Decades of evidence reveal that vitamin C attacks cancer through four powerful mechanisms: pro-oxidative cytotoxicity, epigenetic reprogramming, signaling-pathway suppression, and immune activation.
In 1996, my husband was diagnosed with Squamous Cell Carcinoma (tonsil) with metastasis (Stage 4), by the docs at Dana Farber, and told he had a 20% chance to survive 2 years. When he made the decision to forego all conventional treatment, not only were we penalized by having to pay for all treatments out-of-pocket- (we had “excellent” conventional health insurance, at the time that would have paid for a radical neck re-section, chemo and radiation), but we were also snickered at (“The immune system and diet have nothing to do with cancer…”), and treated condescendingly by attending practitioners. We had to travel to NYC (from Maine) to find an MD, (hematologist, oncologist, pharmacologist), who could guide us using non-toxic modalities. (We found this doc by using the services of Pat McGrady in his "Can Help" service.) The first thing he told us when we entered his office was, “Please don’t tell anyone where you are coming; if the FDA knows I have success treating cancer, they will shut me down.” (He was a protege of Burzinsky, whose offices were being raided by FDA regularly.)
Dr. Chu Fong - (since deceased)- prescribed 50k mg. of IV Vit C, 3 x's weekly, and insisted we do the treatments at home. "You are a nurse; I'll write an order for you to do these at home; your husband needs to rest, not travel to NY." (No one was doing IVC in 1996 in our neck of the woods....)
We did this protocol x 1 year. We followed our 'progress' by doing monthly AMAS tests that were just being developed by students at MIT. Hubby would have his blood drawn, pack it in dry ice, and drive to the Fenway apartment where the budding scientists lived. "The 'lab' was in their apartment and you didn't feel quite confident that they knew what they were doing as you walked through Burger King wrappers on the floor." But they did.
Very long story short–Doug survived the death sentence, using all natural approaches, and is vital to this day. (And when he later visited those practitioners who had doubted his desired approach, they took notes as he told his story.)
What amuses me (not really, because it disgusts me) is how hospitals tend to view (sell?) chemo as something more than poisoning the patient in the hopes the chemo will kill the cancer before it kills the patient. Delighted to hear your husband got along fine without it!...;) My wife had Stage III breast cancer ~25 years ago, and we opted for the targeted radiation treatments (she didn't miss a one of her 27 treatments) but skipped the chemo altogether. Her surgeon (she had a lumpectomy) wanted her to take the chemo, but, interestingly, the woman running the chemo advised her to skip the chemo (my wife was in her 50's at the time)--and agreed with our choice!...;) I mean, when they tell you that the chemo may increase your survival odds after 5 years by 5%, it makes the choice very easy. Then we got the great news that her lymph nodes were all clear, post surgery, and, the cancer has not returned! She's been taking a gram of C and 5k to 10k IUs of D3 every day since.
Also for those who might need it, liposomal C can be taken orally in comparable high doses with, reportedly, very good results, perhaps approaching the effect of intravenous. I have used it up to about 20g per day for all manner of conditions with good results. It must be liposomal though because humans tolerate/absorb only about 2g per day orally of straight ascorbic.
I have been experimenting with vitamins, since the 1960s. I used 5000 mg of Vitamin C daily without a problem for at over a year and had no problems. I have been using a brand with bioflavonoids 3000 mg daily for many years. Recently, I was guided to stop; and only use natural raw fruit and vegetables. I have no health problems, because I stay with my specific beneficial foods. I learned back in 1976 to stop dairy, which created a tumor (excess protein-fat); and in 1988 I eliminated honey(excess carbs). I was putting it in too many cups of herb tea daily and it created an ugly bulbous tumor with spikes coming out of it... above my right breast. My children were horrified, when they saw it; and urged me to have it removed. Twelve years earlier, I got rid of the first tumor by simply eliminating the dairy, so I examined my diet and realized i was using lots of honey. Today, the only sweetener I use is Kal Stevia liquid...I have been using it over 20 years. No health concerns going on 92!
Actually, I’ve understood that the absorption level is dependent onn the individual, and what you don’t absorb, you just urinate away. You can normally guide yourself as to your personal tolerance, as an ‘intolerable’ dosage will be seen in your bowels.
Two concerns here. The bowel effect is due to the concentration of the ascorbate salts in the lumen of the bowel creating an osmotic gradient and drawing water into the bowel, similar to taking large doses of Magnesium citrate.
I have read reports that rarely more than 250 mg of ascorbate can be absorbed by oral administration, so larger doses are either going to produce some bowel titration, at low levels perhaps not noticed by the patient, or simply be excreted in the urine.
I’d like a link to those reports indicating that only 250mg of C can be absorbed by oral administration. And while I can find your second sentence indicated verbatim in a number of alternative health sites, I also find this: “Moreover, vitamin C acts as a natural laxative by supporting the production of digestive enzymes and enhancing the overall digestive process. This not only helps in alleviating constipation but also contributes to improving the overall gut health.”
Sorry, I don't have that link. 50 years of science reading from journals and opinion pages doesn't always mean I have the source.
As far as alleviating constipation, yes, that's axiomatic, but consideration of the bell curve of patient's individual bowel sensitivity and tolerance is as you note, important whether self administered or suggested as part of treatment.
