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sifubernie's avatar

tribal conflicts fomented by the british empire. Catholics, Muslims and Jews coexisted and lived peacefully in Palestine before the artificial apartheid and genocidal state of israell was created by the british empire in 1948.

Martha's avatar

The other part that many people don't realize is that Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem were friends during the Nazi era. When Jewish people came and settled in Israel, Muslims hunted and killed them with German rifles. German technical advisors came to teach Arabs how to make car bombs and trained them in Nazi terror tactics. Jews were not allowed to live anywhere in the world and when the United Nations - all the nations of the world - agreed to give the Jews a small portion of "Palestine" the Arabs would not agree. At that time, "Palestine" existed on both sides of the river, and the larger portion, East Palestine became Jordan - that was to have been the homeland for any Arab Muslims who did not want to remain in the smaller territory of West Palestine which became Israel - and many Arabs did remain in Israel, enjoyed citizenship and voting rights - there are many Bedouins who remain as citizens in Israel. No one had to leave but some people engaged in a lot of fear mongering which encouraged Arabs to leave the land that became Israel. It was not the Israeli people who created the lack of peace but Muslims with German rifles who shot Jewish farmer while they worked on their farms and tried to live peacefully.

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During the Nazi era, Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, formed a political alliance based on their mutual opposition to British imperialism and Zionism.

Key Points About Their Relationship:

Shared Antisemitism & Anti-Zionism

The Mufti was a prominent Arab nationalist who opposed Jewish immigration to Palestine under the British Mandate.

Hitler saw him as a useful ally in spreading Nazi propaganda in the Middle East and undermining British influence.

Meeting with Hitler (1941)

The Mufti met Hitler in Berlin on November 28, 1941, seeking Nazi support for Arab independence and the prevention of a Jewish state.

Hitler expressed sympathy but prioritized military campaigns (like the North Africa front) over Arab independence.

albert venezio's avatar

This is very one sided Martha. You missed all the Zionist Terrorist attacks on the Arabs and British!

Martha's avatar

Oh, it is true that the Israelis started defending themselves after receiving some training by a retired British officer, but the Arabs had German weapons and German technical advisors and trainers.

albert venezio's avatar

How about the UK just gives 1/2 of the state you live, including you and your families houses - businesses and farms - and your family has lived in for thousands of years to a 3rd people? What would you do?

Martha's avatar

A lot of the land that was provided for Israel was just plan desert. A lot of it was not being used. They irrigated, they grew vineyards, and the ones who were there could have kept using it. But the reality is, at that time, there was NO ONE on earth who let Jews anywhere, so they should have all been killed? Historically that had been their homeland; it was less land and poorer land than what was given as an Arab homeland which is now Jordan. Either they had to be given some place to live, or they just had to all die and I guess if they all died that would have made a lot of people happy? There was no where in the world that let them live, and that was their historical homeland which all the nations of the world said they should have a piece of, because nobody else would let them live in their countries. The Arabs who lived there were not forced to leave, they could have kept their homes and stayed where they were, like many Bedouins remained and are voting citizens of Israel right now.

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albert venezio's avatar

I have researched and studied this at a deep level for 4 decades. Your spin is ridiculous.

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albert venezio's avatar

Your playing with Truth - Zionist Propaganda. But if it was true it is what your darling Bibi the GENOCIDER IS DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS! SEE HIS ACTIONS, HERE HIS WORDS AND THE INSANE RABBIS SPEECHES!

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

What gave anybody the right to take land from the Palestinians and give it away to influences hostile to their existence?

