Interestingly, there are hundreds of plants that can eliminate bacterial infections and the toxins they release into the system and help support the immune system so it does its job and help restore damage done once the infection is resolved. AND the bacteria don’t become resistant to the stuff over time. AND if a person is allergic to one pant there are many others that will do the job equally well. I would say the planet and Creator has a better handle on things that can keep us healthy than humans do. We are short-sighted and often financially driven which often blinds us to the problems of the things we so proudly make. The thousands of years of remedies for patterns in a body we’ve come to label “an infection” could be used to our advantage. They are, most of the time, gentle and non-toxic; not expensive; can resolve the problem; and leave us connected with our surroundings in ways pharmaceuticals cannot and never will. I’ve been helping folks resolve bacterial infections without penicillin or other Pharma antibiotics - including STDs for well over 30 years.
I believe the development of penicillin was a significant accomplishment, but I have long suspected that there are other means of resolving many of these illnesses that have been suppressed and downplayed and that the notion that pharmaceuticals were absolutely necessary here is, to one extent or another, overblown.
Homeopathy showed great results treating epidemics that allopathic medicine couldn't touch.
Dr. Fredrick Klenner and others, starting in the 1930's, showed that high doses of Vitamin C safely and effectively treat a great variety of infections. More recently, Marik has developed an effective protocol for sepsis which features Vitamin C.
How much were we REALLY defenseless against these various conditions versus how much were we made vulnerable to them by a merciless allopathic medicine that refused to adopt measures that lied outside its framework?
Precisely. Not to mention good hygiene; better behavior with regard to various appetites we can learn to control; more respectful behavior; and many other lifestyle choices also make a difference. Musical geniuses, or any geniuses for that matter, do not get a “by” on behavior. I don’t wish suffering on anyone. But I also don’t believe in curing and then encouraging the same behavior that got you sick in the first place. Some effective learning can go a long way.
I used Colloidal Silver & gel ice pak on neck/head for COVID 19, (had no Vax, ) After 1.5 days back to eating normally with extra sleep 4 days! Used what I had with knowledge of what saved Ebola patients in Africa!
I was also looking for this comment. After everything weve seen Im having a hard time believing in any of their "miracles" of medicine. If they allow us to have it, theres gotta be something better.
Yes, and to add to your comment, I must question if penicillin is really a pharmaceutical discovery. The process used to produce it initially came from the food industry, after all. Additionally, mold is a natural process discovered by accident that destroys other harmful bacteria. Many of our foods use bacteria.
As a child in the 50’s I was given a penicillin shot often and developed an allergy. Now I’m given erythromycin and tetracycline and can’t help but wonder if those impacted my hearing loss. It was a wonderful life saving medicine but was overused as were the alternatives for those of us who are allergic. Now I try to avoid antibiotics if at all possible.
I received penicillin once @ age 9 (1951)and the MD didn't expect me to live.Terrible reaction!
1986 prescribed erythromycin for blood poisoned arm & writhing on floor like a heart attack after 2nd pill! No drug use since except for 2 hip replacements.(2 days morphine; 1 month blood thinner.) Only use natural nutritionals. Independent living @ 84yrs. Thank God!!
I was allergic to it in the early days given to me for tonsillitis in 1959 but I’ve had it for something else since and no reaction to it. And I’ve taken ivermectin which is similar made from a bacteria and no problems.
The heroes and villains of pharmceuticals. The heroes- short term, effective treatment to get the body back in balance and healthy again- Penicillin, anesthetics, epipens, insulin- all emergency life saving stuff. The villains- all the drugs and treatments which encourage continued normalised pharmaceutical dependency and support the perpetuation of detrimental lifestyles and diets. Very little profit in the former- a life-time customer in the latter.
Though MONEY has always been a great motivator for such discoveries. Sadly, TODAY it is THE MOTIVATOR! This has led to bad "science" cutting corners and flat out fraud for the PROFIT!!
I love your newsletter, Focal Points! Especially, this current one on the history and efficacy of Penicillin!
