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Candice Lynn's avatar

There seems to be a global deficiency of integrity, class and honor.

Mike's avatar

That of which you talk, is earned not given.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

I understand. To you, dishonor and lack of integrity in interpersonal relations are a norm and a baseline. It sounds like you're probably high on the "dark tetrad," narcissistic psychopathy, sadism and Machiavellianism.

Mike's avatar

You have no clue what I am like as a person. Always some shill like you out there that cannot have any dialog at all without insults. So go fuck yourself!

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

No,the clue I haveis the clue you gave. It's called a logical deduction. You outed yourself as to what you're like as "person." You certainly aren't a "man." I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but you'd be very disappointed.

letterwriter's avatar

So you think that men of integrity walk around acting like boors until someone acts with integrity, class, and honor first, and then they shift gears to act the same way--and that's the right way to do things? Just checking.

Craig g USMC's avatar

I meant stop being jerkoffs

Steveo's avatar

Morals, character, the list is endless isn't it?!

Danny Huckabee's avatar

I think there's something wrong with Mullin. Even if he really thinks these things, they alienate the vast majority of people who hear them. He's not convincing anyone of his positions and damaging those he has with those who might be persuaded to.

You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar. Or in his case, arsenic.

Mike Bond's avatar

Morals, taste, and manners, when was that ever a description of either House of Congress?

Honeybee's avatar

Just finished reviewing this Senate hearing exchange on another internet site. My whole gorge rose. He's a very bad individual. For this reason, we have very few--if any--good people in politics today. We are presented with a selection of psychopaths; sociopaths; illiterates; and Tony Soprano characters. Don't get me wrong. I loved the Sopranos series, but Sopranos belong in organizations like the Mafia--not in government. I firmly believe today that this country is lost. I'm glad I'm in my late 70s and shouldn't be around when all is lost.

Honeybee's avatar

Great scene! Yes. This has been a tradition in our .gov for...maybe forever. I guess what I was expressing was the belief that they shouldn't be. And the appearance today which is blatantly obvious to everyone that they are. They are just so blatantly obvious today, and no one seems to care really.

andy's avatar

Some care. Some care too much. Some have self-defensively separated from care. Some are carefree. Some go along to get along. Some are scared. Some are venal. Some are lost. Some glean the lost & found.

These somes don’t sum all the way to the very gross domestic, or global, product.

Justice, yeah?

Here’s that scene. And later, the seeker has what he sought in his hands … & then cocky-flourishes a little too much, & is undone … :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWIDp2Uyb-8

John Parisella's avatar

As a man in his late 60s, I've lived my life with the US persistently at war in one or, as in the present moment, more places in the world. I'm saddened by this fact. At present it seems as if we Americans have been paying and paying in treasure and blood for the expanding wealth of the donor class and, perhaps, a cabal of psychopaths intent on bringing about the end of civilization.

Patrick Frank's avatar

"though gross its casual brutality"

When did understand come to mean approve of?

Criminal research has show that many robbers rob because they are convinced that whatever their victim possesses belongs to themselves - the robbers. Such robbers just intend to get what's theirs.

To say one now understands the motivation to rob is not to approve of it.

Maybe Mullin did approve of it. But we do not know of that from his words. You imputed approval to him nevertheless, John. Unjustifiably.

Maybe Mullin is indeed a bad guy. But your work shows a tendency to mark with poor evidence. More and more, recently - since the attack on Iran, actually - your essays are bent with your politics.

Daniel Wirt's avatar

Frank, your comments are bent into a twisted pretzel of rationalization in an attempt to dodge the obvious.

Patrick Frank's avatar

My comments express my considered thoughts.

Tough for you to understand the 'considered thoughts' part, isn't it, given your partisan fixation.

Daniel Wirt's avatar

Of course I am a partisan —- you can’t be neutral on a moving train. I am a partisan against Zionist genocide of Palestinians and the current Zionist driven war of aggression against Iran. And you, Frank are a Zionist partisan apologist/supporterfor both of these, making you complicit in both crimes against humanity and war crimes.

Your attempt to excuse Mullin is bankrupt and obviously motivated by your partisanship against Rand Paul because of his opposition to Trump’s disastrous war of aggression against Iran (Iraqi WMD v2.0).

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You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train" is a famous quote and memoir by historian/activist Howard Zinn. It means that in a world already moving toward specific, often unjust outcomes (the "moving train"), true neutrality is impossible; silence or inaction simply means accepting or complicitly supporting the current direction, rather than challenging it

Patrick Frank's avatar

So you admit to being a partisan - meaning a prejudiced supporter - as though partisanship is an honorable estate. All partisans are liars - even when their choice is accidentally correct - because they conclude with conscious prejudice.

And in your self-defense you smear me with that sobriquet. As though I'm as irrational as you are, except wrong.

I'm not like you. I've studied the issue and found the better case. It's not yours.

You're unable and unwilling to consider the full case. You reject contradictory evidence and repeat what supports your beliefs, true or not.

You employ lurid exaggeration meant to stoke self-righteous fury.

Conversation with you is a waste of time.

carolyn kostopoulos's avatar

you're as partisan as anyone but since you "believe" that you are correct, you dismiss other fully considered points which happen to actually be correct. please don't bother to answer.

Patrick Frank's avatar

I demur from your unfair request. Where was I wrong? You've never shown.

