The reasonable question is why does replacing testosterone lead to atrophy? Theoretically, you are taking testosterone because you have low testosterone, and you are just replacing to to a normal value. It used to be that we did not give testosterone shots unless both the level was below 300 ng/dl, and there were some symptoms of low testosterone.
Now the popular clinics (Low T) just seem to give it upon request. It used to be reasonable to aim for a level of about 600. Now many are far above 1000. Most of these clinics use injectable testosterone, as this is quite profitable to sell them the drug. The drug will work in most everyone; that is increase muscle mass, increase libido, increase frequency of erotic dreams, and increase masturbation. This occurs both in men and women. It has little effect on erectile dysfunction unless the testosterone level is quite low. It ends up testosterone treatment may make you feel better, but may not increase the amount of sex you have.
When you give shots, the level is higher soon after the shot, and lower just before the next shop. The initial high level suppresses endogenous T production, and it does not recover completely when you get the next shot.
It is far better to use the gel. The levels do not fluctuate as much (you take it daily), and hence does not suppress the production (unless you are giving yourself too large a dose. You can actually measure the level and adjust the daily dosage to keep the T level below 1000.
Women require about a tenth as much testosterone. Clitoral hypertrophy means you are getting too much. The best way for a woman to determine if she is getting too much is to observe leg hair growth. Women have a good sense to evaluate if the leg hair is getting too coarse when shaving. Most women are using topical testosterone, and it is easy to decrease the dose.
My female trainer encouraged me to watch a young woman change as she began training. She was perhaps 135 lbs and 17% fat? Within two months she was maybe 140, 7% fat, with a penile bulge, bench pressing over her weight and pimples across her back.
Would you agree that she is getting too much testosterone? In the past, (30 years ago), I had been referred patients who were undergoing gender change. Of course, most were men going to women who required estrogen, but a few were going the other direction. The dose of testosterone for these patients was about 200 mg a month. The patient you described is getting this dose.
An appropriate dose for women not undergoing gender change would make her somewhat stronger, but would not affect their appearance that much. A much lower dose would treat their main symptom, which was usually not lack of muscle growth, but rather decreased libido and decreased frequency of orgasm. In contrast,, men do not have increased frequency of orgasm during sex while using testosterone, unless their level is quite low.
Testosterone can be given to women, usually as a cream or subcutaneous pellet. Clitoral hypertrophy indicates too high a dose. Better just to monitor leg hair growth for coarseness while shaving, and lower the dose if this appears.
Anecdotally, I believe there is a similar issue with males taking steroids in order to ‘buff up’, where not only do their testicles shrink, but their penises as well. The going ‘joke’ has been about men with extremely muscular bodies that attract women, only to find that their appendage is less than anticipated.
Steroid use also significantly decreases natural testosterone production. To compensate for that, athletes and bodybuilders who use steroids always have to inject synthetic testosterone.
Putting aside for the moment the conspiracy theories and loss of faith and doubt in everything from the nanny State to deep State, please pardon my adolescence, but I mean seriously people, “horny goat weed” for the family jewels, ah, gonads? I needed a good laugh.
Whatever you say to get back to Gods science works for me Dr Mac, but going on 80 what the heck is my mental health going to do with increased libido? Although I look younger than my age and with a beat up body I can still physically outwork most 20 something’s and my reflexes are nearly as good as six decades ago, so I’m good. I just wish nurses would stop talking to me like I’m already three of six feet under and it’s my responsibility to let them squeeze the last few diag’s out of me.
Perhaps we might focus more on why the mental health institutions have become a dumpster fire over six decades while elbowing their way into medical research with mind altering drugs to fix the targeted chaos and depression heading into a global endgame.
What is it about my TV Boomer generation and their offspring over the last six decades of junk food and science that makes us think we should last forever as perfect physical specimens? The faithful already have a cure for the fear of dying.
Corporate academia, corporate medicine, corporate marketeer’s and corporate tech “research and development” have collaborated simultaneously with corporate MSM jackals and cultural psychological ism’s to promote mentally, and dare I say physically emasculated men that brought about female fragility without faith, hope or marriage, so having bigger balls sounds like a welcome change.
The international Super Bowl halftime show will be so grotesquely and nauseatingly perverse that it’s not suitable for anyone but odds makers, but a Billion people will watch it just because we’re told it’s super. Gee, next thing ya know prestigious university Presidents will be saying men can have babies, SCOTUS gulps trying to define the word woman, APA member doctors mutilate children's’ bodies for dollars, fourteen (D) States will by State law take children from parents for dissenting, and corporate subordinate nurses around the country that carry out level of care rather prefer it their right to make death threats against law enforcement based on their platitudes of political and moral viewpoint. The same doctors and nursing graduates from corporate influenced academic universities mandate focusing primarily on DEI care for “people of color” before “others of privilege”.
But I remember a time six decades ago in Nam when wounded enemy combatant’s were given the same level of care as American soldiers. But that did not fit Associated Press’s narrative of snap shots and sound bites going forward.
