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Henry Engelking's avatar

Smart is not enough, the President also needs to be courageous and moral.

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Alexander Scipio's avatar

Jesus isn’t on the ballot.

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Charlene Albertson RNC's avatar

Great point but also mix it with discernment as any President is surrounded by advisors who are not necessarily advising for best interest of country.

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Mouzer's avatar

Presidents also need to have the right priorities. I do not expect total honesty: there are matters that are properly kept secret. The problem is using the secrecy to hide more than is appropriate for a functioning republic.

The viruses the global predators keep pushing are lipid-enveloped. https://www.monolaurinandmore.com/articles/monolaurin-rna-enveloped-viruses

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Crixcyon's avatar

Good luck with that. Is total honesty a part of the equation? I doubt it for it is impracticable for any president to be honest with the slaves he commands.

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Mouzer's avatar

US president's don't command slaves. Slaves are self-made. Franklin had it right: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

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warren schaich's avatar

Everone,every where sign the request for a grand jury to investigate the willful misconduct of big Pharma.

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Allie's avatar

Are we not still waiting for a final grand jury report from Florida on Big Pharma. I think some preliminary report was issued last year. I don’t hear anyone talking about it. I’m glad that the KS AG is suing Pfizer for fraud. Still waiting to hear how AG Paxton’s suit in TX against Pfizer for fraud is going. We need more state AGs to step up and do the same.

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Duchess's avatar

It is a racket..and I'd like to see darpa and barda and the nih cdc fda etc all brought to court on racketeering and corruption..the RICO act.

I know most people are unbelieving..but they just finished serial passeging and tinkering with bird flu to make it contagious to mammals and humans and they are rubbing their hands with glee at making another killing...literally and figuratively.

ITB8S TIME WE THE PEOPLE SHUT IT ALL DOWN

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Marice Nelson's avatar

Those agencies need dismantling

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Nomoremarxists's avatar

This blindly unnoticed REVOLVING DOOR in top government so called officials Many of which are HACKS really has to 🛑 stop. So to does this back door payments to FDA personnel involved with approvals. In my line of work we called that type thing BRIBERY. Its bad enough that it happens here and there but when it’s a regular legitimate perk, please😡

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Vivien C Buckley's avatar

Or graft.

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Debra Nolasco's avatar

Someone recently referred to "Gain-of-Function" research as "Gain-of-Lethality". That is what it really needs to be called, for that is precisely what it is - and it's all done intentionally. This needs to stop.

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Pond23's avatar

The word “vaccine” is sounding like nails on a chalkboard.

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Daniel's avatar

There will be much more resistance to any future jab campaign.

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Jen's avatar

I want to think so too. I hope we are right.

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Daniel's avatar

Well, there will be more resistance from me anyway. No more vaccines of any kind and lots of questioning.

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Morag's avatar

Scott Atlas -- I nominate him for head of the President's Medical Review Board.

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James Bryson's avatar

Blanket immunity from criminal and civil liability is A BROKEN CONCEPT. Even a cluster$#%@ of soulless lawyer-congressmen know that. Reverse this ethically-illegitimate legislation NOW.

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Alexander Scipio's avatar

What do the military industrial complex and the pharmaceutical industrial complex have in common?

They both wander the planet looking for targets for their shots.

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Randall Stoehr's avatar

We thought the fictional Novel 1984 was a force that could never take place as an event!

1986 legally Green lighted Covid19 and the New World Order like it was on the Autobahn.

Medical product liability died a silent and horrifying death, by our elected benefactors pen.

The best source of the story line disaster to unfold is Barbara Lowe Fisher.

She witnessed the unfolding with mind blowing dis-belief.

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Senior Moments's avatar

How about we revoke Big Pharma's 1980's vaccine liability dodge? This would put a quick stop to "gain of lethality" experimentation.

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Crixcyon's avatar

Now we see first hand where we are and where we are going. More vaccines and mRNA injections than anyone needs, more and more vaccines for children and still dozens more in development as if to say if we are not getting an injection every month, we are going to die.

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Marice Nelson's avatar

Do you think there is any chance that their initial foray with the souped up virus and the mRNA shots have undermined people’s immune systems to the point they will need a constant top up of these monstrosities to stay alive? That would be both a lot of money and control

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Vincent Cook's avatar

Thanks for calling attention to the Global Virome Project--the cast of villains not only includes the usual suspects involved with funding and tech transfers for supporting the gain-of-function work in Wuhan, but also the key player (Jonna Mazet of UC Davis) who was the principal investigator on this gang's efforts to harvest and isolate dangerous viruses all over the world. Mazet even signed off on the ability of the Wuhan lab to handle animals safely, and was a co-author on the article announcing the original isolation of the bat coronavirus long before the gain-of-function work started on it.

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Jacque's avatar

Excellent info gentlemen!

