He is wrong. Jews are the indigenous. Arabs live in Israel with full rights of citizenship. As long as some ignore the words of those who seek to destroy all Jews, peace will prevail only when those who speak those words cease to exist.
Indigenous? Like when you arrived there after being in Egypt and destroyed the cities that were there? Killed the people who were living there? Ethnic cleansed the area?
Indigenous? LMAO. You are no more indigenous than the Palestinians then.
I have read stories for years about the mentality of the Palestinians, uneducated hate-filled vipers who will strike, when least expected. i would have no desire to live next door to Muslims who kill so easily. Husbands abuse and kill their wives. Fathers kill their own children. Killing infidels is a passport to paradise. I read also about the brutality and insensitivity of the Hamas...and the Palestinians support its actions. I have read about the Muslims that invaded Europe...and crime escalated. Women could not go out of their homes without being attacked and murdered.. Some years back there was a Muslim doctor in the service at an army center in the midwest here in America who turned on a number of unarmed soldiers for no reason at all and slaughtered them. There is something radically wrong in the minds of people who can do things like this. We do not need people in America whose Koran in nine chapters advises people to kill Infidels. It also promotes lying in order to advance Islam.
Yes the West has a much more advanced culture than the Islam “way of life” that is stuck in the 7th century. It is a mistake to call it a religion. It’s a deen.
Deen - A comprehensive systen of submission and obedience to Allah governing worship, law, politics, economics, commerce, family life, personal hygiene, morality, and society. The term appears approximately one hundred times in rhe Quran and consistently describes Islam as a deen rather than a religion in the modern Western sense. It encompasses both belief and the legal, political, and social order established by Allah. The Quran states that Allah sent Mohammed with “guidance and the deen of truth” to make it prevail over all other deen (Quran 9:33, 48:28, 61:9), underscoring its comprehensive and governing nature. (Arabic plural: adyān)
Allah is known as the Moon god and the symbol is a quarter moon. Morality??? Killing, stealing, lying are not exactly moral traits. The koran states it is the duty of its followers to kill Infidels and it is alright to lie in order to advance Islam...family life?...it is alright for a man to beat his wife or even kill her; it s alright for a father to kill his children. I read about Mohammad and how he attacked Mecca..and lost his army. Then he turned to the Hebrews and they took him in. After he built up his army, he tried to get the Hebrews to join him in attacking Mecca again, and they declined; so he slaughtered the people who took him in. Not exactly an honorable man. He had 9 wives the youngest he married, when she was 6 years old. When men came to visit, he didn't let them stay too long. He told them that he wanted to be with his wives. He was not exactly a prophet.
Dr. Nick Maynard of Oxford University medical school has been a witness to the genocide. His opinions, based on first hand experiences in Gaza, should outweigh those of random AI trolls. Anyone who continues to believe the lies of Zionists are choosing to ignore the truth, but the truth will out. My experience in Jerusalem echoes that of Dr. Maynard.
What did i write that was a lie? I took a look and have to say this...have you done any reading about what is going on in Europe with the Muslims who went there? They are causing problems here in the United States too. I don't see Muslims as 'beautiful' people...They are members of a cult that promotes killing Infidels (non-believers)...This is written in the Koran.
Lisa Miron (for a legal perspective), Elizabeth Glass (to give a Jewish perspective), Jana Ben-Nun, and Steven Ben-Nun discuss the Noahide Laws, how courts around the world seem to be incorporating them.
That is the same for the Noahide Laws, decapitating Christians for worshipping Jesus. Those laws are being implemented globally, even in secular countries with secular only laws.
The Muslims I know are not what you are hearing about. I remember early on it was mentioned that prisons and psychiatric (forensic) institutions were being emptied and the military aged unaccompanied males were found to have UN credit cards with USD$10,000 loaded. Trump said he would deport them but Redacted News said they haven't been deported. Remember the floods in North Carolina? Journalists found these illegal immigrants in the FEMA camps and any resources designated for survivors of the floods were funnelled to those camps. Plus, there are a lot of Christian Palestinians who are also being snipered while they are at prayer, their lands being stolen, their bodies bulldozed. And Israel is bombing Iranian synagogues. I have read a lot and while I wouldn't call myself an expert I do think I know more than most.
There are also Muslim people who are true to their faith and not radicalized - some of the kindest people ( including the men) I have ever met. I believe their “religion “ has been used to radicalize some of them. I am not in favor of mass Muslim immigration. They have no intention of integrating.
What group? I am a reader of 84 years...and have no religious affiliation. However, I am not an atheist...I totally believe in the Creator...and ask for guidance in the way I live in a manner that won't hurt anyone or the earth. Don't sit in judgment on others.
According to the story you may or may not agree with, YHWH told Moses to free the Israelites from 400 years of slavery in Egypt. The Israelites were told to enter the Promised Land and kill or drive out the peoples who were living there.
The land had been promised to Abraham and his specific Israelite descendants: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel.
If YHWH created this universe, then it is his. He can give it to those people who obey him and kick out anyone who doesn't.
If you don't like it, take it up with the Most High Big Guy.
You just said no one can prove He exists. Why should I bother with you?
Anyway, look at the science research in biology, cosmology, etc. Are you someone who believes something (this incredible universe!) came from nothing? Are you open to studying proofs, or just happy to spout off?
Here:
The Irrational Atheist by Vox Day, The Devil's Delusion by David Berlinski, Return of the God Hypothesis by Stephen C. Meyer, Darwin's Black Box by Michael J. Behe, The Priviledged Planet by Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay W. Richards
There's my answer. If you ask and I start by giving you information, then as I said "You expect an answer on this forum?" You aren't serious about reading material that may cause you to think. Belligerence is your attitude towards people who believe in a Creator.
Really? Look at the new information in the sciences. Look at the history contained in the Scriptures.
People written about in the scriptures were willing to die for their belief and they gave as much proof as possible. If you don't care to read it carefully, then why don't you refrain from sending your ignorant responses.
like when the bigoted apartheid "chosen" don't allow you to travel on certain roads, block the ambulance that comes for your sick child so you get to watch while he dies, when soldiers play target practice on childrens' body parts, when an "authority" counts your calories and allows in barely enough to keep you alive so they can torture you more.
Then let's consider that Jesus himself foretold the complete destruction of the Jewish system in 70ce. That was god, cutting them off from his honored covenant made to Abraham. The Jews are now no better than any other country. You've been sold the propaganda of zionism. God opened up a relationship with all peoples; it's now a spiritual relationship, not a fleshly get circumcised contract. That's the Bible's message, not the Jewish hogwash of being favored or having a deed to a rock in the Middle East.
You are completely wrong. Jesus was himself a Jew who taught, healed, and primarily ministered among Jews. His sharpest criticisms targeted specific religious leaders (e.g., certain Pharisees and scribes in Matthew 23’s “woes”) for hypocrisy, not the Jewish people in general as an ethnic or religious group. He expressed deep sorrow over Jerusalem’s coming fate rather than satisfaction or a desire for it
Yet Jerusalem was destroyed, its records gone. Its linkage was whipped out. They wondered for 2000 years, and not a stone was left on a stone. The Jewish system under Abraham is gone. What is being rebuilt is a physical zionism, and the prophets and apostles told us physical circumcision was replaced by spiritual circumcision, that of the heart. Live with it: the Jews are not a favored nation and haven't been for a long time. A new spiritual nation encompasses the entire earth; that was called the sacred secret of Christ's Messianic Kingdom. Not a nation belonging to a certain DNA. That long-gone dude. Read the apostle Paul's words in Hebrews and Romans; he explains it all. He, too, was a Jew, a lawyer, and a religious leader, and was specifically used by Jesus. This Zionism business is total bullshit.
really not a fleshy circumcised contract? Ezekiel 44:9
“Thus says the Lord GOD: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.”
Geez, look at the whole chapter and preceding chapters.
Then Google this: What is Ezekiel chapter 44 talking about?
You'll find that your comment is irrelevant. It's not the same discussion; it's about temple lawbreakers, not the future Messianic Kingdom. I'm assuming you're Jewish and really want to fit your belief into the scriptures. But that's not how it works. The apostle Paul, a Jewish rabbi, clearly explains what I wrote in the book of Hebrews. That congregation was made up of converted Jews into Christianity who had a hard time reconciling their previous beliefs with their newfound faith in Christ Jesus. An understandable situation. So, Paul helped them with a letter we now call the book of Hebrews in the Bible.
I actually agree that context matters, which is precisely why Ezekiel 44:9 is significant. Ezekiel 44 is part of the continuous temple/restoration vision of chapters 40–48. And only a few chapters earlier, Ezekiel describes Israel's restoration under David, says they will “follow My laws and carefully observe My decrees,” describes an everlasting covenant, and says God's sanctuary will be among Israel “forever” (Ezekiel 37:24–28).
Then, in the detailed sanctuary vision, YHWH explicitly says: “No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart AND flesh…shall enter My sanctuary” (Ezekiel 44:9). Yes, the preceding verses condemn people who had previously profaned the sanctuary. But God's response to that violation is precisely to establish the rule in verse 9. The context doesn't eliminate physical circumcision, rather it explicitly names it.
So if you believe these chapters describe the future Messianic Kingdom, that actually strengthens my question: Why does Ezekiel describe a restored Israel keeping God's laws, with a Davidic ruler and God's sanctuary among them, and still explicitly requires circumcision of both heart AND flesh?
Also, Hebrews never identifies Paul as its author as you claim, and modern scholarship generally does not consider Paul its author. The question is what Ezekiel's prophecy itself says. If your interpretation of Hebrews requires Ezekiel 44:9 to no longer mean what it plainly says, then you need to demonstrate that from Ezekiel, not simply by assuming that the later Christian text has authority to reinterpret it.
