, so what was the point? " it was clear cut murder and he should be in court and I would expect normally convicted for murder, but who knows these days.
Can you say Derrick Chauvin?
Most all Minnesotan's can.....
Bad guys with nothing to lose went free during former Admin.
Still do right up to the moment of capture and arrest.
How did law enforcing become the most "thankless" job in the USA?
It's now on video every single hour across America.
This kind of behavior has been going on a long time...Remember when Patty Hearst was abducted by "radicals" and even was involved in a bank robbery? ...probably you don't as it was so long ago... few are still alive from that era... I think it was a group who called themselves THE WEATHERMEN...My memory is there was shooting involved in that also. I don't think that group got much punishment...
The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) i was in my mid 20s living in Los Angeles at the time. They held up in a house in Compton. The police blocked off the block where house was located and shot up the neighborhood. I remember thinking it would have been handled differently had they been in house in Beverly Hills. Law enforcement officers seem not to be trained well enough and don't go through necessary psychological testing, emotional equlibrium training to know how to disfuse situation. If person not willing to get out of car why not shoot the tires? Can not expect protesters to remain cool. Can ICE keep a clear head and not respond with anger?
Totally agree....this shooting a woman in the face is like an episode of Clown WORLD.
Sadly I think it is just "cooked"into our system. We hire poorly trained cops because we can't "afford" to pay the really good people who know better not to kill someone over a traffic violation...
Hey c'mon Kathleen, we're not THAT old!
It was the weather underground as David describes, same bunch of idiots. and YES, the brainwashed Patty Hearst to tag along on the Bank Heist where a man DID get murdered by one of them. Can't recall their punishment, Kalifornia, so?
Some days I feel like I died yesterday....but we gotta keep on trucking...
remember that song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pafY6sZt0FE
Difficult reality, but reality nonetheless. Those who prey on women with mental health conditions, motivating them to engage in dangerous activity are to blame.
I respect your desire to try and reach an objective viewpoint, without placing politics above empiricism, but one of the problems with the public trying to second guess officers actions is that in most cases they have absolutely no experiential basis for making judgements.
Here is one of the common misconceptions. Once the decision to shoot has been reached, it can only very rarely be avoided. It's why courts and disciplinary proceedings only judge the events up to and including the 'moment of threat'. In many states, the law states that courts are only allowed to evaluate the 'moment of threat', although a very, very recent 9-0 Supreme Court decision changes this- the events which lead up to the 'moment of threat' are now to be considered by courts in all states, not just some. I will link an article at the bottom.
Here's another problem. The fact that Renee Good didn't appear threatening actually makes the case better for the officer. This may seem absurd at face value, but in a legal sense it's entirely true. Although some may not like the laws governing ICE what is true is that ICE officers are allowed to arrest and detain citizens if citizens attempt to interfere or obstruct them in the pursuit of their lawful duties. It's clear that Renee Good did this. The officers were allowed to arrest and detain her, and once one understand this, one can also understand that it's not all unusual for any type of law enforcement officer to step in front of vehicle in order to prevent a somewhat compliant but reluctant citizen from fleeing the scene at speed in a vehicle once they realise that they've crossed a line and are about to be arrested.
The final problem is hindsight bias. We know what happened. We've seen the video. But neither Good nor the ICE officer had the benefit of hindsight. It obvious in this tragic incident that either of them anticipated what unfurled. If Renee Good had been aggressive and threatening, it was clear that she was going to attempt to flee a lawful arrest, and the officer then decided to step in front of the vehicle, with the natural result that this might cause him to shoot if she attempted to ram him, then this could have weighed against the ICE officer in subsequent court or disciplinary proceedings, because in some circumstances this could be construed as 'officer induced jeopardy'. But because Renee Good didn't give any obvious signals that she was going to try to leave the scene, stepping in front of the car so that an arrest could be made was an entirely reasonable thing to do.
