Now in my experience, war propaganda always works until it doesn't. For examples, look to Vietnam, and especially the current Iran debacle.
The covid scare did a great deal of damage to world government's ability to play the, "trust me bro" card. Especially in the US.
And nothing happening in the world right now does anything but heighten that covid period damage. Trump had a war approval rating of about 30% at the start of the war. I think the real number today is around 8%.
They are lying, we know their lying, and we are throughly annoyed. That loss of their invisibility cloak of lies makes governments nervous, and nervous governments are very very dangerous.
It especially works on the dumbed down American sheeple who never experienced any impact of the wars. Not even a tax increase to pay for it. Most do not connect inflation's impact on their expenses with deficit spending on mostly military junk of dubious value.
Watching people fall for war propaganda is like watching a slow train wreck. I am always so shocked that people fall for it now that we are post covid because the propaganda machine has been exposed. But yet, some people still can't see it. I couldn't see it before Covid so I get it but it seems like it should be obvious to all at this point.
If anyone out there is watching FOX news, just know, FOX news is just as much propaganda as CNN or any of the other leftist propaganda dispensaries. They just flavor it for republicans. I used to watch FOX news religiously until I understood the game.
Think of all the prosperity the citizens would have in all nations of the world if the powerful would stop destroying and stealing from them through never ending wars. Endless wars are the tool of enslavement and theft. The Pentagon can't pass an audit...
It's too baked into human nature. Unless Iran has figured it out. Their behavior since being attacked has been amazingly measured, effective, and rational.
Let's not forget, the IRGC uses women as human shields (April threat to energy plants). They use children as human shields - the girls school on their military base - that wasn't to be in our cross hairs. Peaceful protests got ~30,000 of them killed.
'Effective'... 'measured', when they scatter shoot/shot at all their neighbors? Keeping their terrorist factions alive and busy, killing others. Chanting death to America... and Israel is amazingly charming, right?
The US moved our soldiers from bases the Iranians were hitting into civilian hotels, confident the Iranians would refrain from striking the hotels because of their own human shields. Scatter/shot at neighbors? The gulf countries they hit are ruled by elites installed by the west, they host bases from which Iran was attacked. Name one country Iran hit that didn't host US bases that attacked Iran. You cannot. Every country Iran has hit chose sides, the US/Israel side, and actively helped in attacking Iran. Are you just listening to Fox News? If Iran, or anybody, killed our president, his family, and a hundred high federal officials, then followed by killing 4,000 US citizens, mostly civilians, including an egregious double-tap on a school full of girls, plenty of Americans would be in the streets chanting "death to Iran", and justifiably so.
They have the courage of Zelensky... and the brains of Biden.
So scatter shooting all their neighbors, is justified b/c we have bases there?
Funding terrorist groups certainly isn't a threat, right?
Shouting death to America, means they're our friends and they should be trusted? Every agreement has been blown off by the idiots. They keep targeting ships and bases with what little fire power they have left.
Time to finish the IRGC. They are killers of their own citizens in masse. and happy to kill anything that they disagree with. When they can't pay their soldiers, we won't need to bomb them to oblivian.
Drink the kool-aid much? They never attacked our bases when we just had bases there. They attacked them when those bases launched completely unprovoked attacks against them, killing many. Terrorist groups? We are the terrorists. Little firepower left? They seem pretty effective with that little firepower. After all the government and media lies, when they say Iran killed 35,000, now even more, you just swallow that as truth? We'll see where this goes. I'm pulling for the good guys, and it ain't us. If we prevail, we'll continue our murderous ways. We need another hard lesson, although we never seem to learn. We've been the greatest force of death and destruction in the world for decades now. We were once a great example for the world, now reviled, as we should be.