But MSM, bureaucracy, academia, and corporate democratic narratives say’s that didn’t happen, it’s made up, another conspiracy theory, but it’s good that it happen, and don’t blame them.
President Eisenhower’s 1961 farewell speech warned we Boomers about they/them in full context about the collusion between academia (public education), burgeoning bureaucracy (regulation used as weaponry and to insulate Representative’s from the people), technology (censorship), and corporate (MSM to cultural commerce control). Unfortunately the only thing that they/them heard was “beware the military industrial complex” that fit the negative narrative against America and it’s patriots going forward.
It’s almost like some-thing or some-one named they/them six decades ago saw the beginnings of my 80M TV Boomer generation coming of age and said: “we got this for as long as we want to to mold into whatever we want to for the next six decades until the 2030 reset date”, or my Boomer generation onward were so insidiously, psychologically traumatized by the idea of nuclear Armageddon that that 80 M Boomers and their offspring became inherently nihilistic, fatalistic, as if nothing of the past matters going forward and there were more than enough America haters already inside the gates to help make it happen, unless those of wisdom and moral clarity step up to reverse it.
Nah, that didn’t happen, and doctors like doctor Mac are just quacks inside the Matrix.
Maybe 20 years ago I watched men at the gym inject each other with androgens. They scheduled doses in a “stack” to achieve their goals. I asked how they designed this schedule - “the guy at the store” (they explained that steroids were sold for cash and you got free advice).
Maybe a few months later i noticed breasts growing on a few of them. I wanted to tell them they needed anti estrogen but couldn’t risk it due explosive temperament.
Incomplete Masculinization started long before TRT.
And nobody talks about it. Small penis, small testes, infertility. Its caused by the estrogenation of American males.
When the Evil ended the soldier breeding program in America in the '70s, they began introducing estrogenic foods like soy and corn, and synthetic hormones into the meat, poultry and plastics. And infants went from milk-based formula to soy. This overload of estrogenic hormones disrupts the developing reproductive system, so children who grew up on them, as adults will have altered reproductive systems.
Those reproductively altered male children grew up and mated with reproductively altered females and produced offspring that are so reproductively screwed up they don't even know what sex they are.
That's why we call Gender Dysphoria/Transgender the 'Happy Meal Syndrome'.
And that's why now when we need them, our soldier-age males don't know whether to pick up a gun or a bottle of nail polish.
And our older males wonder why they can't get it up.
And they certainly don't want those estrogenated males taking Testosterone.
It's like with any other drug: short-term gain for long-term catastrophic loss
The reasonable question is why does replacing testosterone lead to atrophy? Theoretically, you are taking testosterone because you have low testosterone, and you are just replacing to to a normal value. It used to be that we did not give testosterone shots unless both the level was below 300 ng/dl, and there were some symptoms of low testosterone.
Now the popular clinics (Low T) just seem to give it upon request. It used to be reasonable to aim for a level of about 600. Now many are far above 1000. Most of these clinics use injectable testosterone, as this is quite profitable to sell them the drug. The drug will work in most everyone; that is increase muscle mass, increase libido, increase frequency of erotic dreams, and increase masturbation. This occurs both in men and women. It has little effect on erectile dysfunction unless the testosterone level is quite low. It ends up testosterone treatment may make you feel better, but may not increase the amount of sex you have.
When you give shots, the level is higher soon after the shot, and lower just before the next shop. The initial high level suppresses endogenous T production, and it does not recover completely when you get the next shot.
It is far better to use the gel. The levels do not fluctuate as much (you take it daily), and hence does not suppress the production (unless you are giving yourself too large a dose. You can actually measure the level and adjust the daily dosage to keep the T level below 1000.
Women require about a tenth as much testosterone. Clitoral hypertrophy means you are getting too much. The best way for a woman to determine if she is getting too much is to observe leg hair growth. Women have a good sense to evaluate if the leg hair is getting too coarse when shaving. Most women are using topical testosterone, and it is easy to decrease the dose.
Kelly Gregg MD Sexuality in Marriage After Fifty
My female trainer encouraged me to watch a young woman change as she began training. She was perhaps 135 lbs and 17% fat? Within two months she was maybe 140, 7% fat, with a penile bulge, bench pressing over her weight and pimples across her back.
Would you agree that she is getting too much testosterone? In the past, (30 years ago), I had been referred patients who were undergoing gender change. Of course, most were men going to women who required estrogen, but a few were going the other direction. The dose of testosterone for these patients was about 200 mg a month. The patient you described is getting this dose.
An appropriate dose for women not undergoing gender change would make her somewhat stronger, but would not affect their appearance that much. A much lower dose would treat their main symptom, which was usually not lack of muscle growth, but rather decreased libido and decreased frequency of orgasm. In contrast,, men do not have increased frequency of orgasm during sex while using testosterone, unless their level is quite low.
Testosterone can be given to women, usually as a cream or subcutaneous pellet. Clitoral hypertrophy indicates too high a dose. Better just to monitor leg hair growth for coarseness while shaving, and lower the dose if this appears.
