A randomized controlled trial found that adding 75g IV vitamin C to chemotherapy doubled median survival compared with chemotherapy alone — in one of the deadliest cancers known.
They still died . It's highly unlikely that VItamin C alone would do better. Pancreatic cancer has always been a tough one. Still, it's interesting, and simply needs to be replicated. There is little downside to adding high doses Vitamin C (there are some potential ones, but you're dealing with desperate people)
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
On alternatives... I once saw a note to a research team doing the IV-C stuff for Riordan IIRC, from a pharmacokinetic researcher on C [Steve Hickey in England] in which he had gotten a patient up to the IV-target concentration USING LIPOSOMAL C... about 39 one-gram doses, so much less cost AND the liposomal naturally has the extension-high built-in automatically.... no clue beyond that note in a research paper... I tested taking about half that amount but spaced 5 min apart, so no idea how taking them all at once would be like....
AND maybe more importantly, not requiring an MD or ND....or expensive gizmos...
A LOT of pills to take, however. I tried it once and 5 grams resulted in . . . never mind.
However, FWIW, I shocked my anti-Vitamin C doctor (whom I otherwise loved) with this story. One summer, LONG AGO, my allergies were so bad that I began to wheeze daily. I had heard about vitamin C re: asthma, but a friend cautioned me that the stomach has to get accustomed to large doses. I began with 1 gram on Day One, 2 grams on Day Two, and incremented by 1 gr daily until I reached 11 grams. That day I STOPPED wheezing. I reversed course, decrementing by 1 g per day. I have never wheezed again, not even during several bouts of covid.
Whoa... what we buy in bulk are fundamentals.. crystals for AA and SA, but a powder form for AP....
AND... I don't take any doses larger than about 2g at a time...
INSTEAD...
I mix jars [24oz milk-cocoa w 8g SA] and [24oz fruit juice w 12g AA as well as my B3 in bulk too] and keep them in the fridge... about 8 swallows of the juice is about 2g for example].... in practice, the milk-C seems wanted for 'comfort-seeking' moments and the juice-C when some 'spark' drink is wanted.... Those are about a day's worth [for my age and needs]
We also keep a jar [w 1/2 tsp measuring spoon and a mix of SA and AP] set on the table where we eat, and simply sprinkle a spoonful over buttery veggies, pasta, fish, whatever.... adding another 2g each mealtime.....
It's that simple and pleasant...
I'm glad you had success with your pill strategy for isolated crises hopefully..
I rigged my system after wondering what Libby&Stone's protocol for escaping horrible addictions tasted like... For each patient they arranged a quart of milk each morning with the number of TABLESPOONS of SA in, to match the patient's ''drug'' stage being overcome,... starting treatment with 4-6Tblsp to get the poisons out of them and sanity returned, then ending with an ongoing daily quart-w-2Tblsp as their ultimate daily dose ....[trial test was 30days and success was 100%].....
So I tried a half 'ultimate' daily dose and added cocoa [good stem cells] ... ok.. so food was next as well as sublingual experimenting and saw how much closer to an animal's continuous C-production this was... Wouldn't go back any more...
There are naturopaths that specialize in intravenous medicine.. Check the database of naturopaths... In Ohio, I had to cross into IN to find one if I needed it, since IV-C has other applications than cancer.... ttyl
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
I wish it were that simple. Oral absorption max is out around 10 g a day and then you get diarrhea. Only IV levels (around 75g in the study) gets you the tissue peroxide levels that kill the cancer.
When I had active CoViD variants, a gram every half hour did not give me diarrhea. My tolerance is 300 mg per day when healthy. Consider me a black swan if you like.
High-dose vitamin C infusions are available from naturopaths. I know someone taking it after prostate cancer surgery. It is instead of, not in addition to, chemo. He is doing very well.
"...something previous trials missed by under-dosing." Yep, and the under-dosing is frequently intentional. Ways to bury the promising effects of unpatentable natural therapies:
--under-dose
--ignore shelf life (e.g. give 2 years' worth echinacea to participants when shelf life is 6 months)
--ignore chirality and pretend D- and L- forms are the same
--have participants take pills every *other* day thus destroying compliance
--use a placebo that is not a placebo and then declare "no difference" when both groups improve
--use the wrong cultivar entirely when studying an herbal remedy
--ignore water vs fat solubility
--instruct participants to take the supplement with or without food in opposition to what's best
--use the crappiest form of a mineral, e.g. calcium carbonate instead of calcium citrate
I could go on. Harvard studies are some of the worst offenders, it's like Harvard research exists just to grandstand as the Be All End All study funded by millions of dollars and then they do it wrong. I spent my first two years on PubMed slapping my forehead thinking "Why can they not get *someone* who's knowledgeable about alternative health to work with them on these studies??" And then I realized... they have to do a lit review for the grant proposal so.... everything I've read... they should have read. And they're not dumb at Harvard. It's on purpose.