Sounds like the Trump propaganda works just fine as the author suggested yes. But if you Yankees cant even see the difference between a school and a military base - which btw was very far from it and you hit the girls school right in the building - but Israel brag about being able to assasinated certain people through an apartment window - and they can - but you think they missed the school on purpose?? The Epstein regime of baal knew exactly what they were doing and like Trump who expected that Iran would just fall apart from the inside maybe the stories you have heard about Iran was simply not true ! Persians and Iran is a thousand years old civilisation of which USA have been attacking for decades - this time USA was the clear agressor --
They threatened nuke capability, the 1st day of negotiations.
They kill their own.
I'd like to see proof of 300 school girls getting killed. You don't think the IRGC ho's are capable of a pysop that makes the US look like children killers?
The school 'principal' kept the kids in class, where the school was NEXT to the military base. why would he not get them to shelters? He/she probably did, but the MSM laps up psyops like this to divide. Accepting the word of the IRGC, is beyond gullible. They don't hoodwink, they kill... even their own.
They invest billions of YOUR tax dollars to research how to improve the chances of YOU buying their propaganda. This applies to much more than just the war industry.
The world is a stage, everything coming out of “government” is theatre.
I agree that many wars are fruitless, coming from political and profit motivations. I can think of wars like Afghanistan and Vietnam, etc. You also have a great point about using logical fallacies like appeal to emotion to drum up support. However, it sounds like you are saying no war is justified. So, is any war justified in your opinion? Should we have let Hitler conquer France along with many other European countries, which he had done and was on track to take many more, including Britain? We would have had a very different world if that were the case. Should our founding fathers of this country not have engaged in the Revolutionary War? At what point, if ever, in your opinion, does a great atrocity - like millions dying under communist dictators like Hitler, Stalin and Mao - justify fighting back?
Heidi as you said, there are reasons to engage in war...if we had not entered WW11 the world would have been enslaved by the AXIS: Germany, Italy and Japan. If, our founding fathers had not fought for the 13 colonies independence from England, America would not exist. Iran offers a threat, because it is run by untrustworthy fanatics who believe that they will achieve paradise by using nuclear to blow up the world. War is abhorrent. Killing wrong. However, evil must be stopped or the world could be gone.
Even many who see the COVID fiasco for what it was selectively believe the government and MSM about Iran. We've all been brainwashed our entire lives that Israel=good, Muslims=bad. Iran hasn't attacked anybody in 300 years. The US has killed thousands of middle easterners for every single westerner Iran has killed in the last 30 years. Yet they believe Iran is murderous, we're the protectors. Humans are hopelessly gullible. Every US serviceman involved in this war is participating in unprovoked murder, and should get the F out of the military rather than murder Iranians. Yet, few do. At least recruitment is faltering. More see that the military is not used to protect America, our soldiers die to benefit the worst demons one could imagine.
The credulous masses, who are easily manipulated by pathological control freaks who always work their way into positions of government power, are the fundamental problem. Tragically there is no reason to believe that societal flaw will ever change. Tyranny and war are endemic.
God damn Trump for dragging us into Isra-hell's war. And now the Isra-hell sellouts in Congress have given the military R&D keys to them as well, through the latest NDAA passage.
At this point, When Dems will most likely regain the House and/or Senate, I would almost welcome renewed impeachment attempts.
I wish I didn't feel this way, but I do. This is not the Trump I voted for.
“Always” in the no mans land middle … but that’s not the whole bell curve.
And the Prussian school bells system seed oiled that no mans land middle to a much more consistently flabby girth … to enable/facilitate the credulous “sir! Yes sir!” obesity-obeisance.
Deceit beats feet into plowshares or swords or “students” as the gullible Gomerized are trained-“taught” to do.
There is also the conformity factor that hopefully is in the anti-war favor.
According to John Adams’s writings, about 1/3 of Americans were patriots for the Cause, about 1/3 Americans were fence sitters and the 1/3 were loyalists to King George. That matches up somewhat to Solomon Asch’s Conformity Experiment where over 70% are afraid to buck the system and less than 25% are courageous and unafraid to speak up. So, if even half of the fence sitters can gather the courage to speak up, we might have a “fighting” chance to pull out.
