Absolutely correct, John. Few realize that NATO is a retirement home for high-ranking military men. When the Warsaw Pact was abolished and the Soviet Union dissolved, NATO had no enemies left. To keep its relevance and the paychecks NATO paid out, it needed to find new enemies. Therefore, NATO expanded and continued the propaganda that Russia is still the Soviet Union. Now NATO is even expanding into Africa.
The politicians and unelected Neocons worldwide do not want peace; they will stop any peace deal at any cost. Ukraine and Russia had a deal called the Minsk agreement; however, Western actors told their puppet Zelensky not to honor it. All that had to happen for peace was to let a small area of Ukraine vote for who they wanted to be part of; these people were Russian speakers. No peace was allowed; that would stop the money machine of war and the paychecks from NATO
The greater picture is that America, the beacon of hope and prosperity has become, as a whole, wicked and as a whole, turned our back on the one true living God. The world can not help but do, just what the word of Almighty God says it will do. He will allow the world to ultimately destroy itself. Hold fast to Christ and do not live in fear. Show Christ's love... Very exciting times we are in
Col Doug Macgregor was assigned to NATO headquarters during the bombing campaign against the Serbs and said one of the 4-stars he worked with, a German named Streichman, was practically in tears the night NATO bombed Belgrade because it was the anniversary of the day Nazi Germany had bombed Belgrade in 1941: "Everyone on the European side had the view that NATO existed to ensure there would be no future wars in Europe and now here he was part of an alliance that was deliberately starting one."
just so we are clear, the f#kers running this administration, the deep state bureaucracy and the same in europe dont give a shit about you or your children.
they dont care how many of us are killed or maimed in these useless endless wars that make them richer and keep us going at tax serfs.
I also note that many of them are draft dodging fukers and you will never find their children anywhere near the front lines.
You are absolutely right about not finding the fuckers children anywhere near the front line, maybe refuse to fight unless we see these children at the front.
Do you listen to Promethean Action? They would argue that this proxy war against Russia is directed, not by the U.S., but by the British empire and the E.U. (and you can include Canada in that). Barbara Boyd says the UK has long driven the Ukraine conflict and that Trump has sought peace while Britain and Europe resist, relying on war production amid failing economies. Of course there are American players who want continued war as well, but the current D.C. administration is not who is behind this proxy war.
I think Promethean Action is still under the illusion that a bumbling and insulting president— certainly no gentleman— is somehow the savior of the free world.
At least you admit having TDS. Next step is professional help. When you think other people don't see evidence, that's part of the TDS affliction. Get help and then continue your thread...
There is a book called The War Against Humanity by Anonymous Patriot which proves this. Most of humanity thinks Satan is a myth, and the devil has worked hard to promulgate this lie. The reality is that Satan has worked diligently to control the American principality since WWII. What was once a Republic founded on Christian principles has become Sodom controlled by degenerate, Evil oligarchs. You cannot vote your way out of this predicament. The book shows the only path for the return of our blessed Republic is with divine assistance, just like the Babylonian Exile for the ancient Israelites. When enough of our country realizes this and turns to God, the evil and wicked among us will be destroyed by God. Pray, imitate Christ and reform your sphere of influence based on Christian principles.
The True Divine God does not genocide and destroy - that is the False "God" the Demiurge who is prevalent through most of the Old Testament, Torah and Talmud.
As a Canadian I am disgusted that our current government is sending billions of our dollars to these corrupted leaders in the Ukraine to kill Russian Civilians. The EU are globalists in which our government and the Biden Government are and were part of it. See the latest Shaun Ryan episode on you tube with a high ranking Delta force member for what has "actually" been going on there. Not the propaganda nonsense seen on the main stream outlets.
I'll never understand why they have to poke the bear. When the USSR fell, the Russians just wanted to join the party and be one of the guys. Instead we had to try and rob the place.