I am not a medical professional, but considering the past 5 years or so of reading medical journals and opinions, I have learned to question them and the authors, as well. I will say that, personally, I have taken considerably more than 250mg of C; that its effect on me seems to presume absorption as well. If I was only allowed to take one supplement, Vitamin C would be the one I’d choose.
Well, the first question is what metric do you go by to assess absorption? Have you done pre and post serum plasma level concentrations? There is even debate about the accuracy of that. Presumptions based on bowel tolerance or some other subjective assessment of course is just that.
I do recall SubStack author Chris Masterjohn having a discussion about vitamin C a while back--that may have been where I read it. You might be well served to check his work out. He's a PhD biochemist that takes deep dives into his topics, and can certainly back them up with the latest science.
Finally, you are not wrong to question many studies as the authors are often captured by interests that don't align with a pure scientific inquiry, and of course nutritional journals have been guilty of a significant amount of shoddy research through poor trial design and often because it is difficult to eliminate confounding issues, cohort adherence and investigator bias.
Liposomal vitamin C reaches uM plasma levels, perhaps better than other forms of oral vitamin C. But it does not reach mM levels like IV vitamin C. They cannot be compared! We have shown this in our translational research and pharmacokinetic studies.
mM is millimoles. A Mole is standard unit (6.02214076 x 10^23) in chemistry for measuring small items like molecules, The number, which I had to look up just now to state it correctly, is called Avogadro's number.
That is what I have read. Straight (non-liposomal) causes the runs in most over 2g per day. A friend who is very sensitive in this regard can gobble many a day without these common effects. I would - personally - feel confident taking as big a dose as the intravenous (the suggested 1g to 1kg body weight ratio) but I have not yet. If I could afford it I would take more - or if desperate! Also if interested, the new pharma drug therapy for (some forms of) cancer is basically the combo of 5g C plus 50mg of Vitamin K2 (very high dose, few makers, Life Extension does though - and where they use mk3 but where other mk's might work too. Mk 4 and 7 commonly sold forms of K2) daily oral. Think its called Apatone.
I take 5 gm daily in am, first thing, on empty stomach. But I suggest start slow on 1 gm and watch results. You may get BM shortly and may be explosive if inexperienced gut. Eventually 1 gm won’t cut it, so go up to 2 gm, then 3 gm and up. Suggest nonbuffered (if gut issues or ulcer type issues then go buffered). Some suggest ascorbic acid powder in filtered water. I get my info from my naturopath and personal research!
Liposomal is the delivery system used. From what I read, this means you can take a lower dose just because its more bioavailable in the gut. Start low and go slow if you aren't under a professional. Taking 5000 mg is not dangerous as people take twice as much as that just to get a bowel movement. That's called a vitamin C flush. Some people start high and then go down to a more modest maintenance dose. Its non toxic, antioxidant and basically flushes the system of toxins, viruses, etc.
I take Altrient Lipsomal C (Liv On) who were apparently the company that originally produced this. There are varying levels of efficacy of liposomal. Sadly, the Altrient is somewhat on the expensive side.
I hope everyone is aware of the Dr. Paul Marik vitamin C protocol to treat sepsis.. Incredibly effective if instituted immediately and followed with the correct dosing and circumstances. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27940189/
(can also be found at IMA OR FLCCC) Of course the majority of hospitals refuse to use it. His COVID protocol also uses high dose vitamin C. It is good stuff and thank you for the article. Now that I have basically lost all faith in conventional medicine I realize they have been demonizing C and D for decades. Tragic
Dr. Fred Klenner claimed he could kill any bacteria and virus infection if he could get high doses of vitamin c into the patient early. His motto was to treat while you are waiting for a diagnosis. Dr. Marik advises the same for sepsis. Studies that tried to disprove his treatment waited a long time before starting the vitamin c protocol.
Hello ! This is a very interesting topic. If you are interested, I wrote a very lengthy article about the history of this therapy, the debates, the first ideas of Linus Pauling and the precise description of the Fenton reaction that leads to the endogeneous generation of the hydroxyl radical, leading to the death of the cancer cell. If you check my substack history, you will see that I made it open access for 2 to 3 weeks. This post is under a permanent paywall now. You will find a personal word from Leonard John Hoffer, the person who did all the vitamin C trials on cancer patients in the last decade. Feel free to take a look https://feedyourmind1111.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-and-cancer-a-50-years-debate-543
Pre Ice age humans produced 3grams Vitamin C internally with another 3-6g from fruit and vegetables. Serum Vitamin C depletes the bloods insulating properties, so those that were capable of switching off Vitamin C production were more able to survive the cold. Bioflavinoids work with Vitamin C and is recycled by Vitamin E; sourced from oil containing foods.
Those who are dealing with cancer, or have a loved one who is, may also want to look into the work of Dr. Thomas Seyfried, PhD, a cancer researcher.
In this interview, he shares that:
- Cancer has been proven to not be genetic in origin.
- NOT feeding the cancer is key. Cancer feeds on carbs, so a very low to no carb diet (sugar & starch) while consuming natural, unoxidized fats (avoid liquid oils) while consuming enough high quality protein & fatty acids to support the healthy cells & tissues & immune system is essential.*
- Periodic water only fating is also helpful-but MUCH easier to do once one has 'kicked the carbs' and switched to burning fat for fuel, instead: nutritional ketosis. Aside from cancer, there are numerous health benefits to being in nutritional ketosis.