The polls show there is less and less support for this stupid war, with the supporters being boomers who probably watch Fox news, leading the mantra. But of course, there is no discussion about Operation Ajax, which explains a lot.
I’m hoping that this is the ignition spark to get people MAD enough to do something about it!
Am enjoying the book, though I have many comments.
One thought that occurred to me was the missing concept of a just war. Is there such a thing? For example, the American Revolution. Many of the concepts John Leake advances live only in the shadow of our victory. And now we visit Nazi Germany. Was our participation warranted or valuable? Having directed the fundraising film for the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, I had the opportunity to interview many survivors. Intimate conversations. And it seemed there were some reasons to battle the evil that had sprouted.
My view is that wars that are not simply the creations of bankers and profiteers may simply be the result of poor pre-war negotiations. Humans are not well-versed in peacemaking, in fact, they have an aversion to peacemaking. I used to start many of my workshops by saying we are not really going to learn peacemaking but rather we were going to learn "how to fight better." The interest level always increased at that moment.
Nothing was done in the wake of WWI to defuse another round of hostilities with Germany, and everything was done to encourage it. We lionize wartime leaders-- I would prefer to see leaders manage things so that we don't have war.
Exactly. That was my point. We do not have leadership trained in peacemaking. While the law schools, like Pepperdine and Harvard, have spawned some stand out figures, for the most part the academic peacemaking discipline is a joke (and worse). The Mennonites have sent forth a few good people, but they are pretty much marginalized.
A few years ago, I attended a conference at my alma mater (Pepperdine Law) that was convened to consider (and perhaps celebrate) the Legacy of the ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution) Revolution.
What a glum crowd it was... the consensus seemed to be that the sky high dreams of bringing peace to the culture had failed. There had been such hope. Such earnest belief that we would turn the corner and an era of peace was soon to break. They recognized this has not happened. Much chagrin.
Oh, yes, the courts had been improved and individuals had been the beneficiaries of our work. There were some great moments of success. But, overall, failure.
Of course, never one to remain silent, I spent the weekend speaking to participants, lawyers, judges, law school professors, mediators, and explained to them the reason for the failure. I reminded them that the beginning of the ADR revolution was the work of very passionate Christians. And then, over the years, Christian concepts were replaced by psychology. The cause of early success had been forfeited and replaced a failed profession. In many cases, my comments were met with initial shock. But, after I explained my view in detail, there was surprise and agreement, to a one.
Of course, I do not hear much from Pepperdine anymore. They are still number one but struggling to achieve the glory they saw under the early leaders. All to your point... we need leaders truly trained and skilled in peacemaking. We do not have that.
There are many examples of just wars, from the viewpoint of one side. When attacked by an aggressor who wants to destroy your country, fighting back is just. Russia after being invaded by Napoleon, and later Hitler's Germany come to mind. Possibly the US after Pearl Harbor, that's more complicated, but seems to fit. Currently, Iran fighting back after their leaders and families were killed in a surprise attack, followed by schoolgirls and around 4,000 others so far, is a good example of a just war from where they stand.
Now in my experience, war propaganda always works until it doesn't. For examples, look to Vietnam, and especially the current Iran debacle.
The covid scare did a great deal of damage to world government's ability to play the, "trust me bro" card. Especially in the US.
And nothing happening in the world right now does anything but heighten that covid period damage. Trump had a war approval rating of about 30% at the start of the war. I think the real number today is around 8%.
They are lying, we know their lying, and we are throughly annoyed. That loss of their invisibility cloak of lies makes governments nervous, and nervous governments are very very dangerous.
It especially works on the dumbed down American sheeple who never experienced any impact of the wars. Not even a tax increase to pay for it. Most do not connect inflation's impact on their expenses with deficit spending on mostly military junk of dubious value.