Anecdotally, I believe there is a similar issue with males taking steroids in order to ‘buff up’, where not only do their testicles shrink, but their penises as well. The going ‘joke’ has been about men with extremely muscular bodies that attract women, only to find that their appendage is less than anticipated.
Steroid use also significantly decreases natural testosterone production. To compensate for that, athletes and bodybuilders who use steroids always have to inject synthetic testosterone.
I’ve noted that females are using Testosterone for their own reasons.
What would other negative effects be besides the enlargement of the clitoris
Putting aside for the moment the conspiracy theories and loss of faith and doubt in everything from the nanny State to deep State, please pardon my adolescence, but I mean seriously people, “horny goat weed” for the family jewels, ah, gonads? I needed a good laugh.
Whatever you say to get back to Gods science works for me Dr Mac, but going on 80 what the heck is my mental health going to do with increased libido? Although I look younger than my age and with a beat up body I can still physically outwork most 20 something’s and my reflexes are nearly as good as six decades ago, so I’m good. I just wish nurses would stop talking to me like I’m already three of six feet under and it’s my responsibility to let them squeeze the last few diag’s out of me.
Perhaps we might focus more on why the mental health institutions have become a dumpster fire over six decades while elbowing their way into medical research with mind altering drugs to fix the targeted chaos and depression heading into a global endgame.
What is it about my TV Boomer generation and their offspring over the last six decades of junk food and science that makes us think we should last forever as perfect physical specimens? The faithful already have a cure for the fear of dying.
Corporate academia, corporate medicine, corporate marketeer’s and corporate tech “research and development” have collaborated simultaneously with corporate MSM jackals and cultural psychological ism’s to promote mentally, and dare I say physically emasculated men that brought about female fragility without faith, hope or marriage, so having bigger balls sounds like a welcome change.
The international Super Bowl halftime show will be so grotesquely and nauseatingly perverse that it’s not suitable for anyone but odds makers, but a Billion people will watch it just because we’re told it’s super. Gee, next thing ya know prestigious university Presidents will be saying men can have babies, SCOTUS gulps trying to define the word woman, APA member doctors mutilate children's’ bodies for dollars, fourteen (D) States will by State law take children from parents for dissenting, and corporate subordinate nurses around the country that carry out level of care rather prefer it their right to make death threats against law enforcement based on their platitudes of political and moral viewpoint. The same doctors and nursing graduates from corporate influenced academic universities mandate focusing primarily on DEI care for “people of color” before “others of privilege”.
But I remember a time six decades ago in Nam when wounded enemy combatant’s were given the same level of care as American soldiers. But that did not fit Associated Press’s narrative of snap shots and sound bites going forward.
But MSM, bureaucracy, academia, and corporate democratic narratives say’s that didn’t happen, it’s made up, another conspiracy theory, but it’s good that it happen, and don’t blame them.
President Eisenhower’s 1961 farewell speech warned we Boomers about they/them in full context about the collusion between academia (public education), burgeoning bureaucracy (regulation used as weaponry and to insulate Representative’s from the people), technology (censorship), and corporate (MSM to cultural commerce control). Unfortunately the only thing that they/them heard was “beware the military industrial complex” that fit the negative narrative against America and it’s patriots going forward.
It’s almost like some-thing or some-one named they/them six decades ago saw the beginnings of my 80M TV Boomer generation coming of age and said: “we got this for as long as we want to to mold into whatever we want to for the next six decades until the 2030 reset date”, or my Boomer generation onward were so insidiously, psychologically traumatized by the idea of nuclear Armageddon that that 80 M Boomers and their offspring became inherently nihilistic, fatalistic, as if nothing of the past matters going forward and there were more than enough America haters already inside the gates to help make it happen, unless those of wisdom and moral clarity step up to reverse it.
Nah, that didn’t happen, and doctors like doctor Mac are just quacks inside the Matrix.
Maybe 20 years ago I watched men at the gym inject each other with androgens. They scheduled doses in a “stack” to achieve their goals. I asked how they designed this schedule - “the guy at the store” (they explained that steroids were sold for cash and you got free advice).
Maybe a few months later i noticed breasts growing on a few of them. I wanted to tell them they needed anti estrogen but couldn’t risk it due explosive temperament.
Incomplete Masculinization started long before TRT.
And nobody talks about it. Small penis, small testes, infertility. Its caused by the estrogenation of American males.
When the Evil ended the soldier breeding program in America in the '70s, they began introducing estrogenic foods like soy and corn, and synthetic hormones into the meat, poultry and plastics. And infants went from milk-based formula to soy. This overload of estrogenic hormones disrupts the developing reproductive system, so children who grew up on them, as adults will have altered reproductive systems.
Those reproductively altered male children grew up and mated with reproductively altered females and produced offspring that are so reproductively screwed up they don't even know what sex they are.
That's why we call Gender Dysphoria/Transgender the 'Happy Meal Syndrome'.
And that's why now when we need them, our soldier-age males don't know whether to pick up a gun or a bottle of nail polish.
And our older males wonder why they can't get it up.
And they certainly don't want those estrogenated males taking Testosterone.