Martha's avatar

As long as there have been people on earth, there have been wars. In World War I, the Turks at that time controlled the land that is now called Israel. It was not owned by any so-called Palestinians, it was owned by Turkey (owned by the "Ottoman Empire," or as some sources say, by the Ottoman Turks). And since Turkey had thrown in with the losing side in World War I (the Ottoman Turks fought on the side of Germany who lost World War I), the convention is something like "to the victors go the spoils." It may not be a fair system, but it's how things have been done for thousands of years. Turkey fought on the losing side, and they had to pay a penalty of giving up their territory to the winning team, and the winning team, when it carved things up, promised the Jewish people they could have a small scrap of desert which eventually became Israel, again, because they had it in the first place. An online history source says: "the Ottoman Empire, which controlled Palestine, fell after World War I. The Ottomans had aligned with the Germans, so when Germany fell, they also followed suit. The British then took control of Palestine and paved the way for the creation of Israel. Britain issued the Balfour Declaration, a statement that sought to establish Israel’s independence." and -

"This move upset the Arabs who were living in Palestine at the time. Once the declaration was published in the newspapers, the British military attacked Gaza and Jaffa. The Arabs there suffered heavy losses and surrendered Jerusalem in the same year. Meanwhile, Jews welcomed the publication with joyous celebrations."

However, it would be much better to go back to the beginning - who was there in Israel before the Muslims came in and made war to conquer that land? The Jews were there first and the Muslims came and took it in the first place. Because this is already long I will write a separate post and copy what Google Gemini AI says.

Martha's avatar

I have a question. I have read that when Mohammed started the Muslim religion, that during the period 400-700 or so, that Islam was spread by military conquest. I also understood that part of the reason, not the only reason, but part of the reason for the Crusades was that the Muslims who had settled in the land of Israel were making it difficult for Christians to access Christian holy places, and that the Muslims were making Christians and Jews pay special taxes to be able to keep their own religion instead converting to Islam. But during the early years of Islam, there were Jews living in Israel and they didn't get scattered all over till somewhat later - does this fit with what you have learned? This was my question to Google Gemini AI (Gemini Pro) which says as follows:

Yes, your understanding aligns with what historians have learned about this period. Let's break down each of your points to provide more detail.

The Spread of Islam by Military Conquest

You are correct that during the early centuries of Islam, particularly from the 7th century onwards, the religion spread rapidly through military conquest. This expansion began under the Rashidun Caliphate (the first four successors to the Prophet Muhammad) and continued under the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties.

Conquest of the Levant: The region of the Levant, which includes modern-day Israel/Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan, was conquered by Arab Muslim armies in the 7th century, wresting control from the Byzantine Empire.

Rapid Expansion: Within a few decades, the Islamic empire expanded from the Arabian Peninsula to encompass a vast territory, from Spain in the west to Central Asia in the east.

Motivation: The motivations for these conquests were complex, including both religious and political factors. While military conquest was a primary method of territorial expansion, it's important to note that the immediate adoption of Islam by the conquered populations was not a universal or immediate outcome.

Reasons for the Crusades

Your understanding of the Crusades is also accurate. The Crusades were a series of military campaigns launched by Western European Christians, beginning in the late 11th century.

Access to Holy Places: A key motivation for the Crusades was to regain control of the Holy Land, especially Jerusalem, and to ensure Christian pilgrims could access holy sites without harassment. While Muslim rulers often permitted Christian pilgrimage, there were periods of instability and restrictions that fueled resentment in Europe.

Muslim Control: The expansion of the Seljuk Turks in the 11th century, who were a new force in the region, contributed to a sense of urgency in the West.

Political and Religious Factors: The Crusades were also driven by a mix of political ambition, economic opportunity, and religious fervor... Special Taxes (Jizya) and Jewish Population

Your points about the special taxes and the Jewish population are also consistent with historical records.

Jizya and Dhimmi Status: Under Islamic rule, non-Muslims were often given a protected status known as dhimmi ("protected person"). In exchange for this protection and the right to practice their own religion, they were required to pay a special per capita tax called the jizya.

Exemption from Military Service: A key aspect of the jizya was that it exempted non-Muslims from military service, which was a duty for Muslim men.

Restrictions: While dhimmis had a degree of religious autonomy, they were subject to certain restrictions, which varied over time and place. These restrictions could include limitations on building new places of worship, public display of religious symbols, and sometimes social and symbolic distinctions meant to emphasize the superiority of Muslim rule.