Thanks. Lot of Vitamin C has dextrose or sugar in it. Should we just for for 100% ascorbic acid? Also look up on Google Maps and you will find TONS of clinics that give IV Vitamin C.
We just get the real stuff -- ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate [salt version] or ascorbyl palmitate [oil soluble version] -- from a bulk supplier like Bulk supplements in NV... ttyl
Nope.. to simulate an IV-C, we'd have to try Hickey's liposomal method..
Our use of vit-C itself [mentioned bought in bulk] is for high-divided dosing to emulate the level of C in all the animal kingdom --where their bodies produce it at such levels naturally [except we primates, guinae pigs and fruitbats] in their livers mostly, some in kidneys.... goats [about our size] normally produce about 500mg per hour [total 13,000mg per day]... hence the plan is bulk buying... ttyl
Just finished finished Thomas Levy’s book Curing the Incurable it’s all about Vit C interesting timing a great read and correlates with so many cures and adjuncts
My spouse just lost a relative to pancreatic cancer. We and other friends tried to get her to consider IV-C. Instead, she asked her famous doctors if that would be acceptable. Of course not. It might interfere with their clearly ineffective poisonings, er, chemo. A few weeks later, she died.
Why do the truly desperate refuse to try something otherwise harmless and potentially helpful, just because the medical establishment squelches it?
It is hard to understand the human mind, but this reminds me of the old story about the guy on the rooftop in the flood. He was praying loudly. Along came a boat and offered a rescue. 'No, God will save me,' said the man. Next came a helicopter. Again the man refused. Finally an airplane with a dangling rope ladder. 'No, God will save me.' The man drowned, of course, and upon entry to heaven, asked: "Lord, I prayed loudly. Why didn't you save me?"
And the Lord said, "I sent you a boat, a helicopter, and a plane. What were you waiting for?"
15 years too late for my Dad, God rest his soul. Conventional doctors wouldn’t do anything for him bc he wouldn’t take their poison. They instead gave him a death sentence of 7 months, and that’s how long he “lived”. It was like watching in real-time one of the characters in Stephen Kings “Thinner”. He went from 235 lbs down to about 145. A Doctor in NYC with a promising alternative treatment rejected my Dads application for treatment bc his advanced stage threatened the doctors stats.
Many years ago I read The Anatomy of an Illness by Normal Cousins, and have been a fan of Vitamin C since then. Despite all the current interest in Vitamin D and other supplements, if I was only allowed to take ONE supplement, it would be Vitamin C. Hands down.
Now if they would add the fever-benefits that the Japanese are exploring, including a few favoring far-infrared [Yoshimizu using Biomat] to boost natural immune functions in order to reduce chemo dosing side effects completely [needed here] ......
I also suspect the patient would benefit from more extensive work on intravenous-C for cancer since Riordan's clinic does a 2 stage IV b/c with an initial faster speed to reach the level toxic to cancer, then followed by a much slower infusing IV that only focused on keeping the level up, not pushing further, since effectiveness was improved by extending the LENGTH of time at top... TTYL
Another clinic is the naturopathic NatureWORKSbest in AZ, which does infusions, diet and other natural stuff AND PUBLISHES RESULTS to defeat the suppression elsewhere.. As I recall, her success rate is 80%... And with data to back it up, for all to learn from... but I don't recall if she describes the C infusion rates, but she gets the results worth having.. ttyl
TRUTH AND FACTS FINALLY BREAKING OUT FASTER THAN THE SATANIC EVIL !)STARD WEF/WHO/POLITICIANS/MSM/COPS/COUNCILS/DOCTORS/MEDICS/SATAN GATES PHARMA CULT ANUSES CAN PLUG THIR HOLES!!?
interestingly a clinic in Russia found that fasting for a day or two before receiving conventional chemotherapy "treatment" had positive outcomes. I wonder if chemo was required or desired, if adding vitamin c IV *and* fasting before would result in even better results?
Now do a study of vitamin C only without the chemo.
Yes, but some things work synergistically.
Exactly what I was thinking.
They still died . It's highly unlikely that VItamin C alone would do better. Pancreatic cancer has always been a tough one. Still, it's interesting, and simply needs to be replicated. There is little downside to adding high doses Vitamin C (there are some potential ones, but you're dealing with desperate people)
Good luck finding a place to give it and paying out-of-pocket for it because no insurance will cover it.
Try college towns, you can find alternative practitioners there often, though I imagine it depends on the state you're in.