I couldn't put it better. People lack depth of historical knowledge and believe the propaganda that always makes out the other side as totally malicious and destructive. People have no sense of the total global destruction that would result from nuclear war. What we need is an online movie based on "Nuclear War: A Scenario" by Annie Jacobsen.
Referring to Russia’s actions in 2022 simply as an “invasion” is somewhat misleading. Russia was responding to Jewish President Zelenskyy publicly stating that he intended for Ukraine to join NATO, despite Russia having repeatedly made clear that it considered NATO expansion into Ukraine an unacceptable security threat, a concern that had already been reinforced during the 2014 Crimea/Donbas conflict.
Nearly 50 illegal biological weapons laboratories were discovered in Ukraine near the Russian border, creating another potential level of security concern for Russia. The final catalyst, in my view, was the prolonged conflict in the Donbas and the killing of ethnic Russians by Ukrainian forces. Zelenskyy employed Ukrainian militance, many from Poland and Romania, who branding the SS logo, murdered, ethnically Russian people in the Donbas region right up until the very end, forcing Russia’s hand!
Yes, this war benefits the United States because it weakens Russia and strengthens the U.S. strategic position in Europe through greater dependence on NATO. However, expanding the U.S. weapons industry does nothing for ordinary American citizens; it primarily benefits weapons manufacturers and defense contractors who profit enormously from war and the resulting loss of civilian life.
Leaving out the circumstances that provoked Russia is, at best, disingenuous. I mean, they literally poked the proverbial bear.
Being of Ukrainian descent myself, the last thing I want is to see Ukrainians dying unnecessarily in a war they cannot win while our leaders launder billions upon billions of our tax dollars (now owed with interest) into Ukraine’s so-called war effort. The human cost is devastating, with estimates suggesting 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed. These were some of the strongest and most masculine men in Ukraine.
The question now becomes: Who will raise their children?
Will it be the same state-controlled media that helped sell this war to the public and continues to support its prolongation? The very state television that is controlled by Jews.
If you think Ukraine has problems now come back in 20 years when those children have grown up without masculine fathers and raised on Jewish propaganda!
But you really need to discuss what Israel is doing in Ukraine today because that is the ultimate benefactor. Yes it is a proxy war where Zionist controlled US politicians instructed Jewish president Zelenskyy NOT to sign the MINSK accord that he campaigned on! And of course, he said yes bosses, now let me know when you can send those billions so my wife can buy a Bugatti while Ukrainian people who I am not, suffer and die. Nothing really benefits the United States anymore, it serves Israel and it allows. US politicians that are blackmailed through the Epstein Island videos held by Mossad to keep their videos off-line. Our country is captured whether they are bribed by AIPAC or simply afraid to speak up, no one is calling this for what it is a US proxy war on behalf of Israel, where Slavic men are dying, and the Israeli war machine is the benefactor.
The "satanic entity" is behaving exactly as we should expect and it will continue to do so because it is composed of mentally diseased individuals (sociopaths, psychopaths, etc.). They are pathologically manipulative, deceitful, power lusting and they lack any sense of empathy or remorse. Once this horrific reality is understood DC's witnessed behavior, along with cohorts UK/EU, is no longer surprising. And yes, they are perfectly capable of forcing the world into WWIII against every sane person's will. They desire war because they believe it will increase their power. How many times through human history have we seen such behavior, thus endless warfare?
There always have been and always will be mentally disturbed individuals who eventually insinuate their way into positions of power since they are highly motivated due to their sick compulsion to control everyone and everything all the time.
Trump is clearly just an obtuse fool who is getting played by those monsters. Keep in mind he was completely bamboozled by a transparent sociopath like Fauci.
you'd better hope that there are men like Petrov in the USA. we're the ones who are driving the escalation. Putin has shown incredible restraint. it's funny that we in the US are told constantly that he is an "evil dictator" with designs on "re-establishing the Russian Empire." yet, we are the ones who keep poking the bear and relying on his caution to keep us all alive! the man has to be the wisest leader in power right now while we in the West are led by blood thirsty morons. at least Lindsay Graham was taken out. I like to think that some divine force corrected the error that the people of SC made in continuing to vote for that fiend. I hope he's rotting in the Hell he so richly deserves.