Reports on X are now suggesting that the ICE officer suffered internal bleeding from the bump. If this is verified as true it makes it even more likely he won't suffer disciplinary sanctions or legal repercussion. It should also be noted that past empirical observations of use-of-force incidents show for an officer with a firearm holstered it takes between 1.8 and 2.5 for a well-trained officer to perform the physical actions which result from the 'moment of threat' and the decision to shoot. When the experts and/or courts come to judge the ICE officers actions they will be legally bound to only consider what happened roughly two seconds before the shooting took place, as well as the events which immediately preceded it.
Good essay. For a non-expert it was a solid attempt at objectivity.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5301842-supreme-court-rules-on-police-force/
"... for an officer with a firearm holstered it takes between 1.8 and 2.5 for a well-trained officer to perform the physical actions which result from the 'moment of threat' and the decision to shoot"
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Agreed. But, Ross drew and fired a LOT faster than that. I suspect that after he walked in front of the car and positioned himself in front of her car, he was just waiting for the car to move forward to give him the excuse to "quick draw" and fire.
See "A fourth camera angle of the shooting obtained by CNN .. "https://censorednews.substack.com/p/the-shooting-of-renee-good.
P.S. 1/17/26 Video analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9R9dAmws6M
2013 PERF 2013 report on CBP use of force https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/PERFReport.pdf
"... it appears that CBP practice allows shooting at the driver of any suspect vehicle that comes in the direction of agents. It is suspected that in many vehicle shooting cases, the subject driver was attempting to flee from the agents who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force. ..."
That's not necessarily true. The decision to shoot to shoot timeframe isn't just about the mechanical process. It's also about natural human reactions times. It's 4-5 seconds from the perception of the car speeding up to shooting. But the draw-fire phase is quick- 1-2 seconds from reach to volley. This is consistent with ICE training.
I'm sorry I should have been clearer in my original comment. The 1.8 to 2.5 seconds includes reaction response as well at the mechanical movements. In lab conditions with highly trained individuals the draw-fire process can be as quick as 0.8 to 1.1 seconds.
Thanks for your additional info. From re-watching the videos, ICE officer Ross's reaction time AND his draw-fire time for his first shot was only about 1 second after the car started it's forward motion (versus the 1.8-2.5 seconds you mentioned above). That's my point. Officer Ross had no "reaction time"; just the 0.8-1.1 seconds draw-fire time you mentioned above. I believe Ross had already decided to draw-fire IF he saw the car begin its forward motion.
I respectfully disagree. This wasn't a murder, this was a tragedy.
Most people imagine the other side are monsters, but what they don't realise is each of the partisan camps have a set of priors which amounts to an ideology in relation to immigration as an issue.
Both sides are incorrect in some aspects of their priors. The Rights get it wrong on illegal immigrants/undocumented workers and crime. The Left gets it wrong on the economic harms caused to blue collar Americans by labour competition. What complicates matters is some of the costs are hidden. For every 1 dollar lost through wage loss or stagnation, 2 dollars are lost through housing costs, principally housing and rents.
It's not really being broadcast widely in the media, but in the first 5-7 after Trump took office, 1.4 million migrants were deported or self-deported, with the vast majority self-deporting. In the same period, 2 million Americans re-entered the workforce. The rate at which blue collar pay increased above the rate of inflation was the highest its been since the category was invented in 1965. Here's a clip by a Nobel economist which lays out the broad case in around 3 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRBsDcHoWZU
And contrary to popular economic myths, blue collar Americans getting higher wages didn't really add much to inflation- only around 0.1-0.4 points. This a real departure from the experience of the seventies.
What we should be doing is funding an expansion of universities in the developing world, and then telling kids that if they want to come to the West they need to get qualified in areas of education which Western populations don't want to study. This would have the added benefit of increasing economic growth in the least economically developed countries. The data shows that only around 20% of graduates ultimately come to the West. This type of education-based migration is a net benefit for both countries.
"I respectfully disagree. This wasn't a murder, this was a tragedy. Most people imagine the other side are monsters ..."
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We'll have to respectfully disagree on the intent of ICE officer Ross. At best, I think this was a "bad shoot" that might be technically legal (e.g. "I feared for my life" excuse) but terrible police work.