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
On alternatives... I once saw a note to a research team doing the IV-C stuff for Riordan IIRC, from a pharmacokinetic researcher on C [Steve Hickey in England] in which he had gotten a patient up to the IV-target concentration USING LIPOSOMAL C... about 39 one-gram doses, so much less cost AND the liposomal naturally has the extension-high built-in automatically.... no clue beyond that note in a research paper... I tested taking about half that amount but spaced 5 min apart, so no idea how taking them all at once would be like....
AND maybe more importantly, not requiring an MD or ND....or expensive gizmos...
TTYL
A LOT of pills to take, however. I tried it once and 5 grams resulted in . . . never mind.
However, FWIW, I shocked my anti-Vitamin C doctor (whom I otherwise loved) with this story. One summer, LONG AGO, my allergies were so bad that I began to wheeze daily. I had heard about vitamin C re: asthma, but a friend cautioned me that the stomach has to get accustomed to large doses. I began with 1 gram on Day One, 2 grams on Day Two, and incremented by 1 gr daily until I reached 11 grams. That day I STOPPED wheezing. I reversed course, decrementing by 1 g per day. I have never wheezed again, not even during several bouts of covid.
Whoa... what we buy in bulk are fundamentals.. crystals for AA and SA, but a powder form for AP....
AND... I don't take any doses larger than about 2g at a time...
INSTEAD...
I mix jars [24oz milk-cocoa w 8g SA] and [24oz fruit juice w 12g AA as well as my B3 in bulk too] and keep them in the fridge... about 8 swallows of the juice is about 2g for example].... in practice, the milk-C seems wanted for 'comfort-seeking' moments and the juice-C when some 'spark' drink is wanted.... Those are about a day's worth [for my age and needs]
We also keep a jar [w 1/2 tsp measuring spoon and a mix of SA and AP] set on the table where we eat, and simply sprinkle a spoonful over buttery veggies, pasta, fish, whatever.... adding another 2g each mealtime.....
It's that simple and pleasant...
I'm glad you had success with your pill strategy for isolated crises hopefully..
I rigged my system after wondering what Libby&Stone's protocol for escaping horrible addictions tasted like... For each patient they arranged a quart of milk each morning with the number of TABLESPOONS of SA in, to match the patient's ''drug'' stage being overcome,... starting treatment with 4-6Tblsp to get the poisons out of them and sanity returned, then ending with an ongoing daily quart-w-2Tblsp as their ultimate daily dose ....[trial test was 30days and success was 100%].....
So I tried a half 'ultimate' daily dose and added cocoa [good stem cells] ... ok.. so food was next as well as sublingual experimenting and saw how much closer to an animal's continuous C-production this was... Wouldn't go back any more...
ttyl
Could you explain your abbreviations? SA, AA, and AP.
Thanks.
There are naturopaths that specialize in intravenous medicine.. Check the database of naturopaths... In Ohio, I had to cross into IN to find one if I needed it, since IV-C has other applications than cancer.... ttyl
Please, please. Where in IN?
Holistic Family Medicine Practice and Healing Center in Sellersburg IN.
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
See note above on the use of liposomal C instead, to get around all those obstacles... We need more data from Steve Hickey... ttyl
Or just take a gram orally every half hour.
I wish it were that simple. Oral absorption max is out around 10 g a day and then you get diarrhea. Only IV levels (around 75g in the study) gets you the tissue peroxide levels that kill the cancer.
When I had active CoViD variants, a gram every half hour did not give me diarrhea. My tolerance is 300 mg per day when healthy. Consider me a black swan if you like.
Pretty reasonable here in Houston. we can even get chelation.
actually there are 3 places I am aware of, one in Germany, one in Russia, and one in Mexico..... cost is another thing....
IV vitamin C shouldn't be that expensive, right? 🤔
High-dose vitamin C infusions are available from naturopaths. I know someone taking it after prostate cancer surgery. It is instead of, not in addition to, chemo. He is doing very well.
"...something previous trials missed by under-dosing." Yep, and the under-dosing is frequently intentional. Ways to bury the promising effects of unpatentable natural therapies:
--under-dose
--ignore shelf life (e.g. give 2 years' worth echinacea to participants when shelf life is 6 months)
--ignore chirality and pretend D- and L- forms are the same
--have participants take pills every *other* day thus destroying compliance
--use a placebo that is not a placebo and then declare "no difference" when both groups improve
--use the wrong cultivar entirely when studying an herbal remedy
--ignore water vs fat solubility
--instruct participants to take the supplement with or without food in opposition to what's best
--use the crappiest form of a mineral, e.g. calcium carbonate instead of calcium citrate
I could go on. Harvard studies are some of the worst offenders, it's like Harvard research exists just to grandstand as the Be All End All study funded by millions of dollars and then they do it wrong. I spent my first two years on PubMed slapping my forehead thinking "Why can they not get *someone* who's knowledgeable about alternative health to work with them on these studies??" And then I realized... they have to do a lit review for the grant proposal so.... everything I've read... they should have read. And they're not dumb at Harvard. It's on purpose.
