Iran has attacked NO country in over three centuries, Israel has attacked all of its neighbors and threatened destruction on countries further afield. The head of Iran banned nuclear weapons development in Iran and he was murdered by the USA and Israel. Look at the facts.
Iran is continuously attacking Israel through proxies, and has attacked Israel directly last year. Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979.
Surely you've seen John Leake go over the history several times in these threads. A quick summary on the years warhawks never mention:
1908, oil discovered in Iran, Britain takes the majority of the profits
1950, Iran proposes a 50/50 split as provided to the Saudis and others; turned down
1953, Iran nationalizes its oil
1953, CIA and MI6 overthrow the democratically elected president of Iran, install U.S. puppet, The Shah
1979, after years of murder, torture, and abuse, the Shah, is overthrown (thus beginning the 47 years of discord with the U.S. while ignoring our previous provocations)
1980-88, Iraq under U.S. puppet Saddam Hussein invades Iran, egged on by U.S. money, arms, and chemical/biological weapons. Iran finally wins, but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives.
Iran has not been at war with the U.S., no imminent threat existed (instead, we killed their negotiators), a declaration of war was required but not requested, and the US. attack on Iran is almost certainly an illegal war of aggression under international law, the kind outlawed by the Nuremberg Code. Iran seems to have the upper hand on the ground, and Trump needs a quick agreement to re-open the strait to save not only his presidency but the world economy.
israel's horrid aggressive entitled behavior makes all it's neighbors pre-emptive enemies. those "proxies" are necessary self defense against a supremacist sliver of a country that couldn't survive more than a few weeks if the US would just (please, i'm begging) withdraw it's support but wants all the land in sight and is willing to steal homes and murder the inhabitants. if i had a "neighbor" like israel, i'm want me a well armed proxy too!
Iran has attacked many countries thru its funding of the terror activities of Hamas, Hezbollah, & the Houthis.
Such attacks reflect a long pattern of ASYMMETRIC warfare by Iran against its neighbors & U.S. interests using those deniable proxies to avoid direct confrontation, i.e. They're cowards and liars.
Naive. Iran must be stripped of its capability to wreak nuclear havoc. Trump understands this while doing the hard part of leadership. LinkedIn corporate kumbaya leaders need not apply.
Ever heard of Hezbollah, Houthi's and the other terrorist groups, funded by Iran? Hezbollah had plenty to do with 10/2023 invading Israel - right?
Guess you're saying, they had nothing to do with 9/11.
So, Iraq started their war? Maybe they did.
Iran scatter shot all their neighbors day one of the current war. Israel has never done that, that I'm aware of.
More Iranian armed proxies
-I'm no fan of wiki, but this is what they have;
Armed groups:
MEK
Tudeh Party
Peykar
Furqan
Iran NEQAB
Union of Iranian Communists
Union of Communist Militants
Workers' Way
Fedaian (majority)
Fedaian (minority)
Fedai Guerrillas
Laborers' Party
Turkmen People's Cultural and Political Society
Separatists:
KDPI
Komala
DRFLA
PFLA
AFLA
Presenting Iran as squeaky clean - is bullshit, imo
So, 30,000 Iranians that were killed ( a few months ago) for protesting, doesn't count against them? They want to kill all Jews and Americans - guess that doesn't count.
That the Iranian negotiators bragged about having the uranium and their ability to make 11 nukes -- on the first day of negotiations... is telling, I'd say.
Anything you find about Iran in Wikipedia should be verified by other sources. Wikipedia is notorious for bias when it comes to controversial political issues, and there is evidence that the bias is inserted by British and American intelligence.
As for the assertion that "30,000 Iranians that were killed (a few months ago) for protesting", the actual figure is more in the range of 3,000, and these particular protests featured Mossad agents (publicly admitted by Israeli intelligence) and protesters equipped with weapons who assaulted police. The "30,000" claim is a classic example of a propaganda smear that is amplified by constant repetition.
Your ignorance at this point is hard to believe. 30,000 were not killed. That's Mossad's wet dream. Mossad killed a lot of people (and the Crown Prince begged them to kill more). They have no desire to kill Jews or Americans. Israel did bomb a major synagogue in Tehran, however, killing god knows how many Iranian Jews. You know nothing about internal politics of the country, clearly. The Tudeh Party is the communist party which no Iranian government wanted to deal with. MEK is a terrorist group funded by and collaborating with the CIA. Get your facts right. You are racist and unbelievably ignorant. Or maybe you're just a bot.
#1 - Who the fuck are you - the guy with all the answers? Prove it wasn't 30k --- or as poster Auld said, it was 3,000 killed. I agree the Iranian citizenry doesn't want to kill Americans or Jews - you're saying the regime doesn't?. You're right though, I don't obsess about the various sects of Iran politics. I'll pass and do trust this admin.
#2 - Call me ignorant to my face, you'll find, I'm not a bot. Visit coastal NC and I'll buy you a few beers. Call me racist to my face - and you'll be spitting your teeth out on the sidewalk. Ignorant? Well, I don't pretend to know it all -- if that's your approach - you lost the rebuttal, before you started.
#3 - I don't trust wiki - but why would they lie about that? So - the rest of their list was accurate, save your claim about Tudeh and MEK?
You prove nothing - except that your an Iranian sympathizer. Good for you! Move there.... btw smearing with bogus attacks, is so 2020. Fuck you.