What I'm telling you is that the Ezekiel content was for the Jews during that period. How many times were they warned about breaking the Abrahamic covenant? It was a bilateral contract. Israel needed to stay faithful, but they failed more often than not. Therefore, the prophets were used to continually remind Israel of their obligations. In the first century, Paul again emphasized the heart as a metaphor for inward spiritual commitment rather than for outward observance of Jewish law. The law was over; a new spiritual law took its place, no longer for the need of literal foreskin cutting. Romans chapter 2: He also pointed out that circumcision is irrelevant, because one who keeps the spirit of the law is as good as a circumcision. The Jews in Rome were questioning why newly baptized Christians did not become circumcised under the law. Paul told them it was irrelevant because a new spiritual arrangement had now been set up. The Law of the past has been fulfilled in the Christian system under Christ Jesus. The Jewish law was done. The Jewish system under God's guidance was canceled, destroyed completely by the Roman armies, and the remnants scattered throughout the earth. The new system was for all people of the nations, not just Jews, but also Gentiles. Some Jews converted to Christianity and were both circumcised in flesh and spirit. That's the point of the books of Romans and Hebrews. The new system needed to be explained, especially to former Jews. The point here is very clear. The Law under Abraham and Moses was over; the Jewish system ended. No longer did individuals need to have their foreskin chopped off, thankfully, but needed to change their hearts, their motives and desires. Temples, lands, mounts, walls are all fleshly narratives under the law; it ended. Land does not matter; temples don't matter, nations don't matter. Everything is spiritual and open to all peoples.
I agree that Israel repeatedly broke God's covenant and was punished. But punishment is not the same as God permanently canceling His promises to Israel. In fact, the prophets explicitly say the opposite.
Ezekiel 36 says that DESPITE Israel's sins, YHWH will act “for the sake of My holy name,” gather Israel from the nations back to THEIR OWN LAND, give them a new heart and Spirit, and cause them to “follow MY statutes and carefully observe MY ordinances.” Ezekiel 37 continues: Israel becomes one nation in the land under a Davidic ruler, follows God's laws, and God's sanctuary is among them forever. THEN “the nations will know that I am YHWH.”
That is why Ezekiel 44:9 matters: in this same restoration/Temple vision, YHWH explicitly requires circumcision “in HEART AND FLESH.” You can't simply remove “flesh” because it conflicts with Paul's later theology.
Jeremiah 31 is even clearer. The NEW COVENANT is explicitly made “with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL and the HOUSE OF JUDAH,” with God's Torah written on their hearts. Immediately afterward YHWH says Israel will cease being “a nation before Me forever” only if the fixed order of the sun, moon and stars ceases, and says He will not reject Israel's descendants “for all that they have done.”
And the prophets certainly include Gentiles, however, but not by replacing Israel.
Zechariah 14 describes the future time when “YHWH will be King over all the earth.” Yet NATIONS still exist, JERUSALEM still matters, and those nations go up YEAR AFTER YEAR to Jerusalem to worship YHWH and celebrate SUKKOT, which is....a Torah festival. Nations refusing to observe it are punished.
Isaiah 2 says essentially the same thing: “in the latter days” the NATIONS go up to the mountain of YHWH in Jerusalem saying, “He will teach us His ways,” because “TORAH shall go forth from Zion and the word of YHWH from Jerusalem.”
So the prophetic picture is not: Israel failed, torah ended, Israel, Jerusalem, the land and nations became irrelevant , and everything became “spiritual.”
Rather, reading all and in context: Israel sins and is punished, YHWH restores Israel for the sake of His holy name, Israel returns to the land from their exile, Israel follows God's statutes, and a Davidic ruler reigns, and YHWH dwells among them and through this restoration THE NATIONS COME TO KNOW YHWH.
Even Paul says in Romans 11, “Has God rejected His people? By no means!” and warns Gentile believers not to become arrogant toward Israel.
So my question to you remains very simple: Where does YHWH say in the Tanakh that He permanently canceled Israel, abolished Torah, and made Israel, Jerusalem and the land irrelevant?
Because Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah and Zechariah appear to say the opposite.
“If a land was promised to you by God over 3,000 years ago, one would expect it to be rightfully yours without the need to conquer and inflict brutal oppression, persecution, displacement, murders, and terror upon the existing indigenous Palestinian people for nearly 80 years. You would simply possess it.”
Ironically, the average Palestinian has a deeper historical and cultural connection to the ancient Israelites and Hebrew peoples, as well as to Jesus, than the average immigrant from Central or Eastern Europe or a typical Brooklyn Jew.
Before the rise of Zionism and the establishment of Israel in 1948, Palestinians of diverse backgrounds—Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Jews—coexisted relatively peacefully, reflective of a long shared history and heritage. The Israelites controlled the region for only about 10% of the last 4,000 years, temporarily conquering cities like Jericho and Jerusalem from indigenous Canaanites and early Palestinians. Today, however, they ridiculously yet aggressively claim “exclusive” rights to this land.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917, which supported the establishment of a "national home for the (European) Jewish people," was made aggressively and amazingly without the consultation let alone consent of the indigenous Palestinian population, highlighting the total disregard for Palestinians deep-rooted connection to their land and their definitive historical and traditional homeland rights.
What makes Israel's treatment of Palestinians particularly egregious and hypocritical is the fact that European Jews, who endured severe persecution leading up to and during World War II, should possess a greater empathy and understanding, given their own history of suffering. Yet, we witness an influx of European Zionists into Israel, where they inflict genocide and ongoing ethnic cleansing on the Palestinian people—an irony that cannot be overlooked.
What today’s Netanyahu (Mileikowsky) Zionist regime is doing to Gaza is clearly an abomination. The world is waking up, and Israel has become a pariah. It’s time for particularly Americans to recognise the tight grip and influence Zionists have on their country—especially in Congress, banking, and media.
The Zionist agenda in Palestine has transformed the region into an Unholy Land. This invasive evil has spread, infecting other nations, notably America. We must not allow the ongoing Zionist influence to go unchallenged here in Australia. Remember the wise words: 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.' Let us stand for justice, humanity, and the rights of all people.”
How about we get the hell out of Israeli politics, stop sending them money, stop sending money to Arab countries, and have a truly noninterventionist foreign policy? I hope for peace in every country, but this isn't our fight. We shouldn't have been involved with the formation of Israel, but the fact that we were does not justify our staying in this endless, no-win, highly destructive and pricey (in $ and lives) conflict.
1937 and 1947: Jewish leadership accepted British and UN partition plans to divide the land, while Arab leaders rejected them.
1967: Israel offered to return territories captured in the Six-Day War in exchange for peace agreements, which were rejected at the Khartoum Summit.
2000: Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered nearly all of the West Bank, all of Gaza, and parts of East Jerusalem during the Camp David Summit.
2008: Prime Minister Ehud Olmert proposed a plan including a land swap and international control over Jerusalem, which was rejected by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
We shouldn't have been involved in the formation of Israel? What did we owe these people after what happened during WWII? Say nothing and walk away? Side with neither when Israel is fighting for existence against sworn enemies of the U.S.?
BTW: This is YHWH's land. He says he will place his throne in Jerusalem, and those he wants will live there with him.
last time I checked, a Biblical verse is not the same as a deed to a property. you murder the people living in a house and that's murder. you steal someone's land and that's stealing. you forget to mention that God kicked them out and sent them wandering because they had misbehaved. I think that canceled the real estate deal.
Joe, assuming you believe what you preach, you have a personal obligation to help the country that calls itself Israel. This does not apply to the US Government. God is not easily fooled, I assume, and you'll get no credit from Him by passing off your duty to others, including all American taxpayers, most of whom don't believe this crap.
Joe, I apologize for insulting your belief. That is no way to reach an understanding or settle anything. What I meant was some people wrote a book and within that book it was said other people should support them, and they would receive blessings in return. To understand this better, imagine one of your local car dealers wrote a book and in the book said people would be blessed by God if they bought cars from his dealership. He could even sweeten the deal and say the blessings would extend to anyone who got some government agency to buy a car. Would you say this was a bunch of crap?
Another thought may be worth considering: suppose the people who founded and named the State of Israel had decided, instead of calling it Israel, they would name it Yahweh-Land. They weren't that stupid, but well, their book still says you should support Israel, so you'd be off the hook, but maybe you'd get some blessings if you could get the Government to send them billions of dollars and fight their wars for them. What would you do?
Finally, we all know the people who wrote the book were of the same tribe who killed our Jesus. Why should you believe anything they said in the book?
Where do you get the concept that murder and stealing is bad from? God kicked them out and that's the end of the story? Or what else did God tells us in the Hebrew Bible?
That's what Israel increasingly wants. They are tired of being 'instructed' by the Big Satan. Israel is supporting us in our fight against Iran...not vice-versa. Let's get out of their business and let them get on with what they need to do.
for heaven's sake. Iran is not the "big Satan." BiBi has been trying to hoodwink a US president into fighting and paying for this war for 40 years. the man refuses to get along with anyone. he just wants to be the biggest dick on the playground. he finally found someone stupid enough to do it for him. don't go starting with the TDS bullshit. why should lazy Isr**lis get their hands dirty fighting a war when their Shabbos Goy will do it for them?
wait until he goes up against Turkey, next on his list of "enemies." hopefully they'll slaughter him and take out his army and maybe then we can stop paying for his Middle Eastern wars
He makes a very strong moral case but he says nothing of what can or should be done to resolve the situation. What do you do when your neighbor has sworn to wipe you off the face of the map?
That was not said. The accurate phrase was "The regime that occupies Jerusalem must be erased from the pages of history". Regime change, not genocide. Quit repeating that lie or you make yourself obviously ignorant of the facts.
The Ayatollah Khomeini met with Iran's Rabbis and literally said "I have nothing against the descendants of Moses. It's those Zionist bloodsuckers I can't stand". There are still 10,000 to 12,000 Jews living in Iran. You just bombed their synagogue.
Where do you think the Jews went when the European countries kicked them out? A lot went to the Islamic empire. Moslems and Jews lived together in Moslem controlled countries for 1500 years.
That statement by Khomeini is pure Taqqiya that does not hold up to scrutiny of the foundational doctrine, over half of which is focused on the (mal)treatment of the Kafir.
That's a lie and you know it. Islam doesn't care who is in charge in Israel...it is Israel that they will crush either via immigration or the sword - and they don't much care which. Did 1948 teach you nothing?
You don’t know me. I am very well read. I am a Christian, I have been to Israel. I am not ignorant of the situation as you suggest. It is a travesty all around. What one leader or another said in what language I always take with a bit of skepticism. My point was and is, what is the solution to the situation in Gaza at this juncture? The holocaust survivor in the video did not offer one other than to stand up and object to what is going on.
Stop taking sides and start answering David's question.
It will work a whole lot better.
...From an internal/emotional standpoint, picking a side and writing messages of hatred, celebrating the suffering of a population, or wishing for their erasure makes a person a war criminal "in their heart." When such people nurture malice "in their hearts", such people harbour the exact same malice that, when given real weapons, triggers actual atrocities on the battlefield...
Jesus didn't take sides.
I don't either.
Stop taking sides and start answering David's question.