- Certain specific medicines can be an important part of overcoming cancer, including one with a far better safety profile -after decades of use and billions of doses- than Tylenol, or aspirin.
* 'WHO says meat causes cancer?' Dr. G.Ede. MD shares that there is no actual proof that meat or animal fat cause cancer, or any harm to the human body. See also video of the same title on YouTube.
And do you know who has known this for a LONG LONG time? The homeopaths and naturopaths. I know someone who has been taking high dose IV injections of Vit C for years rather than the noxious, toxic chemo the "experts" inject in the well-known cancer clinics. This is why we simply must turn more toward alternative medicine where they still believe in cures.
I know there has been loads of information, certainly since covid, about Vitamin D3 and other supplements that are effective, but I am glad that some attention is finally being given to Vitamin C. If I had to choose just one supplement to take, it would be Vitamin C. Obviously, I’m not taking a pharmacological dose of C, but have been taking it for years. When I feel the first sign of a cold or flu coming on, I dose myself with 5+ (or more) grams of C, and blast it right out of my system. Linus Pauling, of course, was discussing this years ago. And I was also fortunate enough to read Norman Cousins’ book Anatomy of an Illness years ago as well, where he survived a potentially fatal disease through pharmacological Vitamin C, laughter, and staying out of hospitals!
I always hated the fact that a great thinker and scientist, Linus Pauling, Ph.D, winner of not one but two Nobel Prizes, was demonized for his work on the importance of vitamin C to human health and in cancer prevention and treatment. He also noted that cancer is not genetic but metabolic, a critical finding. Doctors looked down on is work because he was a biochemist and not medically trained.
We always assumed we were at risk b/c most of our family members died of cancer, no heart disease. I am so happy Dr Pauling’s work is being vindicated by modern research studies that are not ‘designed to fail’.
The medical-industrial-Pharma monopoly teaches doctors very little about vital nutrition and vitamins, yet patients are told to consult their doctors BEFORE taking any vitamin, particularly in high doses.
In the early 2000’s bloodwork showed I was low in vitamin D, my doctor advised taking 450 iU of D3. Years later after much reading, I recognized this low level did absolutely NOTHING for my health and I upped my D3 with K2 intake to 5000 iU, now I take 10,000 iU daily and hope to get thru a winter without severe bronchitis as an asthmatic. I now also take 2000 mg of Liposomal Vitamin C. I was hovering at 89 ng/ml of D on my last blood work and plan to up my Liposomal C to at least 4000 mg a day. I am 74 y.o.and my only health issues are hypothyroid and somewhat overweight, and asthma for which I have a rarely needed albuterol inhaler.
When I asked my doctor about the ingredients of vaccines he stated he did not know but not to worry the science is settled, they are proven to be ‘safe & effective’ which is a marketing slogan taught to MD’s. The Covid Jab showed how UNSAFE vaccine products can be.
Having read Thomas Kuhn’s ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’ I am well aware that the science is never settled as the current paradigm will be displaced when new research finds a new effective hypothesis. The true nature of science is to question what is currently believed to be true. Overturning that belief and going to a new paradigm equates to scientific progress.
I am on Medicare and my Doc’s office asks me about vaccines on every visit, I always say ‘no thanks’.
I refrain from talking about all of the books and journal articles I have read on vaccines, vitamins or other medical or health topics as I have learned most traditional doctors look down upon all of us with no medical training, as if our brains are deep fried in stupidity in this one area of knowledge, despite our level of in depth study on these topics far beyond what their ‘education’ (indoctrination) offered them. I am in good company as they looked down on Dr Pauling too.
Here’s the other giant fraud in Medicine, we are always given the RRR (Relative Risk Reduction) statistic to ‘prove’ the effectiveness of a patented Pharma medication, not the ARR (absolute risk reduction) while in the UK doctors are REQUIRED to give you both. Statins are always ‘sold’ by doctors for a potential 30% reduction of heart attack using RRR, when in fact it is about 1% when ARR is used. These drugs have substantial side effects that are very dangerous for seniors (cognitive decline, muscle wasting/weakness and more) and if only 1 out 100 treated people is helped by statins, are they really worth the risks?
Modern medicine is geared toward the sale of the most expensive medications, vaccines, or treatments in cooperation with Pharma which gives gifts, trips, and vaccine ‘incentive’ payments to physician offices. Oncologists receive enormous payments for chemo drug infusions. This ‘treat the symptoms’ model is not about restoring health and curing disease. Rather it is about suppressing symptoms and keeping you on patented drugs for as long as possible. The other goal (as in cancer treatment) is to extract as much money as possible from the standard treatments, even when it is ‘hopeless’.
Vitamins cannot be patented, thus Pharma has no incentive to fund properly designed research studies on these remarkable substances...instead their studies are designed to show failure by improper dosing compared to treatment levels recommended by practitioners. They do the same with studies on drugs, which are off patent, like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.
I have a friend who is now 99 years old but moved away to live with family. I once asked about her incredible health and vitality back in her early 90’s, she said she always cooked real foods as an Italian and she often cooked for ‘elderly friends’ (in their 80’s or younger). She kept active by socializing and going dancing (!) and walked in our pools here in So Florida.