Thanks. Lot of Vitamin C has dextrose or sugar in it. Should we just for for 100% ascorbic acid? Also look up on Google Maps and you will find TONS of clinics that give IV Vitamin C.
We just get the real stuff -- ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate [salt version] or ascorbyl palmitate [oil soluble version] -- from a bulk supplier like Bulk supplements in NV... ttyl
And then you shoot it up IV by yourself?
Nope.. to simulate an IV-C, we'd have to try Hickey's liposomal method..
Our use of vit-C itself [mentioned bought in bulk] is for high-divided dosing to emulate the level of C in all the animal kingdom --where their bodies produce it at such levels naturally [except we primates, guinae pigs and fruitbats] in their livers mostly, some in kidneys.... goats [about our size] normally produce about 500mg per hour [total 13,000mg per day]... hence the plan is bulk buying... ttyl
I stir Vit C powder into my water. Is powder form as good, or almost, as the liposomal form?
...very different... ttyl
Just finished finished Thomas Levy’s book Curing the Incurable it’s all about Vit C interesting timing a great read and correlates with so many cures and adjuncts
Gotta stop this nonsense man. It’ll catch up to you.
Mostly astroturfed comments here, and straight up loons (this username is for jerking them off).
My spouse just lost a relative to pancreatic cancer. We and other friends tried to get her to consider IV-C. Instead, she asked her famous doctors if that would be acceptable. Of course not. It might interfere with their clearly ineffective poisonings, er, chemo. A few weeks later, she died.
Why do the truly desperate refuse to try something otherwise harmless and potentially helpful, just because the medical establishment squelches it?
It is hard to understand the human mind, but this reminds me of the old story about the guy on the rooftop in the flood. He was praying loudly. Along came a boat and offered a rescue. 'No, God will save me,' said the man. Next came a helicopter. Again the man refused. Finally an airplane with a dangling rope ladder. 'No, God will save me.' The man drowned, of course, and upon entry to heaven, asked: "Lord, I prayed loudly. Why didn't you save me?"
And the Lord said, "I sent you a boat, a helicopter, and a plane. What were you waiting for?"
15 years too late for my Dad, God rest his soul. Conventional doctors wouldn’t do anything for him bc he wouldn’t take their poison. They instead gave him a death sentence of 7 months, and that’s how long he “lived”. It was like watching in real-time one of the characters in Stephen Kings “Thinner”. He went from 235 lbs down to about 145. A Doctor in NYC with a promising alternative treatment rejected my Dads application for treatment bc his advanced stage threatened the doctors stats.
Exactly as Sam said! Good luck finding an oncologist that will add it to your regime!
The medical system has teller us down, they need to start focusing on nutrition and less on medication
Many years ago I read The Anatomy of an Illness by Normal Cousins, and have been a fan of Vitamin C since then. Despite all the current interest in Vitamin D and other supplements, if I was only allowed to take ONE supplement, it would be Vitamin C. Hands down.
Evening Primrose is considerably more effective at preventing and also fighting pancreatic cancer.
Now if they would add the fever-benefits that the Japanese are exploring, including a few favoring far-infrared [Yoshimizu using Biomat] to boost natural immune functions in order to reduce chemo dosing side effects completely [needed here] ......
I also suspect the patient would benefit from more extensive work on intravenous-C for cancer since Riordan's clinic does a 2 stage IV b/c with an initial faster speed to reach the level toxic to cancer, then followed by a much slower infusing IV that only focused on keeping the level up, not pushing further, since effectiveness was improved by extending the LENGTH of time at top... TTYL
Does anyone else do what Levy calls a 'push' injection for Vit. C other than Riordan? Are there any other clinics?
Thanks for reply.
Another clinic is the naturopathic NatureWORKSbest in AZ, which does infusions, diet and other natural stuff AND PUBLISHES RESULTS to defeat the suppression elsewhere.. As I recall, her success rate is 80%... And with data to back it up, for all to learn from... but I don't recall if she describes the C infusion rates, but she gets the results worth having.. ttyl
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https://youtu.be/FMQPNNtpcGM?si=2msrjM-zsqNozCxF
TRUTH AND FACTS FINALLY BREAKING OUT FASTER THAN THE SATANIC EVIL !)STARD WEF/WHO/POLITICIANS/MSM/COPS/COUNCILS/DOCTORS/MEDICS/SATAN GATES PHARMA CULT ANUSES CAN PLUG THIR HOLES!!?
interestingly a clinic in Russia found that fasting for a day or two before receiving conventional chemotherapy "treatment" had positive outcomes. I wonder if chemo was required or desired, if adding vitamin c IV *and* fasting before would result in even better results?