I agree this was a tragedy. Neither "side" in this incident behaved well and both contributed to the fatal shooting. Yelling, profanity, and insults by both sides just raises tempers and escalates these sort of situations. I would like to see more respect shown by both sides during protests.
Imagining the "other side are monsters" just leads to more violence. i worked as an urban firefighter for 30 years and have seen many episodes where both citizens and cops have behaved badly, reacting to the other's bad behavior. But, officers should be "the adults in the room," be held to a higher standard, and should be the ones seeking to de-escalate. That certainly didn't occur in this situation and led to the fatal shooting.
Firefighter. That's cool. An acquaintance of mine is a crew manager. We're a fair bit more rural. Lot's of traffic accidents. There used to be a doctor at our local surgery whose main specialism was emergency callouts.
The local fire crews used to call him Joe 90 (a puppet character by the same people who made Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet, Stingray, etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9UOqhdHmqE
I agree with you on the de-escalation point. As I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there has been a real drop in applicant numbers of policing roles. This presents a real problem, because in the past PDs used to use the high numbers to screen out temperamentally unsuitable candidates. Lowering academic credentials in one thing, but accepting lower intelligence recruits with problems of emotional stability means policing is only going to get worse. A lot worse.
I've said in other places that the ICE officers actions weren't ideal with hindsight. That being said, the ICE officers were legally empowered to arrest Renee Good. Obstructing or interfering with an ICE officer negates the normal rule that they aren't allowed to interfere with or arrest and detain citizens. With hindsight, it was perfectly feasible to wait until later, and arrest her at her home. Some police forces already take this approach with protests where activists cross the line into illegal behaviour. Less likely to rile up a crowd.
Ross has been with ICE since 2015. Before that he was with the U.S. Border Patrol, who he joined in 2007. He was also an Iraq veteran. His roles included fugitive operations, firearms instruction, Special Response Team (ICE's SWAT equivalent), and even as an FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force member.
The SWAT experience explains the quick fire-draw response. SWAT-trained individuals obviously perform better at this task.
To be honest I expected this problem to occur with one of the recent recruits. 55% of ICE are recent hires, and they've shortened the training window from 6 months to 8 weeks.
and thanks for the professional analysis.
Isn't it lawful to PEACEFULLY protest? Our kids have grown up watching "protests" that are anything but, as the media has covered and reported literal criminal activity as normalized protests in our country, and it is sickening. As a mother of 2 young women, I am tired of the normalization of poor behavior in our society BY adults and the media! The kids are watching and being inundated with it on their social media and it is intentional. As I told my girls, I am very sorry that Ms. Good lost her life, but everyone makes choices in life and she is not a woman I would want you to emulate.
John,
In respectful disagreement to part of your synopsis, I think that it is not fully clear that there was an opportunity that the ICE agent "could have jumped completely clear." Watching the footing of the two officers who physically interacted with the car reveals very slippery conditions (their feet slide on the ice). There is a nonzero probability that any quick movement would lead to a fall.
And falling, while standing right in front of an accelerating vehicle, can get you run over.
Also, in the split-second reaction, the threat of deterrence may have been what ran through the ICE agent's mind -- i.e., a driver may cease-and-desist (may stop hitting the gas) upon seeing a gun pointed at them.
You talk about bias and yet assume she was trying to flee and was hysterical. I don’t see anything to indicate that. Maybe she was trying to flee after 1. Using her vehicle to disrupt traffic and 2. Disobeying several lawful commands to get out of the vehicle. Or maybe she was trying to run over an ICE officer. In either case it’s not the officer’s job to get out of the way of a fleeing suspect. It’s the citizen’s job, in a law abiding society, to obey the officer’s lawful commands and to let the judge decide, not to flee and possibly put others at risk by your purposely disruptive actions.