Watching people fall for war propaganda is like watching a slow train wreck. I am always so shocked that people fall for it now that we are post covid because the propaganda machine has been exposed. But yet, some people still can't see it. I couldn't see it before Covid so I get it but it seems like it should be obvious to all at this point.
If anyone out there is watching FOX news, just know, FOX news is just as much propaganda as CNN or any of the other leftist propaganda dispensaries. They just flavor it for republicans. I used to watch FOX news religiously until I understood the game.
Think of all the prosperity the citizens would have in all nations of the world if the powerful would stop destroying and stealing from them through never ending wars. Endless wars are the tool of enslavement and theft. The Pentagon can't pass an audit...
I welcome thoughtful suggestions that might work to “short circuit” this reflex. Anyone?
Very profound archaic programming, though the prospect of being drafted tends to override it.
LOL
It's too baked into human nature. Unless Iran has figured it out. Their behavior since being attacked has been amazingly measured, effective, and rational.
Let's not forget, the IRGC uses women as human shields (April threat to energy plants). They use children as human shields - the girls school on their military base - that wasn't to be in our cross hairs. Peaceful protests got ~30,000 of them killed.
'Effective'... 'measured', when they scatter shoot/shot at all their neighbors? Keeping their terrorist factions alive and busy, killing others. Chanting death to America... and Israel is amazingly charming, right?
Not amazing.
The US moved our soldiers from bases the Iranians were hitting into civilian hotels, confident the Iranians would refrain from striking the hotels because of their own human shields. Scatter/shot at neighbors? The gulf countries they hit are ruled by elites installed by the west, they host bases from which Iran was attacked. Name one country Iran hit that didn't host US bases that attacked Iran. You cannot. Every country Iran has hit chose sides, the US/Israel side, and actively helped in attacking Iran. Are you just listening to Fox News? If Iran, or anybody, killed our president, his family, and a hundred high federal officials, then followed by killing 4,000 US citizens, mostly civilians, including an egregious double-tap on a school full of girls, plenty of Americans would be in the streets chanting "death to Iran", and justifiably so.
They have the courage of Zelensky... and the brains of Biden.
So scatter shooting all their neighbors, is justified b/c we have bases there?
Funding terrorist groups certainly isn't a threat, right?
Shouting death to America, means they're our friends and they should be trusted? Every agreement has been blown off by the idiots. They keep targeting ships and bases with what little fire power they have left.
Time to finish the IRGC. They are killers of their own citizens in masse. and happy to kill anything that they disagree with. When they can't pay their soldiers, we won't need to bomb them to oblivian.
Drink the kool-aid much? They never attacked our bases when we just had bases there. They attacked them when those bases launched completely unprovoked attacks against them, killing many. Terrorist groups? We are the terrorists. Little firepower left? They seem pretty effective with that little firepower. After all the government and media lies, when they say Iran killed 35,000, now even more, you just swallow that as truth? We'll see where this goes. I'm pulling for the good guys, and it ain't us. If we prevail, we'll continue our murderous ways. We need another hard lesson, although we never seem to learn. We've been the greatest force of death and destruction in the world for decades now. We were once a great example for the world, now reviled, as we should be.
"I'm pulling for the good guys, and it ain't us" hahaha, who's drinking the kool-ade?
Move to Iran.
Sounds like the Trump propaganda works just fine as the author suggested yes. But if you Yankees cant even see the difference between a school and a military base - which btw was very far from it and you hit the girls school right in the building - but Israel brag about being able to assasinated certain people through an apartment window - and they can - but you think they missed the school on purpose?? The Epstein regime of baal knew exactly what they were doing and like Trump who expected that Iran would just fall apart from the inside maybe the stories you have heard about Iran was simply not true ! Persians and Iran is a thousand years old civilisation of which USA have been attacking for decades - this time USA was the clear agressor --
So, the IRGC isn't an 'aggressor'?