I'm not getting a death jab vaccine. I'm still trying to get my extended family to stop believing the propaganda from the fed govt regarding the Covid vaccine. Now we'll have another vaccine to fight.

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Doug Cragoe's avatar

Regarding opioids: put yourself in the position of a person with terrible chronic pain. Opioids are the only thing that works to reduce the pain. Should that person have the right to get opioids? Today it has become very difficult for them to get opioids. This is all due to the demonization of these drugs which are addictive. So what do these patients do? They might kill themselves. Or they go on the black market to get heroin or fake opioids that contain fentanyl. Is that a better situation for them? Of course not., but that is today's reality.

The DEA sets quotas for each manufacturer on how many opioids they can produce. The DEA has reduced the quotas for this year, like they have since they started the quotas. So that means there is more demand than supply. Doctors are under pressure to cut off pain patients, after they've been on opioids for a fairly short time. So then they go to the black market.

What is so wrong with a pain patient being addicted to an opioid? They can function and live a more normal life if they get the drug. The problem is pain is a subjective thing. A doctor can't tell who has real pain and who just wants to get hight on an opioid.

This problem did not start with opioids. It started in the last century with drugs like heroin. Pain patients needed drugs like heroin to function. A heroin addict can live a normal life, especially if they can get pure heroin.

I had to get a minor surgery recently. The doctor gave me a list of drugs to get. The local CVS pharmacy had every drug EXCEPT the opioid. It was sold out. It's always sold out at that pharmacy. And the doctor could not even give me a decent opioid prescription. All he could prescribe for me was lousy hydrocodone with a weak 5mg of an opioid while the rest of the pill was a big dose of Tylenol. Years ago I could get a hydrocodone prescription with 10mg of an opioid, which worked much better to reduce pain

Taking opioids away from people who need them just because some people get addicted to opioids while they are only taking them to get high is simply wrong.

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Allie's avatar

I sympathize with you, Doug. Years ago I worked in pain management. I am very aware of how the pendulum has swung regarding the use of opioids to manage chronic pain. There are many people who are in remission from their cancer or other disease that are still left with chronic pain. If a tumor is no longer there, the patient in pain is deemed an addict. But changes have occurred at the molecular level of that patient’s nervous system that allows the pain to continue. The American Pain Society and the American Academy of Pain Management that sponsored some great pain research both went out of business. Some of their leaders were charged with minimizing the potential risks of opioids and turning their patients into addicts. I certainly have witnessed improper prescribing of opioids, such as prescribing 120 Percocets (oxycodone/acetaminophen) following a simple operative procedure where it would be expected that the patient might have severe pain for a day or two, but I have also seen cancer patients with no hope for cure being denied pain relief. There has also been confusion about the terms “addiction” and “dependence.” If I were to give a patient a steroid for a chronic inflammatory condition and then abruptly discontinue that steroid, the person will experience withdrawal symptoms due to physical dependence, but that person is not considered an addict. Likewise, a patient with chronic pain on an opioid, needs to have that opioid tapered slowly to discontinue it. What I am saying is not to discount the risk of addiction to opioids when, initially, prescribed for legitimate therapeutic reasons, but to acknowledge that they still have a place in pain management.

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Doug Cragoe's avatar

I found the pain group I temporarily lost. Here's their post on how the DEA has greatly reduced opioids production. A pain patient asks this: why have overdoses gone up while the production of opioids has gone down?

https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2023/12/29/dea-orders-more-cuts-in-rx-opioid-supply-in-2024?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0amhwjeLEzPijuxgo0xehaD8s8Mj6QljpiOd60v7rcU5362knG_e_RSiE_aem_I1zjSNJPzbpMG4KUaoBovg

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Doug Cragoe's avatar

Thanks for your comment and information. Unfortunately I lost the link to the pain patient advocacy organization where I learned the DEA has quotas on opioid productions leading to a chronic, now years long shortages of these drugs. However, I did find there is another group called the The U.S. Pain Foundation that serves patients. NPR did a good interview with a pain patient in 2022 who suffered with pain due to not getting opioids. https://www.npr.org/2022/04/04/1090919988/pain-patients-and-doctors-worry-the-cdcs-new-opioid-guidelines-may-be-damaging

Why should a chronic pain patient need to have their opioid tapered off? If their pain continues, what are they supposed to do without the opioid they used to rely on?

Surprised to learn that leaders of some pain organizations were charged with minimizing the risks of opioids and turning their patients into addicts. Were they prosecuted? Did they go to prison?

What is the difference between addiction and dependence? Seems like if you use an opioid for a long enough period of time you will get addicted. But what is so bad about addiction if it allows you to live a more normal life and not kill yourself? Heroin addicts can live a very long time with fairly normal lives, especially if they know the concentration of the heroin so they don't overdose and it's pure enough. Many heroin addicts who only use for the high survive for decades buying black market heroin which has unknown concentrations and unknown potentially bad additives. Their problems tend to come from getting enough money to buy the heroin. Are opioids more dangerous than heroin?