Part of the problem is the mayor and governor who were inciting violence. These woman and those involved in the mostly peaceful protests are not only manipulated but roused into frenzied fury- unable to make calm and intelligent decisions. Pelosi and Harris were on national tv both saying the mostly peaceful protests should continue until they get what they want. What exactly did they want? What exactly did Ms. Good want? And why is it they are not peaceful in their protests? Because the so called leaders are encouraging them to behave like animals instead of a thoughtful human being. As far as the ice agent that shot her- his life is altered in a tragic way. I doubt he ever thought he would have to use deadly force to protect himself, enforce the law, or protect others. How tragic it is to see all the lives ruined by govt. officials who are enjoying the division and chaos. When will people like Ms.Good become rational enough to make better decisions and see both sides?!
. . . they become rational. hmmmm.
Ah. another missive from John "Dirty Harry" Leake. Mr. ".44 magnum" was ready to shoot it out with potential robbers because law enforcement in Dallas failed to respond the way he wanted. But when a Federal officer shoots a crazed lezzie trying to run him over, then that's somehow wrong? What kind of twisted morals is that?
Baltimore Police Officer Amy Caprio, a white woman, was run down by a black man, Dawnta Harris in 2018. Harris was driving a stolen Jeep. She drew her pistol and ordered Harris out of the Jeep multiple times. When Harris accelerated at her, she did not fire her pistol and was run down and killed. Her bodycam footage confirms those facts. If she had killed Harris, would she be a racist cop? Should the ICE officer have let the crazed lezzie kill him?
Hey people, making poor life choices doesn't make you a victim. It just shows your stupidity, and stupid can get you killed. You wanna be a revolutionary and fight the man, go right ahead but be prepared to die.
Tim Pool does a good job going frame by frame through video footage. Officer was initially on right front side of car (from driver's perspective). By backing up, Goode put him in front of the car. She then put the car in drive and actually struck the officer (assault with a deadly weapon). Completely justified shooting.
Tim Poor is a pretentious idiot. Can't stand him but I agree with his analysis in this.
See my other comment. Ross walked in front of the car as it was reversing and then stopped facing it. See "A fourth camera angle of the shooting obtained by CNN ..."https://censorednews.substack.com/p/the-shooting-of-renee-good. From this angle, it doesn't appear he was struck as he was to the side of the car when he fired.
P.S. 1/17/26 NYT Video Analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9R9dAmws6M
Your interpretation of the event and her intent is very problematical and speculative. If we did not have illegal aliens in our country this might never have happened.
This is the bottom line in this incident…if we didn’t have all these illegals in our country and citizens….working against law enforcement….to do their duty….this may have never happened!
These are often paid provocateurs…working against the law of the land just for a few extra bucks! This is criminal enterprise! Dangerous business…as a result people get killed!
The lure of filthy lurker….causes many…. to break the law…. putting themselves and others in harms way!
There exists no rule of law anymore. The police follow orders that are often skewed, prejudicially biased, political and even criminal. I refer here to CanCUCKistan, the shi*hole of the world. American officers, Sheriffs Departments, State Troopers, etc not to mention border guards have all been observed by me and interactively judged as open, amenable, fair and proper. But up here the police have shot dead an unarmed, elderly semi retired gunsmith, raped a drunken woman and trampled a disabled elderly woman on her access scooter. They have also lied, deceived, and committed violations of the Criminal Code of Canada, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Bill of Rights, and conspired with the prejudicially biased courts filled with turdo appointed judges who are so wokist wankers that a fair trial is not at all possible. Statist fascist liars in disorganizations like the bigoted HRC add to the crimes of the CYSTem and conspire by use of lies to target anyone who they have a knot in their face towards.
I am sympathetic to the American constabulary based on over a decade of experiential interaction with many of them who no fault I have ever found with any of them. Thus idiots getting shot for endangering the well being of ICE and other agencies deserve what they get.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown. It is helpful.