Killary Clinton, however, makes the mistake of thinking that Russia is still the "gas station masquerading as a country" that it was in 1980. our friends, a married couple of Russian classical musicians, have been visiting their families in Russia (the wife is one of the ethnic Russians born in the Donbas region that Zelensky was trying to wipe out under US orders). the country is beautiful and rich with deep family and religious values. the trains are gorgeous and clean! there are gardens everywhere and historic buildings are maintained to a fare thee well. the country has easily navigated around our absurd sanctions and is enjoying economic growth without debt.
the problem with the USA is that it can't deal with any other countries doing well. all it wants is to destroy everything that is good so that It can be the only "nice" country on the planet. I am hoping that Iran kicks us in the ass and I pray for Cuba. why can't we just leave other countries alone? we've used our petro dollar status as a battering ram and taken it for granted. I recently heard a Chinese diplomate say that China doesn't think any country should have the reserve currency; that having that status warps the thinking of the people at the helm. I can only agree.
our cities are crumbling but we just keep making war on anybody and everybody in a futile attempt to hold on to our hegemony. all Empires fail and I hope that we're about to before we cause any more pain and suffering. we need to be paying off our debt and getting along with others. when we do collapse, I'm afraid that we've made ourselves so hated that we can hardly expect the rest of the world to behave kindly towards us.
and yes John, it's true. Ukraine is about to start drafting women. it's being billed as "empowerment"- women can bleed out just as men do. this is an extinction level event for Ukraine, but the US doesn't care. we just want to cut Russia up into little pieces, get a bunch of civil wars going, destroy it's culture (since we have none) snd loot it's resources to pay off our debt.no country interested in having a future sends it's women off to war.
the USA doesn't care about it's future either. it poisons the food supply and keeps injecting healthy children with an ever increasing number of toxic vaccines which it protects from liability. it uses it's citizens as markets for rapacious corporations and keeps it's citizens fat, sick and miserable. a sane country doesn't behave in this manner.
In 1991 as the USSR was collapsing, the Russian government said “ we will not stand in the way of German reunification if NATO will not expand to the east” and then U.S. president George H.W.Bush said “ we will not expand NATO one inch to the east”. Bush lost the 1992 election and look At NATO expansion by every American president since.
Initially in 1990 James Baker promised Russia NATO would Not expand.
“We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations (in 1991) – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.
“NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added.
A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”
“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe [sic],” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”
The minutes later clarified he was referring to the Oder River, the boundary between East Germany and Poland. Hrobog further noted that West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher had agreed with this position as well.
The document was found in the UK National Archives by Joshua Shifrinson, a political science professor at Boston University in the US. It had been marked “Secret” but was declassified at some point.
Shifrinson tweeted on Friday he was “honored” to work with Der Spiegel on the document showing that “Western diplomats believed they had indeed made a NATO non-enlargement pledge.”
As it reads in the German Archives
MY 4 IPTS: QUADRIPARTITE MEETING OF POLITICAL DIRECTORS, BONN,
MARCH: SECURITY IN CENTRAL AND EASTERN EUROPE
SUMMARY
1.
UK CIRCULATES PROMISED PAPER ON SECURITY IN CENTRAL AND
EASTERN EUROPE. GENERAL A AGREEMENT THAT MEMBERSHIP OF NATO AND
SECURITY GUARANTEES UNACCEPTABLE. AGREEMENT TO CONSIDER
STATEMENT BY SPRING NAC INDICATING NATO'S INTEREST IN SECURITY
AND STABILITY IN EASTERN EUROPE. THICKENING OF BILATERAL
RELATIONS AND NATO/EAST EUROPEAN CONTACTS.