It will work a whole lot better.
Verses:
Matthew 5:22 If you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment!
Matthew 5:28
Anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates another brother or sister is really a murderer at heart.
I've turned a bit hard nosed after the events of 7 October.
for those who classify Israel's actions of self defense in the face of a truly exestential threat that is much worse for being up close and personal compared to those promoted by Stalin and the Third Reich, I would ask them to show proof answering these questions, in particular, instances where the IDF or even certain Israeli settler groups have:
- routinely sent assorted suicide bombers into crowded market places and buses
- emplaced rocket and mortar firing positions in close proximity to Protected Structures, including schools, medical facilities or places of worship
- hidden munition caches, some of them fairly large near or even under such protected places, as documented by secondary explosions
- randomly fired towards or into known population concentrations, either in Gaza or the West Bank - note: retaliatory fire, aimed at said firing points does NOT count!
- directly attacked civilians who have gathered for festivals
= murdered the males at said festivals and taken the females and children hostage, often to points near said munitions caches
= murdered the hostage infants and children, either directly or thru neglect
= systematically raped, tortured and murdered the hostage females
= systematically refused to cooperate with International Humanitarian Authorities to identify, much less confirm the condition, of said hostages
= systematically refused to allow those same authorities access to evaluate the conditions of which those hostages have been held.
- finally, and most damning, diverted food stuffs, sanitation and hygiene supplies and construction supplies designated to help succor suffering civilian populations inside the affected area
Your list is an accurate description of Hamas terrorist activities. Asking people propagandized into "Israel bad" to read this will only result in their inability to see the letters on the page, or if so, they will not read them as coherent sentences.
There are also two points that cover the purported blame on Israel for the failure of multiple attempts at providing for a peaceful coexistence in a two state system -
the first deals with the claims of apartheid: How can true apartheid exist when Arabs who accept Israeli citizenship and abjure the efforts to drive the Jews into the Sea, can and do serve in all capacities in the Israeli government up to and including holding seats in the Knesset and high military command?
The second deals with reality on the ground: How can the World expect Israel to peacefully coexist with assorted groups who are unwilling or unable to love their own children more than the hate the Jews?
Interesting. A list of responses to Hamas terror attacks, but no mention of the reason they occurred. Is Israel the only country that should not respond to rockets fired, suicide bombers, and tunnels dug to enter their sovereign territory and kill civilians?
You didn't happen to notice that Israel gave the Arabs Gaza to try to get peace, and the Arabs turned Gaza into a de facto terror training camp, taking any money sent their way to build terror tunnels, obtain rockets, and of course all forms of explosives and firearms.
Like Irgun, Stern gang and the other Zionists did? You know, Begin and his ilk? Killing civilians, murdering whole villages. But it's okay when you do it because you're always the good guys.
LMAO. You can rationalize and justify Gaza you are the problem.
For a group that has pretensions of being "The Master Race" you turned out to be pathetically average humans. 90% of Israeli adults took the first 2 shots, 80% the third and 50% the fourth. Just another bunch of delusional humans pathetically going along with their own deaths.
There are countries that are worse like Ireland and Portugal but there's also countries that did better like USA, Switzerland & Austria. Nothing special about you. Just another pathetically average bunch of humans.
Irgun was not a government-sponsored group; it was a Jewish underground paramilitary organization that operated independently during the British Mandate. It was formed by members who split from the Haganah in protest against its policies.
Avraham Stern split from Irgun for not being militant enough.
These are not evidence of government wrong doing, or the general thrust of Zionism, which is what all people would want--a safe harbor in which to live and thrive. Israel was granted that in 1948, and were immediately and repeatedly attacked by the Arabs.
The Jewish refugees who were dispossessed of their business, homes possessions and often their lives, who lived in the surrounding Arab countries, were taken in by the nascent State of Israel. Meanwhile, the Arabs who fled Israel AT THE BEHEST of the Arab League, were refused entry into Arab nations. Those who entered Jordan cause so much trouble about 10,000 of them were killed. Hamas is a result of Arab nations refusing to shelter their own people, and the sour philosophy of Islamic terrorism.
If Arabs didn't attack Israel, there would be no Middle East conflict.
let's also look at the actions of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during that period - Mohammed Amin al-Husseini was in cahoots with Hitler, so again, which group was being provocative and which retaliatory?
Oh, and I've been familiar with all three of those psychological experiments for a long time, along with the ones claiming that overpopulation in murine colonies can explain some of the problems in human society. My College Psych Prof dissected both Stanford and Milford with a flaying knife.
Rationalize and justify the evil your side does because others do it? LMAO. You are the same as them then. Enjoy cesspool you have created.
2 out of 3 were not supposed to be repeated but were. Similar results. The species is tribal bunch of herd animals. You are not superior to any others.
Great response. Your comparisons and logic fail. You support the lowest form of humanity on the planet--Islamic fascists--and complain and hurl insults when people don't agree with you.
So many leaders of the global campaign against Israel's (and, let's be real, the USA's) stepped-up ethnic cleansing of Palestinian and Lebanese lands are Jewish. It's especially poignant when European Holocaust survivors are forced to state that it's happening again, in the mid-Levant.
Yes, of course it is a holocaust!!! Any group, or individual, that discriminately kills people is committing holocaust!!! It doesn't matter who started the "argument". Everyone knows there has been war in the middle east for decades, centuries. Do we really know exactly who did, said, started what? I suspose a historian does. But, does it matter who started the war? Isn't WAR a holocaust? It is past time to STOP the nonsense of killing each other, whether it is called war or holocaust or killing!!!! Why are we allowing or endorsing fake "leaders" to take us down a road of destruction? Do we not understand that sending our young adults to war means that thousands, perhaps millions, of people will die, including our own young sons and daughters? Isn't that a holocaust? Why do we continue to partiscipate in holocaust situations????
Your ignorance is showing. Discriminate killing is what happens in war. There is no deliberate, discriminatory killing of civilians. War is evil. War is hell. Civilians die in war. Unfortunately we experience war from time to time and we have to be ready to aggressively fight defensive wars to their conclusion. This is an existential war for Israel and I hope they're 'permitted' to finish the job successfully.
When someone wants to bash Israel they trot out a Jewish person who doesn't agree with Israel's policy, and then usually incorporate Hamas propaganda to make the case.
This actually speaks well for Israel in general. Israelis, or Jews at large can have their own opinions and state them, because Israel is a free society. "Security forces" won't pay them a midnight visit. They won't issue a fatwa to encourage the murder of the dissenter if he lives in a foreign country. The dissenter won't be murdered in the street by a mob of his fellow citizens. Israel differs immensely from its neighbors in that respect.
Any misfortune that has fallen on the Arabs of Gaza, very few of which don't sign on to the "River to the Sea" motto, can be blamed squarely on their governing body, Hamas.
What I would like to know is whether he (and you and Dr. McCullough) expressed the same horror at the inhumane, barbaric, even demonic actions taken by Hamas against innocent Israeli young people at a festival, families in their homes, babies and the elderly on October 7th? The rapes, mutilations and murders that were recorded by Hamas and celebrated in Gaza were beyond atrocities. Three hundred hostages taken and many starved and tortured and killed. Where were the compassionate Palestinians then? I’ve been an avid supporter of Dr. McCullough on all things Covid since he first spoke out, but the disproportionate criticism of Israel and the “genocide” is troublesome to me. Yes, “the government” lied about Covid and the vax. But that doesn’t mean the government lies about everything. And when the Palestinians start to condemn their leaders’ actions instead of cheering for their barbarity, I’ll be more sympathetic.
Right or wrong, Israel is under existential threat and are fighting a righteous, defensive war against Hamas and their sponsor, Iran. I hope they get to finish the fight successfully.
Isr**l is always under "existential" threat in its paranoid mind. yeah ok, what about the "poor" victims on oct 7 "not since the holocaust?" when you beat your neighbors down for decades, use their kids for target practice and rub their faces in your "superiority," you shouldn't be too surprised when even a beaten down people rises up and strikes back. do you really think the IDF didn't see that coming? no, they needed a fucking excuse to complete their genocide and knew there would be complaints from the rest of the civilized world. so they let some of their own people be killed so they'd have an excuse. there is nothing "defensive" about Isr**l's war in Gaza, Lebanon, or Iran. I cheer on Hamas and Iran! next Isr**l wants a war with Turkey. HA! let Turkey slaughter them!!
This is so absurd. If the Israelis were engaged in genocide in Gaza there would be nobody left alive by now. Instead they drop pamphlets of warning and take every conceivable opportunity to minimize civilian deaths. In what universe is that called genocide? I can answer that question: only in the universe of irrational Jew hatred. I have no idea why this Holocaust survivor is saying such absurd things. Maybe he is senile, maybe he is under pressure of some sort, maybe something else. It doesn't matter. We can clearly see with our own eyes that this is not genocide. Why do you post this nonsense Mr. Leake? What is your real agenda? Do you really think Israel is supposed to sit still for constant missiles aimed at civilian targets and do nothing about atrocities committed by hate-filled attackers?
I am not impressed. First, he conflates holocaust and genocide which are NOT the same thing. There is no genocide in Gaza. Second, Israel is prosecuting a defensive war against an aggressor country...100% legal. Third, Israel is doing everything in its power to keep Gazan civilians safe which, of course, gives Hamas terrorists free safe haven. Fourth, failing to defeat Hamas leaves an existential threat to Israel's existence on their southwestern border. Fifth, THERE IS NO PALESTINE AND THERE IS NO TWO-STATE SOLUTION. Get used to that.
If you remember, the Jewish ghettos in Germany were systematically isolated with out ability to come and go and food and water became scare to starve the population and force them to be escorted to the gas chambers. I saw the well planned process of exterminating humans when I visited Dachau. The similarities of what is happening in Gaza is a similar scenario. Only the ethnic group has changed. President Trump is pushing a peace plan and it is being rejected. The cleansing has not been complete. They are resolving the two state republic by liquidating Gaza.
No formal gas chambers. Just continued indiscriminate killing. No differentiation between the innocent and the fighters. The continued regional waring just displaces more and more people that then migrate and become a burden in another location and disrupt the economies of the country that accepts them. Same will happen with Gaza, Those that survive the continued shelling will leave if they find the support they need to leave. Eugenics has to be at the root cause of why this continues to happen. The elite envision a smaller human world. In the last century we have eliminated 100 million globally. Not enough. The fact that your ability to look at all sides of the issue is being controlled speaks volumes that they do not want the truth to be known. Slows the eugenics process. My analysis.