Jewish Population in Israel: When the Arab Muslims conquered the Levant in the 7th century, there was a Jewish population living there. While some scholars debate the exact numbers, it is clear that Jewish communities existed in the land of Israel during this time. The Jewish population had not yet been "scattered all over" in a large-scale diaspora. The Jewish community in the land of Israel continued to exist and function under early Islamic rule, albeit with the status and obligations of dhimmis.

In summary, your understanding of these historical events is well-supported by historical sources. The early spread of Islam was indeed marked by military conquest, the Crusades were a response to a variety of factors including the control of Christian holy sites, and non-Muslims, including Jews, were granted a protected status but were required to pay a special tax to maintain their religious freedom. [End of Google Gemini comments] [Me: so, the Jews were there first, Muslims took it over by military conquest, and then made it into a hostile place where the Jews didn't have full freedom of religion. After 6 million Jews were killed by Hitler, a small percentage of them were given their land back. Anything else is revisionist. Like, saying the Muslims where there way before the Jews and the Jews never lived there, that would be revisionist.]

Martha's avatar

But then going back to period after World War II - this is from this website https://timelessmyths.com/stories/what-was-israel-before-1948/ which indicates that Muslims were attacking Jews such as the Jewish farming village Tel Hai which the Muslims burned to the ground. Everything below is quoted from the page that was at the above address.

The Arab-Jewish Conflicts

Many Jews settled in the Jezreel Valley, which was a marshy area. The Jews from Russia were excellent agriculturalists, so they put their skills to good use. The Jews also purchased lands and formed an armed group called Haganah in 1920 to defend them.

The Palestinian Arabs who were unhappy with the Jewish settlements began fighting them. The 1920 Battle of Tel Hai was one such conflict, where the Arabs attacked a Jewish farming village called Tel Hai and burned it to the ground. This caused rising tensions between the Jews and Arabs, which resulted in the 1920 Jerusalem riots.

The riots took place when the Arabs were celebrating their Nebi Musa festival. During the riots, they attacked the Jewish settlements and destroyed them. The following year, what started as a conflict between Jewish groups ended in a war between Jews and Arabs in Jaffa. However, all these hostilities did not deter the Jews, as about 80,000 of them still migrated to Palestine.

Stop Chemtrails Michigan's avatar

Talk about revisionist history! Laughable

Martha's avatar

How old were you during World War II, that you are certain about who revised what?

Jason's avatar

You really really need to watch the first four hours of Europa the final battle. If you do keep in mind that some esteemed historians from the UK who I know personally were tasked with bedding the documentary prior to its release, they shared their findings with me and said it was 99.7% accurate.

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You know there is something called “documented history,” right? Do you know what a map is? Have you heard of post offices? Do you know what the Nakba was? I’ll tell you. It was thievery, murder, and terrorism that defines Zionism then and to this day.

Yang Ming Mountain's avatar

@sifubernie Your claim about the state of Israel is a FAKE NARRATIVE. Real history and authentic personal accounts in the holy land right before and after the founding of the nation of Israel are exactly the opposite to your fake history.

Israel has not been perfect, but she has the right to establish herself in Palestine. But garbage minds like yourself deny Israel’s right of existence and defending herself. Since you know nothing except for the Communist propaganda, you can only rely on your dirty fake lies and evil agenda promoted by Communist China and global cultural Marxists.

What else is new?

Penny Lynn Michalko's avatar

You don't know history or the Bible.

SFVC's avatar

What’s up with the gaslighting? “Peaceful coexistence “ before 1948? Who do you think you’re kidding? Multiple massacres of Jews in the Holy Land BEFORE WW2, and who led them? The Grand Mufti Husseini , who also founded the PA, formerly the PLO, ejile he wasnt busy malking deals with Hitler to support the Nazis, organize Muslim military units for the Third Reich (interesting how some people remember Ukrainian collaboration with Nazis , but conveniently forget all about the much CLOSER Palestinian Arab alliance with Hitler.) Husseini urged Hitler to not let Jews resettle in the Holy Land. So apparently he was ALL IN with the Holocaust. So much for “peaceful coexistence.”