Daniel Wirt's avatar

Zeus you are stupid and intellectually dishonest, Frank. By your brain dead metrics, Czech partisans against the Nazis were illegitimate because they were prejudiced, dishonorable, liars and irrational. Poor Heydrich —- those prejudiced partisans killed him…

Your projection is constant. In fact, your delusions (fixed, false beliefs) are set in stone, and it is you who rejects contradictory evidence.

Patrick Frank's avatar

Thank-you for demonstrating here in public, your patent inability to read or reason.

carolyn kostopoulos's avatar

he's the author. why shouldn't his writings reflect his views? maybe you think he should write from someone else's perspective?

Daniel Wirt's avatar

Carolyn, Frank is an epitome of projection. He is the one who has great difficulty parsing actual evidence.

Patrick Frank's avatar

I think he should write in consonance with the evidence.

Your turn.

Patrick Frank's avatar

I think he's first feelings then judgment.

evergreen's avatar

Amazing, isn't it? To think that this is the state of the learned columnists. Oh, dear.

Stephen Joncus's avatar

I am not surprised and not bothered by the increased heat in the rhetoric. We are after-all dealing with an opposing party that is absolutely crazy. If they ever come back to power, anyone who criticized them or pushes back against them will be rounded up for re-education camps. In view of the existential threat posed by the Democrat Party, Mullin's rhetoric is entirely appropriate to keep the few votes we have in line. Our grandparents did not face so many traitors in our midst.

letterwriter's avatar

Our national achievements were made by men from a Dignity culture. You're talking about the thuggish behavior of people from tribal/gang cultures, who walk around fronting and flexing and trying to threaten people into cowering. This is the behavior of weaklings and it has never built a modern country. At best it scrapes by like the Ukrainian and Israeli beggars, but they subsist on handouts because they are too aggressive and dumb to make their way by diplomacy.

Sharon's avatar

What do you expect from a puddin’-head named Markwayne?

Denise Trafford's avatar

Rand Paul is one of the very few decent politicians left in Washington

Daniel Wirt's avatar

Yet another “Christian”Zionist…

Steve Tanberg's avatar

Rand Paul’s argument is that if you understand why someone commits violence, you therefore approve of the action. When a woman who has for years been mentally and emotionally abused by her husband finally kills him, you can abhor her solution and still understand her motivation. I’m hesitant to condemn Mullin for his statement because Rand Paul’s absolutist stance on many issues has “understandably” upset many people. Mullin was clear he didn’t approve of the attack.

Leslie M's avatar

I believe there was some context to Mullin’s “understand” remark. Apparently Rand had attacked him (verbally and politically, not physically) and he responded facetiously. No, it wasn’t nice, but “politics ain’t beanbags”. What happened to Rand was horrific, but it was done by an outsider, not a colleague, and certainly not by Mullin. Rand retaliated today by not allowing Mullin’s friend, Senator Katie Britt, to introduce him. Such childish behavior is not worthy of him, either. He is foolish to base his NO vote on his hurt feelings.

Alice Hesselrode's avatar

it is sad. beyond sad, that while we fight among ourselves the elite, powers that be, but shouldn't be, are laughing and carrying on with their agenda. The more we hate each other the easier we are to control. If we do not transform our hearts and minds we are doomed.

Privacy Required's avatar

A house divided cannot stand. But I also wrestle with not bending the knee to evil via brainwashed people. Is it dangerous to jump in the pool with a man that cannot swim?

Another WorldView Is Possible's avatar

Crenshaw, it should be noted, is another WEF "Young Global(ist) Leader". Mullins just seems to be a low-IQ authoritarian personality type. Washed-up, punch drunk fighters and people who've been subjected to Military indoctrination (Mind Control) make great Stormtroopers.

They're exhibiting a 'team sports' mentality, where principled disagreement, is conflated with disloyalty to faction. Of course, in reality, there's only ONE Party in the Beltway...but they pretend to oppose one another, while implementing a unified Policy - each side following their own portions, of a compartmentalized script.

Privacy Required's avatar

Given the fraud we saw with USAID, in which all disbursements have a sponsor, or should i say kick back owner, bad trade deals that baffle any common sense unless their is a kick back, the 2020 election fraud, the covid bioweapon push, Social Security steaming toward the bankruptcy iceberg, serious inflation caused by currency debasing, is it any wonder the pressure cooker is whistling?

Joe Silvestrini's avatar

He was an undefeated UFC fighter at 5 and 0. These guys march to the beat of a different drummer than most of us.

John Leake's avatar

I encourage him to stick with professionally beating people up if he's good at it. The Senate is a different institution from the octagon.

Enheduanna's avatar

He was 3-0 against losing fighters, all in a regional league, XFN. Dude would get murdered in the UFC.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/197104-markwayne-mullin

Gretchen's avatar

Then he's brain damaged?

Joe Silvestrini's avatar

Take a look at who is running for Congress these days. Many are special forces veterans. It appears that as the political climate gets increasingly hostile, this seems to attract people with more aggressive tendencies. People on both sides are also look for representation that will fight for them. The days of Hubert Humphry as the Happy Warrior are gone.

Art4arts_sake's avatar

Yea, they march to the beat of steroids pulsing through their brain and body, making them hyper aggressive and total jerks.

Kim Hayes's avatar

I see this is driven by these uneducated spineless fools that hide & lurk anonymously on the internet acting out frustrations after perhaps playing 'war-like video games.' Sadly there seems to be an enormous amount of 'creatures' , perhaps not human, that have never been taught how to SELF REGULATE. I always like to assume that I'm dealing with an adult that knows how to control their emotions. Yet, alas a huge portion of Society seems to be incapable.