No. The regime does not want to kill Americans or Jews. It does want to put an end to Israel's aggression against everyone in the region. And it does want the American military to leave the region. I do too. I fully support these goals. Who am I? An American who grew up in Iran so I guess I know more about the country than you do. The Zionists regularly weight wiki entries with their dishonest propaganda. I don't drink. And I recommend you not use telecommunications to threaten people. That's a felony, I think. I am not familiar with the other groups so I don't say anything about them. But you mention Tudeh and MEK as Iranian proxies which is so far from the truth I do not think you know much about Iran. Am I an Iranian sympathizer? I predicted the Revolution when I was just a kid after living there for only five days. I predicted the result of this war before the idiot Americans even began. And on October 7, 2023 I predicted this would cause the end of Israel. I've predicted a lot of other things about the Middle East decades before they happened because I know the region, just as you know NC, one would think. I also predicted back in 1979, even though I wasn't keen about Khomeini taking a leadership role in the Revolution (I wasn't surprised as the CIA usually kills off any moderates who might succeed), that Iran would find a form of government that was culturally appropriate (which the Shah's regime certainly was not) and that in the end it would succeed in its fight for sovereignty and in its support of those neighbors who were being slaughtered by the US and Israel. The US has been on the wrong side of this fight since 1947 so none of this surprises me. FYI, in 1973 the US was paying $30 a barrel of oil. In 2026 it started the year paying close to the same amount despite the outrageous inflation we have experienced since 1973. We should be paying at least $200 a barrel but I know we won't. Not now. I suggest you do some reading and hope some day you can go to Iran to see what a remarkable country it is. I am sure the Iranian government will grow and change--it has already changed quite a lot in response to discontent within its citizenry. But that's neither my nor your business. I want ALL the countries in the region to create the governments their citizens want without any foreign intervention, and that includes Palestine. Our power no longer exists, in any case, and if OUR regime is not to change before the next election we need to keep our mitts to ourselves. I, for one, would like to see our President given a private suite of rooms (one bedroom with attached bath) in a mental hospital. He clearly needs to be institutionalized. Soon. But no American has a right to determine Iran's government for them. That's ridiculous.
These days I think facts are bothersome minutia, not to waste time on when you can build your own narrative. No one researches but suck up the dull drone of the lying media.
Why did the population of Iran protest en masse earlier this year, and why were up to 40,000 of them slaughtered in the streets?
According to Natl Archives, 55,220 perished in the Viet Nam war. Iran's losses are near parity and occurred inside of a week--allegedly two days. That is phenomenal murder. In fact, one might as well liken it to war/invasion...of its own population. So, yes Iran has attacked others, wickedly.
The US tried to tank the rial to create anger towards the government, about which they boasted quite loudly. This, after 46 years of severe sanctions which only resulted in Iran developing a surprisingly strong economy independent of the almighty dollar (which has been melting away since 9/11 at an alarming rate because of American aggression in Ukraine and Gaza). A lot of Iranians have been killed by the American sanctions. (The dollar has also lost value due to a great deal of grift by this and other administrations--reference Catherine Austin Fitts.) The demonstrations about the economy were completely peaceful...until Mossad infiltrated and ordered Iranian subversives to kill people at random on the streets and the Iranian government, after noting who had received computers with StarLink with which to receive instructions from Mossad, took action against those committing treason from within (as well as whatever Mossad they could locate). Mossad et al. burned to death unarmed policemen, beheaded innocent Iranians on the street to witness what was going on, etc. The pathetic Crown Prince wanted more dead. He's an embarrassment to the nation of Iran. What a dweeb. He'll never be welcome there again.
ACTUALLY, THE MAJOR STICKING POINT is Iran's propensity for being deceitful....i.e. lying, & cheating ---- over & over & over, which is dangerous viewed alongside their past & even current actions and behavior.
NO, I deal with the clear reality of actions & behavior. You deal with something not remotely related to either, but definitely out of stuff you read or, more likely, DON'T SEE IN LEGACY MEDIA. I could go & produce a VERY LONG LIST of Iran's deceitful behavior over & over....I've been witnessing it for a long time. But denial & ignorance like yours should simply be brushed off.
Israel is tiny (some say the size of New Jersey). Surrounded by Muslim nations (Lebanon is the least at 68 percent Muslim). If Israel is such a murdererous state to its neighbors, why have they not used their nuclear weapons? Because despite what Tucker and company say, Israel is focused on defense. Jordan and Egypt have been at peace with Israel since 1994 since peace treaties were signed. Why doesn't Lebanon just sign a peace treaty instead of being at war with Israel since 1947? Israel doesn't chant death to Iran. Yet Iran chants "death to Israel"? Iran was not as hostile and had somewhat peaceful relations with Israel until this regime took control in 1979.
I understand why Israel keeps those nuclear weapons.
You don't know what you are talking about. Israel has been trying to take Iran out since I first got there in 1967. They have always viewed Iran as a competitor. Hezbollah wouldn't have existed if it weren't for Israel's murderous invasion in 2006. Actually, they collaborated with the tiny Maronnite Christian minority in 1982 to enter the Sabra and Shatilla Palestinian refugee camps where they butchered a huge number of people. Lebanon has not been at war with Israel since 1947. Who told you that? You don't know what you are talking about. The countries surrounding Israel (as well as Palestine itself) are multi-religious. Israel has never been defensive. They have been the aggressors since at least the 1920s. Have you never heard of the King David Hotel? Bombing it is how they got the Brits to leave, finally. Ungrateful little shits. Back in 1956 they were bombing Jews in Syria and Iraq, trying to convince them that Muslims were bombing them to get them to leave and move to Palestine so the Ashkenazi could claim the right to even more stolen land. Israelis have always been the aggressors. You have no idea what the Middle East was like before the Ashkenazi showed up. Listen to Gilad Atzmon's interview. And stop making things up. You sound like a child.
Israel has stolen nuclear materials (uranium and krytron switches) from the USA. Iran doesn't have that on their resume. We also cannot ignore the Samson Option that notes Israel will use nuclear weapons.
With Trump's threat to wipe out a civilization we have to assume that it would take nuclear weapons to carry out that threat. If Trump's threat was an idle threat then it was reckless to even assert such a taunt while negotiating with a country claimed to be an imminent threat. How many countries were put on high alert due to such a cavalier attitude by the so called "leader of the free world". We want to have the best kind of leaders to lead us as Americans and instead we keep getting the worst. Trump has lowered the bar to a new low.