No, it is not a "similar scenario". It is totally different. The killing is not iniscriminate. Israel should get a Nobel prize for bending over backwards to preserve civilian Gazan lives during this conflict. I question that RPh behind your name whatever that means.
How many have they killed? Only terrorists? Only Hamas fighters? Why is it still happening? International court of law has condemned what is happening. Correct?
They will not let reporters in to report what is truly transpiring so how do you know what is reality? Based on what appears to be true, it surer seems it is a similar situation.
The rubble of destroyed concrete structures goes on for miles. They won't let humanitarian help in and they won't let the homeless leave. What else can you conclude?
Irrelevant. Civilians die in all wars. Russia is butchering Ukranian civilians as fast as they possibly can and get a pass. Israel is protecting Gazan civilians as much is possible given the Hamas terrorists hiding in their midst and their numbers have increased over the years. That is NOT a genocide.
I could care what the ICC rules. It is highly politically biased and evil.
Ditto in Ukraine and in Iran and in Russia (to the best of Ukraine's ability). Goes with the territory.
True and sad but that is the nature of war. Ditto for the families of the soldier sons and fathers and husbands killed in war. Not many Russian civilians have died yet but lots of Iranians and Ukrainians (and Japanese and Chinese and so, so many other civilians) have died. War is hell but nations like Israel and Ukraine are forced to fight them and suffer right along with the aggressors.
Despite his survival of the Hungarian Holocaust, the man is obviously a Leftist. Jews are the indigenous...always have been. Yes, what about Oct. 7th? What was that?
The continuous hatred of G-d's own people comes from the pit and always has. It is sad that His own people don't see the truth. Yes, the Almighty calls Israel and the Jewish people, "HIS PEOPLE."
the myths you live by are not the myths that everyone lives by. Jesus was supposed to end the "I'm chosen; you're not" BS. Christianity was supposed to make ALL people chosen. remember the New Covenant? funny how one religion gets away with murder by twisting religious stories to suit it's evil purpose
Hamas should have to change their name to DUMBASS because they fell for the biggest "Let It Happen On Purpose" scam and actually thought they had pulled off a great victory. Egypt gave 2 warnings (10 days and 3 days before) right to the prime minister's office. Lots of other warnings but hey now you can justify a genocide and claim a half trillion is gas riches off the coast.
"he Almighty calls Israel and the Jewish people, "HIS PEOPLE."" - So please do get your god to actually show up. Where is it? Your imaginary friend is no more real than anyone else's. You use that as justification for genocide? How NAZI of you. Seig Heil Israel.
You need to do more homework TRM. Caroline Glick wrote all aboutthis and what happened shortly after Oct. 7th. You must have missed it. Quite obviously you think more of Hamas and their actions than you do of the people G-d calls His own. Even the New Testament says the same thing, but then I guess you may have missed that as well.
G-d keeps His promises. Gen. 12:1-3. Choose blessing or curse.
"Quite obviously you think more of Hamas and their actions than you do of the people G-d calls His own" - Can you even READ? WTF? I call Hamas "Dumbass" and you think I support them?
I'll keep it simple for you. Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime. Both sides have done that repeatedly and now you're going for the liquidation phase of your "Warsaw ghetto on steroids" called Gaza. Sieg Heil Israel.
Where is your God then? Prove your god exists or don't bring it into the conversation. Your imaginary friend is no more real than anyone else's.
Israel is not targeting civilians. Israel is doing everything it can to protect Gazan civilians as it attempts to root Hamas terrorists from their midst. I don't envy them that task.
Read your Bible, if you have one...and read historical findings since the days of Noah. You don't even believe in your Maker, so there's no reason to continue this conversation. Proof is everywhere. You're pitiful.
I don't need to, I know. You need to do your own research. Start with reading the Word of the Lord and then look at all the historical proof. It's been found for hundreds of years and exposed. Do some searches on historical documents and findings...even coins tell the truth from ages past.
I fully concur with that first sentence. Not so much the rest. The USofA was warned repeatedly about the Japanese threat that got us into WWII and failed to react appropriately. I don't know if Israel's failure was intentional but it only takes one individual to fear making a mistake to fail to pass along such warnings that can result in disaster.
There is no genocide. Do you even know the definition of the word?
except that survivors of genocides past say this is a genocide. it IS and we all know it. J*ws think their their claim on permanent victim status excuses all their sins. WRONG
Israel has as much right to exist as does the USofA or any other country...and they have every right to defend themselves against existential threats like Hamas/Gaza.
Isr**l has NO right to exist, as long as they are completely dependent on continual warfare, murder, land theft and complete financial support from the stupid American taxpayer. if Isr**l can get along with it's neighbors, play nice in the sand box and not take a dime of my money to commit genocide, then they might have some right to exist. but really, the UK just wanted to get those meddlesome J*ws out of Europe so they handed them someone else's country and the rest of the world has been paying for the error ever since
There are over 2,000,000 Gazans. The average birth rate per female of childbearing age is 4. The Israelis killed 70K of the Gazans, according to the UN. Hamas said that 50k of their soldiers were killed in fighting over the past 2 years. That leaves 20K civilians killed in the fighting. That's 1% of the total population. Given that over 90% of all Gazans support Hamas, according to surveys plus the few times they've had elections, many of those non-combatants support Hamas. That is not genocide. Genocide is what is happening to the Christians in Nigeria, the Falun Gong and Tibetans in China, and ethnic Russians in the eastern provinces of Ukraine before the Russian Army invaded.
The Israelis and their neocon allies dragged us into 2 wars, the First Israeli War against Iraq in 2003-2008, then the Second Israeli War, against Iran, February 2026 to the present. These are far more egregious transgressions against the US and our allies than the fighting in Gaza and the ones we should focus on. Notice that none of the 57 Muslim-majority countries on earth, except for Iran, gives any important aid or succor to the Gazans. That's because they don't see what is going there a genocide. Indeed, many of those same said Islamic states are more brutal to their own citizens than the Israelis are to the Gazans.
Spoken like a Islamo-fascist supporter, Daniel. Israel has shown absolutely no intent. There is not ethno-supremicism in Zionism. Israel is a country run by Jews just like England was once a country run by Anglicans. Not anymore, and see how that's working out? Or a more concrete comparison would be Saudi Arabia. Why shouldn't Jews run a Jewish nation? Yet they have Arab Muslim representatives in the Knesset.
Zionism is a home for the Jewish people It needs to be defended. It is a productive nation the size of Connecticut, and punches far above its weight in all the sciences, agriculture, water management, and thankfully, air defense. I am a Zionist, and I'm not Jewish.
I spend very little time reading comments to any podcaster or writer. I spend even less time replying myself. However, since you started writing about Iran and Israel I have become very concerned and have replied more to your posts, John, than to anyone else's on the planet. Your recent writing on your perception of the "psychology" behind various view points increases my concern. I think there is someone much more qualified to answer the questions you are asking of your readers. That person is Dr. Robert Malone. I see him as your colleague in misfortune during Covid. He suffered much as did you and Dr. McCullough. Dr. Malone has recently been posting on the situation in Israel. It started as a 3 post series but he has recently posted his 5th essay on the topic. He promises that the 6th post will be the last. He started the journey believing that he would get the documentation to support his current belief. In his words Israel has kept "handing him a mirror". This link will hopefully take you to part one https://www.malone.news/p/the-wolf-at-the-door-the-safe-room?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b5ddff1-7a46-4979-af50-8714e41df015_1456x1048.jpeg&open=false . I have been impressed with his diligence, scholarship, and honesty about a very complicated situation.
As to what Kapos had to say about propaganda, it made me think, "There but for fortune go I." It is such a powerful force for controlling the masses! And the younger you start getting hit with it, the more powerful it is. I am grateful I see clearly about the mass poisoning of our population and about this, yes, holocaust we are perpetrating.
One small thing you can do is donate to this fundraiser for a family down there. Last I heard they were worried about tanks getting close to where they live.
I have set up a system for sending money down to this family. It is frustrating and Kafkaesque and it goes through unpleasant intermediaries and there is commission, but so far it has worked.
PLEASE DONATE!! https://gofund.me/9fe17a5d4 You will not only be helping this family, but you will also be helping all their neighbors as well. I prefer to have my donations go to real people rather than through an organization. The organizations are not doing so well. This family says they have not had any care package from an organization in 5 months.
For an unpleasant moment there, I was scared I was a stupid old lady getting scammed, so I video called this family without giving any warning and they were exactly as they described themselves. A family of 6, with a baby, living in a bombed-out apartment in Gaza.
He is wrong. Jews are the indigenous. Arabs live in Israel with full rights of citizenship. As long as some ignore the words of those who seek to destroy all Jews, peace will prevail only when those who speak those words cease to exist.
Indigenous? Like when you arrived there after being in Egypt and destroyed the cities that were there? Killed the people who were living there? Ethnic cleansed the area?
Indigenous? LMAO. You are no more indigenous than the Palestinians then.
I have read stories for years about the mentality of the Palestinians, uneducated hate-filled vipers who will strike, when least expected. i would have no desire to live next door to Muslims who kill so easily. Husbands abuse and kill their wives. Fathers kill their own children. Killing infidels is a passport to paradise. I read also about the brutality and insensitivity of the Hamas...and the Palestinians support its actions. I have read about the Muslims that invaded Europe...and crime escalated. Women could not go out of their homes without being attacked and murdered.. Some years back there was a Muslim doctor in the service at an army center in the midwest here in America who turned on a number of unarmed soldiers for no reason at all and slaughtered them. There is something radically wrong in the minds of people who can do things like this. We do not need people in America whose Koran in nine chapters advises people to kill Infidels. It also promotes lying in order to advance Islam.
Yes the West has a much more advanced culture than the Islam “way of life” that is stuck in the 7th century. It is a mistake to call it a religion. It’s a deen.
What is a deen?
I see the image is gone so here is the text:
Deen - A comprehensive systen of submission and obedience to Allah governing worship, law, politics, economics, commerce, family life, personal hygiene, morality, and society. The term appears approximately one hundred times in rhe Quran and consistently describes Islam as a deen rather than a religion in the modern Western sense. It encompasses both belief and the legal, political, and social order established by Allah. The Quran states that Allah sent Mohammed with “guidance and the deen of truth” to make it prevail over all other deen (Quran 9:33, 48:28, 61:9), underscoring its comprehensive and governing nature. (Arabic plural: adyān)
I’m glad you asked. The following glossary entry is from “The Deen Fallacy - How the West Came to Misclassify Islam” by Elaine Ellinger.