DETAIL
2. CHROBOG (GERMANY) SAID WE NEEDED NEW IDEAS ON HOW TO PROVIDE
FOR THE SECURITY OF CENTRAL AND EAST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
WE HAD
MADE IT CLEAR DURING THE 2+4 NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE WOULD NOT
EXTEND NATO BEYOND THE ELBE (SIC). WE COULD NOT THEREFORE OFFER
MEMBERSHIP OF NATO TO POLAND AND THE OTHERS.
WE MIGHT HOWEVER
CONSIDER REFERRING TO OUR INTEREST IN THESE COUNTRIES IN FUTURE
NATO DECLARATIONS. FURTHER STEPS COULD BE TAKEN IN THE CSCE AND
THE "Dust" and isotopes will reveal so.much as will where the cash went and why... people who talk about proxy wars should realize the it's are over. But most have so much derangement and cognitive dissonance, they won't be able to get their minds past any of this.
Thank you, John. I am forwarding this to many people, some of them subscribers to the nyt and other propaganda outlets, with the hope that they wake up. It's truly unfortunate that we are where we are today after electing a president who promised no new war and the end of that one.
Absolutely correct, John. Few realize that NATO is a retirement home for high-ranking military men. When the Warsaw Pact was abolished and the Soviet Union dissolved, NATO had no enemies left. To keep its relevance and the paychecks NATO paid out, it needed to find new enemies. Therefore, NATO expanded and continued the propaganda that Russia is still the Soviet Union. Now NATO is even expanding into Africa.
The politicians and unelected Neocons worldwide do not want peace; they will stop any peace deal at any cost. Ukraine and Russia had a deal called the Minsk agreement; however, Western actors told their puppet Zelensky not to honor it. All that had to happen for peace was to let a small area of Ukraine vote for who they wanted to be part of; these people were Russian speakers. No peace was allowed; that would stop the money machine of war and the paychecks from NATO
The greater picture is that America, the beacon of hope and prosperity has become, as a whole, wicked and as a whole, turned our back on the one true living God. The world can not help but do, just what the word of Almighty God says it will do. He will allow the world to ultimately destroy itself. Hold fast to Christ and do not live in fear. Show Christ's love... Very exciting times we are in
Col Doug Macgregor was assigned to NATO headquarters during the bombing campaign against the Serbs and said one of the 4-stars he worked with, a German named Streichman, was practically in tears the night NATO bombed Belgrade because it was the anniversary of the day Nazi Germany had bombed Belgrade in 1941: "Everyone on the European side had the view that NATO existed to ensure there would be no future wars in Europe and now here he was part of an alliance that was deliberately starting one."
I did a summary of this very interesting podcast (What really happened in Yugoslavia) here for anyone who's interested, what NATO did was utterly shameful: https://old.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/1w2lzdc/douglas_macgregor_david_gibbs_what_really/
just so we are clear, the f#kers running this administration, the deep state bureaucracy and the same in europe dont give a shit about you or your children.
they dont care how many of us are killed or maimed in these useless endless wars that make them richer and keep us going at tax serfs.
I also note that many of them are draft dodging fukers and you will never find their children anywhere near the front lines.
just so we are clear
JAS
USMC 1969-1972
You are absolutely right about not finding the fuckers children anywhere near the front line, maybe refuse to fight unless we see these children at the front.
Thank you -- and keep at it! The American people need to wake up to what this ill-conceived proxy war is really about.
Do you listen to Promethean Action? They would argue that this proxy war against Russia is directed, not by the U.S., but by the British empire and the E.U. (and you can include Canada in that). Barbara Boyd says the UK has long driven the Ukraine conflict and that Trump has sought peace while Britain and Europe resist, relying on war production amid failing economies. Of course there are American players who want continued war as well, but the current D.C. administration is not who is behind this proxy war.
I think Promethean Action is still under the illusion that a bumbling and insulting president— certainly no gentleman— is somehow the savior of the free world.