Yes. They have supported a move to remove all nuclear weapons from the entire Middle East. In fact, everyone in the Middle East would sign that...except for Israel, of course. Israel won't allow inspections of their nuclear industry, which is why they participated in the assassination of JFK. Iran did send a bomb very near Dimona so Israel would know that if Iran wanted to hit Israel's nuclear installations, they could. But they're too ethical to injure "innocent" (if such a thing is possible, I think not) Israelis.
John, brilliiant and insightful: here is the truth: it is not irrational to want to obliterate Israel, the most destructive state, fraudulently created with great cost, to the entire regioan and to peaceful Arab coexistance. Zionism does not want peace, ever. it wants mayhem for the greater expansion. Having nukes to protect its people from Israel is not irrational, nor is its use. the so called Iran proxies , hamas, Hezbolah, are a direct creation against Zionism, not the other way around.
The Rogue terrorist state, genocidal state is Zionist Israel, we all know it, but dare not say outloud, due to Holocaust blackmail.."you oppose me becuase you want to burn me in ovens."
this trope needs to end now, before Israel/Zionism destroys us all. WE all know this but are terrifed by Aipac money, rich jews in the US OF A, the highjacking of our foreign policy. the US of A , doing Irael;s biz, is the cause of countless millions dead, in Iraq, Aphganistan, Libya, Sudan.
Where is the courageous leader who will terminate Israel's control of US of A.
When you reference the word Zion can you be more specific on what that represents? The origin of the name Zion is from Mount Zion where the Jebusite fortress of the Canaanites in the stronghold of Zion. David conquered the stronghold and renamed it the City of David. The terminology of Zion evolved from there to be associated to a city (Jerusalem), a temple (Solomon), a bank (Zions), and to a political ideology (Zionists) to establish a nation for an ethnocentric Jewish state in Palestine. The later is based on false assertions and deceitful methods in which the state of Israel was forged and in how it operates. The idolatrous thinking is to believe that just because a nation calls itself Israel and uses the term Zionism that it's existence is either divine or reflective of a nation of people who existed thousands of years ago. In fact the opposite seems to be the case as we see a genocidal people who use terror and violence to enact punishment and judgment. We have seen these behaviors throughout history and must recognize them for what they are.
One could make a strong argument that the most rational decision that Iran could now make is to move forward in developing a nuclear deterrent, following in the footsteps of North Korea, which was largely obliterated by the US Air Force in 1950-53.
And if that day should come, the regime would think that the day has at long-last has arrived: the death of the Great Satan and the Little Satan: will come to pass...or maybe jsut the death of Israel since they are much closer than the U.S...unless Israel receives intelligence what Iran is up to. But I would foresee that that would be the end of Iran's civilization, either by Israel or the U.S.
But I distinctly remember our president saying just 1-2 weeks ago: that he didn't even care about the uranium anymore. What a mystery the guy is, huh. To suggest a bit of levity, which us Irishmen lies to do when tensions arises: Maybe at that point in time when the president said that he didn't care about Iran's uranium, maybe he was thinking, 'ok, now I can at last end their civilization!'
One hasn’t made the argument that “one could make a strong argument that the most rational decision that Iran could now make is to move forward in developing a nuclear deterrent”
Trump says things with full discernment of the relevant listeners, giving the message he wants them to hear.
I, who like millions of my kind (America Firsters) put Trump back into office, would rejoice if he were executed for his High Treason and Crimes Against Humanity. Death to Trump and his Jewish Masters.
It doesn't make sense to me that Iran didn't give up the uranium in 1963 and here we are in 2026 is again expected too? That is absolutely crazy! Why would they?
But Israel has nuclear weapons, I have never understood why others can't. Do you think one is more aggressive than the other by their actions? Who has been attacking who? The ones that have it, like NK, Pakistan, etc never get attacked. I don't hear that being discussed. Scott Ritter says Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. So what is all the panic about ? I should say "aggression".
Interestingly, 60% of the population is the number of Christians living in Iran. No one ever talks about that. The oldest Christian sects in the world are in Iran.
2. Did the German civilians fight the Allies to the end after Germany was bombed into smithereens? Did the Japanese? Why not? The Leake Postulate says the should have.
3. Consider that Pakistan has a future ahead of it, and the story of history is not over. Thus, neither Leake nor Grok can say that acquisition of nukes was of no consequence. All they can say is, not to date. Nuclear proliferation is not a good thing, and KNOWN bad actors certainly are good candidates for preventive measures. Once in the club, you see, they become venomous and tangling is ill-advised.
As far as IRGC and nuke materiel, do you think intel has the ability to ferret out facts as to the existence and possession thereof? If likely so, then it stands to reason that much future effort will be placed upon accounting for known/highly suspected quantities.
It should be clear from recent events that Iran is full of very clever people with enormous engineering skills. Had Iran wanted a nuclear weapon it would have had one decades ago.
Folks pro and con might learn something from Mike Adams' interview of former weapons inspector Scott Ritter. Ritter is tough on Trump, but even those still supporting Trump should care about his analysis that if Hormuz isn't opened quickly, Asia and Europe will be facing depression and the Trump Presidency will end with this year's midterm elections. If the Senate goes in addition to the House, Trump could even be convicted. Ritter says Trump is well aware of this (Susie Wiles too, I'd add) and will likely do anything to avoid the ignominy:
Scott Ritter Interview: Illegal War on Iran & Collapse of U.S. Power
Warhawks might remember that the consensus after the 2024 election was that the Democrats were disgraced and finished, possibly never to recover. Steady as she goes, with a little more spine on election integrity and DOGE, would have won 2028 for Republicans. But listening to Miriam, Bibi, Lindsey, and ex-Never Trumper Mark Levin, Trump threw it all away. The old saying is that anyone can commit a murder, but it takes a real expert to commit a suicide. Trump gets most of the blame for his seppuku, but those four "jockeys" sure whipped their horse to the glue factory.
Grok can be the ultimate echo chamber that tailors itself to its user. If the uranium cannot be taken in short order (likely) then denying access and capacity for enrichment is a utilitarian substitute.