They threatened nuke capability, the 1st day of negotiations.
They kill their own.
I'd like to see proof of 300 school girls getting killed. You don't think the IRGC ho's are capable of a pysop that makes the US look like children killers?
The school 'principal' kept the kids in class, where the school was NEXT to the military base. why would he not get them to shelters? He/she probably did, but the MSM laps up psyops like this to divide. Accepting the word of the IRGC, is beyond gullible. They don't hoodwink, they kill... even their own.
They invest billions of YOUR tax dollars to research how to improve the chances of YOU buying their propaganda. This applies to much more than just the war industry.
The world is a stage, everything coming out of “government” is theatre.
I agree that many wars are fruitless, coming from political and profit motivations. I can think of wars like Afghanistan and Vietnam, etc. You also have a great point about using logical fallacies like appeal to emotion to drum up support. However, it sounds like you are saying no war is justified. So, is any war justified in your opinion? Should we have let Hitler conquer France along with many other European countries, which he had done and was on track to take many more, including Britain? We would have had a very different world if that were the case. Should our founding fathers of this country not have engaged in the Revolutionary War? At what point, if ever, in your opinion, does a great atrocity - like millions dying under communist dictators like Hitler, Stalin and Mao - justify fighting back?
Heidi as you said, there are reasons to engage in war...if we had not entered WW11 the world would have been enslaved by the AXIS: Germany, Italy and Japan. If, our founding fathers had not fought for the 13 colonies independence from England, America would not exist. Iran offers a threat, because it is run by untrustworthy fanatics who believe that they will achieve paradise by using nuclear to blow up the world. War is abhorrent. Killing wrong. However, evil must be stopped or the world could be gone.
What you describe in our day and age means humanity ( the west? ) are ignorant, retarded and dont really think very far --
Even many who see the COVID fiasco for what it was selectively believe the government and MSM about Iran. We've all been brainwashed our entire lives that Israel=good, Muslims=bad. Iran hasn't attacked anybody in 300 years. The US has killed thousands of middle easterners for every single westerner Iran has killed in the last 30 years. Yet they believe Iran is murderous, we're the protectors. Humans are hopelessly gullible. Every US serviceman involved in this war is participating in unprovoked murder, and should get the F out of the military rather than murder Iranians. Yet, few do. At least recruitment is faltering. More see that the military is not used to protect America, our soldiers die to benefit the worst demons one could imagine.
Let's see your references on those claims.
How about the American embassy in Iran, circa late 70's. Houthi's, and their other terror org's, attacking Israel in 2023?
Don't forget the terrorist arms they fund
The credulous masses, who are easily manipulated by pathological control freaks who always work their way into positions of government power, are the fundamental problem. Tragically there is no reason to believe that societal flaw will ever change. Tyranny and war are endemic.
Almost Always! So few people have real discernment!
God damn Trump for dragging us into Isra-hell's war. And now the Isra-hell sellouts in Congress have given the military R&D keys to them as well, through the latest NDAA passage.
At this point, When Dems will most likely regain the House and/or Senate, I would almost welcome renewed impeachment attempts.
I wish I didn't feel this way, but I do. This is not the Trump I voted for.
“Always” in the no mans land middle … but that’s not the whole bell curve.
And the Prussian school bells system seed oiled that no mans land middle to a much more consistently flabby girth … to enable/facilitate the credulous “sir! Yes sir!” obesity-obeisance.
Deceit beats feet into plowshares or swords or “students” as the gullible Gomerized are trained-“taught” to do.
There is also the conformity factor that hopefully is in the anti-war favor.
According to John Adams’s writings, about 1/3 of Americans were patriots for the Cause, about 1/3 Americans were fence sitters and the 1/3 were loyalists to King George. That matches up somewhat to Solomon Asch’s Conformity Experiment where over 70% are afraid to buck the system and less than 25% are courageous and unafraid to speak up. So, if even half of the fence sitters can gather the courage to speak up, we might have a “fighting” chance to pull out.