Seems to me legitimate pain patients are not taking opioids or heroin to get high and take just enough to reduce their pain. So don't they have much less risk of overdose than those who use just for the high? Now we have government workers carrying Naxalone to recover overdosed opioid users. When the addicts are brought back from death sometimes they don't like it, saying you ruined my high.

Fentanyl is a legal drug used to prescribe pain. It's also on the black market. But the problem again is the unknown dose a person gets from the black market supply. The U.S. drug policies adopted to try and stop addiction have led to a big increase in the black market for these drugs.

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Allie's avatar

Doug,

The International Association for the Study of Pain (2019) defined addiction as

“Addiction is a treatable, chronic medical disease involving complex interactions among brain circuits, genetics, the environment, and an individual’s life experiences. People with addiction use substances or engage in behaviors that become compulsive and often continue despite harmful consequences.

Prevention efforts and treatment approaches for addiction are generally as successful as those for other chronic diseases.”

See the attached link to an article from Mayo Clinic Proceedings that gives a good history of the use of opioids to treat pain and associated controversies. This article defines opioid dependence:

“Continuous opioid exposure results in tolerance to opioid effects and opioid dependence. Opioid dependence produces withdrawal symptoms when opioids are withdrawn but is strongly distinguished in current diagnostic systems from opioid use disorder and opioid addiction. Physical dependence is seen as an inevitable result of continuous opioid exposure for analgesia, while addiction is not.”

SPECIAL ARTICLE| VOLUME 98, ISSUE 8, P1216-1224, AUGUST 2023

Questioning the Right to Pain Relief and Its Role in the Opioid Epidemic

Mark D. Sullivan, MD, PhD 

Jane C. Ballantyne, MD, FRCA 
Published:July 07, 2023DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/j.mayocp.2023.03.008

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Doug Cragoe's avatar

From the conclusion of the article you linked: "The assertion of a right to relief implies that the need for relief is urgent and that patients cannot participate in providing that relief for themselves." Patients can provide relief for themselves by going to the black market, contributing to organized crime, and buy their pain medicine there with considerable risk because it's not pharmaceutical grade medicine.

"...but chronic pain does not call for a short-term solution, nor for a right to a treatment that is more likely to manifest serious risks when taken over the long term."

So what are the serious risks when taken over the long term?

It sounds like if somebody takes these drugs to get high, then they can become addicted. If they take these drugs only for pain relief, then they do not become addicted, but only become "dependent." Same thing.

I don't agree with the drug addiction is a disease idea. Here's a discussion about it:https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/is-drug-addiction-a-disease

In Afghanistan they simply put drug addicts in prison. I suspect there are no avialble narcotics in those prisons, unlike U.S. prisons. Does that cure them of their addiction in Afganistan? Maybe not, but they do get clean for a long period of time. If they have enough willpower and desire they can stay clean, just like many Americans who were former addicts.

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Allie's avatar

The main difference between addiction and dependence is addiction is a compulsion in spite of harm, whereas dependence is demonstrated by physical withdrawal symptoms like diarrhea, vomiting, runny nose, watery eyes, restlessness, anxiety, goosebumps and yawning.

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Doug Cragoe's avatar

Thanks for your reply. Yes, addicts have compulsion. They are willing to take the risks of potential harm to get the high. When forced to stop using they also suffer physical withdrawal symptoms, just like pain patients. So addicts also have dependence.

One solution is to make narcotics legal or semi-legal. That did not work out too well in Portland. Addicts moved to Portland. The streets are full of campers and crime. Now voters are trying to bring back the old system of jail time for drug crimes.

Semi-legalization may have worked in Portugal, but that's due to circumstances way different than the U.S.

In Thailand they made weed legal just a few years ago. but that has led to problems and the possibility they may make it illegal again.

In the U.S. heroin and cocaine were once legal drugs. But when so many people got addicted congress made them illegal outside of legitimate medical use about 100 years ago.

I think it would be best to make addictive narcotic drugs legal, but they can only be used at a medical clinic and the addicts using to get high have to be registered. They can't take the drugs home and sell them.

For legitimate pain patients maybe there can be some leeway. They should also be registered and can only get the drugs from one doctor. They need to be tested to make sure they are using them and not selling them. Of course, separating out the legitimate pain patients from the addicts just who want to get high is the hard part.

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Marice Nelson's avatar

You can buy unwashed poppy seeds from uk. Not illegal to do so

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Doug Cragoe's avatar

So what? Are you saying those are like opioids? Those give pain relief?

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Marice Nelson's avatar

Yes, read you can make a tea from it but you would want to read about the concentration

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Mythos's avatar

You make some good points. If you haven’t seen the tv series “Painkiller”, I would highly recommend it.

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