"There is limited, mostly speculative or rhetorical evidence that the Iranian regime is an “irrational actor” that rejects the Cold War doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), and virtually no concrete evidence of state-level actions that demonstrate suicidal irrationality."
I guess Grok is unaware of all the terrorist proxies doing their killing for them.
Grok has a short term memory machine brain cramp; The ho bag regime killed ~30,000 of their own citizens, for speaking their minds.... a few months ago.
They use humans (their own citizens) as shields. as a deterrent... including school girls. We needed better intel.... Anyone notice the mostly women human shields, in their black dresses with scarves - last Tuesday evening - around their energy installations? How many ladies wish they lived in Iran?
Where did that "30,000 of their own citizens" figure come from? I am sure you don't know, as there is strong evidence it was made up. You heard or read it somewhere and you choose to believe it. The real figure is more like 3,000 protesters killed--one tenth the number--and these included people who had been supplied guns by western intelligence to attack the police with. There is a long history of this kind of thing going on in Iran, including the 1953 overthrow of the Mossadegh government, organized by the CIA, led by Kermit Roosevelt. There is nothing secret about this history--I read about it when I was in elementary school in the 1960's. The U.S. and Britain have been infiltrating and interfering with governments around the world ever since WWII ended, and it is still going on.
My investigation revealed that an independent Iranian physician, after having treated a large# of victims of the regime’s indiscriminate shooting of January 2026 protesters contacted other independent physicians around the country & queried them about what they were seeing & treating & came up with that estimate. Sounds pretty independent & reliable to me.
What is your basis for disputing that? Orange Man Bad?
If you're sure I don't know... I do know this - you show no references 'as there is strong evidence'. Where/what is that "evidence" ?
You read 'it' in the 50's.... maybe McCarthy wrote... or Hoover wrote, what you read? I don't mean to be a prick -- but your rebuttal doesn't include a shred of evidence, b/c somebody, said something about what "really happened". Walter C. seemed to be a true blue patriot that we all trusted. Conkrite didn't mention anything about more than one shooter in Dallas... he didn't question (to us anyway) all the other details that didn't fit the puzzle. So - they're all subject to wrong information.
We do know that the CIA still runs operation Mockingbird. Anybody's opinion that, we've been hood winked, is totally fair - but you might be fooling yourself by accepting narratives without hard evidence.
*did you see the mostly female human shield around Iran's energy plants last Tuesday evening? Same with the school girls at a military installation. We likely didn't have good intel - or Iran made fabricated that event.....
Just read where FBI files uncovered, show that the MA FBI ran a practice J6, dry run scenario. Sounds to me like event 201 in the fall of 2019, where Gates and the plandemic planners, structured the covid hoax - and the covid hoax response(s).
The MSM/deep state is full of lies, psyops and fabricated propaganda. I'll give you my Missouri response; Show me.
Very good use of AI. The statement “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” might very well be true. Thank you John, for your thoughts!
thank you, sir, another wonderful and measured piece of writing. you have to wonder why Americians never seem to get it. are we just dense? why can't we understand psychology? we think we can bully or bomb people into submission but that just makes them want to fight us harder. Iran is fighting for it's survival; the US is fighting for the hell of it. or because Israel told us to. we have no motivation beyond Trump's embarrassed ego, which is hardly a good reason to spend billions that we don't have and risk the deaths of many soldiers. also, we didn't have a plan, other than "get this done before the markets open;" whereas Iran has obviously thought this through very carefully.
and finally, because we lie about everything, we can't honestly assess our strengths and weaknesses, which we do have in spite of our claims to "greatness."
Iran knows it's weaknesses and has come up with a strategy that compensates for them. we rely on the 3 B's- bluster, bragging and bullying.
i remember Witkoff awhile back, saying "Iran has to capitulate." anyone who uses the word "capitulate" in a sentence is NOT negotiating. even his title- Special Envoy for Peace- is a lie. you don't get to peace by demanding that your adversary (one you caused to make an adversary) become your slave.
i am horrified by my country's behavior, but then, i have been for many years through many costly but unnecessary wars that never improved any country we tried to dominate. generally, the American people eventually tire of all the bombastic propaganda and the coffins coming home and the helicopter escapes off the roof of the embassy.
Trump tells us we can't have nice things and that the government's only job is to make constant war. i'm not sure i want to live in a country with that belief system. i'm not asking for government healthcare. seeing how they fucked up during covid was enough to make me not want government anything.
but could our trains at least work? i regularly commuted from NY Penn Station home to NJ, not some rural backwater route, in 2015. the trains often didn't have working lights and bounced around so much that you couldn't leave your seat. the floor was sticky and there was litter everywhere. meanwhile, in france a beautiful train moving at lightning speed and you could have performed a ballet in the aisles. the dining car had wonderful local fresh food. years ago!
but at least we can have war all the time. what a comfort.
i'm hoping Iran teaches us a lesson and we suffer a good bit of humiliation on the world stage. i'd like to try living in a functioning nation for a change instead of an Empire in decline run by mad men and constantly at war
Iran has attacked NO country in over three centuries, Israel has attacked all of its neighbors and threatened destruction on countries further afield. The head of Iran banned nuclear weapons development in Iran and he was murdered by the USA and Israel. Look at the facts.
Iran is continuously attacking Israel through proxies, and has attacked Israel directly last year. Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979.
Surely you've seen John Leake go over the history several times in these threads. A quick summary on the years warhawks never mention:
1908, oil discovered in Iran, Britain takes the majority of the profits
1950, Iran proposes a 50/50 split as provided to the Saudis and others; turned down
1953, Iran nationalizes its oil
1953, CIA and MI6 overthrow the democratically elected president of Iran, install U.S. puppet, The Shah
1979, after years of murder, torture, and abuse, the Shah, is overthrown (thus beginning the 47 years of discord with the U.S. while ignoring our previous provocations)
1980-88, Iraq under U.S. puppet Saddam Hussein invades Iran, egged on by U.S. money, arms, and chemical/biological weapons. Iran finally wins, but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives.
