A randomized controlled trial found that adding 75g IV vitamin C to chemotherapy doubled median survival compared with chemotherapy alone — in one of the deadliest cancers known.
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
On alternatives... I once saw a note to a research team doing the IV-C stuff for Riordan IIRC, from a pharmacokinetic researcher on C [Steve Hickey in England] in which he had gotten a patient up to the IV-target concentration USING LIPOSOMAL C... about 39 one-gram doses, so much less cost AND the liposomal naturally has the extension-high built-in automatically.... no clue beyond that note in a research paper... I tested taking about half that amount but spaced 5 min apart, so no idea how taking them all at once would be like....
AND maybe more importantly, not requiring an MD or ND....or expensive gizmos...
There are naturopaths that specialize in intravenous medicine.. Check the database of naturopaths... In Ohio, I had to cross into IN to find one if I needed it, since IV-C has other applications than cancer.... ttyl
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
I wish it were that simple. Oral absorption max is out around 10 g a day and then you get diarrhea. Only IV levels (around 75g in the study) gets you the tissue peroxide levels that kill the cancer.
When I had active CoViD variants, a gram every half hour did not give me diarrhea. My tolerance is 300 mg per day when healthy. Consider me a black swan if you like.
High-dose vitamin C infusions are available from naturopaths. I know someone taking it after prostate cancer surgery. It is instead of, not in addition to, chemo. He is doing very well.
Thanks. Lot of Vitamin C has dextrose or sugar in it. Should we just for for 100% ascorbic acid? Also look up on Google Maps and you will find TONS of clinics that give IV Vitamin C.
We just get the real stuff -- ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate [salt version] or ascorbyl palmitate [oil soluble version] -- from a bulk supplier like Bulk supplements in NV... ttyl
Just finished finished Thomas Levy’s book Curing the Incurable it’s all about Vit C interesting timing a great read and correlates with so many cures and adjuncts
"...something previous trials missed by under-dosing." Yep, and the under-dosing is frequently intentional. Ways to bury the promising effects of unpatentable natural therapies:
--under-dose
--ignore shelf life (e.g. give 2 years' worth echinacea to participants when shelf life is 6 months)
--ignore chirality and pretend D- and L- forms are the same
--have participants take pills every *other* day thus destroying compliance
--use a placebo that is not a placebo and then declare "no difference" when both groups improve
--use the wrong cultivar entirely when studying an herbal remedy
--ignore water vs fat solubility
--instruct participants to take the supplement with or without food in opposition to what's best
--use the crappiest form of a mineral, e.g. calcium carbonate instead of calcium citrate
I could go on. Harvard studies are some of the worst offenders, it's like Harvard research exists just to grandstand as the Be All End All study funded by millions of dollars and then they do it wrong. I spent my first two years on PubMed slapping my forehead thinking "Why can they not get *someone* who's knowledgeable about alternative health to work with them on these studies??" And then I realized... they have to do a lit review for the grant proposal so.... everything I've read... they should have read. And they're not dumb at Harvard. It's on purpose.
15 years too late for my Dad, God rest his soul. Conventional doctors wouldn’t do anything for him bc he wouldn’t take their poison. They instead gave him a death sentence of 7 months, and that’s how long he “lived”. It was like watching in real-time one of the characters in Stephen Kings “Thinner”. He went from 235 lbs down to about 145. A Doctor in NYC with a promising alternative treatment rejected my Dads application for treatment bc his advanced stage threatened the doctors stats.
TRUTH AND FACTS FINALLY BREAKING OUT FASTER THAN THE SATANIC EVIL !)STARD WEF/WHO/POLITICIANS/MSM/COPS/COUNCILS/DOCTORS/MEDICS/SATAN GATES PHARMA CULT ANUSES CAN PLUG THIR HOLES!!?
Now if they would add the fever-benefits that the Japanese are exploring, including a few favoring far-infrared [Yoshimizu using Biomat] to boost natural immune functions in order to reduce chemo dosing side effects completely [needed here] ......
I also suspect the patient would benefit from more extensive work on intravenous-C for cancer since Riordan's clinic does a 2 stage IV b/c with an initial faster speed to reach the level toxic to cancer, then followed by a much slower infusing IV that only focused on keeping the level up, not pushing further, since effectiveness was improved by extending the LENGTH of time at top... TTYL
I'm forgetting the name at the moment, but the doctor (Hispanic name) who was curing Pancreatic cancer (IIRC) but got knocked off by parties unknown (?) in the 2010s. What was the protocol he was using?
Now do a study of vitamin C only without the chemo.
Good luck finding a place to give it and paying out-of-pocket for it because no insurance will cover it.
Try college towns, you can find alternative practitioners there often, though I imagine it depends on the state you're in.
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
On alternatives... I once saw a note to a research team doing the IV-C stuff for Riordan IIRC, from a pharmacokinetic researcher on C [Steve Hickey in England] in which he had gotten a patient up to the IV-target concentration USING LIPOSOMAL C... about 39 one-gram doses, so much less cost AND the liposomal naturally has the extension-high built-in automatically.... no clue beyond that note in a research paper... I tested taking about half that amount but spaced 5 min apart, so no idea how taking them all at once would be like....