Joewrite's avatar

I think the US has a major amount of an anti-semitic people. Perhaps these fools will welcome the moslem hordes. The problem is the amount of beheading of our people: the gays, transvestites, transgenders, confused genders, white liberal women, weak liberal men, and more.

Of course, I don't know what you are or where you are, but you seem to hate the US and western countries. Please feel free to go live in Palestine or any Moslem country. Send back word of how well you're doing.

sifubernie's avatar

Sounds like you are a scared soul who knows the world through television. Tell us about your travels and what you have learned along the way (cruises and all inclusive destinations do not qualify as travel).

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albert venezio's avatar

Mossad Bot? Or Christian Zionist Stooge?

Guest's avatar

Wow, you are ignorant and morally challenged in the same breath.

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Guest's avatar

You aren’t in possession of “facts” my dear. The genocide of the Palestinians is among the most reprehensible acts of human history. People who abide what is happening to them are disgusting.

Joewrite's avatar

With the money that has been given to Palestine over many years under successive governments, they should have better living standards. This is the fault of their governments and the focus to use these people to destroy Israel.

How do you deal with people educated to hate you? How do you deal with constant violence against the democratic nation of Israel?

J Guti's avatar

The modern state of Israel was created by a banking family named Rothschild. The Turkic Khazars are not from the region.

Joewrite's avatar

What do you know of the Khazars? From the northern Caucasus mountains, they were caught between the Christians and the Moslems hordes, they chose to accept the religion of judaism. Today, they comprise eastern jewry but are not from any of the Israelite tribes.

J Guti's avatar

They (Khazars) make up roughly 80% of modern jewry and are known as the 13th tribe.

Joewrite's avatar

The actual Israelite 13 tribes are comprised of the bible 11 tribes. Israel took Joseph's sons as his own, that is Ephraim and Manasseh. These are the ethic, actual 13 tribes.

So just where are all these Israelite tribes? There were 10 lost tribes, which actually meant they no longer were following their diety. But for most of the world they appear all to be lost. They don't identify themselves as Israelites anymore.

They are not lost, the Most High El knows where they are.

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J Guti's avatar

They control the central bank in the USA (FED), in England (BOE) and Europe (BIS). They also control the nation of Israel… they should have just named it Rothschild-land to avoid any confusion.

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J Guti's avatar

You have not provided anything other than nonsense 🤣 🤣 🤣 .

CB's avatar

I see there are no references cited in your linked thejc.com article. Would you accept an unreferenced opinion article in The Islamic Chronicle as evidence on Judaism, Israel, or the Rothchilds?

Johnny Boggs's avatar

You are sorely misled or complicit. Either way, pretty sad.

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Jason's avatar

Why? Because they were asked to leave and without their presence, ingenuity and intellect these countries resort back to their primitive incoherent state!

although some of the more wealthy people in India, and those who possess a triple digit IQ tried to cling onto everything that was British because it makes them feel better than the hundreds of millions of poverty, stricken, incapable, destitute, parasitical dependence that poop on the streets. Yes that’s right. They have designated pooping streets and it’s a cast system where if you think you’re better than someone else you go and poop on their street because you believe that they have to clean your poop and that makes you better than them however no one ever cleans it, ever!

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

Sounds like California or indeed pretty much any big city in the West.

Tamenund's avatar

And in Ireland.

Jackie King's avatar

I I wish politicians and analysts knew how to pick up a shovel, remove millions of tons of earth, lay steel, pour cement design bunkers or read lidar scans to name a few of the skills and years needed to create or detect multi-floors of facilities that house launching pads of nuclear weaponry semi-unseen from the surface. Netanyahu did not cry wolf. He knows a day is as a thousand years. Politicians waited until the evil segment of Iran and its allies actually began their onslaught. Israel tried to save the thousands of lives taken by the press of an Iranian button. Politicians enabled Iran.

SaHiB's avatar

Resume taking your meds!