Iran has not been at war with the U.S., no imminent threat existed (instead, we killed their negotiators), a declaration of war was required but not requested, and the US. attack on Iran is almost certainly an illegal war of aggression under international law, the kind outlawed by the Nuremberg Code. Iran seems to have the upper hand on the ground, and Trump needs a quick agreement to re-open the strait to save not only his presidency but the world economy.
israel's horrid aggressive entitled behavior makes all it's neighbors pre-emptive enemies. those "proxies" are necessary self defense against a supremacist sliver of a country that couldn't survive more than a few weeks if the US would just (please, i'm begging) withdraw it's support but wants all the land in sight and is willing to steal homes and murder the inhabitants. if i had a "neighbor" like israel, i'm want me a well armed proxy too!
Iran has attacked many countries thru its funding of the terror activities of Hamas, Hezbollah, & the Houthis.
Such attacks reflect a long pattern of ASYMMETRIC warfare by Iran against its neighbors & U.S. interests using those deniable proxies to avoid direct confrontation, i.e. They're cowards and liars.
Naive. Iran must be stripped of its capability to wreak nuclear havoc. Trump understands this while doing the hard part of leadership. LinkedIn corporate kumbaya leaders need not apply.
If he banned, why have enriched uranium?
Ever heard of Hezbollah, Houthi's and the other terrorist groups, funded by Iran? Hezbollah had plenty to do with 10/2023 invading Israel - right?
Guess you're saying, they had nothing to do with 9/11.
So, Iraq started their war? Maybe they did.
Iran scatter shot all their neighbors day one of the current war. Israel has never done that, that I'm aware of.
More Iranian armed proxies
-I'm no fan of wiki, but this is what they have;
Armed groups:
MEK
Tudeh Party
Peykar
Furqan
Iran NEQAB
Union of Iranian Communists
Union of Communist Militants
Workers' Way
Fedaian (majority)
Fedaian (minority)
Fedai Guerrillas
Laborers' Party
Turkmen People's Cultural and Political Society
Separatists:
KDPI
Komala
DRFLA
PFLA
AFLA
Presenting Iran as squeaky clean - is bullshit, imo
So, 30,000 Iranians that were killed ( a few months ago) for protesting, doesn't count against them? They want to kill all Jews and Americans - guess that doesn't count.
That the Iranian negotiators bragged about having the uranium and their ability to make 11 nukes -- on the first day of negotiations... is telling, I'd say.
No idea why you, or anyone, wants to defend Iran.
Anything you find about Iran in Wikipedia should be verified by other sources. Wikipedia is notorious for bias when it comes to controversial political issues, and there is evidence that the bias is inserted by British and American intelligence.
As for the assertion that "30,000 Iranians that were killed (a few months ago) for protesting", the actual figure is more in the range of 3,000, and these particular protests featured Mossad agents (publicly admitted by Israeli intelligence) and protesters equipped with weapons who assaulted police. The "30,000" claim is a classic example of a propaganda smear that is amplified by constant repetition.
Fair points.
Are you telling me, that the proxy list is wrong?
So, 3,000 murders of your own citizens, is OK b/c it's not 30,000? Links to back that statement of 3k vs 30k?
My understanding, is the Iranian citizenry can't own fire arms. They'll kill you - for less.
Links to corroborate these armed attacks? I didn't see that with the MSM clips shown. Links to back that statement up?
Did you see the mostly women - as a human shield around their energy plants last Tuesday evening?
Your ignorance at this point is hard to believe. 30,000 were not killed. That's Mossad's wet dream. Mossad killed a lot of people (and the Crown Prince begged them to kill more). They have no desire to kill Jews or Americans. Israel did bomb a major synagogue in Tehran, however, killing god knows how many Iranian Jews. You know nothing about internal politics of the country, clearly. The Tudeh Party is the communist party which no Iranian government wanted to deal with. MEK is a terrorist group funded by and collaborating with the CIA. Get your facts right. You are racist and unbelievably ignorant. Or maybe you're just a bot.
#1 - Who the fuck are you - the guy with all the answers? Prove it wasn't 30k --- or as poster Auld said, it was 3,000 killed. I agree the Iranian citizenry doesn't want to kill Americans or Jews - you're saying the regime doesn't?. You're right though, I don't obsess about the various sects of Iran politics. I'll pass and do trust this admin.
#2 - Call me ignorant to my face, you'll find, I'm not a bot. Visit coastal NC and I'll buy you a few beers. Call me racist to my face - and you'll be spitting your teeth out on the sidewalk. Ignorant? Well, I don't pretend to know it all -- if that's your approach - you lost the rebuttal, before you started.
#3 - I don't trust wiki - but why would they lie about that? So - the rest of their list was accurate, save your claim about Tudeh and MEK?
You prove nothing - except that your an Iranian sympathizer. Good for you! Move there.... btw smearing with bogus attacks, is so 2020. Fuck you.