You've allowed me to ask a question I have been trying to get answered for 75 years. In 1950, at the age of ten, I was playing with some toy soldiers with a friend on his bare, wooden bedroom floor, wearing a pair of shorts. I got a splinter in my left knee and returned home. It was on a Sunday, but my parents drove me to our GP's office in Bronxville, NY. The Doctor examined me and told my parents that if he didn't operate immediately, I might never walk again. I was admitted that Sunday night to St. John's Riverside Hospital in Yonkers, NY. The Doctor operated the next morning to remove the splinter, left an order for the nursing staff to give me a shot of penicillin every three hours, and left for a week's vacation. I received a shot every three hours for a week. The Doctor returned from vacation to find I had been receiving the shots for a week, and immediately halted the shots and released me to my Grandparents' care.
The following morning, while lying in my grandparents' bed, I did what any 10-year-old would do: observing a well-wrapped, bandaged knee, I unwrapped the dressing and examined my knee. I found a little black spot and tugged at it with my little 10-year-old fingers, and pulled out an inch-and-a-half splinter. I rushed into the living room and showed my Grandfather the splinter, saying, "Look what I found in my knee!".... Needless to say, there was a bit of emotion expressed and a visit made to the Doctor's office. As I was told, the Doctor's statement was: "The nursing staff misread my order!" and "Well, at least I got the other half of the splinter! Apparently, nothing ever became of the incident!
For 75 years, I have been asking nearly every medical professional I've met what effect could a person have if they were given a penicillin shot every three hours for seven or so days, some 56 shots (+ or -)? I have never received an answer. I am almost 86 years old, in outstanding physical shape, working full-time, and loving my second career as a professional massage therapist for 40 years, after 24 years as a District Manager at AT&T, and blessed with 42 years of sobriety from alcohol.
Could you or any of your Medical associates know any information that would help me understand if my experience so many years ago would further what is known about the miracle of penicillin?
With many thanks for your consideration of my question,
THe docs are still doing nefarious acts of deception today . I will not go to one . What I don't get is why he said he left half of the splinter in the wound ? I would say he didn't take any of it out and was hoping it would work its way out . disgusting !
Thx for you thoughts, Sharon!...Things were different 75 years ago....I'm just hopeful of gaining the wisdom of those smarter on the subject than I...God Bless you and yours...
I listened to an elderly doctor describing treating pneumonia before penicillin. The doctor would sit by the bed all night and either the fever would break and the patient start to sweat, or else they died. Then this white powder was invented and that all stopped happening. You just took some penicillin and were cured.
It is good to keep in mind that syphilis, before antibiotics, was treated with mercury, which causes so many weird symptoms that once you get it in you, it is hard to tell what is going on.
Exactly. Of course Tertiary Syphilis caused "madness" as well as loss of balance from posterior spinal column nerves that carry proprioception, so the patient often stumbled around and raved incoherently. The old time docs called it Tabes dorsalis--dorsal referring to the location of the nerves affected.
Treatment with mercurous chloride would have just made symptoms worse.
Or it caused those symptoms all together. It is hard to say. I have often wondered if there is data from that Tuskegee experiment that would inform us.
Prior to mercury being used, the classic symptoms of Tabes dorsalis were seen, and after mercury was abandoned, they also were documented.
You might find this history of Syphilis helpful. Misunderstanding in etiology of this disease may have perpetuated wars. Treatment was barbaric, but slowly landed over the target, even prior to penicillin.
Well spoken, Doc. I am a fan of yours. Fascinating history will include your name, for the work you did in the "Covid Era". Thanks for all you've done. (Biomes of the world are grateful to you). God bless you, and 'happy bifida'.
Sorry, I'm not using Artificial Ignorance, so I won't be brief.
I hadn't used antibiotics for 25 years until last year, when I first asked the hospital doctor, who was almost happy to be able to declare that the patient was also refusing antibiotics...
I had to take them because of a very severe urinary tract infection, while I had run out of natural "bullets," meaning I didn't know what else to take.
The antibiotic, one of those for general use, was administered intravenously.
The astonishing result was almost immediate; the fever, which went from 39.5°C (103.2°F) (at the hospital) to 37°C (99.4°F) after 6 hours, with a small rebound to 37°C (99.8°F) only once.
I was completely amazed; I had completely forgotten that it was so simple to lower a fever without the effort of improving it with natural remedies.