Your TDS and dress is showing...lol
TDS can run the other way too, when people refuse to see evidence that’s right in front of them.
At least you admit having TDS. Next step is professional help. When you think other people don't see evidence, that's part of the TDS affliction. Get help and then continue your thread...
And who has been controlling the UK since after Waterloo?
The City of London/The Bank of England
I fully agree with you John! Satanists run the show with their Blackmailed and Bribed minions and agents.
There is a book called The War Against Humanity by Anonymous Patriot which proves this. Most of humanity thinks Satan is a myth, and the devil has worked hard to promulgate this lie. The reality is that Satan has worked diligently to control the American principality since WWII. What was once a Republic founded on Christian principles has become Sodom controlled by degenerate, Evil oligarchs. You cannot vote your way out of this predicament. The book shows the only path for the return of our blessed Republic is with divine assistance, just like the Babylonian Exile for the ancient Israelites. When enough of our country realizes this and turns to God, the evil and wicked among us will be destroyed by God. Pray, imitate Christ and reform your sphere of influence based on Christian principles.
The True Divine God does not genocide and destroy - that is the False "God" the Demiurge who is prevalent through most of the Old Testament, Torah and Talmud.
As a Canadian I am disgusted that our current government is sending billions of our dollars to these corrupted leaders in the Ukraine to kill Russian Civilians. The EU are globalists in which our government and the Biden Government are and were part of it. See the latest Shaun Ryan episode on you tube with a high ranking Delta force member for what has "actually" been going on there. Not the propaganda nonsense seen on the main stream outlets.
true
they are intentionally running toward destruction so they can "reimagine" all the nations and "build back better" as a one world one govt run by them
not one thought of the millons who will die in the process
They do think of the the millions who will die--as a benefit, not a cost.
"Loosh" production...fodder for the demons & satanic gods that they worship.
I'll never understand why they have to poke the bear. When the USSR fell, the Russians just wanted to join the party and be one of the guys. Instead we had to try and rob the place.
Gotta ensure that the Military Industrial Complex has a reason to exist.
I couldn't put it better. People lack depth of historical knowledge and believe the propaganda that always makes out the other side as totally malicious and destructive. People have no sense of the total global destruction that would result from nuclear war. What we need is an online movie based on "Nuclear War: A Scenario" by Annie Jacobsen.
Not a US war. It's an EU war,directed by Chatham house.
Chatham House is merely a tool. The Rothschild family marches to the tune of Jacob Frank and the followers of Zabatai Zevi.
I would say More like a tool to imperial Britain and the crown.
Irs good to see we are all listening to Promethean Action!
Referring to Russia’s actions in 2022 simply as an “invasion” is somewhat misleading. Russia was responding to Jewish President Zelenskyy publicly stating that he intended for Ukraine to join NATO, despite Russia having repeatedly made clear that it considered NATO expansion into Ukraine an unacceptable security threat, a concern that had already been reinforced during the 2014 Crimea/Donbas conflict.
Nearly 50 illegal biological weapons laboratories were discovered in Ukraine near the Russian border, creating another potential level of security concern for Russia. The final catalyst, in my view, was the prolonged conflict in the Donbas and the killing of ethnic Russians by Ukrainian forces. Zelenskyy employed Ukrainian militance, many from Poland and Romania, who branding the SS logo, murdered, ethnically Russian people in the Donbas region right up until the very end, forcing Russia’s hand!
Yes, this war benefits the United States because it weakens Russia and strengthens the U.S. strategic position in Europe through greater dependence on NATO. However, expanding the U.S. weapons industry does nothing for ordinary American citizens; it primarily benefits weapons manufacturers and defense contractors who profit enormously from war and the resulting loss of civilian life.
Leaving out the circumstances that provoked Russia is, at best, disingenuous. I mean, they literally poked the proverbial bear.