No. The regime does not want to kill Americans or Jews. It does want to put an end to Israel's aggression against everyone in the region. And it does want the American military to leave the region. I do too. I fully support these goals. Who am I? An American who grew up in Iran so I guess I know more about the country than you do. The Zionists regularly weight wiki entries with their dishonest propaganda. I don't drink. And I recommend you not use telecommunications to threaten people. That's a felony, I think. I am not familiar with the other groups so I don't say anything about them. But you mention Tudeh and MEK as Iranian proxies which is so far from the truth I do not think you know much about Iran. Am I an Iranian sympathizer? I predicted the Revolution when I was just a kid after living there for only five days. I predicted the result of this war before the idiot Americans even began. And on October 7, 2023 I predicted this would cause the end of Israel. I've predicted a lot of other things about the Middle East decades before they happened because I know the region, just as you know NC, one would think. I also predicted back in 1979, even though I wasn't keen about Khomeini taking a leadership role in the Revolution (I wasn't surprised as the CIA usually kills off any moderates who might succeed), that Iran would find a form of government that was culturally appropriate (which the Shah's regime certainly was not) and that in the end it would succeed in its fight for sovereignty and in its support of those neighbors who were being slaughtered by the US and Israel. The US has been on the wrong side of this fight since 1947 so none of this surprises me. FYI, in 1973 the US was paying $30 a barrel of oil. In 2026 it started the year paying close to the same amount despite the outrageous inflation we have experienced since 1973. We should be paying at least $200 a barrel but I know we won't. Not now. I suggest you do some reading and hope some day you can go to Iran to see what a remarkable country it is. I am sure the Iranian government will grow and change--it has already changed quite a lot in response to discontent within its citizenry. But that's neither my nor your business. I want ALL the countries in the region to create the governments their citizens want without any foreign intervention, and that includes Palestine. Our power no longer exists, in any case, and if OUR regime is not to change before the next election we need to keep our mitts to ourselves. I, for one, would like to see our President given a private suite of rooms (one bedroom with attached bath) in a mental hospital. He clearly needs to be institutionalized. Soon. But no American has a right to determine Iran's government for them. That's ridiculous.
These days I think facts are bothersome minutia, not to waste time on when you can build your own narrative. No one researches but suck up the dull drone of the lying media.
Why did the population of Iran protest en masse earlier this year, and why were up to 40,000 of them slaughtered in the streets?
According to Natl Archives, 55,220 perished in the Viet Nam war. Iran's losses are near parity and occurred inside of a week--allegedly two days. That is phenomenal murder. In fact, one might as well liken it to war/invasion...of its own population. So, yes Iran has attacked others, wickedly.
The US tried to tank the rial to create anger towards the government, about which they boasted quite loudly. This, after 46 years of severe sanctions which only resulted in Iran developing a surprisingly strong economy independent of the almighty dollar (which has been melting away since 9/11 at an alarming rate because of American aggression in Ukraine and Gaza). A lot of Iranians have been killed by the American sanctions. (The dollar has also lost value due to a great deal of grift by this and other administrations--reference Catherine Austin Fitts.) The demonstrations about the economy were completely peaceful...until Mossad infiltrated and ordered Iranian subversives to kill people at random on the streets and the Iranian government, after noting who had received computers with StarLink with which to receive instructions from Mossad, took action against those committing treason from within (as well as whatever Mossad they could locate). Mossad et al. burned to death unarmed policemen, beheaded innocent Iranians on the street to witness what was going on, etc. The pathetic Crown Prince wanted more dead. He's an embarrassment to the nation of Iran. What a dweeb. He'll never be welcome there again.
facts schmacts nobody cares about facts.
ACTUALLY, THE MAJOR STICKING POINT is Iran's propensity for being deceitful....i.e. lying, & cheating ---- over & over & over, which is dangerous viewed alongside their past & even current actions and behavior.
I think you made a mistake. Israel is deceitful
Nope, that contest would not even be close
That's correct. No country in history is as openly deceitful as Israel. Shamelessly deceitful
Way out of touch with reality…
You can't possibly be serious OR dealing with anything that looks like reality if you are denying Iran's propensity for deceit and double dealing.
Pure, crystalline projection. You are describing the Zionists (in Israel and the U.S.)
Congratulations, MAGA has committed suicide.
https://youtu.be/XLVjiLepNps?si=6oV8dVG6OSnhQP5_
NO, I deal with the clear reality of actions & behavior. You deal with something not remotely related to either, but definitely out of stuff you read or, more likely, DON'T SEE IN LEGACY MEDIA. I could go & produce a VERY LONG LIST of Iran's deceitful behavior over & over....I've been witnessing it for a long time. But denial & ignorance like yours should simply be brushed off.
You’ve been delusional for a long time.
The nuclear elephant in the Middle East room is that no politician admits to:
Israel has nuclear weapons.
Would Iran give up its nuclear materials if Israel gave up their weapons?
Israel is tiny (some say the size of New Jersey). Surrounded by Muslim nations (Lebanon is the least at 68 percent Muslim). If Israel is such a murdererous state to its neighbors, why have they not used their nuclear weapons? Because despite what Tucker and company say, Israel is focused on defense. Jordan and Egypt have been at peace with Israel since 1994 since peace treaties were signed. Why doesn't Lebanon just sign a peace treaty instead of being at war with Israel since 1947? Israel doesn't chant death to Iran. Yet Iran chants "death to Israel"? Iran was not as hostile and had somewhat peaceful relations with Israel until this regime took control in 1979.
I understand why Israel keeps those nuclear weapons.
You don't know what you are talking about. Israel has been trying to take Iran out since I first got there in 1967. They have always viewed Iran as a competitor. Hezbollah wouldn't have existed if it weren't for Israel's murderous invasion in 2006. Actually, they collaborated with the tiny Maronnite Christian minority in 1982 to enter the Sabra and Shatilla Palestinian refugee camps where they butchered a huge number of people. Lebanon has not been at war with Israel since 1947. Who told you that? You don't know what you are talking about. The countries surrounding Israel (as well as Palestine itself) are multi-religious. Israel has never been defensive. They have been the aggressors since at least the 1920s. Have you never heard of the King David Hotel? Bombing it is how they got the Brits to leave, finally. Ungrateful little shits. Back in 1956 they were bombing Jews in Syria and Iraq, trying to convince them that Muslims were bombing them to get them to leave and move to Palestine so the Ashkenazi could claim the right to even more stolen land. Israelis have always been the aggressors. You have no idea what the Middle East was like before the Ashkenazi showed up. Listen to Gilad Atzmon's interview. And stop making things up. You sound like a child.
Wow so full of vitriol and hate
Read "Dangerous Liaison" by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn.
Israel has stolen nuclear materials (uranium and krytron switches) from the USA. Iran doesn't have that on their resume. We also cannot ignore the Samson Option that notes Israel will use nuclear weapons.