Is this a book? It would be interesting to know how islam describes itself. with the word deen. I have friend who may know...Will have to ask.
Islam describes itself as a deen.
Allah is known as the Moon god and the symbol is a quarter moon. Morality??? Killing, stealing, lying are not exactly moral traits. The koran states it is the duty of its followers to kill Infidels and it is alright to lie in order to advance Islam...family life?...it is alright for a man to beat his wife or even kill her; it s alright for a father to kill his children. I read about Mohammad and how he attacked Mecca..and lost his army. Then he turned to the Hebrews and they took him in. After he built up his army, he tried to get the Hebrews to join him in attacking Mecca again, and they declined; so he slaughtered the people who took him in. Not exactly an honorable man. He had 9 wives the youngest he married, when she was 6 years old. When men came to visit, he didn't let them stay too long. He told them that he wanted to be with his wives. He was not exactly a prophet.
You have read lies about the Palestinians. They are beautiful people. Why don't you hear the truth from an Israeli professor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrxTpo36h_4&t=15s
Dr. Nick Maynard of Oxford University medical school has been a witness to the genocide. His opinions, based on first hand experiences in Gaza, should outweigh those of random AI trolls. Anyone who continues to believe the lies of Zionists are choosing to ignore the truth, but the truth will out. My experience in Jerusalem echoes that of Dr. Maynard.
What did i write that was a lie? I took a look and have to say this...have you done any reading about what is going on in Europe with the Muslims who went there? They are causing problems here in the United States too. I don't see Muslims as 'beautiful' people...They are members of a cult that promotes killing Infidels (non-believers)...This is written in the Koran.
Lisa Miron (for a legal perspective), Elizabeth Glass (to give a Jewish perspective), Jana Ben-Nun, and Steven Ben-Nun discuss the Noahide Laws, how courts around the world seem to be incorporating them.
https://rumble.com/v7340z4-the-coming-noahide-laws-and-global-greater-israel.html
swift decapitation for Christians.
That is the same for the Noahide Laws, decapitating Christians for worshipping Jesus. Those laws are being implemented globally, even in secular countries with secular only laws.
The Muslims I know are not what you are hearing about. I remember early on it was mentioned that prisons and psychiatric (forensic) institutions were being emptied and the military aged unaccompanied males were found to have UN credit cards with USD$10,000 loaded. Trump said he would deport them but Redacted News said they haven't been deported. Remember the floods in North Carolina? Journalists found these illegal immigrants in the FEMA camps and any resources designated for survivors of the floods were funnelled to those camps. Plus, there are a lot of Christian Palestinians who are also being snipered while they are at prayer, their lands being stolen, their bodies bulldozed. And Israel is bombing Iranian synagogues. I have read a lot and while I wouldn't call myself an expert I do think I know more than most.
There are also Muslim people who are true to their faith and not radicalized - some of the kindest people ( including the men) I have ever met. I believe their “religion “ has been used to radicalize some of them. I am not in favor of mass Muslim immigration. They have no intention of integrating.
Very similar to the Zionists isn't it. Or does your loyalty prevent you from seeing the evil within your own group? You are always the good guys.
"Have you ever noticed that in the last 200 years the good guys have won every war? What are the odds?" - Norm Macdonald
What group? I am a reader of 84 years...and have no religious affiliation. However, I am not an atheist...I totally believe in the Creator...and ask for guidance in the way I live in a manner that won't hurt anyone or the earth. Don't sit in judgment on others.
According to the story you may or may not agree with, YHWH told Moses to free the Israelites from 400 years of slavery in Egypt. The Israelites were told to enter the Promised Land and kill or drive out the peoples who were living there.
The land had been promised to Abraham and his specific Israelite descendants: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel.
If YHWH created this universe, then it is his. He can give it to those people who obey him and kick out anyone who doesn't.
If you don't like it, take it up with the Most High Big Guy.
If you can't prove your god exists (and NOBODY can) then quit using it as justification for your actions.
So please prove your god exists. I await your proof.
You expect an answer on this forum?
You just said no one can prove He exists. Why should I bother with you?
Anyway, look at the science research in biology, cosmology, etc. Are you someone who believes something (this incredible universe!) came from nothing? Are you open to studying proofs, or just happy to spout off?
Here:
The Irrational Atheist by Vox Day, The Devil's Delusion by David Berlinski, Return of the God Hypothesis by Stephen C. Meyer, Darwin's Black Box by Michael J. Behe, The Priviledged Planet by Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay W. Richards
Then why do you constantly invoke your "god" to justify your support of evil actions?
I'm not an atheist, nor am I agnostic and I don't believe in anything. What's left?
See if you can get your head wrapped around it and solve that one.
I never said "there is no god". I demand proof which is yet to be provided by anyone hence my view is that ALL earthly religions are wrong.
There's my answer. If you ask and I start by giving you information, then as I said "You expect an answer on this forum?" You aren't serious about reading material that may cause you to think. Belligerence is your attitude towards people who believe in a Creator.
Joe is fighting over whose God is better more real? It’s bizarre. And whose Bible is the right story. This is Flat Earth territory.
Really? Look at the new information in the sciences. Look at the history contained in the Scriptures.
People written about in the scriptures were willing to die for their belief and they gave as much proof as possible. If you don't care to read it carefully, then why don't you refrain from sending your ignorant responses.
God would not approve of what has taken place.
There is no real answer to a person who thinks she/he knows what YHWH or who you call God thinks. I'm using history and the scriptures.
Well, at least you know part of your Bible.
full rights = no rights.
like when the bigoted apartheid "chosen" don't allow you to travel on certain roads, block the ambulance that comes for your sick child so you get to watch while he dies, when soldiers play target practice on childrens' body parts, when an "authority" counts your calories and allows in barely enough to keep you alive so they can torture you more.
yeah, gotta love those "full rights!"
Then let's consider that Jesus himself foretold the complete destruction of the Jewish system in 70ce. That was god, cutting them off from his honored covenant made to Abraham. The Jews are now no better than any other country. You've been sold the propaganda of zionism. God opened up a relationship with all peoples; it's now a spiritual relationship, not a fleshly get circumcised contract. That's the Bible's message, not the Jewish hogwash of being favored or having a deed to a rock in the Middle East.
You nailed it.
You are completely wrong. Jesus was himself a Jew who taught, healed, and primarily ministered among Jews. His sharpest criticisms targeted specific religious leaders (e.g., certain Pharisees and scribes in Matthew 23’s “woes”) for hypocrisy, not the Jewish people in general as an ethnic or religious group. He expressed deep sorrow over Jerusalem’s coming fate rather than satisfaction or a desire for it
Yet Jerusalem was destroyed, its records gone. Its linkage was whipped out. They wondered for 2000 years, and not a stone was left on a stone. The Jewish system under Abraham is gone. What is being rebuilt is a physical zionism, and the prophets and apostles told us physical circumcision was replaced by spiritual circumcision, that of the heart. Live with it: the Jews are not a favored nation and haven't been for a long time. A new spiritual nation encompasses the entire earth; that was called the sacred secret of Christ's Messianic Kingdom. Not a nation belonging to a certain DNA. That long-gone dude. Read the apostle Paul's words in Hebrews and Romans; he explains it all. He, too, was a Jew, a lawyer, and a religious leader, and was specifically used by Jesus. This Zionism business is total bullshit.
really not a fleshy circumcised contract? Ezekiel 44:9
“Thus says the Lord GOD: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.”
Geez, look at the whole chapter and preceding chapters.
Then Google this: What is Ezekiel chapter 44 talking about?
You'll find that your comment is irrelevant. It's not the same discussion; it's about temple lawbreakers, not the future Messianic Kingdom. I'm assuming you're Jewish and really want to fit your belief into the scriptures. But that's not how it works. The apostle Paul, a Jewish rabbi, clearly explains what I wrote in the book of Hebrews. That congregation was made up of converted Jews into Christianity who had a hard time reconciling their previous beliefs with their newfound faith in Christ Jesus. An understandable situation. So, Paul helped them with a letter we now call the book of Hebrews in the Bible.
I actually agree that context matters, which is precisely why Ezekiel 44:9 is significant. Ezekiel 44 is part of the continuous temple/restoration vision of chapters 40–48. And only a few chapters earlier, Ezekiel describes Israel's restoration under David, says they will “follow My laws and carefully observe My decrees,” describes an everlasting covenant, and says God's sanctuary will be among Israel “forever” (Ezekiel 37:24–28).
Then, in the detailed sanctuary vision, YHWH explicitly says: “No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart AND flesh…shall enter My sanctuary” (Ezekiel 44:9). Yes, the preceding verses condemn people who had previously profaned the sanctuary. But God's response to that violation is precisely to establish the rule in verse 9. The context doesn't eliminate physical circumcision, rather it explicitly names it.
So if you believe these chapters describe the future Messianic Kingdom, that actually strengthens my question: Why does Ezekiel describe a restored Israel keeping God's laws, with a Davidic ruler and God's sanctuary among them, and still explicitly requires circumcision of both heart AND flesh?
Also, Hebrews never identifies Paul as its author as you claim, and modern scholarship generally does not consider Paul its author. The question is what Ezekiel's prophecy itself says. If your interpretation of Hebrews requires Ezekiel 44:9 to no longer mean what it plainly says, then you need to demonstrate that from Ezekiel, not simply by assuming that the later Christian text has authority to reinterpret it.
What I'm telling you is that the Ezekiel content was for the Jews during that period. How many times were they warned about breaking the Abrahamic covenant? It was a bilateral contract. Israel needed to stay faithful, but they failed more often than not. Therefore, the prophets were used to continually remind Israel of their obligations. In the first century, Paul again emphasized the heart as a metaphor for inward spiritual commitment rather than for outward observance of Jewish law. The law was over; a new spiritual law took its place, no longer for the need of literal foreskin cutting. Romans chapter 2: He also pointed out that circumcision is irrelevant, because one who keeps the spirit of the law is as good as a circumcision. The Jews in Rome were questioning why newly baptized Christians did not become circumcised under the law. Paul told them it was irrelevant because a new spiritual arrangement had now been set up. The Law of the past has been fulfilled in the Christian system under Christ Jesus. The Jewish law was done. The Jewish system under God's guidance was canceled, destroyed completely by the Roman armies, and the remnants scattered throughout the earth. The new system was for all people of the nations, not just Jews, but also Gentiles. Some Jews converted to Christianity and were both circumcised in flesh and spirit. That's the point of the books of Romans and Hebrews. The new system needed to be explained, especially to former Jews. The point here is very clear. The Law under Abraham and Moses was over; the Jewish system ended. No longer did individuals need to have their foreskin chopped off, thankfully, but needed to change their hearts, their motives and desires. Temples, lands, mounts, walls are all fleshly narratives under the law; it ended. Land does not matter; temples don't matter, nations don't matter. Everything is spiritual and open to all peoples.