Martha's avatar

I don't why so many feel compelled to frame this as something Trump did to satisfy Netinyahu, as it was certainly in U.S. interests to do what was done, and certainly in the interests of the world not to have Iran have nukes. For 40 years, school children in Iran have been made to scream "Death to America" at the start of the school day, the way our students used to always start their day with the pledge to the flag (and this from the book "Not Without My Daughter" by Betty Mahmoody, who was married to an Iranian physician, who was essentially kept under house arrest while the young daughter was forced to go to Iranian school and chant "Death to America" every day). Since they said that for 40 yrs, we have reason to believe if they did finally get a nuke - and the Chinese were clearly helping them - they would not hesitate to use it on us. This is what Jon Rappoport wrote in his substack on June 19 about why this was certainly in OUR interests: Open Letter to President Trump: How you can reframe Iran and win back MAGA support

Jon Rappoport, Jun 19; Here’s a vital question: when months ago you said you might have to send troops down into Mexico to destroy the drug cartels, did people like Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon scream at you, for dragging the US into a foreign war? NO.

Why not?

Because they saw the simple truth. You were defending America against a direct threat, against the cartels and their drugs, their human trafficking, their crimes against the people of this country.

Well, Iran is very much like the drug cartels, although Americans don’t know it.

You can make them know it.

Here’s an outline of your speech to the nation. As you tell the TRUTH.

1: Iran funds and backs the terror organization, Hezbollah.

2: Hezbollah is very active in South America, working hand in glove with the outlaw President Maduro of Venezuela to ship gigantic amounts of drugs into the US.

3: DEA indictments and records, think-tank and NGO reports, and other documents provide a mountain of evidence of this Hezbollah-Maduro operation.

4: Hezbollah agents have been captured on American soil, planning to set off bombs, surveilling and hacking infrastructure, carrying out espionage. Your FBI has the names and charges and prison sentences. Basel Bassel Ebbadi, Ali Kourani, Alexei Saab, etc.

5: Hezbollah has been using vicious Venezuelan gangsters inside America to help run the drug operation.

6: Hezbollah is creature of Iran. Iran is using this terrorist organization to make huge profits and attack America.

7: There is evidence that other terror groups backed by Iran (Qods Force, Hamas, PIJ) are involved in arms trafficking and destabilizing operations against America.

Iran has been directly attacking America.

You can make this case because it’s true.

Your MAGA base supported you when you said a military operation against the Mexican cartels could be necessary.

A US operation against the Iran government/military, intelligence services ranks on the same level.

Convincing the MAGA base of that would be your job.

And you would at least have a puncher’s chance.

Many of us recall the 1960s, when this country went way off the rails, when DO YOUR OWN THING became “the new Constitution,” and people decided drugs were a ticket to freedom. Those who didn’t kill themselves now know that drugs are self-destruction and a ticket to Nowhere.

Iran and its drug-trafficking terror groups are banking on the premise that this country can never regain its moral compass.

Your job would be to prove them wrong.

It’s a tall mountain to climb, but you’ve said, over and over again, that you can win Herculean struggles.

Try this one.

You’ll be surprised at how many people back you up.

Even if MAGA people won’t support a military operation against Iran, at least they’ll understand Iran IS America’s enemy, not just Israel’s enemy.

-- Jon Rappoport

svartberg's avatar

I dont belive all the teather is over.. Bibi want a weak Iran so he can create his greater Israel.

Penny Lynn Michalko's avatar

No, he wants to protect his people just as we would if we were dealing with bloodthirsty terrorists!

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svartberg's avatar

Time will tell. I have no trust in a man that has screamed about nuclear weapon in Iran since 1992.

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SaHiB's avatar

Get psych meds and therapy. You need them!

albert venezio's avatar

Bibi is a Racist Psychotic Genocidal Jewish Supremacist by his actions and HIS OWN WORDS!

Peter Daniel Miller's avatar

When someone says repeatedly he will end your national existence and murder all the inhabitants of your land (and of other lands as well), survival-instinct counsels you to believe him.