She said if she got a minor ailment her daughters bugged her to go to the doctor and doctors would always prescribe something. I asked if that worked out, she stated medicines always made her sick to her stomach after trying one so she lied to her doctors or kids that she took them, instead, she threw them out. We laughed uproariously! I met her in my late 60’s and went to a birthday party at a restaurant and knew none of the others but the oldest was about 73, so my friend was making new friends all the time. This beautiful woman outlived several doctors.
Look for doctors with open minds or naturopathic practitioners. Follow the great Substack authors revealing the truth.
Seek the truth about all matters affecting your health and do in depth research on any treatment recommendations by your doctors. The health you save may be your own.
I remember the last case of severe flu I had--some 25+ years ago. The short story here is that I haven't had the flu even once since I stopped getting flu vaccines...;) I am not anti-vaccine, of course, because I think that some vaccines are eminently worthwhile, such as the Polio vaccines, as I had the Salk growing up and then the Sabin oral vaccines. But when I discovered that the flu vaccine was simply a guess and that being vaccinated against a strain of flu that doesn't actually exist is a waste of time, I decided to stop it, and have not had the flu since. I quit smoking 30 years ago, and I also think that had a lot to do with being flu-free for so many years, but I do find it interesting that flu-shots seem to have been worthless--about like the worthless COVID-19 vaccinations the government attempted to panic everyone into getting. I took the first two, unfortunately, back in '21, about a month apart, before I learned that my suspicions about them from day 1 were correct. It's definitely a Caveat Emptor situation regarding vaccines today!
There is a recent large study (preprint April 4, 2025)on the flu vaccine by the Cleveland Clinic for the 2024-2025 Respiratory Viral Season for 53,402 employees and it showed negative efficacy for the vaccine.
Those who received the vaccine were 27% more likely to get the flu, compared to unvaccinated persons!
IMO, Probably due to Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE).
Of course, in peer-review they will try to undermine the study design, to prevent full publication.
I do not take products not tested for safety using inert placebos (no vaccines use these) or comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated outcomes (CC study did this).
I have noticed for years vaccination for flu starts September/October and flu emerges late October early November!
Here in little NZ around 6 years ago a man was in hospital with hairy cell leukaemia and swine flu. The hospital literally wanted to shut off his life support machine expecting him to die. Family wanted them to try IV vitamin C. Declined. So they got legal support to make them try Vit C. They began giving him liposomal c orally but very half heartedly & in small doses. The family themselves upped his doses. He came off the machine eventually, left the hospital & returned to normal work on his farm!! They would've killed him!! The white coats don't want you successfully healing with vitamins ... Big Pharma would take huge dents in their profits. (This was surprisingly highlighted in MSM television ... doco at the link)
NOTE the site link I've posted there will no longer work, I've been shut down as of this morning. (WP) Truth is being censored more and more. Kind of knew it would come eventually & it has. You will find the video on yt still anyway.
"Pharmacologic vitamin C reactivates TET enzymes, reversing abnormal DNA hypermethylation and restoring tumor-suppressor gene expression.
Multiple studies show induced differentiation and suppressed proliferation following high-dose intravenous vitamin C exposure."
Great reminder food is medicine or poison in the case of American diet.. also perfect example of how DNA sequences are snapshots in time that can change.. it is NOT a blueprint for life that is understood or improved by Biotech Mafia keyboard gene jockeys or AI models.
So glad Vit C is getting it's recognition finally!! I've always believed in it. I know IV infusion is the way to go if you have a big problem...but I love juicing carrot, Orange, ginger elixir several times a month. It's beautiful and tastes incredible
In 1996, my husband was diagnosed with Squamous Cell Carcinoma (tonsil) with metastasis (Stage 4), by the docs at Dana Farber, and told he had a 20% chance to survive 2 years. When he made the decision to forego all conventional treatment, not only were we penalized by having to pay for all treatments out-of-pocket- (we had “excellent” conventional health insurance, at the time that would have paid for a radical neck re-section, chemo and radiation), but we were also snickered at (“The immune system and diet have nothing to do with cancer…”), and treated condescendingly by attending practitioners. We had to travel to NYC (from Maine) to find an MD, (hematologist, oncologist, pharmacologist), who could guide us using non-toxic modalities. (We found this doc by using the services of Pat McGrady in his "Can Help" service.) The first thing he told us when we entered his office was, “Please don’t tell anyone where you are coming; if the FDA knows I have success treating cancer, they will shut me down.” (He was a protege of Burzinsky, whose offices were being raided by FDA regularly.)
Dr. Chu Fong - (since deceased)- prescribed 50k mg. of IV Vit C, 3 x's weekly, and insisted we do the treatments at home. "You are a nurse; I'll write an order for you to do these at home; your husband needs to rest, not travel to NY." (No one was doing IVC in 1996 in our neck of the woods....)
We did this protocol x 1 year. We followed our 'progress' by doing monthly AMAS tests that were just being developed by students at MIT. Hubby would have his blood drawn, pack it in dry ice, and drive to the Fenway apartment where the budding scientists lived. "The 'lab' was in their apartment and you didn't feel quite confident that they knew what they were doing as you walked through Burger King wrappers on the floor." But they did.