I agree that Israel repeatedly broke God's covenant and was punished. But punishment is not the same as God permanently canceling His promises to Israel. In fact, the prophets explicitly say the opposite.
Ezekiel 36 says that DESPITE Israel's sins, YHWH will act “for the sake of My holy name,” gather Israel from the nations back to THEIR OWN LAND, give them a new heart and Spirit, and cause them to “follow MY statutes and carefully observe MY ordinances.” Ezekiel 37 continues: Israel becomes one nation in the land under a Davidic ruler, follows God's laws, and God's sanctuary is among them forever. THEN “the nations will know that I am YHWH.”
That is why Ezekiel 44:9 matters: in this same restoration/Temple vision, YHWH explicitly requires circumcision “in HEART AND FLESH.” You can't simply remove “flesh” because it conflicts with Paul's later theology.
Jeremiah 31 is even clearer. The NEW COVENANT is explicitly made “with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL and the HOUSE OF JUDAH,” with God's Torah written on their hearts. Immediately afterward YHWH says Israel will cease being “a nation before Me forever” only if the fixed order of the sun, moon and stars ceases, and says He will not reject Israel's descendants “for all that they have done.”
And the prophets certainly include Gentiles, however, but not by replacing Israel.
Zechariah 14 describes the future time when “YHWH will be King over all the earth.” Yet NATIONS still exist, JERUSALEM still matters, and those nations go up YEAR AFTER YEAR to Jerusalem to worship YHWH and celebrate SUKKOT, which is....a Torah festival. Nations refusing to observe it are punished.
Isaiah 2 says essentially the same thing: “in the latter days” the NATIONS go up to the mountain of YHWH in Jerusalem saying, “He will teach us His ways,” because “TORAH shall go forth from Zion and the word of YHWH from Jerusalem.”
So the prophetic picture is not: Israel failed, torah ended, Israel, Jerusalem, the land and nations became irrelevant , and everything became “spiritual.”
Rather, reading all and in context: Israel sins and is punished, YHWH restores Israel for the sake of His holy name, Israel returns to the land from their exile, Israel follows God's statutes, and a Davidic ruler reigns, and YHWH dwells among them and through this restoration THE NATIONS COME TO KNOW YHWH.
Even Paul says in Romans 11, “Has God rejected His people? By no means!” and warns Gentile believers not to become arrogant toward Israel.
So my question to you remains very simple: Where does YHWH say in the Tanakh that He permanently canceled Israel, abolished Torah, and made Israel, Jerusalem and the land irrelevant?
Because Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah and Zechariah appear to say the opposite.
“If a land was promised to you by God over 3,000 years ago, one would expect it to be rightfully yours without the need to conquer and inflict brutal oppression, persecution, displacement, murders, and terror upon the existing indigenous Palestinian people for nearly 80 years. You would simply possess it.”
Ironically, the average Palestinian has a deeper historical and cultural connection to the ancient Israelites and Hebrew peoples, as well as to Jesus, than the average immigrant from Central or Eastern Europe or a typical Brooklyn Jew.
Before the rise of Zionism and the establishment of Israel in 1948, Palestinians of diverse backgrounds—Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Jews—coexisted relatively peacefully, reflective of a long shared history and heritage. The Israelites controlled the region for only about 10% of the last 4,000 years, temporarily conquering cities like Jericho and Jerusalem from indigenous Canaanites and early Palestinians. Today, however, they ridiculously yet aggressively claim “exclusive” rights to this land.
The Balfour Declaration of 1917, which supported the establishment of a "national home for the (European) Jewish people," was made aggressively and amazingly without the consultation let alone consent of the indigenous Palestinian population, highlighting the total disregard for Palestinians deep-rooted connection to their land and their definitive historical and traditional homeland rights.
What makes Israel's treatment of Palestinians particularly egregious and hypocritical is the fact that European Jews, who endured severe persecution leading up to and during World War II, should possess a greater empathy and understanding, given their own history of suffering. Yet, we witness an influx of European Zionists into Israel, where they inflict genocide and ongoing ethnic cleansing on the Palestinian people—an irony that cannot be overlooked.
What today’s Netanyahu (Mileikowsky) Zionist regime is doing to Gaza is clearly an abomination. The world is waking up, and Israel has become a pariah. It’s time for particularly Americans to recognise the tight grip and influence Zionists have on their country—especially in Congress, banking, and media.
The Zionist agenda in Palestine has transformed the region into an Unholy Land. This invasive evil has spread, infecting other nations, notably America. We must not allow the ongoing Zionist influence to go unchallenged here in Australia. Remember the wise words: 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.' Let us stand for justice, humanity, and the rights of all people.”
Nope.
Where do you find this information about the Jews?
Good for you to call him out. There's still an unspoken rule - no difference of opinion with "holocaust survivors"
How about we get the hell out of Israeli politics, stop sending them money, stop sending money to Arab countries, and have a truly noninterventionist foreign policy? I hope for peace in every country, but this isn't our fight. We shouldn't have been involved with the formation of Israel, but the fact that we were does not justify our staying in this endless, no-win, highly destructive and pricey (in $ and lives) conflict.
1937 and 1947: Jewish leadership accepted British and UN partition plans to divide the land, while Arab leaders rejected them.
1967: Israel offered to return territories captured in the Six-Day War in exchange for peace agreements, which were rejected at the Khartoum Summit.
2000: Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered nearly all of the West Bank, all of Gaza, and parts of East Jerusalem during the Camp David Summit.
2008: Prime Minister Ehud Olmert proposed a plan including a land swap and international control over Jerusalem, which was rejected by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
We shouldn't have been involved in the formation of Israel? What did we owe these people after what happened during WWII? Say nothing and walk away? Side with neither when Israel is fighting for existence against sworn enemies of the U.S.?
BTW: This is YHWH's land. He says he will place his throne in Jerusalem, and those he wants will live there with him.
last time I checked, a Biblical verse is not the same as a deed to a property. you murder the people living in a house and that's murder. you steal someone's land and that's stealing. you forget to mention that God kicked them out and sent them wandering because they had misbehaved. I think that canceled the real estate deal.
Who owns the land? YHWH does. Yes, he did divorce Israel and kick out Judah. He will bring them back.
Those who help Israel will be helped, and those who oppose YHWH's plans will be destroyed.
Joe, assuming you believe what you preach, you have a personal obligation to help the country that calls itself Israel. This does not apply to the US Government. God is not easily fooled, I assume, and you'll get no credit from Him by passing off your duty to others, including all American taxpayers, most of whom don't believe this crap.
I don't know what "crap" you're talking about.
Joe, I apologize for insulting your belief. That is no way to reach an understanding or settle anything. What I meant was some people wrote a book and within that book it was said other people should support them, and they would receive blessings in return. To understand this better, imagine one of your local car dealers wrote a book and in the book said people would be blessed by God if they bought cars from his dealership. He could even sweeten the deal and say the blessings would extend to anyone who got some government agency to buy a car. Would you say this was a bunch of crap?
Another thought may be worth considering: suppose the people who founded and named the State of Israel had decided, instead of calling it Israel, they would name it Yahweh-Land. They weren't that stupid, but well, their book still says you should support Israel, so you'd be off the hook, but maybe you'd get some blessings if you could get the Government to send them billions of dollars and fight their wars for them. What would you do?
Finally, we all know the people who wrote the book were of the same tribe who killed our Jesus. Why should you believe anything they said in the book?
Where do you get the concept that murder and stealing is bad from? God kicked them out and that's the end of the story? Or what else did God tells us in the Hebrew Bible?
lori2022: You make comments and then run away?
And we stay out and let God handle it. Gaza is also fighting for existence.
That's what Israel increasingly wants. They are tired of being 'instructed' by the Big Satan. Israel is supporting us in our fight against Iran...not vice-versa. Let's get out of their business and let them get on with what they need to do.
for heaven's sake. Iran is not the "big Satan." BiBi has been trying to hoodwink a US president into fighting and paying for this war for 40 years. the man refuses to get along with anyone. he just wants to be the biggest dick on the playground. he finally found someone stupid enough to do it for him. don't go starting with the TDS bullshit. why should lazy Isr**lis get their hands dirty fighting a war when their Shabbos Goy will do it for them?
wait until he goes up against Turkey, next on his list of "enemies." hopefully they'll slaughter him and take out his army and maybe then we can stop paying for his Middle Eastern wars
LOL.
Agree but what if it is actually what our administration wanted and “ used “ Israel to look like the perpetrator? I do wonder.
There is a move to collaborate even more with the U.S. in terms of arms and money. The U.S. would be giving up its leverage for a so-called ally.
BOOM!
He makes a very strong moral case but he says nothing of what can or should be done to resolve the situation. What do you do when your neighbor has sworn to wipe you off the face of the map?
That was not said. The accurate phrase was "The regime that occupies Jerusalem must be erased from the pages of history". Regime change, not genocide. Quit repeating that lie or you make yourself obviously ignorant of the facts.
The Ayatollah Khomeini met with Iran's Rabbis and literally said "I have nothing against the descendants of Moses. It's those Zionist bloodsuckers I can't stand". There are still 10,000 to 12,000 Jews living in Iran. You just bombed their synagogue.
Where do you think the Jews went when the European countries kicked them out? A lot went to the Islamic empire. Moslems and Jews lived together in Moslem controlled countries for 1500 years.
That statement by Khomeini is pure Taqqiya that does not hold up to scrutiny of the foundational doctrine, over half of which is focused on the (mal)treatment of the Kafir.
That's a lie and you know it. Islam doesn't care who is in charge in Israel...it is Israel that they will crush either via immigration or the sword - and they don't much care which. Did 1948 teach you nothing?
You don’t know me. I am very well read. I am a Christian, I have been to Israel. I am not ignorant of the situation as you suggest. It is a travesty all around. What one leader or another said in what language I always take with a bit of skepticism. My point was and is, what is the solution to the situation in Gaza at this juncture? The holocaust survivor in the video did not offer one other than to stand up and object to what is going on.
