Who knows, but it actually makes more sense that they would make it up since that would undermine Cabello with Venezuelans. Presumably they wouldn't want to do that if he was cooperating to further their aims - not that I credit them with the intelligence to see that far ahead.
So there’s three possibilities. Number 1: it really happened. Number 2; the media made it up or Number 3: Americans leaked a false rumor to discredit him.
Does the media do anything without marching orders from someone in a position of power, would they just make something up? Doesn't seem like it to me though I could be wrong.
Transparency, John Leake, is important to the people in Venezuela as well as us. Admitting the collaboration of Cabello with America now, rather than having it discovered later, is a wise move, especially since folks are now benefitting from the regime change, and Trump cannot be accused of the HRC type of regime changes that cause chaos and ensuing terrorism against the West and even worse abuses of the citizens of Venezuela, had Maduro stayed in power. I would stay with the opinion of "a skilled move", my friend, and rest assured.
Well, what is Diosdado Cabello (or the Venezuelan people, for that matter) going to do when the U.S. announces that whatever oil they produce, and its revenue, belongs to wronged U.S. oil companies and not them?
That is not going to be the case. Trump already addressed that. However, they are due payback for what they had invested in VZ before everything was nationalized (stolen) under Chavez.
If a powerful member of the establishment aided the event, then it gives Trump the inside advantage and undercuts the left narrative of swashbuckling. It also lends credit to the natives for arranging for their own destiny with a strategic foreign alliance. Where has that happened in history?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Maduro didn’t successfully execute an El Chapo Guzman type escape from wherever he ends up, assuming he is convicted and sentenced to a long prison term, which isn’t guaranteed by any means. But if that occurs I personally don’t expect him to stay behind bars for long. We know that just about everyone can be bought, including prison officials and guards. Who knows, there could even be a fake suicide complete with deep fake photos of the deed. There’s lots of options in a corrupt world if you have money and a few competent friends on the outside. Maduro surely would have planned for an event like what occurred(if he is smart), much like Guzman did. Guzman escaped from a Mexican prison through a mile long tunnel that went right to his shower stall. How’s that for an inside/outside plan? The trip wires for such a plan had to have been in place before his capture. I expect nothing less from Maduro, and the fact that he may be in a US prison instead of a Mexican one doesn’t change the calculus one bit in my estimation.
Sounds like you don't buy the Jack Kruse report from society guard of twenty invincible Trumpoid bipeds with EMP weapons against hundreds of Maduro security; a sonic boom like their heads were going to explode / instant nose bleed / didn't stand a chance against futuristic weaponry.
Does this maneuvering serve as a distraction for the capture of other Venezuelan resources such as rare minerals? I am asking because I don’t know. This situation is so murky.
Unless they are running psyop because they truly fear him … time will tell and I’m sure if he is a Judas he will be dealt with accordingly… deservedly so, albeit it’s likely he would not have ceded Maduro on his own to the U.S doubtless it was a political decision and one that might even had included Maduro himself.. I guess we will never know … there but for the greater good goes…..the old maxim, perhaps that’s how it played… just saying
The Venezuelan oil industry was nationalized over several years. They did it legally. Nothing was stolen. The real steal was when Paul Singer bought $21 billion of Venezuela’s debt for a few million, gave a few million more to Trump’s campaign, and then talked Trump into taking Venezuela, so he could get the whole $21 billion. There’s nothing actually hidden here. Listening to and reading the MSM is not looking for the truth.
Just because Diosdado Cabello and Delcy Rodriquez were in back channel talks with US officials doesn't mean they came to any agreements. Adversaries talk all the time in an attempt to open lines of communication and this often results only in each knowing the other's position which they still oppose....
Always got wonder about those "multiple sources familiar with the matter."
It is The NY Times afterall. They are known to just make shit up!
Reuters
OK Same deal!
Who knows, but it actually makes more sense that they would make it up since that would undermine Cabello with Venezuelans. Presumably they wouldn't want to do that if he was cooperating to further their aims - not that I credit them with the intelligence to see that far ahead.