Very long story short–Doug survived the death sentence, using all natural approaches, and is vital to this day. (And when he later visited those practitioners who had doubted his desired approach, they took notes as he told his story.)
they took notes but never dared to try out his protocols much less suggest them to any patients, i'm sure
What amuses me (not really, because it disgusts me) is how hospitals tend to view (sell?) chemo as something more than poisoning the patient in the hopes the chemo will kill the cancer before it kills the patient. Delighted to hear your husband got along fine without it!...;) My wife had Stage III breast cancer ~25 years ago, and we opted for the targeted radiation treatments (she didn't miss a one of her 27 treatments) but skipped the chemo altogether. Her surgeon (she had a lumpectomy) wanted her to take the chemo, but, interestingly, the woman running the chemo advised her to skip the chemo (my wife was in her 50's at the time)--and agreed with our choice!...;) I mean, when they tell you that the chemo may increase your survival odds after 5 years by 5%, it makes the choice very easy. Then we got the great news that her lymph nodes were all clear, post surgery, and, the cancer has not returned! She's been taking a gram of C and 5k to 10k IUs of D3 every day since.
Chemo often becomes a losing battle. The Chemo kills the majority of the tumor, but not the tumor stem cells.
Also for those who might need it, liposomal C can be taken orally in comparable high doses with, reportedly, very good results, perhaps approaching the effect of intravenous. I have used it up to about 20g per day for all manner of conditions with good results. It must be liposomal though because humans tolerate/absorb only about 2g per day orally of straight ascorbic.
I have been experimenting with vitamins, since the 1960s. I used 5000 mg of Vitamin C daily without a problem for at over a year and had no problems. I have been using a brand with bioflavonoids 3000 mg daily for many years. Recently, I was guided to stop; and only use natural raw fruit and vegetables. I have no health problems, because I stay with my specific beneficial foods. I learned back in 1976 to stop dairy, which created a tumor (excess protein-fat); and in 1988 I eliminated honey(excess carbs). I was putting it in too many cups of herb tea daily and it created an ugly bulbous tumor with spikes coming out of it... above my right breast. My children were horrified, when they saw it; and urged me to have it removed. Twelve years earlier, I got rid of the first tumor by simply eliminating the dairy, so I examined my diet and realized i was using lots of honey. Today, the only sweetener I use is Kal Stevia liquid...I have been using it over 20 years. No health concerns going on 92!
Here's why you probably had no problems: https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-is-expensive-pee?r=6hgshq
Actually, I’ve understood that the absorption level is dependent onn the individual, and what you don’t absorb, you just urinate away. You can normally guide yourself as to your personal tolerance, as an ‘intolerable’ dosage will be seen in your bowels.
Two concerns here. The bowel effect is due to the concentration of the ascorbate salts in the lumen of the bowel creating an osmotic gradient and drawing water into the bowel, similar to taking large doses of Magnesium citrate.
I have read reports that rarely more than 250 mg of ascorbate can be absorbed by oral administration, so larger doses are either going to produce some bowel titration, at low levels perhaps not noticed by the patient, or simply be excreted in the urine.
I’d like a link to those reports indicating that only 250mg of C can be absorbed by oral administration. And while I can find your second sentence indicated verbatim in a number of alternative health sites, I also find this: “Moreover, vitamin C acts as a natural laxative by supporting the production of digestive enzymes and enhancing the overall digestive process. This not only helps in alleviating constipation but also contributes to improving the overall gut health.”
Sorry, I don't have that link. 50 years of science reading from journals and opinion pages doesn't always mean I have the source.
As far as alleviating constipation, yes, that's axiomatic, but consideration of the bell curve of patient's individual bowel sensitivity and tolerance is as you note, important whether self administered or suggested as part of treatment.
I am not a medical professional, but considering the past 5 years or so of reading medical journals and opinions, I have learned to question them and the authors, as well. I will say that, personally, I have taken considerably more than 250mg of C; that its effect on me seems to presume absorption as well. If I was only allowed to take one supplement, Vitamin C would be the one I’d choose.
Well, the first question is what metric do you go by to assess absorption? Have you done pre and post serum plasma level concentrations? There is even debate about the accuracy of that. Presumptions based on bowel tolerance or some other subjective assessment of course is just that.
I do recall SubStack author Chris Masterjohn having a discussion about vitamin C a while back--that may have been where I read it. You might be well served to check his work out. He's a PhD biochemist that takes deep dives into his topics, and can certainly back them up with the latest science.
Finally, you are not wrong to question many studies as the authors are often captured by interests that don't align with a pure scientific inquiry, and of course nutritional journals have been guilty of a significant amount of shoddy research through poor trial design and often because it is difficult to eliminate confounding issues, cohort adherence and investigator bias.
Good luck on your health journey.
Hear ya, I use Vitamin C crystal with baking soda, it becomes Ascorbate and very well tolerate in the human body, and you can take at high doses !!!!!
Liposomal vitamin C reaches uM plasma levels, perhaps better than other forms of oral vitamin C. But it does not reach mM levels like IV vitamin C. They cannot be compared! We have shown this in our translational research and pharmacokinetic studies.
Thank you!
Not sure of the units though as uM and mM are usually measures of distances. Are we talking about blood plasma levels as measured to...?
mM is millimoles. A Mole is standard unit (6.02214076 x 10^23) in chemistry for measuring small items like molecules, The number, which I had to look up just now to state it correctly, is called Avogadro's number.