Because antibiotics (when effective) also do this: they eliminate any perception of the healing process, or rather the attenuation of the infectious process. In fact, with antibiotics, this becomes a practically asymptomatic process, meaning the main symptom, fever, disappears, while the general condition improves, without us having done anything internally. That is, as I said above, if everything goes well, the result is achieved without any real perception of the internal "process" (to ourselves), nothing like the painstaking improvement that instead occurs with natural remedies.
This, however, saves our lives, but after 80 years of increasingly intensive use of this drug, in addition to the resistance acquired by bacteria to it and allergies, which are two of the worst side effects of the last 20 years, a notable side effect is precisely the lack of experience with our own metabolic processes of improvement, which are absolutely personal.
One could say that the greatest achievement of pharmacological medicine has also been a major defeat: instead of being preserved and effective, it has been so massively abused by doctors, who have total and exclusive control over it, guaranteed by state laws. This has led to one of the most pathological dependencies among patients, both on it and on medical advice. Through their control of this drug, doctors have become the current problem we know, and at the same time, patients have become strangers to themselves.
I believe I can affirm that doctors, with their institutionalized and legalized invasiveness, have effectively impeded (perhaps for centuries) the development of human beings, not only as doctors of themselves, but by impeding their most precious perception—their personal relationship with illness—and the development of their ability to heal themselves.
I don't believe this has led to better people, but rather puppets, accustomed to being told how they feel.
Yes, medicine and pharmaceutical companies have made great strides. Unfortunately, their hubris has convinced them that they are God because of that success. We must never forget to be humble and to respect human life.
Penicillin became the go to for decades. All antibiotics have been overused, often because patients demanded them for non-bacterial complaints and too many physicians acquiesced. It has been discussed that we are approaching a "post antibiotic era" due to resistant bacteria.
Enjoyed the historical perspective and it’s importance John - perhaps one also on ivermectin and the correlation of the two “natural” origins and their broad effectiveness?
But, as an aside, remember the ad: A little dab will do ya! Brylcream.
Get the grey out.
Fast fwd to cosmotechical industry today and 20 yr olds getting various plastic surgery interventions.
PCN also brought with it declining personal responsibility (both individual and MD). Contract STD? Take this pill and go on doing what you do. Or, have a cough or sniffle, take this pill for 7 days and it will cure what ails ya.
Strengthen your health rather then look for a pill fix as go-to / first threatment. Can we say together "safe and effective "?
It is unfortunate, John Leake, that something so good, like researchers finding that penicillin had great use ahead of it, saving lives, that the perversion of PHARMA and the associated greed has tainted the entire picture, vividly displayed in the forcefully mandated use of products that are not efficacious... just profitable. Causing death, by "vaccination" is a long way off from the original goal of saving lives by understanding God's creation and synergy. Pharma has perverted medicine into a pejorative term, casting disdain upon honest, intelligent, serious medical researchers, like those who developed penicillin. I present Peter Hotez as Exhibition "A", representing the filth of modern Pharma.
Actualy, Beecham Pharmaceuticals in the UK was the global leader and innovator in penicillin research and development. It continued to be so through Ampicillin, Methicillin, Cloxacillin, Amoxycillin etc right through to its merger with SmithKline and its ultimate takeover by GlaxoWellcome to create GlaxoSmithKline (GSK).
Big Pharma is no longer interested in antibiotics/antibacterials and no new antibiotic class has been discovered for decades although in view of multiple antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria, new antibiotics are very much needed. This is because a course of antibiotics is typically one week, so there's no money in that. They prefer either cancer drugs, which they can price astronomically, OR long-term therapies such as statins and antihypertensives where they can treat symptoms for life. Cures? No so much.
All generic by now (so not Big Pharma mostly) and are only making the human resistance problem worse. It shouldn't really be allowed - but there it is.
Interestingly, there are hundreds of plants that can eliminate bacterial infections and the toxins they release into the system and help support the immune system so it does its job and help restore damage done once the infection is resolved. AND the bacteria don’t become resistant to the stuff over time. AND if a person is allergic to one pant there are many others that will do the job equally well. I would say the planet and Creator has a better handle on things that can keep us healthy than humans do. We are short-sighted and often financially driven which often blinds us to the problems of the things we so proudly make. The thousands of years of remedies for patterns in a body we’ve come to label “an infection” could be used to our advantage. They are, most of the time, gentle and non-toxic; not expensive; can resolve the problem; and leave us connected with our surroundings in ways pharmaceuticals cannot and never will. I’ve been helping folks resolve bacterial infections without penicillin or other Pharma antibiotics - including STDs for well over 30 years.