Penny Lynn Michalko's avatar

This post makes me sad because as a Christian we should unequivocally be on Israel’s side and trust in God, not man!

Murray J Allatt's avatar

The deal with ‘the boy that cried wolf’ is that the wolf eventually turned up and ate the sheep. Netanyahu and Trump have ensured the wolf is defanged for some time to come and the sheep are safe ( safer).

Patty Canter's avatar

We forget that Israel has been under attack with missiles flying at them over and over again for years by proxies of Iran. It is not actually about a nuclear bomb, it is about missiles flying at this country unwarranted. If Cuba was shooting missiles at Florida constantly, we'd wonder why the US didn't stop it. Enough is enough. Please see these two links for an excellent assessment of this latest Iran, Israel, US situation. Each are only 10 minutes long but a better evaluation than you will ever get from FOX news or any other mainstream media. Frank Gaffney was Reagan's National Security Advisor and John Guandolo has been honored by the US Congress for his anti-terrorism work.

Part 2

Frank Gaffney is joined by John Guandolo Pt. 2 - Real America's Voice News

Part 1

Frank Gaffney is joined by John Guandolo Pt. 1 - Real America's Voice News

SFVC's avatar

Why are you trying to gaslight your readers? Comparing Israeli leftists upset they keep losing elections to an extremely popular conservative party leader as somehow analogous to Iranians repressed by the mullahs who handpick all candidates for political office is specious as well as mendacious. It’s all the rage now in the American left to portray Netanyahu as some sort of monstrous, tyrannical dictator, but it’s just as risible and contemptible as the depictions of President Trump., and done for the same pathetic reasons. It just reflects the fact that to the Democrat/Left, the Washington Post adage that “Democracy Dies In The Darkness” isn’t a warning cry or just some slogan; it’s their mission statement, their pledge to ensure that it does, indeed, happen.

Howard Swanson's avatar

Iran's terror islamist suppression of the Iranian people has terrorized Iran as well the middle east. They were still making 300 ballistics a month which Israel could not tolerate long term The Threat to destroy Israel, both Jews and Arabs, was real. Israel has done amazing taking out Hezbola and now Hamas. Discounting the threat to Israels existence is beneath your usual clear thinking.

I recommend adding Tousi TV from you tube to your information. Tousi and his mom escaped Iran in 79 and are now British Citizens. His international news has more than a millian paid followers with now a clear view from inside Iran.

Thx for reading. Howard Swanson MD

Jason's avatar

Netanyahu is one of the most evil war criminals in the history of human existence, he will cheat, lie, steal, and murder his way to maintaining power, but more importantly, destroying all other groups, he will not hesitate to bring everyone else around him down.

Penny Lynn Michalko's avatar

I almost unsubscribed because of this email, but out of respect for Dr. Peter McCullough, I didn't.

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I often see that the fact that Israeli PM Netanyahu has 'cried wolf' over the years regarding how close Iran is to a nuclear weapon is proof that he is making this up for some mysterious reason - perhaps to retain power or something. Obviously, someone saying that Iran is 'close' over and over is not proof that they aren't close now (or in this case a week ago). By itself it is not proof of anything.

What so many are failing to report is that Israel & the US have been covertly degrading the Iranian program over the years, thus setting the program back but not shutting it down:

1. Stuxnet - 2006-10 - a worm introduced into the Iranian Siemens Step7 software controlling the centrifuges.

2. Flame - 2012 or so - also malware inserted into Iranian software.

3. Duqu, Stars, Next Gen Stuxnet, Natanz cyberattack of 2021, etc - all efforts to slow down the Iranian march to nuclear capability.

4. Assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists - Massoud Mohammadi - 2010; Majid Shahriaari - 2010; F Davani - 2010; M Roshan - 2012; Mohsen Fakhrizadeh - 2020; Equipment sabotage - Natanz explosion - 2006; insulation units sabotaged - 2007; vacuum pumps, Siemens controllers - also sabotaged over the years;

5. Archive raid - Mossad found and removed the Iranian nuclear archives in 2018;

6. Mole at Natanz - Dutch plant likely hired by CIA or Israel 2009;

Likely others not mentioned here. Clearly there has been an ongoing effort to set the program back which it has off and on for years.