Hey friend! I just asked this question below, thank you for answering it here!!
I’m aware of the liposomal, are you saying more of it can be absorbed ?
Do you have a dosage per pound or per kilogram or just go up to 20 g for anyone?
I’m experiencing a condition I want to use this for myself.
That is what I have read. Straight (non-liposomal) causes the runs in most over 2g per day. A friend who is very sensitive in this regard can gobble many a day without these common effects. I would - personally - feel confident taking as big a dose as the intravenous (the suggested 1g to 1kg body weight ratio) but I have not yet. If I could afford it I would take more - or if desperate! Also if interested, the new pharma drug therapy for (some forms of) cancer is basically the combo of 5g C plus 50mg of Vitamin K2 (very high dose, few makers, Life Extension does though - and where they use mk3 but where other mk's might work too. Mk 4 and 7 commonly sold forms of K2) daily oral. Think its called Apatone.
I take 5 gm daily in am, first thing, on empty stomach. But I suggest start slow on 1 gm and watch results. You may get BM shortly and may be explosive if inexperienced gut. Eventually 1 gm won’t cut it, so go up to 2 gm, then 3 gm and up. Suggest nonbuffered (if gut issues or ulcer type issues then go buffered). Some suggest ascorbic acid powder in filtered water. I get my info from my naturopath and personal research!
5g non-liposomal?
Liposomal is the delivery system used. From what I read, this means you can take a lower dose just because its more bioavailable in the gut. Start low and go slow if you aren't under a professional. Taking 5000 mg is not dangerous as people take twice as much as that just to get a bowel movement. That's called a vitamin C flush. Some people start high and then go down to a more modest maintenance dose. Its non toxic, antioxidant and basically flushes the system of toxins, viruses, etc.
Wow about the new chemo drug!!
I believe that Peter McCullough actually did an interview with one of the proponents of liposomal C some months ago
Would you say this is a good example on Amazon of what you are recommending?
https://a.co/d/5kM19S3
I take Mercola's in pill form. Have been disappointed with others. Expensive compared to others of kind but cheap compared to hospital visit!
If youre taking vitamin C because you think it will keep you out of the hospital, then you are being scammed.
https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-is-expensive-pee?r=6hgshq
I take Altrient Lipsomal C (Liv On) who were apparently the company that originally produced this. There are varying levels of efficacy of liposomal. Sadly, the Altrient is somewhat on the expensive side.
Info at https://www.livonlabs.com/
I hope everyone is aware of the Dr. Paul Marik vitamin C protocol to treat sepsis.. Incredibly effective if instituted immediately and followed with the correct dosing and circumstances. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27940189/
(can also be found at IMA OR FLCCC) Of course the majority of hospitals refuse to use it. His COVID protocol also uses high dose vitamin C. It is good stuff and thank you for the article. Now that I have basically lost all faith in conventional medicine I realize they have been demonizing C and D for decades. Tragic
Dr. Fred Klenner claimed he could kill any bacteria and virus infection if he could get high doses of vitamin c into the patient early. His motto was to treat while you are waiting for a diagnosis. Dr. Marik advises the same for sepsis. Studies that tried to disprove his treatment waited a long time before starting the vitamin c protocol.
I don't demonize vitamin D, I just recognize its very limited usefulness: https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/why-your-vitamin-d-protocol-is-a?r=6hgshq
Hello ! This is a very interesting topic. If you are interested, I wrote a very lengthy article about the history of this therapy, the debates, the first ideas of Linus Pauling and the precise description of the Fenton reaction that leads to the endogeneous generation of the hydroxyl radical, leading to the death of the cancer cell. If you check my substack history, you will see that I made it open access for 2 to 3 weeks. This post is under a permanent paywall now. You will find a personal word from Leonard John Hoffer, the person who did all the vitamin C trials on cancer patients in the last decade. Feel free to take a look https://feedyourmind1111.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-and-cancer-a-50-years-debate-543
Super! Can you share the link please?
Pre Ice age humans produced 3grams Vitamin C internally with another 3-6g from fruit and vegetables. Serum Vitamin C depletes the bloods insulating properties, so those that were capable of switching off Vitamin C production were more able to survive the cold. Bioflavinoids work with Vitamin C and is recycled by Vitamin E; sourced from oil containing foods.
https://feedyourmind1111.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-and-cancer-a-50-years-debate-543
https://youtu.be/5Y8N4FQMWxQ?si=PucD-KO5EpLwESzC
https://feedyourmind1111.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-and-cancer-a-50-years-debate-543
I heard this from a 'conspiracy guy' better than 30 years ago.
Glad the study was released.
Will anything be done?
The first thing that came to mind in the write up was when they said the words “low cost”.
My easily fooled mind immediately thought that is exactly why it will be thrown in a dust bin with ivermectin.
https://feedyourmind1111.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-and-cancer-a-50-years-debate-543
Those who are dealing with cancer, or have a loved one who is, may also want to look into the work of Dr. Thomas Seyfried, PhD, a cancer researcher.
In this interview, he shares that:
- Cancer has been proven to not be genetic in origin.