Being of Ukrainian descent myself, the last thing I want is to see Ukrainians dying unnecessarily in a war they cannot win while our leaders launder billions upon billions of our tax dollars (now owed with interest) into Ukraine’s so-called war effort. The human cost is devastating, with estimates suggesting 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed. These were some of the strongest and most masculine men in Ukraine.
The question now becomes: Who will raise their children?
Will it be the same state-controlled media that helped sell this war to the public and continues to support its prolongation? The very state television that is controlled by Jews.
If you think Ukraine has problems now come back in 20 years when those children have grown up without masculine fathers and raised on Jewish propaganda!
But you really need to discuss what Israel is doing in Ukraine today because that is the ultimate benefactor. Yes it is a proxy war where Zionist controlled US politicians instructed Jewish president Zelenskyy NOT to sign the MINSK accord that he campaigned on! And of course, he said yes bosses, now let me know when you can send those billions so my wife can buy a Bugatti while Ukrainian people who I am not, suffer and die. Nothing really benefits the United States anymore, it serves Israel and it allows. US politicians that are blackmailed through the Epstein Island videos held by Mossad to keep their videos off-line. Our country is captured whether they are bribed by AIPAC or simply afraid to speak up, no one is calling this for what it is a US proxy war on behalf of Israel, where Slavic men are dying, and the Israeli war machine is the benefactor.
https://ukraine.un.org/en/168060-conflict-related-civilian-casualties-ukraine
The "satanic entity" is behaving exactly as we should expect and it will continue to do so because it is composed of mentally diseased individuals (sociopaths, psychopaths, etc.). They are pathologically manipulative, deceitful, power lusting and they lack any sense of empathy or remorse. Once this horrific reality is understood DC's witnessed behavior, along with cohorts UK/EU, is no longer surprising. And yes, they are perfectly capable of forcing the world into WWIII against every sane person's will. They desire war because they believe it will increase their power. How many times through human history have we seen such behavior, thus endless warfare?
There always have been and always will be mentally disturbed individuals who eventually insinuate their way into positions of power since they are highly motivated due to their sick compulsion to control everyone and everything all the time.
Trump is clearly just an obtuse fool who is getting played by those monsters. Keep in mind he was completely bamboozled by a transparent sociopath like Fauci.
Foot soldiers/useful idiots for organized international Jewry. Every "Western nation" has a ZOG, a Zionist Occupied Government.
you'd better hope that there are men like Petrov in the USA. we're the ones who are driving the escalation. Putin has shown incredible restraint. it's funny that we in the US are told constantly that he is an "evil dictator" with designs on "re-establishing the Russian Empire." yet, we are the ones who keep poking the bear and relying on his caution to keep us all alive! the man has to be the wisest leader in power right now while we in the West are led by blood thirsty morons. at least Lindsay Graham was taken out. I like to think that some divine force corrected the error that the people of SC made in continuing to vote for that fiend. I hope he's rotting in the Hell he so richly deserves.
Killary Clinton, however, makes the mistake of thinking that Russia is still the "gas station masquerading as a country" that it was in 1980. our friends, a married couple of Russian classical musicians, have been visiting their families in Russia (the wife is one of the ethnic Russians born in the Donbas region that Zelensky was trying to wipe out under US orders). the country is beautiful and rich with deep family and religious values. the trains are gorgeous and clean! there are gardens everywhere and historic buildings are maintained to a fare thee well. the country has easily navigated around our absurd sanctions and is enjoying economic growth without debt.
the problem with the USA is that it can't deal with any other countries doing well. all it wants is to destroy everything that is good so that It can be the only "nice" country on the planet. I am hoping that Iran kicks us in the ass and I pray for Cuba. why can't we just leave other countries alone? we've used our petro dollar status as a battering ram and taken it for granted. I recently heard a Chinese diplomate say that China doesn't think any country should have the reserve currency; that having that status warps the thinking of the people at the helm. I can only agree.