ICE is acting like an invading and occupying military force, masked and armed, loosed upon a hostile population. Very much like the way the US military acted after the invasion and destruction of Iraq. How many times did US soldiers shoot and kill families in cars at roadblocks, after shouting instructions the driver couldn't understand? Always "perceiving" they were in danger? It's not surprising to learn that the ICE agent who shot Renee Good served in Iraq, part of that criminal invasion. This is imperialist thuggery, come home to roost. However mistaken she may have been in her reaction, shooting her in the head was beyond absurd. The agent could have jumped out of the way. John is right: if ICE wanted to arrest her, that could have easily been done later. Renee Good no more deserved to die than did Ashley Babbitt.
You are either intentionally deceiving or criminally insane.. Babbitt was not threatening the killer with a 4000lb weapon, nor any other... Nor did the killer make any attempt to order her to change course. So stuff your lying claim. TTYNA
And Roseanne Boyland was no threat when she was bludgeoned to death by officer Lila Morris. There were never any charges against that officer. That would not have fit the Demonrat narrative.
Good was clearly trying to drive away. She wasn't intending to run over anybody. John is more clear-headed on this, despite his stated antipathy toward her. The masked gunman not only killed her, but put others at risk as her vehicle then headed down the road uncontrolled. What should have been a traffic management issue got turned into murder, for no good reason whatsoever.
Regardless of her intention, which nobody but her knows, trying to drive away with an officer standing in front of her vehicle is attempted murder. She got what she deserved.
So, ask yourself this.
WHY did she make the decision to leave her lesbo partner on the street hanging out to dry in that instant. That woman can be seen in the video trying to get in the right side door and in the photos above you can see her foot up in the air -- off the ground. In one instant Goode chose to quickly dump her and drive directly at the cop in front of her while another cop is yelling at her to get OUT.
She made that decision quite decisively and not in the mode of "Oh, I will just drive away quietly." So, you say no intention to run him over . . . uh, no.
She was being shouted at by armed masked men, as well as by her partner. She panicked. The ICEman had time to draw his gun. As John points out, that was enough time for him to step out of the way. Shooting into the car, and then stepping around to the side to blast Renee Good in the head with another two shots - with "fucking bitch!" being heard on video from the scene - is not the action of a reasonable, trained officer. It's the action of an invader, much like the way US forces acted in Iraq.
Plus her partner can be heard yelling, "Drive, baby, drive." These two women were trained by professional activists who knew they were inducing two mentally challenged women to place themselves in harm's way.
I think Good panicked when the ICE officer came at her and yelled, "Get out of the F'ing car!". And, her partner also shouted "Drive baby, drive! She was reacting, not thinking.
Ross was not in front of her car when she reversed. He walked in front of the car and stopped in front of it. "A fourth camera angle of the shooting obtained by CNN ... "https://censorednews.substack.com/p/the-shooting-of-renee-good.
P.S. 1/17/26 NYT video analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9R9dAmws6M
your link contains Megan Kelley's review of the last seconds and it is obvious AND she points it OUT:
Good ran directly into the officer.
Deadly weapon in use against law enforcement.
Period.
Even if a person isn't deliberately attempting murder, if they kill someone, it's negligent homicide, which would have been the charge if she succeeded to kill the officer.
This seems to be missing from most of these discussions.
The LEO did not have to reach the conclusion that she was intending to physically kill him; it was enough that she handled the vehicle recklessly with him in front of it for him to fear for his life.
And as John Leake points out in this post: in the time he drew his gun, he could have gotten out of the way. No: what we have here is a jumped-up masked goon relishing his power over life and death. There are 3000 ICE agents in Minneapolis, almost five times more than the police force of the city. This is an armed invasion.
He MAY have been able to jump out of the way if she was merely driving in his direction without the intent of striking him. Had she been resolved to strike him, it is not clear that he could have jumped to a place she could not have reached with the vehicle.
She never made clear what her intentions were at the time.
So true. Inability to discern differences.
Do you have any idea how many criminal illegals Biden let in?? You're defending these criminals.. https://twitchy.com/brettt/2026/01/10/ice-provides-a-list-of-the-most-egregious-criminal-aliens-theyve-arrested-in-minnesota-n2423794?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=slider It's essential for ICE to apprehend and remove them from our country.