Well said David....
Jesus didn't take sides.
I don't either.
Stop taking sides and start answering David's question.
It will work a whole lot better.
...From an internal/emotional standpoint, picking a side and writing messages of hatred, celebrating the suffering of a population, or wishing for their erasure makes a person a war criminal "in their heart." When such people nurture malice "in their hearts", such people harbour the exact same malice that, when given real weapons, triggers actual atrocities on the battlefield...
Jesus didn't take sides.
I don't either.
Stop taking sides and start answering David's question.
It will work a whole lot better.
Verses:
Matthew 5:22 If you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment!
Matthew 5:28
Anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates another brother or sister is really a murderer at heart.
I've turned a bit hard nosed after the events of 7 October.
for those who classify Israel's actions of self defense in the face of a truly exestential threat that is much worse for being up close and personal compared to those promoted by Stalin and the Third Reich, I would ask them to show proof answering these questions, in particular, instances where the IDF or even certain Israeli settler groups have:
- routinely sent assorted suicide bombers into crowded market places and buses
- emplaced rocket and mortar firing positions in close proximity to Protected Structures, including schools, medical facilities or places of worship
- hidden munition caches, some of them fairly large near or even under such protected places, as documented by secondary explosions
- randomly fired towards or into known population concentrations, either in Gaza or the West Bank - note: retaliatory fire, aimed at said firing points does NOT count!
- directly attacked civilians who have gathered for festivals
= murdered the males at said festivals and taken the females and children hostage, often to points near said munitions caches
= murdered the hostage infants and children, either directly or thru neglect
= systematically raped, tortured and murdered the hostage females
= systematically refused to cooperate with International Humanitarian Authorities to identify, much less confirm the condition, of said hostages
= systematically refused to allow those same authorities access to evaluate the conditions of which those hostages have been held.
- finally, and most damning, diverted food stuffs, sanitation and hygiene supplies and construction supplies designated to help succor suffering civilian populations inside the affected area
Your list is an accurate description of Hamas terrorist activities. Asking people propagandized into "Israel bad" to read this will only result in their inability to see the letters on the page, or if so, they will not read them as coherent sentences.
yep.
There are also two points that cover the purported blame on Israel for the failure of multiple attempts at providing for a peaceful coexistence in a two state system -
the first deals with the claims of apartheid: How can true apartheid exist when Arabs who accept Israeli citizenship and abjure the efforts to drive the Jews into the Sea, can and do serve in all capacities in the Israeli government up to and including holding seats in the Knesset and high military command?
The second deals with reality on the ground: How can the World expect Israel to peacefully coexist with assorted groups who are unwilling or unable to love their own children more than the hate the Jews?
Read this https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/10/10/the-savagery-of-the-war-against-the-palestinian-people/
Here is a list of all the attacked against Gaza/Palestine before Oct 7. Please get all the information before making judgments.https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/10/10/the-savagery-of-the-war-against-the-palestinian-people/
Interesting. A list of responses to Hamas terror attacks, but no mention of the reason they occurred. Is Israel the only country that should not respond to rockets fired, suicide bombers, and tunnels dug to enter their sovereign territory and kill civilians?
You didn't happen to notice that Israel gave the Arabs Gaza to try to get peace, and the Arabs turned Gaza into a de facto terror training camp, taking any money sent their way to build terror tunnels, obtain rockets, and of course all forms of explosives and firearms.
Israel’s self-defense against aggressors wishing to genocide them is not genocide.
Like Irgun, Stern gang and the other Zionists did? You know, Begin and his ilk? Killing civilians, murdering whole villages. But it's okay when you do it because you're always the good guys.
LMAO. You can rationalize and justify Gaza you are the problem.
For a group that has pretensions of being "The Master Race" you turned out to be pathetically average humans. 90% of Israeli adults took the first 2 shots, 80% the third and 50% the fourth. Just another bunch of delusional humans pathetically going along with their own deaths.
There are countries that are worse like Ireland and Portugal but there's also countries that did better like USA, Switzerland & Austria. Nothing special about you. Just another pathetically average bunch of humans.
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Irgun was not a government-sponsored group; it was a Jewish underground paramilitary organization that operated independently during the British Mandate. It was formed by members who split from the Haganah in protest against its policies.
Avraham Stern split from Irgun for not being militant enough.
These are not evidence of government wrong doing, or the general thrust of Zionism, which is what all people would want--a safe harbor in which to live and thrive. Israel was granted that in 1948, and were immediately and repeatedly attacked by the Arabs.
The Jewish refugees who were dispossessed of their business, homes possessions and often their lives, who lived in the surrounding Arab countries, were taken in by the nascent State of Israel. Meanwhile, the Arabs who fled Israel AT THE BEHEST of the Arab League, were refused entry into Arab nations. Those who entered Jordan cause so much trouble about 10,000 of them were killed. Hamas is a result of Arab nations refusing to shelter their own people, and the sour philosophy of Islamic terrorism.
If Arabs didn't attack Israel, there would be no Middle East conflict.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/15/the-nakba-five-palestinian-towns-massacred-75-years-ago And the zionist were given weapons for war. The Palestinians got nothing to protect themselves
Go get your booster.
Why so I can enter your level of Hell? Get an education.
let's also look at the actions of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during that period - Mohammed Amin al-Husseini was in cahoots with Hitler, so again, which group was being provocative and which retaliatory?
Oh, and I've been familiar with all three of those psychological experiments for a long time, along with the ones claiming that overpopulation in murine colonies can explain some of the problems in human society. My College Psych Prof dissected both Stanford and Milford with a flaying knife.
Rationalize and justify the evil your side does because others do it? LMAO. You are the same as them then. Enjoy cesspool you have created.
2 out of 3 were not supposed to be repeated but were. Similar results. The species is tribal bunch of herd animals. You are not superior to any others.
Great response. Your comparisons and logic fail. You support the lowest form of humanity on the planet--Islamic fascists--and complain and hurl insults when people don't agree with you.
Well said.
They sure have. You have not done your research.
So many leaders of the global campaign against Israel's (and, let's be real, the USA's) stepped-up ethnic cleansing of Palestinian and Lebanese lands are Jewish. It's especially poignant when European Holocaust survivors are forced to state that it's happening again, in the mid-Levant.
Yes, of course it is a holocaust!!! Any group, or individual, that discriminately kills people is committing holocaust!!! It doesn't matter who started the "argument". Everyone knows there has been war in the middle east for decades, centuries. Do we really know exactly who did, said, started what? I suspose a historian does. But, does it matter who started the war? Isn't WAR a holocaust? It is past time to STOP the nonsense of killing each other, whether it is called war or holocaust or killing!!!! Why are we allowing or endorsing fake "leaders" to take us down a road of destruction? Do we not understand that sending our young adults to war means that thousands, perhaps millions, of people will die, including our own young sons and daughters? Isn't that a holocaust? Why do we continue to partiscipate in holocaust situations????
Your ignorance is showing. Discriminate killing is what happens in war. There is no deliberate, discriminatory killing of civilians. War is evil. War is hell. Civilians die in war. Unfortunately we experience war from time to time and we have to be ready to aggressively fight defensive wars to their conclusion. This is an existential war for Israel and I hope they're 'permitted' to finish the job successfully.
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When someone wants to bash Israel they trot out a Jewish person who doesn't agree with Israel's policy, and then usually incorporate Hamas propaganda to make the case.
This actually speaks well for Israel in general. Israelis, or Jews at large can have their own opinions and state them, because Israel is a free society. "Security forces" won't pay them a midnight visit. They won't issue a fatwa to encourage the murder of the dissenter if he lives in a foreign country. The dissenter won't be murdered in the street by a mob of his fellow citizens. Israel differs immensely from its neighbors in that respect.
Any misfortune that has fallen on the Arabs of Gaza, very few of which don't sign on to the "River to the Sea" motto, can be blamed squarely on their governing body, Hamas.
What I would like to know is whether he (and you and Dr. McCullough) expressed the same horror at the inhumane, barbaric, even demonic actions taken by Hamas against innocent Israeli young people at a festival, families in their homes, babies and the elderly on October 7th? The rapes, mutilations and murders that were recorded by Hamas and celebrated in Gaza were beyond atrocities. Three hundred hostages taken and many starved and tortured and killed. Where were the compassionate Palestinians then? I’ve been an avid supporter of Dr. McCullough on all things Covid since he first spoke out, but the disproportionate criticism of Israel and the “genocide” is troublesome to me. Yes, “the government” lied about Covid and the vax. But that doesn’t mean the government lies about everything. And when the Palestinians start to condemn their leaders’ actions instead of cheering for their barbarity, I’ll be more sympathetic.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
Right or wrong, Israel is under existential threat and are fighting a righteous, defensive war against Hamas and their sponsor, Iran. I hope they get to finish the fight successfully.
Isr**l is always under "existential" threat in its paranoid mind. yeah ok, what about the "poor" victims on oct 7 "not since the holocaust?" when you beat your neighbors down for decades, use their kids for target practice and rub their faces in your "superiority," you shouldn't be too surprised when even a beaten down people rises up and strikes back. do you really think the IDF didn't see that coming? no, they needed a fucking excuse to complete their genocide and knew there would be complaints from the rest of the civilized world. so they let some of their own people be killed so they'd have an excuse. there is nothing "defensive" about Isr**l's war in Gaza, Lebanon, or Iran. I cheer on Hamas and Iran! next Isr**l wants a war with Turkey. HA! let Turkey slaughter them!!
This is so absurd. If the Israelis were engaged in genocide in Gaza there would be nobody left alive by now. Instead they drop pamphlets of warning and take every conceivable opportunity to minimize civilian deaths. In what universe is that called genocide? I can answer that question: only in the universe of irrational Jew hatred. I have no idea why this Holocaust survivor is saying such absurd things. Maybe he is senile, maybe he is under pressure of some sort, maybe something else. It doesn't matter. We can clearly see with our own eyes that this is not genocide. Why do you post this nonsense Mr. Leake? What is your real agenda? Do you really think Israel is supposed to sit still for constant missiles aimed at civilian targets and do nothing about atrocities committed by hate-filled attackers?