Conclusion - both the US and Israel have worked, often in partnership to slow and set-back the Iranian weaponization of uranium program for a very long time.

There can be disagreement as to whether or not Iran was close or not at this time, but who expends such efforts over the years to slow or delay the push to weaponization unless the threat is real and known to both countries?

The argument that Netanyahu made this up for some reason doesn't hold heavy water.

John Leake's avatar

This sounds plausible, but it raises the question: If US and Israel kept successfully setting back the program through clandestine means, why did B.N. keep claiming the bomb was imminent? Did he feel these proclamations were necessary to justify the clandestine operations in the eyes of politicians who may have been privy to these operations?

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I understood the Iranians were quite close to having nukes more than a decade ago, and there were articles about how could they could they be stopped and who would do it, and then that was either the time that Iran was stopped by the malware, or the worm, or maybe both. That has been a while now, and I follow closely a number of issues, but the ins and outs of the Middle East are not primary issues for me that I follow and track every little thing. But. I do remember reading articles that would speculate - who on earth had the technology to and the capability of stopping Iran's nuclear aspirations whether by worms or malware - could Germany have done it? Would they have done it? Was it the US? Nobody "announced" and took credit for stopping Iran, but it became known that due to malware and due to computer worms at a couple of different times, that the nuclear program had been substantially curtailed, and it seemed to be accepted that it was Israel who had one this in a very clever way, infecting Iranian computers in a way that had been hard to detect initially so that it spread among the scientists' computers and caused damage. I thought it was brilliant at the time - the nukes were at least temporarily stopped without at that time having to kill anyone or bomb massively, but it was quite effective and a very good idea. If Iran does get close to having nukes, which could happen again, if we can cause a stumble as the near the finish line - good. So, I think it is quite likely that Iran has repeatedly gotten quite close and it's a very good thing that each time, they have been stopped. The problem is, the governments that have had the nukes the longest, have shown restraint over many decades and have agreed with the theory of "mutually assured destruction," we don't use our nukes because one of our peers would nuke us, and we have an idea of how horribly dangerous these weapons are. But we see with other nations, there are those who like to blow things up and see the fireworks, and if a lot of people die, oh well, those who serve Allah will be in heaven with all the virgins and it all ends well for the right people. It does seem that there are some governments that talk as if they could quite casually and readily use nukes as just another weapon with little concern on the effects on everyone else in the entire world. So there are, correctly, some who don't want certain nations to get their hands on nukes. If it's necessary to do something any time they get close to the finish line - then, it must be done. I think they probably have been quite close several times. This time, we've spent 15 years developing the precise tool to stop the problem for perhaps a substantial period of time, but not necessarily forever.

Danny Huckabee's avatar

The more things change, the more they stay the same. This old French saying applies to the Middle East. I hope the bombings and assasinations of the gangster leadership in Iran put off any further need for U.S. incursions in that historic and chaotic part of the world. We have many maoe important problems to solve.

Guest's avatar

The U.S. government isn’t an “arbiter.” The “conflicts” of the Middle East are stoked and perpetuated by the U.S. government.

What would Madison think of the U.S. wars on the people of Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc. etc. while also causing a genocide of Palestinians. “Arbiter” my ass.

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Maybe BiBi was saying this over and over perhaps because it was true. No one not even the nuclear watche dogs had the complete story. If this wasn’t a threat then tell me why the US had a private organization watching the Iranians ever move in building that reactor over the last 15 long years as was told to the public in the military after action press conference. This was because the threat at was real. Why did we spend 15 years testing these bombs if there wasn’t a real threat. Netanyahu had limited information but he knew the psychopaths living in Iran wanted to wipe his people off the map. Without those 15 years of preparations were would we be today? Stop second guessing people who had everything to lose of they were wrong.