Ah, the invading force comes from Somali. You might have missed that vital fact. And, you might have missed the role that drug cartels play as invading forces.
Bullshit. There aren't 3000 armed, masked Somalis roaming the streets of Minneapolis, grabbing people off the street, or bashing in doors of houses. Pour some water over your head. Fever dreams are doing you in.
I know you are trying to be nasty. But, in fact, now that you bring up the point, there are over 3000 Somalis roaming the streets of Minneapolis committing crimes. I'm afraid the fever dream is all yours...
Stop pulling nonsense out of your butt. There are NOT 3000 Somalis roaming the streets of Minneapolis committing crimes.
https://willshetterly.substack.com/p/ice-is-teaching-americans-to-fear
Get your head out of your butt. Just because you cannot see does not mean that others also cannot see. Maybe you could refund the 9 billion stolen from the taxpayers. Maybe you can shut down the crime wave in Minneapolis, including the rampant fraud. Keep dreaming.
I think we have to wait for accident reconstruction experts and forensic pathologists to determine cause and manner of death. Of course, until that time, everyone is an expert. Even liberal arts majors who would not be allowed to apply to Medical School. W. Manion, MDPhDJDMBA Medical Examiner Forensic Pathologist, retired.
I suspect that the icy road condition would be an added challenge to that forensic investigation.
Very good. You are absolutely correct and accident reconstruction experts will note the wheels were spinning and the engine revving and louder as the vehicle moved or lurched forward. Why in the world do people block police and ICE agents trying to do their job? Why? Don’t you think bad things will happen? Who is paying these protestors to come out in subzero temperatures? Don’t any of these people have a job? We must investigate the Millionare Billionaire oligarchs funding the anti-Trump Trump Derangement Syndrome Mass Hysteria in Minnesota. How much is George Soros, Reid Hoffman, JD Pritzker, George Soros Jr, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Ackman etc contributing to the anti-Christian anti-Catholic Democrats who hate Donald Trump and Trump’s successes. Successes of closing the border, lowering illegal immigrant entry, lowering crime, lowering taxes, no taxes on tips, no taxes on Social Security, reforming credit card debt, etc. Please register to vote Republican this fall to keep our Country improving and helping our young people, retired and working families. W. Manion, MDPhDJDMBA
WELL said!
This analysis misses the salient point. These anti-ICE operations are organized and well-funded. You're not thinking hard enough if you think the objective is street theater or even getting ICE out of Minneapolis.
Yes, distracting from and slowing/derailing fraud investigations is a priority at the moment but the primary target is Trump. It really is "let me count the ways" since the list is long of foreign powers, adversaries and purported allies alike, that are increasingly desperate to disrupt his momentum.
After the incident, both Frey and Walz wanted brownie points for having said injury or death was inevitable unless ICE would "get the fuck out," as Frey put it. This is like the son who pleads for mercy at his murder trial as an orphan.
If you don't think this op was well thought out and planned out, even if waiting a lucky break in the nonstop throws of the dice, then you will have to explain the strange behavior of those present, so-called protesters and media alike.
The good news is that Trump won't sacrifice this officer either in the immediate or in a slow tightening investigative vise. The bad news is that this woman is dead and the foreign and domestic anti-Trump alignment won this round.
The primary responsibility for policing the "hysterical woman" should fall to the local police. How many traffic laws had she and others dangerously violated throughout the morning as they harassed ICE officers. Yet the abdication of responsible policing by the local police has created the very dangerous situation which resulted in this stupid woman's tragic death. Certainly her irrational and dangerous actions are the primary cause but had the local police done their job she would have been off the street well before the tragic events occurred. Many of the dangerous situations would be avoided if law enforcement would turn over illegal aliens with detainers to ICE instead of releasing them into the public.
The politicians who have refused to let the police do their jobs and actively obstruct the enforcement of legitimate federal immigration law are to blame for making a difficult situation far worse. As is evident in their statements, they choose to inflame the situation for political gain and care little for the safety of the public or law enforcement personnel.
probably one of the most important points made here today.