I am not impressed. First, he conflates holocaust and genocide which are NOT the same thing. There is no genocide in Gaza. Second, Israel is prosecuting a defensive war against an aggressor country...100% legal. Third, Israel is doing everything in its power to keep Gazan civilians safe which, of course, gives Hamas terrorists free safe haven. Fourth, failing to defeat Hamas leaves an existential threat to Israel's existence on their southwestern border. Fifth, THERE IS NO PALESTINE AND THERE IS NO TWO-STATE SOLUTION. Get used to that.
If you remember, the Jewish ghettos in Germany were systematically isolated with out ability to come and go and food and water became scare to starve the population and force them to be escorted to the gas chambers. I saw the well planned process of exterminating humans when I visited Dachau. The similarities of what is happening in Gaza is a similar scenario. Only the ethnic group has changed. President Trump is pushing a peace plan and it is being rejected. The cleansing has not been complete. They are resolving the two state republic by liquidating Gaza.
No formal gas chambers. Just continued indiscriminate killing. No differentiation between the innocent and the fighters. The continued regional waring just displaces more and more people that then migrate and become a burden in another location and disrupt the economies of the country that accepts them. Same will happen with Gaza, Those that survive the continued shelling will leave if they find the support they need to leave. Eugenics has to be at the root cause of why this continues to happen. The elite envision a smaller human world. In the last century we have eliminated 100 million globally. Not enough. The fact that your ability to look at all sides of the issue is being controlled speaks volumes that they do not want the truth to be known. Slows the eugenics process. My analysis.
No, it is not a "similar scenario". It is totally different. The killing is not iniscriminate. Israel should get a Nobel prize for bending over backwards to preserve civilian Gazan lives during this conflict. I question that RPh behind your name whatever that means.
One big difference was that Israel brought truckloads of food daily into Gaza, and msy still be happening. That never happened in Germany...
How many have they killed? Only terrorists? Only Hamas fighters? Why is it still happening? International court of law has condemned what is happening. Correct?
They will not let reporters in to report what is truly transpiring so how do you know what is reality? Based on what appears to be true, it surer seems it is a similar situation.
The rubble of destroyed concrete structures goes on for miles. They won't let humanitarian help in and they won't let the homeless leave. What else can you conclude?
Irrelevant. Civilians die in all wars. Russia is butchering Ukranian civilians as fast as they possibly can and get a pass. Israel is protecting Gazan civilians as much is possible given the Hamas terrorists hiding in their midst and their numbers have increased over the years. That is NOT a genocide.
I could care what the ICC rules. It is highly politically biased and evil.
Ditto in Ukraine and in Iran and in Russia (to the best of Ukraine's ability). Goes with the territory.
Not to the families who lost their loved ones.
True and sad but that is the nature of war. Ditto for the families of the soldier sons and fathers and husbands killed in war. Not many Russian civilians have died yet but lots of Iranians and Ukrainians (and Japanese and Chinese and so, so many other civilians) have died. War is hell but nations like Israel and Ukraine are forced to fight them and suffer right along with the aggressors.
So … who is the winner and benefits from these wars?
Despite his survival of the Hungarian Holocaust, the man is obviously a Leftist. Jews are the indigenous...always have been. Yes, what about Oct. 7th? What was that?
The continuous hatred of G-d's own people comes from the pit and always has. It is sad that His own people don't see the truth. Yes, the Almighty calls Israel and the Jewish people, "HIS PEOPLE."
the myths you live by are not the myths that everyone lives by. Jesus was supposed to end the "I'm chosen; you're not" BS. Christianity was supposed to make ALL people chosen. remember the New Covenant? funny how one religion gets away with murder by twisting religious stories to suit it's evil purpose
I don't know where you got that, but it's not true.
"what about Oct. 7th? What was that?" - LIHOP
Hamas should have to change their name to DUMBASS because they fell for the biggest "Let It Happen On Purpose" scam and actually thought they had pulled off a great victory. Egypt gave 2 warnings (10 days and 3 days before) right to the prime minister's office. Lots of other warnings but hey now you can justify a genocide and claim a half trillion is gas riches off the coast.
"he Almighty calls Israel and the Jewish people, "HIS PEOPLE."" - So please do get your god to actually show up. Where is it? Your imaginary friend is no more real than anyone else's. You use that as justification for genocide? How NAZI of you. Seig Heil Israel.
You need to do more homework TRM. Caroline Glick wrote all aboutthis and what happened shortly after Oct. 7th. You must have missed it. Quite obviously you think more of Hamas and their actions than you do of the people G-d calls His own. Even the New Testament says the same thing, but then I guess you may have missed that as well.
G-d keeps His promises. Gen. 12:1-3. Choose blessing or curse.
"Quite obviously you think more of Hamas and their actions than you do of the people G-d calls His own" - Can you even READ? WTF? I call Hamas "Dumbass" and you think I support them?
I'll keep it simple for you. Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime. Both sides have done that repeatedly and now you're going for the liquidation phase of your "Warsaw ghetto on steroids" called Gaza. Sieg Heil Israel.
Where is your God then? Prove your god exists or don't bring it into the conversation. Your imaginary friend is no more real than anyone else's.
Israel is not targeting civilians. Israel is doing everything it can to protect Gazan civilians as it attempts to root Hamas terrorists from their midst. I don't envy them that task.
Read your Bible, if you have one...and read historical findings since the days of Noah. You don't even believe in your Maker, so there's no reason to continue this conversation. Proof is everywhere. You're pitiful.
"Proof is everywhere" - Then please provide said proof. I'll wait.
I don't need to, I know. You need to do your own research. Start with reading the Word of the Lord and then look at all the historical proof. It's been found for hundreds of years and exposed. Do some searches on historical documents and findings...even coins tell the truth from ages past.
Bart Ehrman does great podcasts on the Bible from a historical perspective!
I fully concur with that first sentence. Not so much the rest. The USofA was warned repeatedly about the Japanese threat that got us into WWII and failed to react appropriately. I don't know if Israel's failure was intentional but it only takes one individual to fear making a mistake to fail to pass along such warnings that can result in disaster.
There is no genocide. Do you even know the definition of the word?
"There is no genocide" - Go get your booster.
Get educated
except that survivors of genocides past say this is a genocide. it IS and we all know it. J*ws think their their claim on permanent victim status excuses all their sins. WRONG
Oi Vey, next.
The "damage" is irreparable, Israhell has no reason to exist anymore !!!!!
Israel has as much right to exist as does the USofA or any other country...and they have every right to defend themselves against existential threats like Hamas/Gaza.
Isr**l has NO right to exist, as long as they are completely dependent on continual warfare, murder, land theft and complete financial support from the stupid American taxpayer. if Isr**l can get along with it's neighbors, play nice in the sand box and not take a dime of my money to commit genocide, then they might have some right to exist. but really, the UK just wanted to get those meddlesome J*ws out of Europe so they handed them someone else's country and the rest of the world has been paying for the error ever since
Hear ya, been created by Balfour in 1948, The start of genocide started at the same time !!!!!
Straight from the Kosher horse's (snake's) mouth !?!?!?!?!
Both sides have the right to exist. The only one who gets to say no to either side is God, not man.
There are over 2,000,000 Gazans. The average birth rate per female of childbearing age is 4. The Israelis killed 70K of the Gazans, according to the UN. Hamas said that 50k of their soldiers were killed in fighting over the past 2 years. That leaves 20K civilians killed in the fighting. That's 1% of the total population. Given that over 90% of all Gazans support Hamas, according to surveys plus the few times they've had elections, many of those non-combatants support Hamas. That is not genocide. Genocide is what is happening to the Christians in Nigeria, the Falun Gong and Tibetans in China, and ethnic Russians in the eastern provinces of Ukraine before the Russian Army invaded.
The Israelis and their neocon allies dragged us into 2 wars, the First Israeli War against Iraq in 2003-2008, then the Second Israeli War, against Iran, February 2026 to the present. These are far more egregious transgressions against the US and our allies than the fighting in Gaza and the ones we should focus on. Notice that none of the 57 Muslim-majority countries on earth, except for Iran, gives any important aid or succor to the Gazans. That's because they don't see what is going there a genocide. Indeed, many of those same said Islamic states are more brutal to their own citizens than the Israelis are to the Gazans.
You are ignorant of an important criterion of genocide. Namely, intent. The intent of the ethnosupremicist Zionists is openly stated and clear.
Spoken like a Islamo-fascist supporter, Daniel. Israel has shown absolutely no intent. There is not ethno-supremicism in Zionism. Israel is a country run by Jews just like England was once a country run by Anglicans. Not anymore, and see how that's working out? Or a more concrete comparison would be Saudi Arabia. Why shouldn't Jews run a Jewish nation? Yet they have Arab Muslim representatives in the Knesset.
Zionism is a home for the Jewish people It needs to be defended. It is a productive nation the size of Connecticut, and punches far above its weight in all the sciences, agriculture, water management, and thankfully, air defense. I am a Zionist, and I'm not Jewish.
Spoken like a ZioNazi, ANonnyMouse, bathing in the Nile.
I spend very little time reading comments to any podcaster or writer. I spend even less time replying myself. However, since you started writing about Iran and Israel I have become very concerned and have replied more to your posts, John, than to anyone else's on the planet. Your recent writing on your perception of the "psychology" behind various view points increases my concern. I think there is someone much more qualified to answer the questions you are asking of your readers. That person is Dr. Robert Malone. I see him as your colleague in misfortune during Covid. He suffered much as did you and Dr. McCullough. Dr. Malone has recently been posting on the situation in Israel. It started as a 3 post series but he has recently posted his 5th essay on the topic. He promises that the 6th post will be the last. He started the journey believing that he would get the documentation to support his current belief. In his words Israel has kept "handing him a mirror". This link will hopefully take you to part one https://www.malone.news/p/the-wolf-at-the-door-the-safe-room?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b5ddff1-7a46-4979-af50-8714e41df015_1456x1048.jpeg&open=false . I have been impressed with his diligence, scholarship, and honesty about a very complicated situation.
Malone is very one-sided. Next.
Lori, reading the comments here, shows that everyone is very one-sided. Does that disqualify everyone from either side?
Next.
As to what Kapos had to say about propaganda, it made me think, "There but for fortune go I." It is such a powerful force for controlling the masses! And the younger you start getting hit with it, the more powerful it is. I am grateful I see clearly about the mass poisoning of our population and about this, yes, holocaust we are perpetrating.
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For an unpleasant moment there, I was scared I was a stupid old lady getting scammed, so I video called this family without giving any warning and they were exactly as they described themselves. A family of 6, with a baby, living in a bombed-out apartment in Gaza.
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