So there’s three possibilities. Number 1: it really happened. Number 2; the media made it up or Number 3: Americans leaked a false rumor to discredit him.
i’m still going with number two!
Does the media do anything without marching orders from someone in a position of power, would they just make something up? Doesn't seem like it to me though I could be wrong.
Sure. They take orders from the Deep State or the leaders of the Democrat party. What I meant was, there could be no truth in the story!
3 sounds possible and useful.
Transparency, John Leake, is important to the people in Venezuela as well as us. Admitting the collaboration of Cabello with America now, rather than having it discovered later, is a wise move, especially since folks are now benefitting from the regime change, and Trump cannot be accused of the HRC type of regime changes that cause chaos and ensuing terrorism against the West and even worse abuses of the citizens of Venezuela, had Maduro stayed in power. I would stay with the opinion of "a skilled move", my friend, and rest assured.
Well, what is Diosdado Cabello (or the Venezuelan people, for that matter) going to do when the U.S. announces that whatever oil they produce, and its revenue, belongs to wronged U.S. oil companies and not them?
That is not going to be the case. Trump already addressed that. However, they are due payback for what they had invested in VZ before everything was nationalized (stolen) under Chavez.
Had you heard that ANY oil being produced is being allowed to be exported?
They do not want to destabilize (ala Iraq) the government or the society.
If a powerful member of the establishment aided the event, then it gives Trump the inside advantage and undercuts the left narrative of swashbuckling. It also lends credit to the natives for arranging for their own destiny with a strategic foreign alliance. Where has that happened in history?
Or...maybe they wanted to undermine him and turn him into a Judas figure..."Who, us? Did we say something?" 😇
You said it better than me.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Maduro didn’t successfully execute an El Chapo Guzman type escape from wherever he ends up, assuming he is convicted and sentenced to a long prison term, which isn’t guaranteed by any means. But if that occurs I personally don’t expect him to stay behind bars for long. We know that just about everyone can be bought, including prison officials and guards. Who knows, there could even be a fake suicide complete with deep fake photos of the deed. There’s lots of options in a corrupt world if you have money and a few competent friends on the outside. Maduro surely would have planned for an event like what occurred(if he is smart), much like Guzman did. Guzman escaped from a Mexican prison through a mile long tunnel that went right to his shower stall. How’s that for an inside/outside plan? The trip wires for such a plan had to have been in place before his capture. I expect nothing less from Maduro, and the fact that he may be in a US prison instead of a Mexican one doesn’t change the calculus one bit in my estimation.
Anyone else tired of all the secrets?
Sounds like you don't buy the Jack Kruse report from society guard of twenty invincible Trumpoid bipeds with EMP weapons against hundreds of Maduro security; a sonic boom like their heads were going to explode / instant nose bleed / didn't stand a chance against futuristic weaponry.
No Venezuelan respects Diosdado Cabello, so that’s not an issue.
Does this maneuvering serve as a distraction for the capture of other Venezuelan resources such as rare minerals? I am asking because I don’t know. This situation is so murky.
Unless they are running psyop because they truly fear him … time will tell and I’m sure if he is a Judas he will be dealt with accordingly… deservedly so, albeit it’s likely he would not have ceded Maduro on his own to the U.S doubtless it was a political decision and one that might even had included Maduro himself.. I guess we will never know … there but for the greater good goes…..the old maxim, perhaps that’s how it played… just saying
Kia Kaha (stay strong) from New Zealand
The Venezuelan oil industry was nationalized over several years. They did it legally. Nothing was stolen. The real steal was when Paul Singer bought $21 billion of Venezuela’s debt for a few million, gave a few million more to Trump’s campaign, and then talked Trump into taking Venezuela, so he could get the whole $21 billion. There’s nothing actually hidden here. Listening to and reading the MSM is not looking for the truth.
Just because Diosdado Cabello and Delcy Rodriquez were in back channel talks with US officials doesn't mean they came to any agreements. Adversaries talk all the time in an attempt to open lines of communication and this often results only in each knowing the other's position which they still oppose....
Retarded