- NOT feeding the cancer is key. Cancer feeds on carbs, so a very low to no carb diet (sugar & starch) while consuming natural, unoxidized fats (avoid liquid oils) while consuming enough high quality protein & fatty acids to support the healthy cells & tissues & immune system is essential.*
- Periodic water only fating is also helpful-but MUCH easier to do once one has 'kicked the carbs' and switched to burning fat for fuel, instead: nutritional ketosis. Aside from cancer, there are numerous health benefits to being in nutritional ketosis.
- Certain specific medicines can be an important part of overcoming cancer, including one with a far better safety profile -after decades of use and billions of doses- than Tylenol, or aspirin.
'How to Choke Out Cancer'
https://rumble.com/v6bzmcp-how-to-choke-out-cancer-dr.-thomas-seyfried.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_o&sci=dfdb8e12-8af2-4188-9bfb-094224bbf0d1
* 'WHO says meat causes cancer?' Dr. G.Ede. MD shares that there is no actual proof that meat or animal fat cause cancer, or any harm to the human body. See also video of the same title on YouTube.
https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/meat-and-cancer
And do you know who has known this for a LONG LONG time? The homeopaths and naturopaths. I know someone who has been taking high dose IV injections of Vit C for years rather than the noxious, toxic chemo the "experts" inject in the well-known cancer clinics. This is why we simply must turn more toward alternative medicine where they still believe in cures.
I know there has been loads of information, certainly since covid, about Vitamin D3 and other supplements that are effective, but I am glad that some attention is finally being given to Vitamin C. If I had to choose just one supplement to take, it would be Vitamin C. Obviously, I’m not taking a pharmacological dose of C, but have been taking it for years. When I feel the first sign of a cold or flu coming on, I dose myself with 5+ (or more) grams of C, and blast it right out of my system. Linus Pauling, of course, was discussing this years ago. And I was also fortunate enough to read Norman Cousins’ book Anatomy of an Illness years ago as well, where he survived a potentially fatal disease through pharmacological Vitamin C, laughter, and staying out of hospitals!
I always hated the fact that a great thinker and scientist, Linus Pauling, Ph.D, winner of not one but two Nobel Prizes, was demonized for his work on the importance of vitamin C to human health and in cancer prevention and treatment. He also noted that cancer is not genetic but metabolic, a critical finding. Doctors looked down on is work because he was a biochemist and not medically trained.
We always assumed we were at risk b/c most of our family members died of cancer, no heart disease. I am so happy Dr Pauling’s work is being vindicated by modern research studies that are not ‘designed to fail’.
The medical-industrial-Pharma monopoly teaches doctors very little about vital nutrition and vitamins, yet patients are told to consult their doctors BEFORE taking any vitamin, particularly in high doses.
In the early 2000’s bloodwork showed I was low in vitamin D, my doctor advised taking 450 iU of D3. Years later after much reading, I recognized this low level did absolutely NOTHING for my health and I upped my D3 with K2 intake to 5000 iU, now I take 10,000 iU daily and hope to get thru a winter without severe bronchitis as an asthmatic. I now also take 2000 mg of Liposomal Vitamin C. I was hovering at 89 ng/ml of D on my last blood work and plan to up my Liposomal C to at least 4000 mg a day. I am 74 y.o.and my only health issues are hypothyroid and somewhat overweight, and asthma for which I have a rarely needed albuterol inhaler.
When I asked my doctor about the ingredients of vaccines he stated he did not know but not to worry the science is settled, they are proven to be ‘safe & effective’ which is a marketing slogan taught to MD’s. The Covid Jab showed how UNSAFE vaccine products can be.
Having read Thomas Kuhn’s ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’ I am well aware that the science is never settled as the current paradigm will be displaced when new research finds a new effective hypothesis. The true nature of science is to question what is currently believed to be true. Overturning that belief and going to a new paradigm equates to scientific progress.
I am on Medicare and my Doc’s office asks me about vaccines on every visit, I always say ‘no thanks’.
I refrain from talking about all of the books and journal articles I have read on vaccines, vitamins or other medical or health topics as I have learned most traditional doctors look down upon all of us with no medical training, as if our brains are deep fried in stupidity in this one area of knowledge, despite our level of in depth study on these topics far beyond what their ‘education’ (indoctrination) offered them. I am in good company as they looked down on Dr Pauling too.
Here’s the other giant fraud in Medicine, we are always given the RRR (Relative Risk Reduction) statistic to ‘prove’ the effectiveness of a patented Pharma medication, not the ARR (absolute risk reduction) while in the UK doctors are REQUIRED to give you both. Statins are always ‘sold’ by doctors for a potential 30% reduction of heart attack using RRR, when in fact it is about 1% when ARR is used. These drugs have substantial side effects that are very dangerous for seniors (cognitive decline, muscle wasting/weakness and more) and if only 1 out 100 treated people is helped by statins, are they really worth the risks?
Modern medicine is geared toward the sale of the most expensive medications, vaccines, or treatments in cooperation with Pharma which gives gifts, trips, and vaccine ‘incentive’ payments to physician offices. Oncologists receive enormous payments for chemo drug infusions. This ‘treat the symptoms’ model is not about restoring health and curing disease. Rather it is about suppressing symptoms and keeping you on patented drugs for as long as possible. The other goal (as in cancer treatment) is to extract as much money as possible from the standard treatments, even when it is ‘hopeless’.