AND maybe more importantly, not requiring an MD or ND....or expensive gizmos...
TTYL
There are naturopaths that specialize in intravenous medicine.. Check the database of naturopaths... In Ohio, I had to cross into IN to find one if I needed it, since IV-C has other applications than cancer.... ttyl
The main thing that drives practice is who pays for it. Very few People will pay $175 a crack, 2-3 times a week for the rest of their lives. I speak from experience, trying to get it at different infusion centers. Even the place who did the study, the University of Iowa, won’t facilitate patients getting it, even if they pay for it.
See note above on the use of liposomal C instead, to get around all those obstacles... We need more data from Steve Hickey... ttyl
Or just take a gram orally every half hour.
I wish it were that simple. Oral absorption max is out around 10 g a day and then you get diarrhea. Only IV levels (around 75g in the study) gets you the tissue peroxide levels that kill the cancer.
When I had active CoViD variants, a gram every half hour did not give me diarrhea. My tolerance is 300 mg per day when healthy. Consider me a black swan if you like.
Pretty reasonable here in Houston. we can even get chelation.
High-dose vitamin C infusions are available from naturopaths. I know someone taking it after prostate cancer surgery. It is instead of, not in addition to, chemo. He is doing very well.
Thanks. Lot of Vitamin C has dextrose or sugar in it. Should we just for for 100% ascorbic acid? Also look up on Google Maps and you will find TONS of clinics that give IV Vitamin C.
We just get the real stuff -- ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate [salt version] or ascorbyl palmitate [oil soluble version] -- from a bulk supplier like Bulk supplements in NV... ttyl
Just finished finished Thomas Levy’s book Curing the Incurable it’s all about Vit C interesting timing a great read and correlates with so many cures and adjuncts
"...something previous trials missed by under-dosing." Yep, and the under-dosing is frequently intentional. Ways to bury the promising effects of unpatentable natural therapies:
--under-dose
--ignore shelf life (e.g. give 2 years' worth echinacea to participants when shelf life is 6 months)
--ignore chirality and pretend D- and L- forms are the same
--have participants take pills every *other* day thus destroying compliance
--use a placebo that is not a placebo and then declare "no difference" when both groups improve
--use the wrong cultivar entirely when studying an herbal remedy
--ignore water vs fat solubility
--instruct participants to take the supplement with or without food in opposition to what's best
--use the crappiest form of a mineral, e.g. calcium carbonate instead of calcium citrate
I could go on. Harvard studies are some of the worst offenders, it's like Harvard research exists just to grandstand as the Be All End All study funded by millions of dollars and then they do it wrong. I spent my first two years on PubMed slapping my forehead thinking "Why can they not get *someone* who's knowledgeable about alternative health to work with them on these studies??" And then I realized... they have to do a lit review for the grant proposal so.... everything I've read... they should have read. And they're not dumb at Harvard. It's on purpose.
15 years too late for my Dad, God rest his soul. Conventional doctors wouldn’t do anything for him bc he wouldn’t take their poison. They instead gave him a death sentence of 7 months, and that’s how long he “lived”. It was like watching in real-time one of the characters in Stephen Kings “Thinner”. He went from 235 lbs down to about 145. A Doctor in NYC with a promising alternative treatment rejected my Dads application for treatment bc his advanced stage threatened the doctors stats.
Exactly as Sam said! Good luck finding an oncologist that will add it to your regime!
The medical system has teller us down, they need to start focusing on nutrition and less on medication
Evening Primrose is considerably more effective at preventing and also fighting pancreatic cancer.
NEW ZEALAND POISON JAB INJURED SPEAK ON YOUTUBE! NEEDS SHARED FAR AND WIDE!
https://youtu.be/FMQPNNtpcGM?si=2msrjM-zsqNozCxF
TRUTH AND FACTS FINALLY BREAKING OUT FASTER THAN THE SATANIC EVIL !)STARD WEF/WHO/POLITICIANS/MSM/COPS/COUNCILS/DOCTORS/MEDICS/SATAN GATES PHARMA CULT ANUSES CAN PLUG THIR HOLES!!?
Dear Lord!! Have we all forgotten about Linus Pauling's work?
Gotta stop this nonsense man. It’ll catch up to you.
Now if they would add the fever-benefits that the Japanese are exploring, including a few favoring far-infrared [Yoshimizu using Biomat] to boost natural immune functions in order to reduce chemo dosing side effects completely [needed here] ......
I also suspect the patient would benefit from more extensive work on intravenous-C for cancer since Riordan's clinic does a 2 stage IV b/c with an initial faster speed to reach the level toxic to cancer, then followed by a much slower infusing IV that only focused on keeping the level up, not pushing further, since effectiveness was improved by extending the LENGTH of time at top... TTYL
Hat tip Linus Pauling and Tom Levy
I'm forgetting the name at the moment, but the doctor (Hispanic name) who was curing Pancreatic cancer (IIRC) but got knocked off by parties unknown (?) in the 2010s. What was the protocol he was using?