I am glad to see this comment.
I believe the development of penicillin was a significant accomplishment, but I have long suspected that there are other means of resolving many of these illnesses that have been suppressed and downplayed and that the notion that pharmaceuticals were absolutely necessary here is, to one extent or another, overblown.
Homeopathy showed great results treating epidemics that allopathic medicine couldn't touch.
Dr. Fredrick Klenner and others, starting in the 1930's, showed that high doses of Vitamin C safely and effectively treat a great variety of infections. More recently, Marik has developed an effective protocol for sepsis which features Vitamin C.
How much were we REALLY defenseless against these various conditions versus how much were we made vulnerable to them by a merciless allopathic medicine that refused to adopt measures that lied outside its framework?
Precisely. Not to mention good hygiene; better behavior with regard to various appetites we can learn to control; more respectful behavior; and many other lifestyle choices also make a difference. Musical geniuses, or any geniuses for that matter, do not get a “by” on behavior. I don’t wish suffering on anyone. But I also don’t believe in curing and then encouraging the same behavior that got you sick in the first place. Some effective learning can go a long way.
ForestDi56 - SAGE insights and reminders!
Colloidal Silver and Black seed oil and CDS does the job on all kind of bacterial infections!! just saying
I used Colloidal Silver & gel ice pak on neck/head for COVID 19, (had no Vax, ) After 1.5 days back to eating normally with extra sleep 4 days! Used what I had with knowledge of what saved Ebola patients in Africa!
Thank God!!
what is CDS?
CDS is chlorine dioxide, amazing product, check with Dr, Andreas Kalcker. it is also known as MMS
I was also looking for this comment. After everything weve seen Im having a hard time believing in any of their "miracles" of medicine. If they allow us to have it, theres gotta be something better.
Yes, and to add to your comment, I must question if penicillin is really a pharmaceutical discovery. The process used to produce it initially came from the food industry, after all. Additionally, mold is a natural process discovered by accident that destroys other harmful bacteria. Many of our foods use bacteria.
Penicillin is great, if you are not allergic to it.
As a child in the 50’s I was given a penicillin shot often and developed an allergy. Now I’m given erythromycin and tetracycline and can’t help but wonder if those impacted my hearing loss. It was a wonderful life saving medicine but was overused as were the alternatives for those of us who are allergic. Now I try to avoid antibiotics if at all possible.
I received penicillin once @ age 9 (1951)and the MD didn't expect me to live.Terrible reaction!
1986 prescribed erythromycin for blood poisoned arm & writhing on floor like a heart attack after 2nd pill! No drug use since except for 2 hip replacements.(2 days morphine; 1 month blood thinner.) Only use natural nutritionals. Independent living @ 84yrs. Thank God!!
I was allergic to it in the early days given to me for tonsillitis in 1959 but I’ve had it for something else since and no reaction to it. And I’ve taken ivermectin which is similar made from a bacteria and no problems.
The heroes and villains of pharmceuticals. The heroes- short term, effective treatment to get the body back in balance and healthy again- Penicillin, anesthetics, epipens, insulin- all emergency life saving stuff. The villains- all the drugs and treatments which encourage continued normalised pharmaceutical dependency and support the perpetuation of detrimental lifestyles and diets. Very little profit in the former- a life-time customer in the latter.
Though MONEY has always been a great motivator for such discoveries. Sadly, TODAY it is THE MOTIVATOR! This has led to bad "science" cutting corners and flat out fraud for the PROFIT!!
Hi, John!
I love your newsletter, Focal Points! Especially, this current one on the history and efficacy of Penicillin!
You've allowed me to ask a question I have been trying to get answered for 75 years. In 1950, at the age of ten, I was playing with some toy soldiers with a friend on his bare, wooden bedroom floor, wearing a pair of shorts. I got a splinter in my left knee and returned home. It was on a Sunday, but my parents drove me to our GP's office in Bronxville, NY. The Doctor examined me and told my parents that if he didn't operate immediately, I might never walk again. I was admitted that Sunday night to St. John's Riverside Hospital in Yonkers, NY. The Doctor operated the next morning to remove the splinter, left an order for the nursing staff to give me a shot of penicillin every three hours, and left for a week's vacation. I received a shot every three hours for a week. The Doctor returned from vacation to find I had been receiving the shots for a week, and immediately halted the shots and released me to my Grandparents' care.