Vitamins cannot be patented, thus Pharma has no incentive to fund properly designed research studies on these remarkable substances...instead their studies are designed to show failure by improper dosing compared to treatment levels recommended by practitioners. They do the same with studies on drugs, which are off patent, like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.
I have a friend who is now 99 years old but moved away to live with family. I once asked about her incredible health and vitality back in her early 90’s, she said she always cooked real foods as an Italian and she often cooked for ‘elderly friends’ (in their 80’s or younger). She kept active by socializing and going dancing (!) and walked in our pools here in So Florida.
She said if she got a minor ailment her daughters bugged her to go to the doctor and doctors would always prescribe something. I asked if that worked out, she stated medicines always made her sick to her stomach after trying one so she lied to her doctors or kids that she took them, instead, she threw them out. We laughed uproariously! I met her in my late 60’s and went to a birthday party at a restaurant and knew none of the others but the oldest was about 73, so my friend was making new friends all the time. This beautiful woman outlived several doctors.
Look for doctors with open minds or naturopathic practitioners. Follow the great Substack authors revealing the truth.
Seek the truth about all matters affecting your health and do in depth research on any treatment recommendations by your doctors. The health you save may be your own.
I remember the last case of severe flu I had--some 25+ years ago. The short story here is that I haven't had the flu even once since I stopped getting flu vaccines...;) I am not anti-vaccine, of course, because I think that some vaccines are eminently worthwhile, such as the Polio vaccines, as I had the Salk growing up and then the Sabin oral vaccines. But when I discovered that the flu vaccine was simply a guess and that being vaccinated against a strain of flu that doesn't actually exist is a waste of time, I decided to stop it, and have not had the flu since. I quit smoking 30 years ago, and I also think that had a lot to do with being flu-free for so many years, but I do find it interesting that flu-shots seem to have been worthless--about like the worthless COVID-19 vaccinations the government attempted to panic everyone into getting. I took the first two, unfortunately, back in '21, about a month apart, before I learned that my suspicions about them from day 1 were correct. It's definitely a Caveat Emptor situation regarding vaccines today!
There is a recent large study (preprint April 4, 2025)on the flu vaccine by the Cleveland Clinic for the 2024-2025 Respiratory Viral Season for 53,402 employees and it showed negative efficacy for the vaccine.
Those who received the vaccine were 27% more likely to get the flu, compared to unvaccinated persons!
IMO, Probably due to Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE).
Of course, in peer-review they will try to undermine the study design, to prevent full publication.
I do not take products not tested for safety using inert placebos (no vaccines use these) or comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated outcomes (CC study did this).
I have noticed for years vaccination for flu starts September/October and flu emerges late October early November!
Beware!!
Hmmmm, yet again Sir Linus Pauling is shown to have been correct. Why am I not surprised?
I take 6 grams of Vitamin C over the course of a day to eliminate my eye floaters per Dr. Mercola.
If I stop or cheat with less per day some return.
Only challenge for some people is loose bowels until your system adjusts.
A Midwestern Doctor posted an excellent essay on DMSO for eyes, and how it helps floaters. You might find that of interest.
Thank you. I've seen other good medical info from A Midwestern Dr.
Here in little NZ around 6 years ago a man was in hospital with hairy cell leukaemia and swine flu. The hospital literally wanted to shut off his life support machine expecting him to die. Family wanted them to try IV vitamin C. Declined. So they got legal support to make them try Vit C. They began giving him liposomal c orally but very half heartedly & in small doses. The family themselves upped his doses. He came off the machine eventually, left the hospital & returned to normal work on his farm!! They would've killed him!! The white coats don't want you successfully healing with vitamins ... Big Pharma would take huge dents in their profits. (This was surprisingly highlighted in MSM television ... doco at the link)
https://envirowatchnz.com/2020/02/16/i-was-basically-dead-they-wanted-to-turn-me-off-the-waikato-man-subsequently-cured-from-swine-flu-with-vitamin-c/
NOTE the site link I've posted there will no longer work, I've been shut down as of this morning. (WP) Truth is being censored more and more. Kind of knew it would come eventually & it has. You will find the video on yt still anyway.
Now back online! WP error it seems. Whew.
A business associate used this therapy for throat cancer in 1980.
So what was the result
"Pharmacologic vitamin C reactivates TET enzymes, reversing abnormal DNA hypermethylation and restoring tumor-suppressor gene expression.
Multiple studies show induced differentiation and suppressed proliferation following high-dose intravenous vitamin C exposure."
Great reminder food is medicine or poison in the case of American diet.. also perfect example of how DNA sequences are snapshots in time that can change.. it is NOT a blueprint for life that is understood or improved by Biotech Mafia keyboard gene jockeys or AI models.
Can someone on here recommend a good vitamin C supplement?
There are so many brands and I don’t want to take GMO C.
I read an article that says whole food vitamin C is superior in its effectiveness vs ascorbic acid which is not.
I can teach you how to save money: https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-is-expensive-pee?r=6hgshq
So glad Vit C is getting it's recognition finally!! I've always believed in it. I know IV infusion is the way to go if you have a big problem...but I love juicing carrot, Orange, ginger elixir several times a month. It's beautiful and tastes incredible
Diet is the best way to get it, its fairly useless otherwise: https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/vitamin-c-is-expensive-pee?r=6hgshq