our cities are crumbling but we just keep making war on anybody and everybody in a futile attempt to hold on to our hegemony. all Empires fail and I hope that we're about to before we cause any more pain and suffering. we need to be paying off our debt and getting along with others. when we do collapse, I'm afraid that we've made ourselves so hated that we can hardly expect the rest of the world to behave kindly towards us.
and yes John, it's true. Ukraine is about to start drafting women. it's being billed as "empowerment"- women can bleed out just as men do. this is an extinction level event for Ukraine, but the US doesn't care. we just want to cut Russia up into little pieces, get a bunch of civil wars going, destroy it's culture (since we have none) snd loot it's resources to pay off our debt.no country interested in having a future sends it's women off to war.
the USA doesn't care about it's future either. it poisons the food supply and keeps injecting healthy children with an ever increasing number of toxic vaccines which it protects from liability. it uses it's citizens as markets for rapacious corporations and keeps it's citizens fat, sick and miserable. a sane country doesn't behave in this manner.
In 1991 as the USSR was collapsing, the Russian government said “ we will not stand in the way of German reunification if NATO will not expand to the east” and then U.S. president George H.W.Bush said “ we will not expand NATO one inch to the east”. Bush lost the 1992 election and look At NATO expansion by every American president since.
Initially in 1990 James Baker promised Russia NATO would Not expand.
“We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations (in 1991) – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.
“NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added.
A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”
“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe [sic],” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”
The minutes later clarified he was referring to the Oder River, the boundary between East Germany and Poland. Hrobog further noted that West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher had agreed with this position as well.
The document was found in the UK National Archives by Joshua Shifrinson, a political science professor at Boston University in the US. It had been marked “Secret” but was declassified at some point.
Shifrinson tweeted on Friday he was “honored” to work with Der Spiegel on the document showing that “Western diplomats believed they had indeed made a NATO non-enlargement pledge.”
As it reads in the German Archives
MY 4 IPTS: QUADRIPARTITE MEETING OF POLITICAL DIRECTORS, BONN,
MARCH: SECURITY IN CENTRAL AND EASTERN EUROPE
SUMMARY
1.
UK CIRCULATES PROMISED PAPER ON SECURITY IN CENTRAL AND
EASTERN EUROPE. GENERAL A AGREEMENT THAT MEMBERSHIP OF NATO AND
SECURITY GUARANTEES UNACCEPTABLE. AGREEMENT TO CONSIDER
STATEMENT BY SPRING NAC INDICATING NATO'S INTEREST IN SECURITY
AND STABILITY IN EASTERN EUROPE. THICKENING OF BILATERAL
RELATIONS AND NATO/EAST EUROPEAN CONTACTS.
DETAIL
2. CHROBOG (GERMANY) SAID WE NEEDED NEW IDEAS ON HOW TO PROVIDE
FOR THE SECURITY OF CENTRAL AND EAST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
WE HAD
MADE IT CLEAR DURING THE 2+4 NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE WOULD NOT
EXTEND NATO BEYOND THE ELBE (SIC). WE COULD NOT THEREFORE OFFER
MEMBERSHIP OF NATO TO POLAND AND THE OTHERS.
WE MIGHT HOWEVER
CONSIDER REFERRING TO OUR INTEREST IN THESE COUNTRIES IN FUTURE
NATO DECLARATIONS. FURTHER STEPS COULD BE TAKEN IN THE CSCE AND
THROUGH BILATERAL AGREEMENTS.
As to Hillary. 20% of our Uranium went to Russia and Willy had a big payday plus a 500K speech in Russia. Evil and corrupt.
THE "Dust" and isotopes will reveal so.much as will where the cash went and why... people who talk about proxy wars should realize the it's are over. But most have so much derangement and cognitive dissonance, they won't be able to get their minds past any of this.
99 Luftballons (besser auf Deutsch) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpu5a0Bl8eY
Thank you, John. I am forwarding this to many people, some of them subscribers to the nyt and other propaganda outlets, with the hope that they wake up. It's truly unfortunate that we are where we are today after electing a president who promised no new war and the end of that one.