The following morning, while lying in my grandparents' bed, I did what any 10-year-old would do: observing a well-wrapped, bandaged knee, I unwrapped the dressing and examined my knee. I found a little black spot and tugged at it with my little 10-year-old fingers, and pulled out an inch-and-a-half splinter. I rushed into the living room and showed my Grandfather the splinter, saying, "Look what I found in my knee!".... Needless to say, there was a bit of emotion expressed and a visit made to the Doctor's office. As I was told, the Doctor's statement was: "The nursing staff misread my order!" and "Well, at least I got the other half of the splinter! Apparently, nothing ever became of the incident!
For 75 years, I have been asking nearly every medical professional I've met what effect could a person have if they were given a penicillin shot every three hours for seven or so days, some 56 shots (+ or -)? I have never received an answer. I am almost 86 years old, in outstanding physical shape, working full-time, and loving my second career as a professional massage therapist for 40 years, after 24 years as a District Manager at AT&T, and blessed with 42 years of sobriety from alcohol.
Could you or any of your Medical associates know any information that would help me understand if my experience so many years ago would further what is known about the miracle of penicillin?
With many thanks for your consideration of my question,
Russ BornerPO Box 689Croton on Hudson, NY10520(914) 960-9681russborner@gmail.com
THe docs are still doing nefarious acts of deception today . I will not go to one . What I don't get is why he said he left half of the splinter in the wound ? I would say he didn't take any of it out and was hoping it would work its way out . disgusting !
Thx for you thoughts, Sharon!...Things were different 75 years ago....I'm just hopeful of gaining the wisdom of those smarter on the subject than I...God Bless you and yours...
I listened to an elderly doctor describing treating pneumonia before penicillin. The doctor would sit by the bed all night and either the fever would break and the patient start to sweat, or else they died. Then this white powder was invented and that all stopped happening. You just took some penicillin and were cured.
It is good to keep in mind that syphilis, before antibiotics, was treated with mercury, which causes so many weird symptoms that once you get it in you, it is hard to tell what is going on.
Exactly. Of course Tertiary Syphilis caused "madness" as well as loss of balance from posterior spinal column nerves that carry proprioception, so the patient often stumbled around and raved incoherently. The old time docs called it Tabes dorsalis--dorsal referring to the location of the nerves affected.
Treatment with mercurous chloride would have just made symptoms worse.
Or it caused those symptoms all together. It is hard to say. I have often wondered if there is data from that Tuskegee experiment that would inform us.
Prior to mercury being used, the classic symptoms of Tabes dorsalis were seen, and after mercury was abandoned, they also were documented.
You might find this history of Syphilis helpful. Misunderstanding in etiology of this disease may have perpetuated wars. Treatment was barbaric, but slowly landed over the target, even prior to penicillin.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3956094/
Thank you for the article.
An unbelievable achievement which saved so many I remember a great Aunt who lost children in 8 months due to strep infections in 1922
SABINE HAZAN MD
https://twitter.com/SabinehazanMD/status/1609655119359909890
Now here's something most don’t know... While everyone thought a man discovered penicillin, it was a woman behind it.
Well spoken, Doc. I am a fan of yours. Fascinating history will include your name, for the work you did in the "Covid Era". Thanks for all you've done. (Biomes of the world are grateful to you). God bless you, and 'happy bifida'.
Is syphilis treatable with PCN or just thought to be? Here's one who would say the latter:
https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/what-is-syphilis?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=355417&post_id=182609873&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=ql1e3&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Very interesting
Sorry, I'm not using Artificial Ignorance, so I won't be brief.
I hadn't used antibiotics for 25 years until last year, when I first asked the hospital doctor, who was almost happy to be able to declare that the patient was also refusing antibiotics...
I had to take them because of a very severe urinary tract infection, while I had run out of natural "bullets," meaning I didn't know what else to take.
The antibiotic, one of those for general use, was administered intravenously.
The astonishing result was almost immediate; the fever, which went from 39.5°C (103.2°F) (at the hospital) to 37°C (99.4°F) after 6 hours, with a small rebound to 37°C (99.8°F) only once.