With Trump's threat to wipe out a civilization we have to assume that it would take nuclear weapons to carry out that threat. If Trump's threat was an idle threat then it was reckless to even assert such a taunt while negotiating with a country claimed to be an imminent threat. How many countries were put on high alert due to such a cavalier attitude by the so called "leader of the free world". We want to have the best kind of leaders to lead us as Americans and instead we keep getting the worst. Trump has lowered the bar to a new low.
Iran has offered that repeatedly. Israel must also sign the nuclear non proliferation treaty and open up its nuclear plants to weapons inspections
Excellent point.
Yes. They have supported a move to remove all nuclear weapons from the entire Middle East. In fact, everyone in the Middle East would sign that...except for Israel, of course. Israel won't allow inspections of their nuclear industry, which is why they participated in the assassination of JFK. Iran did send a bomb very near Dimona so Israel would know that if Iran wanted to hit Israel's nuclear installations, they could. But they're too ethical to injure "innocent" (if such a thing is possible, I think not) Israelis.
John, brilliiant and insightful: here is the truth: it is not irrational to want to obliterate Israel, the most destructive state, fraudulently created with great cost, to the entire regioan and to peaceful Arab coexistance. Zionism does not want peace, ever. it wants mayhem for the greater expansion. Having nukes to protect its people from Israel is not irrational, nor is its use. the so called Iran proxies , hamas, Hezbolah, are a direct creation against Zionism, not the other way around.
The Rogue terrorist state, genocidal state is Zionist Israel, we all know it, but dare not say outloud, due to Holocaust blackmail.."you oppose me becuase you want to burn me in ovens."
this trope needs to end now, before Israel/Zionism destroys us all. WE all know this but are terrifed by Aipac money, rich jews in the US OF A, the highjacking of our foreign policy. the US of A , doing Irael;s biz, is the cause of countless millions dead, in Iraq, Aphganistan, Libya, Sudan.
Where is the courageous leader who will terminate Israel's control of US of A.
Let all those persons who hate Zion be turned backward and brought to shame.
When you reference the word Zion can you be more specific on what that represents? The origin of the name Zion is from Mount Zion where the Jebusite fortress of the Canaanites in the stronghold of Zion. David conquered the stronghold and renamed it the City of David. The terminology of Zion evolved from there to be associated to a city (Jerusalem), a temple (Solomon), a bank (Zions), and to a political ideology (Zionists) to establish a nation for an ethnocentric Jewish state in Palestine. The later is based on false assertions and deceitful methods in which the state of Israel was forged and in how it operates. The idolatrous thinking is to believe that just because a nation calls itself Israel and uses the term Zionism that it's existence is either divine or reflective of a nation of people who existed thousands of years ago. In fact the opposite seems to be the case as we see a genocidal people who use terror and violence to enact punishment and judgment. We have seen these behaviors throughout history and must recognize them for what they are.
By their fruits you should know them.
One could make a strong argument that the most rational decision that Iran could now make is to move forward in developing a nuclear deterrent, following in the footsteps of North Korea, which was largely obliterated by the US Air Force in 1950-53.
And if that day should come, the regime would think that the day has at long-last has arrived: the death of the Great Satan and the Little Satan: will come to pass...or maybe jsut the death of Israel since they are much closer than the U.S...unless Israel receives intelligence what Iran is up to. But I would foresee that that would be the end of Iran's civilization, either by Israel or the U.S.
But I distinctly remember our president saying just 1-2 weeks ago: that he didn't even care about the uranium anymore. What a mystery the guy is, huh. To suggest a bit of levity, which us Irishmen lies to do when tensions arises: Maybe at that point in time when the president said that he didn't care about Iran's uranium, maybe he was thinking, 'ok, now I can at last end their civilization!'
One hasn’t made the argument that “one could make a strong argument that the most rational decision that Iran could now make is to move forward in developing a nuclear deterrent”
Trump says things with full discernment of the relevant listeners, giving the message he wants them to hear.
In my opinion, Iran wants Nuclear weapons to make them “unattackable”
I, who like millions of my kind (America Firsters) put Trump back into office, would rejoice if he were executed for his High Treason and Crimes Against Humanity. Death to Trump and his Jewish Masters.
What did Madame DeFarge say as she sat in front of the guillotine knitting?
It doesn't make sense to me that Iran didn't give up the uranium in 1963 and here we are in 2026 is again expected too? That is absolutely crazy! Why would they?
But Israel has nuclear weapons, I have never understood why others can't. Do you think one is more aggressive than the other by their actions? Who has been attacking who? The ones that have it, like NK, Pakistan, etc never get attacked. I don't hear that being discussed. Scott Ritter says Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. So what is all the panic about ? I should say "aggression".
Interestingly, 60% of the population is the number of Christians living in Iran. No one ever talks about that. The oldest Christian sects in the world are in Iran.
1. Where did Grok end and Leake begin?
2. Did the German civilians fight the Allies to the end after Germany was bombed into smithereens? Did the Japanese? Why not? The Leake Postulate says the should have.
3. Consider that Pakistan has a future ahead of it, and the story of history is not over. Thus, neither Leake nor Grok can say that acquisition of nukes was of no consequence. All they can say is, not to date. Nuclear proliferation is not a good thing, and KNOWN bad actors certainly are good candidates for preventive measures. Once in the club, you see, they become venomous and tangling is ill-advised.
As far as IRGC and nuke materiel, do you think intel has the ability to ferret out facts as to the existence and possession thereof? If likely so, then it stands to reason that much future effort will be placed upon accounting for known/highly suspected quantities.
It should be clear from recent events that Iran is full of very clever people with enormous engineering skills. Had Iran wanted a nuclear weapon it would have had one decades ago.