The polls show there is less and less support for this stupid war, with the supporters being boomers who probably watch Fox news, leading the mantra. But of course, there is no discussion about Operation Ajax, which explains a lot.
I’m hoping that this is the ignition spark to get people MAD enough to do something about it!
Not many like wars.
They threatened nukes on day one of the negotiations... per Witkoff.
They have no problem, with killing ~30,000 Iranian citizens.
As we've found out, they lie and don't honor their agreements.
We've also found out, they'll shoot at all neighbors.
Shit we've known for 47 years.
You're lucky to have leadership that will eliminate this direct threat.
Boomers - you mean the one's holding 'end ICE' signs in Minneapolis?
Or the boomers that remember 58,000 dead in Nam?
You don't understand the threat.
Am enjoying the book, though I have many comments.
One thought that occurred to me was the missing concept of a just war. Is there such a thing? For example, the American Revolution. Many of the concepts John Leake advances live only in the shadow of our victory. And now we visit Nazi Germany. Was our participation warranted or valuable? Having directed the fundraising film for the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, I had the opportunity to interview many survivors. Intimate conversations. And it seemed there were some reasons to battle the evil that had sprouted.
My view is that wars that are not simply the creations of bankers and profiteers may simply be the result of poor pre-war negotiations. Humans are not well-versed in peacemaking, in fact, they have an aversion to peacemaking. I used to start many of my workshops by saying we are not really going to learn peacemaking but rather we were going to learn "how to fight better." The interest level always increased at that moment.
Nothing was done in the wake of WWI to defuse another round of hostilities with Germany, and everything was done to encourage it. We lionize wartime leaders-- I would prefer to see leaders manage things so that we don't have war.
Exactly. That was my point. We do not have leadership trained in peacemaking. While the law schools, like Pepperdine and Harvard, have spawned some stand out figures, for the most part the academic peacemaking discipline is a joke (and worse). The Mennonites have sent forth a few good people, but they are pretty much marginalized.
A few years ago, I attended a conference at my alma mater (Pepperdine Law) that was convened to consider (and perhaps celebrate) the Legacy of the ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution) Revolution.
What a glum crowd it was... the consensus seemed to be that the sky high dreams of bringing peace to the culture had failed. There had been such hope. Such earnest belief that we would turn the corner and an era of peace was soon to break. They recognized this has not happened. Much chagrin.
Oh, yes, the courts had been improved and individuals had been the beneficiaries of our work. There were some great moments of success. But, overall, failure.
Of course, never one to remain silent, I spent the weekend speaking to participants, lawyers, judges, law school professors, mediators, and explained to them the reason for the failure. I reminded them that the beginning of the ADR revolution was the work of very passionate Christians. And then, over the years, Christian concepts were replaced by psychology. The cause of early success had been forfeited and replaced a failed profession. In many cases, my comments were met with initial shock. But, after I explained my view in detail, there was surprise and agreement, to a one.
Of course, I do not hear much from Pepperdine anymore. They are still number one but struggling to achieve the glory they saw under the early leaders. All to your point... we need leaders truly trained and skilled in peacemaking. We do not have that.
There are many examples of just wars, from the viewpoint of one side. When attacked by an aggressor who wants to destroy your country, fighting back is just. Russia after being invaded by Napoleon, and later Hitler's Germany come to mind. Possibly the US after Pearl Harbor, that's more complicated, but seems to fit. Currently, Iran fighting back after their leaders and families were killed in a surprise attack, followed by schoolgirls and around 4,000 others so far, is a good example of a just war from where they stand.
What an idiotic post.
You project, ANonnyMouse
I am curious. Specifically what is idiotic and how is it idiotic? Since I don’t see it, I would appreciate understanding your comment.
There is no substance to understand. Understanding the mindset of the commenter is simple enough though. They rely on slurs, it's all they have.