I was completely amazed; I had completely forgotten that it was so simple to lower a fever without the effort of improving it with natural remedies.
Because antibiotics (when effective) also do this: they eliminate any perception of the healing process, or rather the attenuation of the infectious process. In fact, with antibiotics, this becomes a practically asymptomatic process, meaning the main symptom, fever, disappears, while the general condition improves, without us having done anything internally. That is, as I said above, if everything goes well, the result is achieved without any real perception of the internal "process" (to ourselves), nothing like the painstaking improvement that instead occurs with natural remedies.
This, however, saves our lives, but after 80 years of increasingly intensive use of this drug, in addition to the resistance acquired by bacteria to it and allergies, which are two of the worst side effects of the last 20 years, a notable side effect is precisely the lack of experience with our own metabolic processes of improvement, which are absolutely personal.
One could say that the greatest achievement of pharmacological medicine has also been a major defeat: instead of being preserved and effective, it has been so massively abused by doctors, who have total and exclusive control over it, guaranteed by state laws. This has led to one of the most pathological dependencies among patients, both on it and on medical advice. Through their control of this drug, doctors have become the current problem we know, and at the same time, patients have become strangers to themselves.
I believe I can affirm that doctors, with their institutionalized and legalized invasiveness, have effectively impeded (perhaps for centuries) the development of human beings, not only as doctors of themselves, but by impeding their most precious perception—their personal relationship with illness—and the development of their ability to heal themselves.
I don't believe this has led to better people, but rather puppets, accustomed to being told how they feel.
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Yes, medicine and pharmaceutical companies have made great strides. Unfortunately, their hubris has convinced them that they are God because of that success. We must never forget to be humble and to respect human life.
I would say use sparingly, and find alternative means if possible. My uncle died of MRSA, an outcome of the widespread use of penicillin.
Penicillin became the go to for decades. All antibiotics have been overused, often because patients demanded them for non-bacterial complaints and too many physicians acquiesced. It has been discussed that we are approaching a "post antibiotic era" due to resistant bacteria.
Enjoyed the historical perspective and it’s importance John - perhaps one also on ivermectin and the correlation of the two “natural” origins and their broad effectiveness?
Great back-story, John. Thx
These stories of "advancement" are important!
But, as an aside, remember the ad: A little dab will do ya! Brylcream.
Get the grey out.
Fast fwd to cosmotechical industry today and 20 yr olds getting various plastic surgery interventions.
PCN also brought with it declining personal responsibility (both individual and MD). Contract STD? Take this pill and go on doing what you do. Or, have a cough or sniffle, take this pill for 7 days and it will cure what ails ya.
Strengthen your health rather then look for a pill fix as go-to / first threatment. Can we say together "safe and effective "?
Tim Smith AR
It is unfortunate, John Leake, that something so good, like researchers finding that penicillin had great use ahead of it, saving lives, that the perversion of PHARMA and the associated greed has tainted the entire picture, vividly displayed in the forcefully mandated use of products that are not efficacious... just profitable. Causing death, by "vaccination" is a long way off from the original goal of saving lives by understanding God's creation and synergy. Pharma has perverted medicine into a pejorative term, casting disdain upon honest, intelligent, serious medical researchers, like those who developed penicillin. I present Peter Hotez as Exhibition "A", representing the filth of modern Pharma.
Actualy, Beecham Pharmaceuticals in the UK was the global leader and innovator in penicillin research and development. It continued to be so through Ampicillin, Methicillin, Cloxacillin, Amoxycillin etc right through to its merger with SmithKline and its ultimate takeover by GlaxoWellcome to create GlaxoSmithKline (GSK).
Big Pharma is no longer interested in antibiotics/antibacterials and no new antibiotic class has been discovered for decades although in view of multiple antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria, new antibiotics are very much needed. This is because a course of antibiotics is typically one week, so there's no money in that. They prefer either cancer drugs, which they can price astronomically, OR long-term therapies such as statins and antihypertensives where they can treat symptoms for life. Cures? No so much.
They still sell TONS of antibiotics ,for use in animals , and fruits and vegatables , Tons and tons .
All generic by now (so not Big Pharma mostly) and are only making the human resistance problem worse. It shouldn't really be allowed - but there it is.