Folks pro and con might learn something from Mike Adams' interview of former weapons inspector Scott Ritter. Ritter is tough on Trump, but even those still supporting Trump should care about his analysis that if Hormuz isn't opened quickly, Asia and Europe will be facing depression and the Trump Presidency will end with this year's midterm elections. If the Senate goes in addition to the House, Trump could even be convicted. Ritter says Trump is well aware of this (Susie Wiles too, I'd add) and will likely do anything to avoid the ignominy:
https://www.brighteon.com/1c0873fe-2a9e-4e94-9850-dd825b897e21
Scott Ritter Interview: Illegal War on Iran & Collapse of U.S. Power
Warhawks might remember that the consensus after the 2024 election was that the Democrats were disgraced and finished, possibly never to recover. Steady as she goes, with a little more spine on election integrity and DOGE, would have won 2028 for Republicans. But listening to Miriam, Bibi, Lindsey, and ex-Never Trumper Mark Levin, Trump threw it all away. The old saying is that anyone can commit a murder, but it takes a real expert to commit a suicide. Trump gets most of the blame for his seppuku, but those four "jockeys" sure whipped their horse to the glue factory.
Grok can be the ultimate echo chamber that tailors itself to its user. If the uranium cannot be taken in short order (likely) then denying access and capacity for enrichment is a utilitarian substitute.
Grok:
"There is limited, mostly speculative or rhetorical evidence that the Iranian regime is an “irrational actor” that rejects the Cold War doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), and virtually no concrete evidence of state-level actions that demonstrate suicidal irrationality."
I guess Grok is unaware of all the terrorist proxies doing their killing for them.
Grok has a short term memory machine brain cramp; The ho bag regime killed ~30,000 of their own citizens, for speaking their minds.... a few months ago.
They use humans (their own citizens) as shields. as a deterrent... including school girls. We needed better intel.... Anyone notice the mostly women human shields, in their black dresses with scarves - last Tuesday evening - around their energy installations? How many ladies wish they lived in Iran?
Where did that "30,000 of their own citizens" figure come from? I am sure you don't know, as there is strong evidence it was made up. You heard or read it somewhere and you choose to believe it. The real figure is more like 3,000 protesters killed--one tenth the number--and these included people who had been supplied guns by western intelligence to attack the police with. There is a long history of this kind of thing going on in Iran, including the 1953 overthrow of the Mossadegh government, organized by the CIA, led by Kermit Roosevelt. There is nothing secret about this history--I read about it when I was in elementary school in the 1960's. The U.S. and Britain have been infiltrating and interfering with governments around the world ever since WWII ended, and it is still going on.
My investigation revealed that an independent Iranian physician, after having treated a large# of victims of the regime’s indiscriminate shooting of January 2026 protesters contacted other independent physicians around the country & queried them about what they were seeing & treating & came up with that estimate. Sounds pretty independent & reliable to me.
What is your basis for disputing that? Orange Man Bad?
If you're sure I don't know... I do know this - you show no references 'as there is strong evidence'. Where/what is that "evidence" ?
You read 'it' in the 50's.... maybe McCarthy wrote... or Hoover wrote, what you read? I don't mean to be a prick -- but your rebuttal doesn't include a shred of evidence, b/c somebody, said something about what "really happened". Walter C. seemed to be a true blue patriot that we all trusted. Conkrite didn't mention anything about more than one shooter in Dallas... he didn't question (to us anyway) all the other details that didn't fit the puzzle. So - they're all subject to wrong information.
We do know that the CIA still runs operation Mockingbird. Anybody's opinion that, we've been hood winked, is totally fair - but you might be fooling yourself by accepting narratives without hard evidence.
*did you see the mostly female human shield around Iran's energy plants last Tuesday evening? Same with the school girls at a military installation. We likely didn't have good intel - or Iran made fabricated that event.....
Just read where FBI files uncovered, show that the MA FBI ran a practice J6, dry run scenario. Sounds to me like event 201 in the fall of 2019, where Gates and the plandemic planners, structured the covid hoax - and the covid hoax response(s).
The MSM/deep state is full of lies, psyops and fabricated propaganda. I'll give you my Missouri response; Show me.
Very good use of AI. The statement “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” might very well be true. Thank you John, for your thoughts!
Yes Rosa, good point, we must know geography very well now.
thank you, sir, another wonderful and measured piece of writing. you have to wonder why Americians never seem to get it. are we just dense? why can't we understand psychology? we think we can bully or bomb people into submission but that just makes them want to fight us harder. Iran is fighting for it's survival; the US is fighting for the hell of it. or because Israel told us to. we have no motivation beyond Trump's embarrassed ego, which is hardly a good reason to spend billions that we don't have and risk the deaths of many soldiers. also, we didn't have a plan, other than "get this done before the markets open;" whereas Iran has obviously thought this through very carefully.
and finally, because we lie about everything, we can't honestly assess our strengths and weaknesses, which we do have in spite of our claims to "greatness."
Iran knows it's weaknesses and has come up with a strategy that compensates for them. we rely on the 3 B's- bluster, bragging and bullying.
i remember Witkoff awhile back, saying "Iran has to capitulate." anyone who uses the word "capitulate" in a sentence is NOT negotiating. even his title- Special Envoy for Peace- is a lie. you don't get to peace by demanding that your adversary (one you caused to make an adversary) become your slave.
i am horrified by my country's behavior, but then, i have been for many years through many costly but unnecessary wars that never improved any country we tried to dominate. generally, the American people eventually tire of all the bombastic propaganda and the coffins coming home and the helicopter escapes off the roof of the embassy.
Trump tells us we can't have nice things and that the government's only job is to make constant war. i'm not sure i want to live in a country with that belief system. i'm not asking for government healthcare. seeing how they fucked up during covid was enough to make me not want government anything.
but could our trains at least work? i regularly commuted from NY Penn Station home to NJ, not some rural backwater route, in 2015. the trains often didn't have working lights and bounced around so much that you couldn't leave your seat. the floor was sticky and there was litter everywhere. meanwhile, in france a beautiful train moving at lightning speed and you could have performed a ballet in the aisles. the dining car had wonderful local fresh food. years ago!
but at least we can have war all the time. what a comfort.
i'm hoping Iran teaches us a lesson and we suffer a good bit of humiliation on the world stage. i'd like to try living in a functioning nation for a change instead of an Empire in decline run by mad men and constantly at war